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/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

Aztec setting edition

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>> No.22003595

First

>> No.22003610

opinions on The Night Land
Novel by William Hope Hodgson?

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/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

>> No.22003686

>>22003610
>William Hope Hodgson
One of the greatest fantasts who ever lived.

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good books involving female wendigos
not necessary erotica

>> No.22003726

Title: Battlefield Reclaimer
Author: David North

[Story]
Sam is a young man that comes from a line of distinguished Arcane Scribes...or at least would be, if his grandfather and consequently his father and the rest of the family hadn't been disowned after World Law's broke and they were cursed with a broken Class that could not be progressed - Battlefield Reclaimer. Cursed by the world, they live in a small village trying to make a living without a working Class.

When he receives the same Class on his day of awakening as 18 year-old man, his father takes him on a journey to an ancient ruins of Otherwordly invaders where he hopes to find a way to unlock their Classes, for both of their sakes. Activating unknown artifact ends up taking both the son and the father far from their home, deep underground...and leaves the boy magicaly transformed into something far from human. Cursed and hurt, Sam is too angry to give up and together with his Father decides to unravel the mystery of their curse.

[Review]
Average. Just average. The character are walking cardboards and incapable of spitting out a line of compeling dialogue. What at first reads like a somewhat generic LitRPG with time unfolds to be a poorly made copy of Cradle, but without humor, funny characters and anything resembling decent writing. Still, the story manages to captivate interest with its thought-out magic system and good progression...or at least would, if I haven't seen the same story dozens of times, but more entertaining.

I shamelessly admit to skipping around 15% of the book by skimming battles. It seems David North is one of those people that think battles should be written in detail, dully noting every action. Apparently 'evoking writing' does not exist in his vocabulary. Boring, that's what they were. And boy, isn't the book wordy. It's fatter than a average american, sometimes you can read a paragraph and see the same information repeated again in the next. This book should be half as long, but shallowness of the plot had to be hidden somehow.

In summary, average book with little going for it aside of focus on magic and enchanting, uninteresting protagonist, cardboard characters and next-to-none plot. I guess it's popular because it's a coherent piece of a story without large flaws, but also wholy souless, which ironically is the name of Cradle's first book that Battlefield Reclaimer tries to incompetently replicate.


5.5/10

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>>22003726
...aaaand I forgot the cover art. Apologies.

>> No.22003810

>>22003726
>>22003737
your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF

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>>22003810
Even if I can't count on my family or friends, I will always count on you being there for me. I love you.

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>>22003610
>>22003686
>Why yes, I deliberately wrote my novel with an archaic 17th century style prose, how could you tell?

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Discuss

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>>22003916
What's there to discuss? Are you 16 and have just realized the mainstream message about what women like is false?

Nothing simpler in the world:
Men want women that aren't off-putting and they can get along with.
Women want attractive, powerful men that are mandatory bigger physically than themselves.

Look at fantasy romances and how they are written. One book will tell you everything.

>> No.22003944

>Reading chinese story
>"Boil the dog when it catches the rabbit"
what the fuck is wrong with these people that this would be a common saying

>> No.22003955

>>22003944
dogs are made of food bro

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>>22003944
>Boil the dog when it catches the rabbit"
Well after the dog gave the rabbit the knot, you know it's a full degenerate, and needs to be gotten rid of.

>> No.22003964

>>22003959
what the FUCK

>> No.22003967

>>22003944
When the flying birds are done with, the good bow is stored away; when the sly rabbit dies, the hunting dog is boiled

It's a warning.

>> No.22003990

>>22003726
Recapping the story should be like 2 or 3 short sentences, maybe, not half of the content of your "review". People don't need you to tell them what a book is about, that's what the shit they print on the back of them is for.

>> No.22004019

>>22003936
Just a complement to your post, the fact that the gorean community is full of women is a great example of that

>> No.22004070

>>22003990
I know desu, I still struggle with with being concise. That's partly why I keep writing the reviews, though

>> No.22004194

>>22004070
based

>> No.22004265

>>22003572
Is there a Gene Wolfe reading guide?

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>reading fantasy books by some author
>enjoy it since it has classic swordsman protag and his waifu
>read another series by author
>this time it's an urban fantasy earth based setting and it's enjoyable
>Halfway through the protag and his waifu from the first series makes an appearance and basically become the true protagonist again cucking the new mc
>finish it although finding it annoying
>read another series written by the author
>the protags are reincarnations of the first protag and his waifu
This has gotten to be a bit too much i'll say

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>>22003916

>> No.22004316

>>22004265
2nd to last image in the mega

>> No.22004366

Am I a cuck for considering buying the folio edition of BOTNS for $205?

>> No.22004375

>>22004366
Money's been wasted on worst stuff than that, I think you'll be fine.

>> No.22004506

>>22004366
It's appropriate if you own property and have money.

>> No.22004514

>many fantasy stories today have a school setting
>Realize this was the last time fantasy authors had any real name interactions with other people

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>>22004366
>Oh. My. Science. Shut up and take my money!
You are a bane to science fiction and fantasy. It's very ugly and fluorescent.

>> No.22004538

>>22004267
Simon Green?

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>>22004286
that's not accurate, here's a romance I'd write

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>>22004539
>Tfw no female knight gf

>> No.22004545

>>22004515
don't use your reddit quips on me bitch. I agree the exteriors are pretty shitty but the interior pages and the illustrations look nice imo

>> No.22004547

>>22004541
The fact I could probably still overpower her and plant my unshaven, disgusting cheeto lips on her shows how reality is gritty and grimdark.

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>>22004547
she cute

>> No.22004552

>>22004545
Then get a PDF and buy the art prints. No books are worth that much if the exterior looks like shit.

>> No.22004644

>>22004541
Still couldn't overcome even a bottom tier average male

>> No.22004670

>>22004515
my sweaty hands would degrade that book.

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Has anybody read this? I can't work out if it's Gothic spoopy kino, or generic YA

>> No.22004814

Why do you hate women so much /sffg/?

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What are some good scifi novels that give an eerie suspenseful atmosphere for an alien contact/abduction? Something in the vein of Crichton books like Sphere or Andromeda Strain, or Lovecraft works like Colour Out of Space, or like Signs or Close Encounters of the Third Kind but in book format instead of a movie
Note that the aliens don't have to be hostile (indeed, I'd prefer if they weren't), but their direct or indirect presence should be offputting, at least at first.

>> No.22004824

>>22004814
Because fantasy is for neckbeard incels.

>> No.22004828

I'm only 22% in but out of CP, PoG, and now UoW, Skaffen-Amtiskaw is my favorite drone currently. I think Culture has the most personable AI/robots.

>> No.22004832

>>22004814
citation?

>> No.22004837

>>22004832
Post a story with a female MC

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>>22004837
I'm reading Rebirth of the Malicious Empress of Military Lineage right now

>> No.22004941

>reading warrior of altaii
>Sex but no sex, must rape but no rape
>Something something water
This book is fucking retarded

>> No.22005062

Did any good sff books get published in the last 3 years

>> No.22005083

>>22005062
Castle Town

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>>22005062

>> No.22005221

>>22004821
Pushing ice by Reynolds does this well.

>> No.22005249

>>22005062
I've written about plenty that I've enjoyed that were were published over the last three years. Whether you'd like them is a different matter. I've also listed out each year which have been most read in the current year.

>> No.22005320

>>22004786
pretty generic YA, although I personally enjoyed it.

