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What makes them so weird, so brilliant, so conscientious and so absolutely brutal?

Every Japanese author I've read has fucked with my head. Why are they so sadistic when the mask comes off and they get the chance?

>> No.22034162

>>22034056
Because all Asians are savage and brutal creatures. Look at the way they treat animals and their own children. They're a race of complete sociopaths. The only redeeming Asian race are the Filipino people, and that solely because their savage blood has been diluted and mixed with much more civilised races.

>> No.22034199

>>22034162
nigga youre talking about Fil-Ams, mainland Filipinos act Asian as fuck

>> No.22034207

>>22034056
because they are mushrikeen

>> No.22034243

>>22034056
most autistic least fat pacific islanders pretending to be chinks and or westerners

>> No.22034292

>>22034162
>sociopaths
Do sociopaths have the capacity to create beautiful art though?

>> No.22034296

>>22034056
>Every Japanese author I've read has fucked with my head
Maybe you’re just a mentally weak loser who happens to be a weeb?

>> No.22034548

>>22034292
100%. In fact, some the best writers and artists are unhinged and unable to empathise with others without fetishising it for their art. Picasso, for example. I'd argue such detachtment from others' emotions makes a better artist, as they're able to recognise the emotion without being too attached.

>> No.22034554

>>22034548
Kino. Guess that helps explain rumors of Miyazaki being an asshole.

>> No.22034831

Japanese culture is far more reserved and traditional than it would appear through the many examples of what non-traditionalism would like like, which are there to be provocative to stand out amidst conformity and normality. In addition, there are histories of war and conflict, imperialism and militarism, spiritism, Buddhism and its emphasis on non-attachment and not associating with the mind, so we have these mixed messages that are about being serious and not serious, repressed and not oppressed, not rocking the boat and rocking the boat. What is creative freedom, freedom of expression. What matters when everything does and does not matter, is and is not important. Do elaborate systems of rules and politeness matter, or do they make you a submissive cuck, so that going against the rules is the more authentic expression. China would do well to learn to not take itself so seriously.

>> No.22034866

Hara-kiri is some serious shit

>> No.22034890

Reminder that the postwar Japanese modernist authors were all (and continue to) aping literary movements from other nations in an effort to be taken serious as academics and literary figures. The Japanese navelgazing movement is a direct result of aping (bad) translations of Dostoevsky et al, Russia being the closest direct source of 'Western' literary material.

>> No.22034935

>>22034199
filipinos are barely humans thanks to Catholicism and Spain aka European values not your mutt chamber

>> No.22034959
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>>22034162
filipinos make the best street food too

>> No.22035069

>>22034959

Well... at least he washes it

>> No.22035070

Japanese art feels special because they're an incredible schyzo country. They had 4 coup attempts during the 30's because the army though that imperial Japan wasn't right wing enough (obviously the common element was that the people pushing it had to be the ones in control, but they all tried to give it an ideological twist). A couple decades before that they had a traditionalist conservative movement that mocked city people for being faggy wanna be westerners that showered and didn't have gay sex. A couple decades before that, late 1800's, they implemented an european aristocratic system (almost a hundred years after the french revolution, at a point when even most of europe and the american continent had some sort of liberal constitutional democracy). At that time they liberated slaves from an US ship, because slavery is immoral, and when questioned about their slave prostitutes they said it was different because those were cows. They adopted christianity to be like the west so they burned thei budhist temples, but they had those because they took the chinese religion to limit the power of the shinto based emperor, but shinto is the government version of the indigenous religion that they stole to claim ownership of their land mixing it with stuff that they erased from history so even they don't have a clear picture of their own original religion.

All their advancements were tied to bigger countries invading them and bizarre power struggles for a landmass smaller than Zimbabwe or Paraguay or Sweden. Anything the country was developing by itslef was tossed aside for the new fad over and over again for a millenia, so most people not interested in the studying the rest of the world assume that countries work with huge unjustified changes that just happen with no explanation.

