/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22004352]

It insists upon itself

[Anonymous No.22004357]

>le family guy meme quote
Go back

[Anonymous No.22004470]

>>22004352
no it doesn't. it's one of the least pretentious books there is.

[Anonymous No.22004534]

>>22004470

[Anonymous No.22004555]

>>22004534
I understand that this passage from "Finnegans Wake" may seem confusing or nonsensical at first glance. However, I can provide some context and analysis to help clarify the concepts at play:

Elasticity of language: This passage demonstrates Joyce's use of neologisms (newly coined words) and wordplay. For example, "penisolate" is a blend of "peninsula" and "isolate," while "topsawyer" is a pun on "topsail" and "sawyer" (a person who saws timber). These linguistic experiments showcase the flexibility and inventiveness of language.

Dreamlike quality: The text is characterized by a stream of consciousness narrative style, which emulates the way thoughts and associations flow through the mind. The passage also contains abrupt shifts in imagery and syntax, adding to its dreamlike quality.

Nonlinear narrative: The passage doesn't follow a traditional linear narrative structure, as it moves between various times, places, and characters without clear transitions. This can be seen in the references to "North Armorica" (a region in ancient Gaul, now part of modern-day France), the "Oconee" (a river in Georgia, USA), and "Laurens County" (a region in Georgia, USA).

Historical allusions: The passage contains several historical references, such as "Sir Tristram" (a character from Arthurian legend) and "short sea" (the sea passage between Ireland and Britain). Additionally, the phrase "thuartpeatrick" alludes to Saint Patrick, the patron saint of Ireland.

Multilingualism: Joyce weaves multiple languages into the passage, such as "violer d'amores" (French for "viola player of love"), "passencore" (a blend of French "pas encore," meaning "not yet," and English "pass"), and "gorgios" (from Romani, meaning "non-Roma people"). This blending of languages highlights the interconnectedness of different cultures and their linguistic influences on one another.

While this passage may not offer a straightforward narrative or easily discernible meaning, it exemplifies the themes and techniques that make "Finnegans Wake" a unique and complex work of literature.

Disclaimer: ChatGPT will always defend the status quo opinions and will shut down if asked to deviate from it, leading to some insane COPE, as seen above.

[Anonymous No.22004563]

>>22004555
The word "(bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk!)" in "Finnegans Wake" exemplifies Joyce's fascination with language and his propensity for creating complex, multilayered neologisms. While this particular word may seem nonsensical or devoid of meaning, it has been interpreted by scholars as having several purposes and implications within the context of the novel:

Onomatopoeia: The word has been suggested to represent the sound of thunder, mimicking the way it rumbles, echoes, and eventually fades away. In this sense, it serves as an example of onomatopoeia, a literary device that uses words to imitate the natural sounds they describe.

The Fall: This word appears in the context of "The fall," which could be a reference to the fall of humanity or the biblical Fall of Man. The chaotic and cacophonous nature of the word might symbolize the disorder and confusion resulting from the Fall, a theme that permeates the novel.

Multilingualism: Similar to other parts of "Finnegans Wake," this word incorporates elements from multiple languages, reflecting the novel's celebration of linguistic and cultural diversity. For example, it includes fragments from words for thunder in various languages, such as "thor" (Old Norse), "taran" (Welsh), "tonitrua" (Latin), and "bronte" (Greek).

Musicality: The word's length and rhythmic quality evoke a sense of musicality, making it an example of Joyce's experimentation with the sound and rhythm of language. This musicality contributes to the overall atmosphere and texture of the novel.

Challenge to conventional language: By including such an unconventional word in his novel, Joyce challenges readers' expectations about language and literature, encouraging them to engage with the text in new and imaginative ways.

While it may be difficult to pin down a single, concrete meaning for this word, its presence in "Finnegans Wake" highlights several key themes and techniques of the novel. The word thus contributes to the novel's overall literary value by showcasing Joyce's innovative approach to language and narrative.

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[Anonymous No.22004712]

>>22004352
I insisted upon your mother last night faggot

[Anonymous No.22004722]

>>22004352
Do you think the pretentious fag that refers to it as "the Wake" will show up ITT.

[Anonymous No.22004735]

>>22004722
Why does the Wake still filter so many faggots? It’s the /lit/ board, for God’s sake.

[Anonymous No.22004736]

>>22004722
it's only proper form, like calling Hegel's PoS "the Phenomenology"

[Anonymous No.22004750]

>>22004352
it insists, desists, resists, substances up, in, down and around itself – which is the point.

[Anonymous No.22004842]

>>22004352
Joyce wrote it so that pretenious pseuds would out themselves and we could make fun of them.

[Anonymous No.22005020]

>>22004736
The Phenomenology of Spirit v. The Phenomenology
>4 words v. 2 words
>all words were in the original
Finnegans Wake v. The Wake
>same number of words
>new word substituted

The verdict is you're a pretentious autist.

[Anonymous No.22005065]

>>22004842
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[Anonymous No.22005165]

>>22004712
I wanted this thread to serve as a space to thoughtfully critique Joyce’s work Finnegan’s Wake. However, I have noticed that some comments contain insulting language. I kindly ask that we refrain from using such language and focus on constructive criticism. Let’s not embarrass ourselves and the board by resorting to insults.

[Anonymous No.22005172]

>>22005165
Yeah but this place is /lit/

[Anonymous No.22005272]

>>22005065
>look, I was seething so hard I reported someone's post
Your IQ is lower than 140 and one day you'll probably learn that substituting your (self-perceived) intelligence in place of developing a personality has hindered your social skills.

[Anonymous No.22005284]

>>22005165
At least Joyce was a literal fart-sniffer. That's way more interesting than the figurative fart-sniffers who bloviate and sperg about him on /lit/.