>> No.22005323

So that's a no then

>> No.22005324

>>22004366
Just get the classic hardcover first editions like a sane man

>> No.22005370

>>22005134
Stupid YA trash

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i'm in love

>> No.22005480

>>22005464
What are the other 11?

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>>22005480

>> No.22005497

empire of the bakkerpires

>> No.22005535

Fuck Theon/Reek chapters in Dance are so depressing

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Well the new Night Angel (guilty pleasure) is abysmal and I don't know how to feel about that. I think the Lightbringer series genuinely ruined Weeks' brain, because the magic that characterized the original trilogy--the unabashed corniness, the total, straight-faced embrace of teenage angst and edge, the charmingly self-unaware goofiness of the whole thing feels greatly diminished. It feels as though Weeks got a taste of writing "real" fantasy which was more serious, and forgot that he didn't get famous for writing "real" fantasy he got famous for writing magic mall-ninjas in camo pants speaking like 90s Anime characters in a PG-13 rated show about assassins.

I am so goddamn depressed that this wasn't kino, I was really, really looking forward to it because I treasure terrible authors who distill their terribleness into something beautiful like Weeks did and I was really hoping to revisit that feeling. The one upside is that the villain is pretty funny, which is something Weeks has been good at since Gigachad Garoth from the first trilogy, but even then it's hard to live up to the Dark Emperor cracking dad jokes while being cartoonishly evil mostly towards his own minions by having a Mark Zuckerberg as a lizardman forcing the protagonist to play the trolley dilemma ten times in a row like something out of a Peter Molyneux game from 2004.

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>Been reading Worth The Candle
>Just finished the pregnancy arc
>It was a billion pages of trauma dumping and sitting around discussing interpersonal relationships etc
>think story is going to pick up again now that that's over with
>the party does one actual thing then they take a break to literally go to therapy
Give it to me straight; is the rest of the story just more of this? I'm not sure how many more character arcs about trust issues I can handle.

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>>22005641
The story is quite big on this, but I don't recall actual therapies being excessively present in the plot. The plot and story themselves are supposed to be therapeutic.

>> No.22005669

>>22005641
I literally told you it was shit, anon
but you didn't believe me

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read worth the cradle instead

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>>22005641
What part of "vapid self obsessed psych-wank" did you not understand? All the lesswrong/"rational" fics are like this.
>here's a vaguely interesting premise
>how about we assign arbitrary numbers to everything?
>have I mentioned I have clinical depression?
>I heckin love science!
>the stupid proles simply don't understand my deeply intellectual emotions
>Ai is the devil, literally
>Why am I so sad and lonely? It must be everyone else's fault, they're just too ignorant to understand my genius!
>repeat for 400,000 pages
Stand back classic lit, a new magnum opus is on the block!

>> No.22005753

I wanna read Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath but I need to do work still. Maybe an audiobook will suffice for now.

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>>22005746
>>Why am I so sad and lonely? It must be everyone else's fault, they're just too ignorant to understand my genius!

Yes, quite apt description for a story in which the author in detail shows how all of his youthful fuck-ups were his fault, and how it could be averted. Truly an egotistical ride. I guess the value of self-reflecton is lost upon schizo /lit/ troll like you.

>> No.22005766

>>22005765
oh my god
did you just defend worth the candle?

>> No.22005776

>>22005766
Obviously his galaxy sized intellect discerned uncountably many layers deeper than us common folk and uncovered it's true literary genius unsurpassed in history. Alas we will never be able to penetrate it's great mysteries ourselves and can only hope he, in his magnificence, exposes to us unworthy cretins a scant glimpse of it's wisdom.

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>>22005776
>no argument, just snark and irony
Who am I challenge your wisdom, you have my gratitude for showcasing me the error of my ways.

>> No.22005812

Can anyone recommend me some good shorter fantasy books around 100,000 words or less, preferably that are part of a series? I've written an urban fantasy book that I'm in the process of reducing the word count for querying, and realizing part of why I tend to run long is because I mostly read doorstoppers. It's probably my taste for longer works, but I feel like most of the shorter fantasy books I've read could've used more fleshing out.

>> No.22005815

>>22005812
cradle

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>>22005766
>oh my god....
>dude... did you just...
>defend that book?
>DUDE! You can't fricking do that!
>oh my god...

>> No.22005938

>people who are immortal or pursue it are le evil
>people that oppose them are le good

>> No.22005941

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/68174/tankers
some boomer is on royal road trying to ape Heinlein

>> No.22005954

>>22005941
>not xianxia, litrpg, isekai or rebirth
>royalroad
ngmi

>> No.22005964

>>22004847
i dropped that hard somewhere around the middle
the prince was just way too much of a gary stu.

>> No.22005973

is the heros ability in the emperor's blades really that he can rotate an apple in his mind?

>> No.22006017

>>22005370
>Stupid YA trash
That's all sci-fi and fantasy.

>> No.22006071

I fixing hate multipov. it's like the author is hitting the immersion reset button every chapter

>> No.22006086

I hate obligatory animal companions.

>> No.22006089

>>22006071
Occasional different povs from the protagonist can be fine but I really dislike it when it basically switches around with every chapter or so.

>> No.22006111

>>22006071
>try a new book with single PoV precisely because I hate that multiple-pov thing too
>second book in the series introduces a second PoV with a completely new character I don't give a shit about
Dropped it hard. I'm not saying it is always bad but often it's terrible and rips apart a good flow of action.

>> No.22006117

>>22005487
>The Curse of Charlie
>Charlie

>> No.22006118

>>22006071
other POVs should be reserved for preludes, interludes, and postludes only

>> No.22006123

>>22006111
yeah blood song was good but dropped after second book almost immediately

>> No.22006126

>>22006118
yeah I'm ok with it setting it up with different pov like that but jumping around all the time is obnoxious

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>>22006071
>>22006089
>>22006111
>>22006126
>*last paragraph of curent pov character's chapter*
>*villain monologue*
good job making it here
i bet you you're wondering what all those very obvious and tantalizing hints in regards to my master plan and relationship to you amount to, aren't you?
well it's simple really. let me explain
*pov ends*

>>*new pov character's chapter*
*the more she drank the more she shat*
*tugs braid*
*internal monologue*
*internal monologue*
*20 pages of internal monologue while character walks from one end of a hallway to another*

>>*followed by third pov character's chapter*
*it's just a rehash of the same scene that led up to the first chapter but from a different perspective

>>*50 pages later you finally make it to the continuation of the first scene**
but it's already too late. it's been over an hour at least. you have to fall asleep now and then wagecuck and if you're lucky resume reading in 8-24 hours, long after any excitement has left you.

and meanwhile the author chuckles smugly at how clever and creative he is because he structured his book this way. delayed gratification, bet you haven't ever heard of something so brilliant, have you, you shiteating peasant?

>> No.22006142

>>22006071
I like multi PoVs as long as they are done every chapter or two.

I don't like it as much when they switch during the same chapter, or if you get a couple of paragraphs of one and then a couple of another and it keeps going back and forth.

That is the reasons I dropped revelation space, it switches pov far to often.

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Started book 2 of The War Eternal series.
Kino so far.

>> No.22006163

>>22006149
Nice. I picked up the first one on a whim at a used bookstore a while back just for the cover. Looking forward to getting to it.

>> No.22006172

>>22006163
Finished the first book yesterday in one sitting. Definitely worth reading, if you have a kindle you can get a couple of moths free kindle unlimited trail, the whole series is on there.