The end result is authors who either desperate cling the the latest fad as if deserves their life's work since it lasted as long as some of their shogunates, or jump from idea to idea inside a single piece like a schizo with adhd which is pretty much the national spirit.

>> No.22035551

>>22034890
Kenzaburo Oe was reading French literature in French and reading Yeats and Blake, which you have never read.

>> No.22035566
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>>22034056
Well, in Mishima's case, the most central and foundational part of his life, from which everything else flowed, was that he was a giant attention-whoring faggot queen.

This is not to be confused with his homosexuality; his homosexuality is incidental rather than constitutive, but nonetheless derived from the fact that he was a giant attention-whoring faggot queen, namely via the fact that women are not capable of the boundless adoration and worship that men are, necessitating that Mishima become a homosexual to satisfy his giant attention-whoring faggot queen impulses by being adored and worshipped by those most capable of it, i.e. men.

The same fundamental explanation goes for his books, with all their boring bourgeois pseudo-transgression, expertly tip-toeing the exact line between a harmless eccentricity vis-a-vis social norms, attracting large crowds on account of its peculiarity and shocking nature to pearl-clutching normies, but never once crossing the line into real transgression, something that would alienate the normie crowds in his book. Oh wow, the character killed a cat and seems indifferent, very transgressive, such symbol.

However, this not being enough to satisfy his giant attention-whoring faggot queen impulses, he established the perfect situation for himself with his poorly attempted coup: either he would succeed and be the primary instigator of a return to imperial Japan, or he would fail and spectacularly kill himself. Both options would secure him a place in the history books, satisfying his giant attention-whoring faggot queen impulses. It could not fail, or so Mishima thought.

In a pure show of ironic force crafted by the hand of God himself, his feeble 5'1 body was not capable of producing enough volume in his voice, in the speech to instigate the coup, for the soldiers below the balcony to hear him - it cannot be stressed enough what a fundamental and metaphysical failure this was for the faggot queen who craved nothing but attention. One can only speculate, but it is possible that this alone was enough for his seppuku to be motivated by more than attention-whoring, that he felt, for once, actual shame. Even further getting blown the fuck out by God, his backup plan, that would honorably remove him from this world in a faggy-aesthetic way, failed - his secondary, who was to decapitate him after he had disemboweled himself, was too weak to do so, and tried three times to separate head from body, failing each time.

In short: he did it to satisfy his narcissist, faggot queen urges; what he attained instead was becoming a joke so sophisticated and perfect that it must have come about by divine intervention.

Now I am sure this post will ruffle a lot of feathers by people who squat as much as Mishima (pic related, 20 pounds), but know that I do not care unless you make a compelling counterargument, and autistic crying and screeching about your juvenile idol isn't it.

>> No.22035600

>>22034056
As someone who is half jap I can tell you we're incredibly austistic shut-ins who's values have been molded by neo-Confucianism (family, authority, tradition) for centuries. We're often afraid to interact with the world, making us insular and nationalistic. Repression is a core Japanese value so when the mask does come off all that potential energy is released in a violent outburst. For better or for worse.

>> No.22035706

>>22034162
Every filipino male I have met or heard of has been at least a little bit gay, effeminate, or totally dominated by the women in his life.

>> No.22036144

>>22035070
t. watched a couple YouTube vids and read some Wikipedia articles.
You're a retard. Do you think this is accurate just because it's funny and memeable?

>> No.22036150

>>22034162
>The only redeeming Asian race are the Filipino people
Ok Pedro

>> No.22036156

>>22035551
>Kenzaburo Oe
literally who

>> No.22036171

>>22034959
>poor people doing poor person shit.
Imagine how you Americunts would feel if the world represented your country as a bunch of fentanyl addicts choking to death on the street?

>> No.22036175

>>22035600
The ultimate chud race. Hello from your hapa Korean twin

>> No.22036189

>>22036144
>Do you think this is accurate just because it's funny and memeable?
Do you think people post here to be accurate or to be funny and memeable?

