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Could Patroclus be found innocent by law in a court today?

I'm taking a course in politics and lit and the Iliad came up as a topic. That alone is a trip back to high school.

Anyway, looking for some backup in our next discussion. Any thoughts?

>> No.2204007

if he had the money, sure

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>>2204007

>> No.2204023

Wouldn't Achilles be on trial as his commanding officer?

>> No.2204027

Which law set are you using? By country?

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1. For killing Clysonymus?
2. For killing Las? or
3. Impersonating Achilles and war crimes?

Wiki on the war crime:
>Patroclus killed many Trojans and allies including the Lycian hero Sarpedon (a son of Zeus)
If Zeus cared about this son, that would be the nail in his coffin. Justice in this world is like anything else, a concept up for sale.

>> No.2204036

>>2204030

With the focus of impersonating Achilles and war crimes, are there any laws that could justify him?
Keeping in mind he was given permission by Achilles to wear his armor and such?

And if he were on trial today without the aspect of the gods in the Iliad?

>> No.2204053

If a soldier is soon being promoted to a higher rank, given permission by his commanding officer he is permitted to wear the badge of the next position.

By U.S. court martial law I believe.

Possibly helpful?

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>>2204036
Yes Achilles might be brought up on charges, but he might not. "Zeus" could be anyone in our contemporary world with huge amounts of power, but like Zeus, what are his moods towards this son, friendly fire, or Achilles?
Also military tribunals could sweep this all away from the public, or even nowadays, he could just be held in a cell without trial.

>> No.2204094

>>2204068

Would you know of any laws were there to be a trial that would support Patroclus? My only thought is that permission was given and Achilles should be held responsible.
I can think of many emotional and moral ideas to back him up, like protecting his fellow soldiers and sacrificing himself for his country. Patriotic things as such.
But I'm lacking the law side of an argument.

>> No.2204111

>>2204094
As would I. I don't study law. I do know there is a defense, and no matter how well its given, it could all be for nothing if the powers that be finagle things to their will.

>> No.2204130

>>2204111

Darn. Well, thanks for the input. Another mind is always helpful.
Perhaps the emotional side of the argument will be convincing enough for the discussion.

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