>> No.22006177

Titus Groan is so comfy bros...
how do Gormenghast and Titus Alone compare?

>> No.22006180

>zlib is dowb again
fucking americans

>> No.22006183

>>22006149
>female on the cover.jpg
stopped reading there

>> No.22006186

Am I crazy or the new chink gacha Star Rail is copying Brando's cosmere?

>> No.22006193

>reading dune hexalogy
>page 215 / 3117
this book is so chill to read, i really like the pacing in the first book.

>> No.22006204

>>22006193
I could not finish Children of Dune even though I adored Dune and Messiah

>> No.22006229

>>22006183
OK chud

>> No.22006233

>you have quite a mouth on you at times
>you mean that other times it isn't there?
Is this really Brando's concept of witty, clever remarks or did he purposely write Shallan as someone terrible at banter

>> No.22006236

>>22005221
I find it beyond belief that Reynolds has done anything well

>> No.22006261

>>22006233
Brandon is always extremely shit at dialogue but I think he might be making it worse on purpose just for her

>> No.22006275

>>22006204
Children did suck but as a fellow Messiah enjoyer God Emperor is worth it.

>> No.22006279

>>22006233
This is what you get for reading Brandon books, specifically Brandon books with female MCs

>> No.22006316

>>22006279
Eh, Vin is pretty fine at least. Shallan just feels weirdly... Pointless and at-odds with the story sometimes. It rarely feels like she adds anything. Hell, she has no reason to be in the first book at all.

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i stocked up on stuff to read.

i also read a bit into "reincarnated with the strongest system" because it was rated high on webnovel. it was funny at the start but i can't believe how shit it actually is.

also no bully.

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>> No.22006416

>>22003610
Good, but the prose style was a bit much. Not accessible for most readers, and even over-dense in so some areas so as to detract from the intention of his descriptions.

>> No.22006419

Vamp lit with human protag and romance?

>> No.22006420

>>22006316
It felt kinda weird how the book forgets about her for like 250 pages in the first half

>> No.22006434

>>22003911
>writes his tour-de-force fantasy novel in fake archaic English
>fails badly. Mirdath's character is also a mess.
I'm so happy someone re-wrote his mess of hack work into the masterpiece it should've been.

>> No.22006488

>>22006419
I enjoyed Zero Sight and its sequel but the author didn't finish the series.

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I'm reading one of the mega recommentation "God Touched" by John Conroe and I wasn't expecting much as it's self published but holy fuck it's so bad. The writing is below average but serviceable enough for its purpose, no, the real issue is the annoying gary stu MC. Also it feels like the start of book one should be taking place in book two or three.

Pic kinda related, the MC if he was a bed.

>> No.22006514

>>22006508
It was bad for many reasons and I just dropped it when it added a second male protagonist.

>> No.22006528

>>22006434
There’s a re-write? This is news to me. I just finished reading the original version.

>> No.22006531

>>22006514
I'm only a few pages in and I only powered through because I like sexy vampires. Actually I'm dropping this now, the MC is written like such a real life redditor who happens to be a turbo badass chosen one I want to puke.

>> No.22006549

>>22006531
Eh, he is a reincarnated angel, so is the vampire girlfriend. Be glad you got off before it got to the cuckolding plotline, that was infuriating.

>> No.22006559

>>22004547
This made me cackle hysterically in my cubicle. I could, and probably would, do the same thing. Grimdark indeed.

>> No.22006565

>>22006549
>cuckolding plotline

Picked up again. jk that's not enough of a motivator.

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>>22004814
It can reasonably be assumed that the majority of anons who browse /lit/ - and especially /sffg/ - are young men. Neurotic, artistic (autistic), and emotionally feminine men are to women what citrus is to a roach.

>> No.22006586

>>22004837
The Witcher series is pretty good. Stops being about Geralt by book 3, and Ciri takes over as protagonist.

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>>22003572
Severed Press reigns supreme

>> No.22006596
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Why did no one tell me about A.A. Attanasio? Who else are you plebs hiding from me/don't know about because you only read dogshit?

>> No.22006602

>>22005700
This looks so YA that I wouldn’t even glance at it in passing. Better used as kindling for a fire or toilet paper for a French restroom.

>> No.22006623

>>22006596
I’m hiding RUDY RUCKER from you

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>>22006596
Lurk a lot more.

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never read his books but I just know this dude is into feet. can see it on his face.

>> No.22006884

Listening to audio books while hiking is so nice bros

>> No.22006916

>>22006579
Meh, I'm a schizoid in my 30s. Not neurotic and don't have anything against women. Bigotry is pretty cringe. I just like sff books and mostly come here for the odd recommendation and to people watch. Reading The Wizard Knight rn, it's pretty good

>> No.22006938

>>22006916
>Bigotry is pretty cringe
I wish I could upvote this heckin' epic virtue signal, my fellow 2016+ new 4channel browser. :D

>> No.22006963

>>22006938
What can I say, I'm a liberal. Sorry that triggers you.

>> No.22006990

When will the 'muh womenz' meme end?
Get over it, chuds.

>> No.22007005

>>22006990
nothing against women, just don't like reading books from their pov

>> No.22007019

>>22006990
Sorry that triggers you.

>> No.22007049

>>22007019
Doesn't trigger me, it just getting a bit old now. Anytime a woman is mentioned it ends up with several posts from people mememing about it.

We get it, it's an epic maymay and of course you have to fit in on an anonymous Mexican taco stuffing forum.

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This has caught my attention but I've read that it's part of a chronology set in a particular universe. Should I read the books published before it or is it fairly standalone?

>> No.22007231

>>22003572
I just finished reading the Red Rising trilogy and I had a gorydamn good time. It’s definitely one of my favorites and I was surprised to still discover something this good. But I fear it might turn to shit in its sequels. I just started reading Iron Gold and I was very disappointed by the new format of having changing POVs. I hate these types of books because most of the time half the POVs are complete shit. What do you guys think? Do the sequels hold up or does the series turn bad after Morning Star? I’m only in the first few chapters of Iron Gold and it already doesn’t really feel the same.

>> No.22007255

>>22006186
Care to elaborate?

>> No.22007257

>>22007049
>Doesn't trigger me
Sure, soiboi

>> No.22007379

>>22007200
It's pretty much standalone.

>> No.22007410

>>22006963
>>22007257
>What can I say, I'm a 2016+ newfag
Your kind lets us know at every first available opportunity.

>> No.22007420

Ok guys. Give me a comfy fantasy with adult character/s who go on an adventure.
People keep suggesting shit with kids but I can't relate.
I liked the Dragonlance Chronicles.

>> No.22007428

>>22007420
Adults going on adventures? Sounds like manchildren to me.

>> No.22007462

>>22007420
The Silver John books/short stories are comfy and underrated. Mark Twain meets the Hobbit but it's set in 50's America. If want a comfy traditional euro wizard/knight shit setting I can't help. I prefer David Gemmell's adventures, which you should read though.

>> No.22007463

>>22007420
The Bloodsworn Saga by John Gwynne.

>> No.22007471

>>22007420
Not read this yet but came accross it the other day.
https://www.risingshadow.net/library/book/64214-the-sword-defiant
Well I did read the first chapter on amazon and it seemed pretty decent.

>> No.22007488

>>22007471
nta
I posted what I wrote about that recently. It was decent overall.