>> No.22036227

>>22035566
TL
DR
miSHITma is for midwits

>> No.22036502

>>22036171
found the filipino

>> No.22036530
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>>22034162
We Asian love and cherish animals and children just as much if not more than we can be cruel to them. It is nature's way and man's way. We don't set ourselves apart from nature unlike the spiritually sterilized yt.

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>>22036171
Well
at least it'd be accurate. This place has gotten pretty bad.

>> No.22036643

>>22034162
I love it when white people call other people savages. When they call other races uncivil or barabaric its of course delusional moronic nonsense that deserves to be criticized. But if someone were to entertain that evil delusion of races being barabaric, than white people are on the top of the list by far

>> No.22036661

>>22036643
I think for many the measure of barbarism is not the lack of violence but the degree to which violence is regulated and done in an organized manner.

>> No.22036670

>>22036661
Cool than they're still near the top, history has shown how terrible all white or mostly white organized violence can cause for others. Of course white is really vague but people get the gist of what I mean

>> No.22036688

>>22036670
I don't know. I feel like other cultures were just so far behind technologically that they never got the opportunity to do things on the scale that europeans did.

>> No.22036729

>>22036688
I disagree, the technology being greater than others definitely made them more prone to do more violence, but most white cultures have done more violence compared to others even without guns. Also just look at modern day and notice which countries are causing the most harm to see what I mean

>> No.22036851

>>22034056
>what two centuries of civil war does to a mfer

>> No.22036953

>>22034056
because of their history.

>> No.22036961

>>22036643
Lol you’re a child. Read about the brutality in Chinese and Japanese history then get back to me. They’ve done things that would make you shudder. Fact is all people are brutal and nature is naturally very brutal. Look at all these animals eat each other alive around us.

>> No.22036992

>>22036961
Very true was just entertaining the thought to mess with white supremacist. Every single group of people has had a hand in fucked up shit

>> No.22037011
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>>22034162
>Because all Asians are savage and brutal creatures. Look at the way they treat animals and their own children. They're a race of complete sociopaths. The only redeeming Asian race are the Filipino people, and that solely because their savage blood has been diluted and mixed with much more civilised races.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_tossing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_burning#:~:text=Cat%20burning%20was%20an%20alleged,of%20exposure%20to%20extreme%20heat.

etc


You're completely delusional if you think Europeans are somehow superior to Asians when it comes to things like animal cruelty. The west is the perpetrator of the greatest suffering history has ever known via factory farming, and they are quite comfortable with living off the endless agony of millions of living creatures.

Japan probably has the most humane farming conditions on earth.

Civilization is attainable by most people, Europeans are just further ahead, but if you have a 3 digit IQ the only barrier to entry is acclimation.

>> No.22037018

>>22036961
Got any specific examples? It's hard to imagine anything topping the Nazis in terms of cruelty or creativity.

>> No.22037021

>>22035566
>incidental rather than constitutive
you used constitutive wrong
stopped reading there
how embarrassing

>> No.22037028

>>22036156
go back

>> No.22037035

>>22037018
there is the case of Nanking where the german embassy was rescuing chinese because the japs had gone insane. Imagine how bad things got for there to be US movies where the nazis are the good guys and people don't say anything.

>> No.22037040

>>22037035
Hi.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune_Sugihara

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>>22037035
>>22037040
I feel like I just witnessed a murder