>> No.22007496

>>22007488
Going to read it after I finish the series I'm reading now. Do you have a archive link?

>> No.22007532

>>22006233
An author can only make characters as smart or funny as they are. Brandon might be relatively smart, but he's definitely not funny. The Frugal Wizard’s Handbook confirmed that to me. I went in expecting Douglas Adams or Terry Pratchett and it didn't even get a smirk out of me. Utterly boring and unfunny.

Still like Stormlight Archive though.

>> No.22007556

>>22007496
>>/lit/thread/S21941208#p21942894

>> No.22007618

>>22007556
Thanks.

Sounds good to me although a bit generic apart from the talking sword.

>> No.22007659

>>22006884
>Listening to audio books while hiking
You didn't hike.

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About to start this. What am I in for?

>> No.22007664

>>22007618
You're welcome.
May it be better for you than it was for me.

>> No.22007669

>>22007660
Are you entirely new, inattentive, or a troll/bot? Do you sincerely want an answer?

>> No.22007700

>>22007669
I'm new to Wolfe. And yes, I wanted a sincere answer. Excuse my original post, was never good at initiating conversation.

I started already and appreciate the atmosphere so far. Something's off about it though, hard to describe. Like the protag has brainfog or something.

>> No.22007702

>>22005134
I just finished the first cradle book. Enjoyed it far more than I anticipated. I'm not a huge fan of the whole asian fantasy vibe... but once I got into it and the sci fi elements started to blend in and I realized it was essentially a Wuxia / Shonen style story I got really hooked.

I'm already tearing through the second book and the world is so strange and expansive, are there any other books like this--where you have a fantasy story all about personal growth, power and determination?

>> No.22007733

>>22007702
>I'm already tearing through the second book and the world is so strange and expansive, are there any other books like this--where you have a fantasy story all about personal growth, power and determination?
That would be a cool basis for a whole genre, wouldn't it? I'd call it something like Progression Fantasy.

>> No.22007734

>>22007702
> are there any other books like this--where you have a fantasy story all about personal growth, power and determination?
you mean the entire progression fantasy genre?

>> No.22007736

>>22007700
He's narrating his life and only telling you what he feels like telling you, which means that yes, much is intentionally obscured. That may account for the brainfog.

>> No.22007741

>>22007702
ave xia rem

>> No.22007744

>>22007702
>are there any other books like this--where you have a fantasy story all about personal growth, power and determination?
Reverend Insanity

>> No.22007747

>>22007734
yeah, but are any of them as good as Cradle? And are there any that aren't Asian themed?

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Hello fellow cultivators.
>as good as cradle
lol!

>> No.22007753

>>22007747
>yeah, but are any of them as good as Cradle?
That's a matter of taste, isn't it? Also, please read the rest of Cradle before you act like it's the pinnacle of progression fantasy.
>And are there any that aren't Asian themed?
Yes, a lot of them are litrpgs but there are some like Mother of Learning that are quite good and neither Asian nor litRPG.

>> No.22007754

>>22007747
This guy has been writing about them. He has a list. So have others. You can also look at overall thoughts.
>>21984154
Other than that other sites are dedicated to them. There are also charts in the mega in the OP.

>> No.22007758

The guy who writes Soulship looks like a younger, less fat Brando. Not exactly of course but go compare his picture on amazon to anything Brandon.

>> No.22007768 [DELETED] 

>>22007753
> are there any that aren't Asian themed?
Defiance of the Fall
Randidly Ghosthound

>> No.22007771

>>22007747
> are there any that aren't Asian themed?
Defiance of the Fall
Randidly Ghosthound

>> No.22007776

thanks for all the recommendations bros

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>>22007702
>I'm already tearing through the second book and the world is so strange and expansive, are there any other books like this--where you have a fantasy story all about personal growth, power and determination?
As much as some anons tell you it's called Progression Fantasy, it's been a part of Fantasy genre for decades. PG is simply more focused on actual power acquisition than other stories. A story about 'personal growth, power and determination' is basically a basis for a good fantasy book and could describe almost anything from the upper tiers of Fantasy.

If you want the poster child of Progression Fantasy and dislike asian themes, go read Mother of Learning. It's fucking great.
Optionally Sufficiently Advanced Magic, but it has small tidbits of asian settings inside. If you don't have prejudice against LitRPGs, try Dungeon Crawler Carl or Infinity Realm (IR also has some asian tidbits).

>> No.22007797

>>22007778
I just looked through a bunch of the recommendations above and a lot of it seems schlocky and video gamey...the world has been sent into a multiverse of monsters and the hero must level up to defeat them!

At least Cradle had some interesting world building and character development behind it.

Also agreed that classic fantasy adventures have this element of progression as well, though sometimes a great Conan adventure with zero character development can still be quite satisfying.

>> No.22007818

I started Lord of the Mysteries, because probably one faggot here shilled it endlessly. I found the start to be quite boring. But after around 50 chapters it starts to go somewhere. I will continue.

>> No.22007852

>>22007797
>I just looked through a bunch of the recommendations above and a lot of it seems schlocky and video gamey...the world has been sent into a multiverse of monsters and the hero must level up to defeat them!
That's why I gave MoL, SAM and two LitRPGs that I know aren't schlocky. If someone mentions Defiance of the Fall, Primal Hunter or whatever, then they are dumb and do not understand how normal fiction works.

>> No.22007860

>>22006177
Gormenghast improves on Titus Groan in almost every way. Titus Groan moves away from the setting of the castle and suffers for it but I think overall it is underrated here

>> No.22007903

Any books that are more about the world, like with a lot of landscape descriptions, rather than the characters? Besides Tolkien.

>> No.22007910

>>22007702
>>22007778
Mother of learning is literaly the shittiest recommendation of them all. It absolute garbage. The main character is trash, the progression is garbage, the plot other characters are shit.

>> No.22007919

Now that I think of it... Books of Babel series is kind of progression fantasy

>> No.22007922

>>22004828
Falling Outside The Normal Moral Constraints is mai waifu

>> No.22007924

>>22007910
Your opinion is the shittiest.

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>>22007660
Subtext and symbolism.

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>>22005062
i thought these books were fairly good
would have much better if the mc wasnt a woman

>> No.22007951

>>22007910
>It absolute garbage. The main character is trash, the progression is garbage, the plot other characters are shit
sounds like your typical progression fantasy to me

>> No.22007992

>>22007951
It's worse

>> No.22008001

>>22005062
Last Three Years
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=2020&search_tripcode=sffg&search_ord=old

>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=2021&search_tripcode=sffg&search_ord=old

>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=2022&search_tripcode=sffg&search_ord=old

Current Year
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=2023&search_tripcode=sffg&search_ord=old

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Fuck me this book is so good. Why did Gene Wolfe have to die.

>> No.22008111

>>22007771
>Randidly Ghosthound
Why.
Defiance of the Fall I'll at least give you it's not completely nothing, but Randidly is just a whole lot of nothing.

>> No.22008135

>>22008111
I prefer it to DotF in their latest volumes. DotF is mostly asspull esoterica at this point. Ghosthound is still trying to tell a story, even if it's just a shaggy dog story.

Although I will say that both have rallied since their low points so maybe they'll cross trajectories again.

>> No.22008139

>>22008135
Randidly failed to convince me to read past the first book, DotF at least took me a while to drop. Both kinda suck, though. If we're gonna talk LitRPGs in those terms, honestly I'd give it to Primal Hunter as the current best one. It's not GREAT, but it's yet to really falter all that much compared to those two.