>> No.22037059

>>22034162
>The only redeeming Asian race are the Filipino people
>.t flip

>> No.22037074

>>22037040
>You want to know about my motivation, don't you? Well. It is the kind of sentiments anyone would have when he actually sees refugees face to face, begging with tears in their eyes. He just cannot help but sympathize with them. Among the refugees were the elderly and women. They were so desperate that they went so far as to kiss my shoes. Yes, I actually witnessed such scenes with my own eyes. Also, I felt at that time, that the Japanese government did not have any uniform opinion in Tokyo. Some Japanese military leaders were just scared because of the pressure from the Nazis; while other officials in the Home Ministry were simply ambivalent. People in Tokyo were not united. I felt it silly to deal with them. So, I made up my mind not to wait for their reply. I knew that somebody would surely complain about me in the future. But, I myself thought this would be the right thing to do. There is nothing wrong in saving many people's lives... The spirit of humanity, philanthropy... neighborly friendship... with this spirit, I ventured to do what I did, confronting this most difficult situation – and because of this reason, I went ahead with redoubled courage.
>I just felt like it
Absolute chad

But he didn't represent his country. For each man like him you have the totally of the japanese army (unless you have other examples, which would make the equivalency just as lop sided)

>> No.22037081

>>22037074
>I felt it silly to deal with them.
>I felt it silly to deal with the Emperor, the son of god

>> No.22037180

>>22037074
>>22037040
>chad
>kike sympathizer
A gullible, useful idiot.

>> No.22037189

>>22034162
>The only redeeming Asian race are the Filipino people,
My first gf was flip, she was the only one in her family I could tolerate, and even then there where the sex googles involved. Jesus Christ they were dumb.

>> No.22037200

>>22037011
> dig up shit banned in 1765 to try to shame Western civilization.
Lol you fucking yellow cunt.

>> No.22037236

>>22037200
>hurr durr Asians are fundamentally barbaric! just look at what they do
>of course whites biologically changed in 300 years, it's called evolution
>you're yellow!
You're stupid.

>> No.22037260

>>22037021
It's actually completely correct,
>having the power to establish or give organized existence to something.
but nice outing of yourself

>> No.22037466

>>22035566

His entire life lead up to that moment. He must've fantasised about seppuku countless times, it was almost in his dna for his Samurai ancestry. His complete obsession with a noble death. And yet, when the time finally arrived, it was a total fuck up. The 'aesthetic' of his death was ruined and ended as a hurried, bloody mess by the sound of it.

It still takes a lot of courage and will though. I can't comprehend the psyche of someone who could disembowel themself. And the Japanese seem to have a particular affinity for suicide. I wonder if they collectively fear death less than Westerners, if there is a spiritual certainty to it. Or if they are simply not as squeamish as us.

>> No.22037497

>>22037466
>And yet, when the time finally arrived, it was a total fuck up.
his death makes me wonder how many times a seppuku was performed improperly throughout history

>> No.22037503

>>22034056
>brilliant
High IQ
>so absolutely brutal
Lack of empathy due to autism.

>> No.22037507

>>22036643
Lol cope. Have you not heard of the rape of Nanking? Where Japanese soldiers split open little girls' cunts so they could rape them better? Do you think any Western state, despite how depraved they have been, has ever resorted to such evil? The worst things westerners did was colonise the world and lift them out of the dark ages and take advantage of some Africans who would sell their kin to us.

>> No.22037510

>>22037507
You sound like emotional woman or a bleeding heart liberal. Europeans niggers in comparison to East Asians.

>> No.22037836

>>22034935
i agree with your point, Spanish and Catholicism fucked us up real hard, but still we were able to preserve some of our Asian values.

>> No.22038025

>>22037510
Is that why you imitate us so much? Imagine this much cope.

>> No.22038166

>>22034162
Let me emphasize:

All humans are stupid, savage, murderous apes barely restrained by civilization. You and me included.

>> No.22038197

>>22034056
They're alphas and you're a beta.

>> No.22038298

>>22038166
Roughly speaking, yes. But variations between cultures, races and individuals do exist.

>> No.22038346

>>22037503
>>brilliant
>High IQ
This desu. Asians have the highest IQs and smallest dicks, whites have average minds and dicks, and niggers are stupid but have horse cocks.

>> No.22038598

>>22037497
The guillotine was invented precisely because executioners are really inconsistent.
In the case of seppuku you aren't even getting a professional executioner.
It's a really, really shitty way to die, which is of course the point.