>> No.22008156

>>22008139
My favorite ongoing litrpg is probably Bear Clan, but the fourth volume was a bit of a down tick. The fun world reveals are spent, and it resorted to some magical engineering. But still good. Primal Hunter is in meander mode, but the author seems to be having fun with it and it carries through when I read it.

>> No.22008161

>>22008156
Oh, also the rarely-read Bushido Online, which somehow managed to get a little bit better with each volume and I really hope it doesn't implode.

>> No.22008186

>>22008161
>>22008156
Heard of Bushido Online at least. Might give that one a read, though LitRPGs that take place within an MMO always make it a bit harder to take seriously, because the stakes are inherently lower and there's also the disbelief that this game world is somehow human-designed. Probably a bit weird to think. I liked Ripple System, at least when it wasn't doing PvE stuff (because it turns out reading about dungeon raids is REALLY uninteresting whereas PvP means you get interesting conflict and characterisation). Dunno Bear Clan at all. I mean, my current favourite is DCC, but that's hardly a fair comparison given how it's not really a very typical LitRPG by any notion.

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>>22008092
he's still writing books in heaven. But not sure if all of us will get to read them.

>> No.22008219

>>22008186
Bear Clan is russian, but the guy who did Way of the Shaman. If you liked that, you'll like Bear Clan even if you didn't like his other books.

If you try Bushido Online give it a chance to grow on you. For the first volume I was sort of hung up on the gimmick of everyone larping as Japanese. Maybe you will demonstrate a more supple mind. In the end I like the clan intrigue and cleverness.

And DCC is sort of in a class by itself right now. That's another one I hope doesn't implode.

>> No.22008223

I don't like the solo grinding shit in litRPGs, I want a party or at least a cute tomboy partner for grinding.

>> No.22008233

>>22008219
Oh, I don't think I've even touched any Russian LitRPG stuff, admittedly.

>> No.22008271

>>22008223
imagine showing Tolkien this post in the 50's

>> No.22008279

>>22008219
He lets fans dictate the course of the story, I think it may be inevitable.

>> No.22008280

>>22008271
>imagine showing Tolkien this post in the 50's
Too late to save LotR from being boring.

>> No.22008303

>>22008279
ARE YOU THE ONE WHO HATES THE CAT ANON

>> No.22008305

>>22008223
Kys

>> No.22008306

>>22008305
Why is solo grinding so important to you?

>> No.22008313

>>22008271
Would Tolkien have enjoyed D&D?

>> No.22008320

>>22008313
no

>> No.22008324

>>22008313
no

>> No.22008326

>>22008306
I don't like mc teaming up with others. Most of the time the team becomes literal trope and I really dislike trope shit

>> No.22008335

>>22008326
I don't really get how parties are tropeshit but those MCs somehow aren't but good for you that litRPG is almost exclusively solo grinding.

>> No.22008343

>>22008313
I think he might appreciate some of the worldbuilding, like using maps and consistency in the rules, but he'd probably consider the theater aspect inferior to reading a book.

>> No.22008349

>>22008335
The tropeshit is when mc joins a party and there is a "girl" and it becomes ya love story and everything else story/plot is only there to serve the love story. If its some sort of Black Company tier party, a band full of male mercenaries who go on adventure then that is fine, I don't mind that but litrpg parties are never like that.

>> No.22008352

>>22003572
Any progression/cultivation novels set in a world like Journey to the West

>> No.22008354

>>22008349
>The tropeshit is when mc joins a party and there is a "girl" and it becomes ya love story and everything else story/plot is only there to serve the love story.
Sounds cool, any recommendations like this?

>> No.22008358

>>22008354
Sounds like shit and you are a coomer trash.

>> No.22008360

>>22008358
>Sounds like shit and you are a coomer trash.
So, basically, you are making shit up and there actually are no litRPG stories like what you describe?

>> No.22008366

>>22008354
Read better stuff please

>> No.22008372

>>22008360
Almost every litrpg story that involves mc joining the party has some shitty female character that mc falls for. Do you even litrpg?

>> No.22008375

>>22008366
>Read better stuff please
Okay, any warnings which stuff to avoid if I totally hate litRPG love stories?

>> No.22008377

>>22008223
I found some well-rated LitRPG books where the MC grows with companions. Here are some recommendations:

The Land: Founding by Aleron Kong. It has a rating of 4.2/5 on Goodreads and 4.6/5 on Amazon.
Ascend Online by Luke Chmilenko. It has a rating of 4.3/5 on Goodreads and 4.6/5 on Amazon.
Awaken Online by Travis Bagwell. It has a rating of 4.3/5 on Goodreads and 4.6/5 on Amazon.
I hope this helps!

>> No.22008378

Cradle would be good if it didn't (spoilers ahead) go the retarded mega space conflict route. I fucking hate when authors have a decent words and just go "sike, there's a billion fucking planet and actually the real war is in spessss".

>> No.22008382

>>22008378
have a decent world*

>> No.22008389

>>22005083
>not on libgen
reeeeeeeee

>> No.22008409

>>22008377
>I hope this helps!
You don't sound sincere, at all.

>> No.22008416

>>22008409
Well duh this reads like shit chatGPT would spit out.

>> No.22008417

>>22008378
I didn't like the bits with the Abidan all that much. Probably would have been better if he handled those parts with more tell than show because at that power level, I just found myself baffled by how unimpressive everyone and everything was, except for instant eradication/restoration moments.

>> No.22008432

>>22008378
The point of that stuff is that it's meant to put into perspective how utterly petty the Monarchs are being. The space war shit is largely just a 'background' deal. We'll probably not get any real more on that except some snippets of The Mad King or whatever, because the story is still primarily ABOUT Cradle as a world. Hell, the scale of things is set pretty early on when Suriel first shows up, and it never really escalates too much from there.

>> No.22008435

>>22008202
Bakkerfans will not get to read them, but they will get to continue reading Bakker when they meet him where he's going

>> No.22008457

>>22008377
>Awaken Online by Travis Bagwell. It has a rating of 4.3/5 on Goodreads and 4.6/5 on Amazon.
I didn't read it but apparently this has one of my absolutely most hated tropes ever, the main girl dates the asshole bully before wising up and getting together with the mc, or something alone those lines. This is even worse than "best friend dates the asshole bully" in that other progression fantasy, Iron Prince.

>> No.22008465

>>22008457
kek I was thinking of IP then I read the last sentence.

>> No.22008477

>>22008465
I found it baffling that the author thought that was a good idea.

>> No.22008481

>>22008457
>>22008465
>>22008477
Iron Prince at least doesn't have the best friend being a romantic interest, though it's still a weird moment overall because it's just sort of "anyway off screen they became friendly". They also make it weirdly clear said friend is bi before having her hook up with a dude anyway. Which is funny.
God, Iron Prince was such a bland book. It's a magic academy book where it's just a school year and that's it.

>> No.22008486

>>22008409
>>22008416
it is a response from bing.

>> No.22008488

>>22008481
The author went out of his way to make her unattractive to waifufags first, by making her very promiscuous and having her mock the MC for being such a virgin, there even was an event in their past where she pretended to agree to date one of his bullies (which upset the MC) and then humiliated the bully or something along those lines. It still made me drop the book. That bully guy was just a pest and I wanted less of him, not a redemption arc or whatever the author wanted.
Luckily, the book really wasn't all that good, anyway, so dropping it was no big loss.

>> No.22008490

>>22008477
He's a LGTV supporter and is one of those "don't read my books if you're a bigot"fags. Of course he'd think it was a good idea.

>> No.22008497

>>22008488
It's weird he does that and then just has an actual super waifu-y character love interest for the protagonist too. It's kind of like... What's the point, then. Also if you're gonna make a redeemed rival, maybe don't start with the rival being completely 100% awful the entire time and then say "actually he was cool off-screen trust me".

>> No.22008518

I want a female MC that goes on a funny adventure.

>> No.22008522

>>22008490
Somehow litRPG and haremlit which should be ultra neckbeard/"misogynistic incel" genres are the most reddit things in existence.

>>22008497
Writing the best friend as having her own agency instead of serving the MC's interests probably gave him some sort of male feminist boner.

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22008562

>read something from royal road
>the second the protagonist faces any actual adversity or danger, people start seething over the story being ‘ruined’
This has happened so many times
For some reason that site hates protags that are not overpowered

>> No.22008584

>>22008562
Post concrete examples, anon. For all I know you are euphemizing shit like the MC's family being brutally raped to death in front of him as facing adversity.

>> No.22008586

>>22008303
Nah, Princess Donut has a better storyline than most secondaries in a cast.

>> No.22008588

>>22008497
It’s not weird at all
The bully is just the mc’s rival
They even get along at the end
Iron prince is very anime inspired
Also the love interest noble girl is something that would come straight out of an isekai harem with how ideal she was

>> No.22008608

>>22008588
I always hated that Vegeta got Bulma. Even more so since Chichi ended up being such a Xanthippe.

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22008668

To the anon who posted the Freewrite devices the other day... Fuck you, I just pissed away $315 for a layman's laptop. Think I've got autism but it'd be nice to have a singular focus when stuck riding bitch on the road for jobs. I look forward to adding it to my growing list of expensive paperweights.

>> No.22008677

>>22008668
Goodness, anon, do you not look at pictures before you consooom?

>> No.22008681

>>22008435
What if I enjoy Bakker and Wolfe?

>> No.22008690
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>>22008668
lol that's me. Love me some schadenfreude

>> No.22008701

>>22008677
I knew what I was looking at, just couldn't personally justify the price to myself until I saw the podunk version.

>>22008690
Sell me yours, dickhead. I'll give you what I would've paid for the Alpha.

>> No.22008705

>>22008432
I'm sure this is what he intended, but this >>22008417 was also how I felt. I pretty much dropped Craddle because of it.

>> No.22008715

>>22008705
I mean, you do you, but it's saying something that even the penultimate book only involves the Abidan by way of Ozriel just watching the events of Cradle like it's a TV show.

>> No.22008735

>>22008715
I mean I'm glad you can still enjoy it, but for me that massive scale difference between the "real fight" (which is boring as shit btw) and makes what is going on on Craddle a pointless sideshow. Ants fighting ants.

>> No.22008737

>>22003916
four grey aliens and a nordic

>> No.22008740

>>22008735
My autism kicked in during that post, lemme try again:

I mean I'm glad you can still enjoy it, but for me that massive scale difference between the "real fight" (which is boring as shit btw) and what is going on on Craddle makes it look like a pointless sideshow. Ants fighting ants.

>> No.22008748

>>22008735
>>22008740
>autism
>doesn't correct Crad(d)le typo
My autism would beat your autism in a fight

>> No.22008756

>>22008740
Fair enough, I think it's sort of the point that, even as small scale as Cradle 'really' is, it doesn't matter that it is so small because every Iteration matters deeply, whether on a cosmic scale or simple to the people who live there.

>> No.22008760

>>22008748
I'm a dipshit ESL and it's 3am pls understand.

>>22008756
Yeah for sure. I think the sudden switch between fantasy to some pseudo sci-fi with spaceships also contributed to mindfuck me in a not good way.

>> No.22008771

>>22008760
The switch and the power level scaling wouldn't be so bad if you were familiar with xianxia. A lot of them start with the MC being barely above regular mortals and take hundreds or thousands of chapters to get to the absolute pinnacle of beyond godlike power with regular out of depth encounters that wow the MC and reinforce his determination not to be limited to the mere local pond power levels.

>> No.22008774

>>22008760
Fair enough. Given how little we actually really see of Abidan society, it's actually kind of left ambiguous how 'sci-fi' they really are. Their enemies are a bit more strictly sci-fi, but even then it tends towards sci-fi in a very overly fantasy sort of way.

>> No.22008782

>>22008771
Well, a very recurring theme of Cradle is "there's always more". The only character that doesn't apply to is Ozriel and he basically ends up forcing himself to experience more because of how utterly banal his existence had become.

>> No.22008794

>>22008771
I don't like Xianxia -much- but it's mostly because how obnovious the "senior this senior that" stuff is, the idea of massive power differential between people and cultivation is pretty cool. I was actually surprised to enjoy Cradle. The bothersome for me was the idea that everything going on is a sideshow of an event that completely dwarves it.

>> No.22008796

>>22008782
Yet he couldn't do anything about the existential threat the Abidan were gradually losing against.

>> No.22008801

>>22008796
Well, that's more just "probably just entropy". I dunno, I feel like it's not unlikely we'll see a more thorough exploration of the Abidan and the like in another series, Cradle mostly touches on them to highlight significance and scale.

>> No.22008802

>>22008794
obnoxious*
the bothersome part*
ffs i swear i'll start correcting my post soontm

>> No.22008895

>>22008794
>I don't like Xianxia -much- but it's mostly because how obnovious the "senior this senior that" stuff is
I feel like that is more prevalent in parodies than the real thing, especially in western xianxia.

>> No.22008959

>>22008668
Lmao

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>>22008668
Nice. Here's my freewrite.

>> No.22009089

>read all this royal road litrpg stuff
>give that one anon's RR story a chance
>prose is much better
>can't get into it because my brain doesn't want to comprehend the prose
>must go back to simple sentences
>I miss litrpg
Sorry anon. I know the prose is better, but I can't. litrrpg prose is just so much easier to digest

>> No.22009134

>>22009089
RIP, your brain

>> No.22009162

Name a single good 21st century fantasy novel aside from Bakker or Clarke. You simply cannot.

>> No.22009189

>>22009162
If Bakker's writing is what you consider good, I don't want to know what an evil fantasy novel would look like.

>> No.22009211

>>22009162
You’ll have to get through me first *slams down novel*

>> No.22009251

does this gen accept discussion of sci-fi/horror

>> No.22009277

>>22009251
Read the title of the fucking thread you spastic

>> No.22009283

>>22009277
Most friendly and well adjusted 4chan poster
>>22009251
Yep. We like Lovecraft, CAS, and the like. What do you want to discuss?

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>>22008668

>> No.22009345

>>22008668
>>22008690
no arrowkeys is a terrible design choice.

>> No.22009379
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>>22008313
I imagine the Inklings gaming night would be epic

>> No.22009398

>>22008233
Try the Nullform series.

>> No.22009399

>>22009345
It's part of some hipster design philosophy to keep you from 'backspacing over your mistakes and efforts'. Preserving your stream of conscious kind of BS.

>> No.22009448

>>22009399
but then that nullifies the entire device being used as a word processor. so terrible.

>> No.22009605

>>22008354
>>>/a/252327837
enjoy

>> No.22009648

>>22008522
>Somehow litRPG and haremlit which should be ultra neckbeard/"misogynistic incel" genres are the most reddit things in existence.
wow it's like prioritising females and wanting to be surrounded by them all the time turns you into a feminized faggot who constantly needs validation from fictional characters like upvotes on reddit

>> No.22009690

>>22006071
I agree. Personally, there's always one character who I end up more invested in than the others and I end up constantly being annoyed when a story that I'm enjoying gets interrupted to go follow someone else entirely

>> No.22009724

Seperate /litrpg/ general when?

>> No.22009748

>>22009724
never retard

>> No.22009749

>>22008488
All that garbage, why not instead focus on story and adventure? At least fuck in the first chapter so it's done and out of the way and mc can get on with other thigns, but no, story and and adventure are irrelevant, most of the time it's some retarded ya love shit. These authors should be fucking gassed

>> No.22009752

>>22009748
Please make one so we don't have to put up with your shitrpg.

>> No.22009770

Has anyone read the Dresden Files?
recommend?

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>*makes a whole thread crumble and seethe in his path*
How can one man be so based?

>> No.22009775

>>22009724
they would get laughed at so hard by tourists. fantasy and scifi readers already have enough trouble understanding litrpg serials. this is their home.

>> No.22009782

Just finished the farseer trilogy. Thanks for the recommendation sffg. That trilogy was like crack, I'm tempted to go further in their world but not sure yet.

>> No.22009784

>>22009772
>his path
What is his path?

>> No.22009803

>>22009784
The path of Satan. It’s also very wide since he’s fat.

>> No.22009811

>>22009782
Well the Liveship Traders trilogy is different enough to be a standalone series despite being set in the same world.

>> No.22009829

>>22009775
It wouldn't be so bad but litrpshit seems to be pushing away discussion of sff. 75% of these generals are now weeb novels and litrpg.

They need to make their own general.

>> No.22009840

>>22009829
It's been attempted many times. It never lasts for more than a couple threads for a very simple reason. Few care to make the threads consistently.

>> No.22009855

>>22009784
The path of bad dialogue, shitty ya romance and cuckoldry.

>> No.22009859

>>22009855
>caring about romance
fag

>> No.22009868

>>22009859
if you were to find some filthy roach floating in your soup, would you not care?

>> No.22009872

>>22009868
I would. Doesn't change that you're a fag

>> No.22009875

>>22009872
I am not fag, I just don't like romance trash in adventure stories. Keep romance in romantic novels.

>> No.22009899

Why do powerful protagonists not visit brothels or sleep around?
Sex is fun. Why do they avoid it? I don't need to read a description of how he fucks someone, but it feels unnatural how fantasy protagonists seem to have no interest in sex. They only ever sleep with the female lead at the end of the entire story.

>> No.22009923

>>22009899
Have you never ventured outside of YA or what? Visiting brothels is perfectly natural in in mature Fantasy stories. Unless you read shit written by <30 years-old writers, new generation finds it 'unethical'

>> No.22009946

>>22009899
Most people don't want romance in books, go read a romance novel. Sure there are plenty of sff books that do have that in them, especially urban fantasy.

>> No.22010004

>>22009899
Not sure what books you're reading but many feature characters that have sex, even if its not explicitly stated. Even in series you don't initially think of. For example in WoT Mat screwed half of the busty barmaids in the Westlands but it always mentioned in an off-hand manner that it's easy to overlook.

>> No.22010011

>>22009899
like 1/3rd of the second kvothe book is about how he went to a sex fairy goddess's world and made her fall in love with him with the power of his 17 year old dick

>> No.22010058

>>22010011
I checked and it's true he's only 16, lmao. Why are Americans so obsessed with teenagers? Is this some conspiracy to give everyone insecurities about not doing anything important in life before hiting 20s? Fucking hysterical.

>> No.22010074

>>22010058
not like kvothe does anything in the books beyond being an arrogant dick, consistently overestimating his abilities and getting bested and humiliated time and time again
supposedly he also gets everyone he loves killed or something, but the final book is never coming out so we'll never know what happens

>> No.22010077

>>22004821
Childhood's End by Arthur C Clarke is exactly what you want

>> No.22010126

>>22010058
It's almost as if teenagers are the main audience for the majority of such books.

>> No.22010172

esoteric, abstract magic systems >>>> some yugioh trading card bullshit where they burn tin to go fast or powers are tied to the color spectrum or some stupid bullshit gimmick that completely demystifies the setting

>> No.22010223

>>22009770
really, nobody has read this series?
by the same author that wrote codex alera, Jim Butcher

>> No.22010225

>>22010172
Both can be cool.

>> No.22010232

>>22004267
Michael Moorcock?
>>22004366
Worthless without the Urth.
>>22006596
>>22006685
Too confusing just for the sake of it. I liked the first quarter of Radix, but the enjoyment is gone once they start using telepathy.
>>22007660
An amoral 15 year old orphan boy takes a hike across post-post-post-apocalyptic Chile. He also brags about meeting the president, a monarch, a talking cat, and multiple women dropping their panties as soon as they meet him.

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>lord of the mysteries 2 ch127
>the psychologist he is meeting is susie
i fucking knew this would happen. i fucking knew it. god damn it. why are writers such assholes?where is audrey?! i demand justice!

>> No.22010331

New bread when

>> No.22010335

>>22010331
10 minutes

>> No.22010351

>>22010331
20 minutes

>> No.22010401

>>22004541
>tfw no stronkfu to crush your dick between her biceps
Why live?

>> No.22010459

>>22009724
Are you the fag from last thread who wanted people to discuss Poul Anderson and Wolfe, some of the most talked-about authors in this general, more often? Lurk more and then dunk your head in acid.

>> No.22010539

>>22010459
No I'm not him and there should be a seperate litshitrpg general.

>> No.22010545
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>>22010459
*raises paw* that was me. Problem?

>> No.22010552

>>22010539
ARE YOU THE ONE WHO HATES THE CAT

>> No.22010561

>>22010552
No I love cats but I hate litrpg in sffg.

Are you garage boy?

>> No.22010574

>>22010545
>>22010561
>I hate on-topic posts and want more of the same!
By all means, return to your favorite social-aggregate. That is, quite literally, what it is for: Stagnation and discussion of the same titles ad nauseum. This will be my only reply.

>> No.22010589

>>22010574
There are plenty of books to talk about but most people just want to talk about the same ones all the time.

>> No.22010592

>>22010574
I didn’t actually make the post from last thread. You need to realise Anonymous isn’t the same person.

>> No.22010614

>>22010574
>>22010459
Get in /litRPG/ chads!
>>22010612

>> No.22010619

>>22010614
Based

>> No.22010636

>>22009770
>>22010223
I dropped it after a few books because the protagonist was constantly acting like a retard, making the worst decisions possible and it just wasn't enjoyable.

>> No.22010642

>>22010614
No.

>> No.22010643

>>22010642
Go and stay go
>>22010612

>> No.22010657

>>22010643
LitRPG, like it or not, is still SFFG. You're pointlessly fragmenting it because sometimes people discuss a subgenre you don't like.

>> No.22010665

>>22010657
If you want to role play and self insert go play Skyrim.

>> No.22010668

>>22010665
I'm not a fan of grimdark, I don't demand the creation of a grimdark general because sometimes people talk about grimdark books.

>> No.22010669

>>22010657
Stop responding to shitposting wannabe janitors.

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>>22010668
>Grimdark general
Ahhhh… that sounds like a gritty and harsh place a man can really rape and murder in as an unchecked sellsword or knight that never sees the fist of a true king’s justice, for all kings are false!

>> No.22010875

>>22009770
I read it up to the latest few books and then lost interest.
It's kinda decent action shlock, you can kinda imagine each book as a movie or a tv show on the level of supernatural.
Basic premise in each installment is
>noir detective parody man gets shit on by women/the government/poverty
>gets hint/job for a new important case
>hops in his comically small car and slowly drives around doing detective shit
>Oh crap it's not just criminals it's magic demon werewolf nazi vampires!
>entire rest of the book is him shooting people with a hand cannon while quoting dirty harry, setting things on fire, taking grievous injuroes, and sleeping with women of dubious morals
>in the end there's a massive explosion, all the bad guys die except the ringleaders who flee into the sunset sursing his name, and the woman of the book backstabs him and steals his shit before disappearing and he goes back to being a noir detective
>also there's a comedy sidekick talking skull who used to be an ss officer but who's totally cool now honest and only OCCASIONALLY attempts to reinstate the third reich by using necromancy to revive hitler

>> No.22010882

>>22010312
>pirate sites haven't updated from 114 in over a week
This is the end for me.

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Anyone here read this series? Been watching the show and just found out it's a book series. I don't mind the show but I might ditch it and pick up these.

>> No.22010914

>>22010707
who's the faggot in the middle? I like grimdark

>> No.22010946

>>22010914
A Mexican-Spanish translator. The lords of Grim and Dark went there to discuss how gritty reality was.

>> No.22010952

>>22007919
Are these books actually good or not?

>> No.22010962

>>22010614
Fake and gay

>> No.22010996

>>22007922
I like how Skaffen's intro was blasting everybody and getting shit done. What other Culture books are worthwhile to read? I read good things in the archives about Excession but the plot of trans having babies(?) and arguing with each other does not sound appealing; is that collection of Culture short stories worth reading too? Should I go ahead and read them all? I probably will at some point.

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Anyone like Machen up in this bitch?

>> No.22011030

>>22010882
my usual site seems to have stopped at 118 yesterday. but i found another that went up to 129.
either way, sooner or later we'll probably get to read it.

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It reigns supreme…

>> No.22011067
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22011067

He really hit the nail on the head

>> No.22011179

>>22011067
He is right, so many writers stick to the same fantasy tropes to capture the Tolkien audience and don't try to create their own unique settings, races and themes.

I try to avoid anything Tolkien like and try to look for fantasy that is different from the norm.

>> No.22011206

>>22011179
Yeah. No one really even reads the names he lists either. I tried to list off some attributes to the dullards on /tg/ but my argument went over their heads.
>>88776474

>> No.22011210

>>22011179
>>22011206
>>>/tg/88776474

>> No.22011277

>>22011067
Those authors think you should make allegories to how Trump is an evil dictator in your fantasy book and Roe V Wade being abolished is making women second class citizens. No thank you. At least people who copy Tolkien aren't mentally broken by politics and are trying to make something perennial.

>> No.22011285

>>22010614
I hope the time wasted on gathering harem cover arts and making a shitty troll thread was worth it for you, anon

>> No.22011300

>>22010225
no

>> No.22011318

Speaking of litRPGs:
>Okay guys. As we approach the end, there’s going to be several minor and a handful of large-ish retcons in order to make things fit better.
Oh no, DCCfriends?

>> No.22011320

>>22006071
Agreed, it's my #1 red flag among authors I would actually consider reading.
I think the only one that comes to mind actually having pulled it off is Pratchett. Erikson, GRRM and Jordan certainly didn't.

>> No.22011321

>>22011285
What are you talking about? LitRPG reigns supreme

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>>22011067
>and there's a lot to dislike
>proceeds to list things that are morally righteous, good and true throughout history
I hate subversive leftists. They are a death cult.

>> No.22011373

>>22011277
Enjoy your generic fantasy anon.

>> No.22011391

>>22007420
Fafhrd & The Grey Mouser.

>> No.22011401

>>22007702
Isn't it just ripping off chinese xianxia?
There's endless amounts of that stuff with different flavors. Straight Xianxia (including reskins with fantasy and/or lovecraft flavors), system novels, transmigration game novels etc etc.

>> No.22011422

>>22007747
>And are there any that aren't Asian themed?
Lord of the Mysteries, Throne of Magical Arcana, Super Dimensional Wizard, Coiling Dragon, Warlock of the Magus World.

>> No.22011451

>>22010312
>>22011030
I figured it out and got caught up. Have to jump through a lot more hoops though, what a pain in the ass.
It's kinda funny how connected but not Lumian is to the tarot club, he's practically surrounded by them and presumably an extremely important part of some sort of master plan of theirs, but seems distant and unrelated. There must be some sort of connection for him to occupy a similar position to Susie as an outer disciple despite having never met any members until a few days previous. Maybe Fors was just a fan of Aurore, or the baboons are patrons of Klein. But I think it may have something to do with his lineage, a suspiciously absent father is bound to be important. I wonder who he was, lumian wasn't born with characteristics so probably not an angel, but he's an uncannily good match for the hunter sequence and hiding his name means it's one we'd recognize.
Also, a side note, but where the fucck did fallen mercury come from? Back when it was a dreamscape it made some sort of sense, but why did some random monster have a high sequence cursed artifact with CoI's powers? There wasn't anything else there like that. And where'd that three headed monster go?

>> No.22011464

>>22011422
>Warlock of the Magus World
kys

>> No.22011469

>>22011373
Thank you. Generic fantasy is much better than current news event.

>> No.22011475

>>22011067
Where did this obsession with subverting expectations come from?
There's nothing wrong with a classic tale of adventure.

>> No.22011487

>>22011475
He is a literal communist.

>> No.22011489

>>22011464
That's the only one I didn't finish myself but a lot of people seem to really go in for the edgelording and D&D refs.

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>>22007750
Junior you're courting death!!

>> No.22011519

>>22011487
He's an idpol faggot at that.
He was also accused of sexual abuse of some indian-britbong Mamata back in '09 and shut her down with multiple lawsuit threats even before #metoo became a thing.

>> No.22011531

>>22011489
I have not read worse literature (of any kind) than that webnovel, I think one needs to have some talent and ability to actually write something so garbage

>> No.22011537

>>22011531
I mean the guy calls himself The Plagiarist and the beginning is eerily similar to Super Dimensional Wizard. (which is a far better story)

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Any recs for a father/child(ren) driven story? I've already gone through the Witcher.

>> No.22011555

>>22011537
I have no issue with him plagiarising other work but it's genuinely just so bad.

>> No.22011686

Bake new bread

>> No.22011703

>>22011451
i thought the three headed monster just represented CoI that failed to get summoned. but good catch with fallen mercury. there seems to be a lot still missing from the real events that occured in cordu.

i wonder if his role really is that important. it could also be that he is just one among many minor arcana, and that we'll see more of the minor arcana before getting to see the real players again. which would be a shame.
but i can't see why they would need to recruit him specifically for this as a key player.

i also wonder if periodic tarot gatherings won't be covered in the story anymore..

>> No.22011740

>>22007231
Iron Gold retroactively gets better once you start and finish Dark Age. It does the set up for a decade long time skip and sets up the kino that is Dark Age. Light Bringer is the only book in a decade that I've been dying to read up to the release.