/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21977396]

Give me books or thoughts about authoritarian systems and flat hierarchies, and who wins in the end.

[Anonymous No.21977403]

>>21977396
What the fuck is wrong with the retarded idiots that post this shit? Do they all have mommy buy their groceries? Do they never leave their house even to buy tendies? Do they even know how the sun feels anymore?

[Anonymous No.21977407]

>>21977396
Why is Twitter Traditionalism always talking about mid-century consumerism? Are they really that vapid and stupid?

[Anonymous No.21977417]

>>21977396
i still have this

[Anonymous No.21977418]

>>21977407
Yes. If it's not pagans and Christians seething at each other it's retards who want to "Returvn" to the 1950's when the subversion was already underway. Genuine spiritual insight there is very minimal, they're mostly aestheticians. They're already being overrun with ridiculous "trad" egirls who finger-wag at them like typical mammies.

[Anonymous No.21977425]

>>21977407
it's just a bunch of faggots sighing mournfully at coca cola ads. nothing tells you how far the west is gone than seeing the hills its alleged saviors want to die on.

[Anonymous No.21977426]

>>21977396
Take what? We still have Pepsi

[Anonymous No.21977428]

>>21977418
>Why yes the peak of western civilisation was when great corporations had just figured out how to apply psychology to marketing and were actively atomising society by promoting the most efficient, most profitable consumer unit; the new nuclear family. Here's a picture from a literal ad manipulating you into buying a detached house 45 minutes from your place of work
It's bizarre, isn't it.

[Anonymous No.21977432]

How can anyone deny the mid 50s being the peak of civilization for a specific people (the American People)?
Im not even American, but the absolute wealth and freedom of that era for those people is staggering. Who cares if a couple civil rights issues existed even for them. Quantitively and qualitatively in all forms things were only worse beforehand and became worse since.

[Anonymous No.21977442]

>>21977396
Why are those kids so skinny? Are they anorexic?

[Anonymous No.21977449]

>>21977432
>Im not even American, but the absolute wealth and freedom of that era for those people is staggering.
Don't google images and videos from 1950-70s California. Just don't. You'll regret it.

[Anonymous No.21977459]

>>21977432
Hmm...

List the good things of 50s America. Don't include Hollywood, most of them are poison.

[Anonymous No.21977476]

>>21977396
Who are "they"? Didn't we took it from ourselves by our behavior? It isn't mature to blame somebody for our failings and mistakes, we should own them and try to create the society we wish to live in. Thinking that it will appear out of thin air just because we want Pepsi in glass botles is entitled.

[Anonymous No.21977490]

>>21977476
>Didn't we took it from ourselves by our behavior?
YOU certainly were not part of those who took it from themselves, ESL subhuman.

[Anonymous No.21977502]

>>21977432
It's just propaganda. A literal ad. Most people don't even recognize when a girl uses makeup. They think that layered shit is natural. So why are you really asking? Modern era goyslop: bad. Modern era goyslop from japan: good. Modern era goyslop from 70 years ago: good

[Anonymous No.21977525]

Why is it so inconceivable for these cattle to believe that our elites might not have made all the right decisions since then? What whig retardation is this to believe that it necessarily must be better now than yesterday?

Literally unpaid, servile shills for current elites to not be held accountable or to higher standards

[Anonymous No.21977536]

>>21977525
You sound sus, anon.

Are you.... are you one of "them"?

The elites?

>What whig retardation is this to believe that it necessarily must be better now than yesterday?

Of course it must! Don't you have standards?

[Anonymous No.21977538]

>>21977396
Hierarchical structures are frequently inflexible. It is frequently being suggested that the hierarchical organizations slow down timely transformations, which are essential if the organization is to survive in a rapidly changing environment. It is being thought that hierarchies work for standardized processes and they are not useful in dynamic environments. They are slow to react to new opportunities, which frequently need transformative change.

[Anonymous No.21977542]

Flat organizations have a number of issues. Employees frequently lack a specific boss to report to, which creates confusion and possible power struggles among management. Employees in flat organization structures can also feel more ‘role ambiguity’, within their organizations as employees can be uncertain of job expectations.

In a flat organizational structure, there is very little room for employees to move up. This makes it harder for ambitious employee to find satisfaction. Some employees enjoy working hard toward a promotion, and there is not much opportunity for this in a flat structure.
These organizations tend to produce a lot of generalists but no specialists.

[Anonymous No.21977543]

>>21977407
They just miss segregation and racism. Unironically.

[Anonymous No.21977546]

>>21977396
>took
It's worse than ever. The average bloke is a living dumptruck considering the shite they put into their bodies. Fuckn hell; even my grandparents drink cola every day, eat greasy shite and sit on the couch while watching TV- also the only source of information on the real world they have. Every conversation is about "everything so expensive, d-dumb foreigners, why don't you get a real job and stop reading so much".

[Anonymous No.21977577]

>>21977546
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oinJ99dDScg

[Anonymous No.21977596]

>>21977577
The face of evil.

[Anonymous No.21977633]

>>21977396
Cheap prices and no artificial sweeteners. Pretty gud

[Anonymous No.21977634]

>>21977577
the consumerist trash from developed in the 40s-60s is in large part what allowed the huge global population boom, but people dont want to hear that

[Anonymous No.21977653]

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[Anonymous No.21977659]

>>21977653
Are you one of "them"? The elites trying to stop us dissociating from propaganda? I'm not buying this shit

[Anonymous No.21977672]

>>21977396
Not the point at all, those romanticising the past simply forget all to often that nothing comes without attached strings and owning a house or a family or having a car doesn't make you happy on its own. Such a lifestyle still requires tremendous amounts of work to uphold which can and often does feel draining and trapping. It is both possible to be happy today and in the 1950's. It is not suddenly all well just because you like the artstyle of the time period better

[Anonymous No.21977673]

>>21977672
Meant for this guy >>21977653

[Anonymous No.21977685]

>>21977672
Not all eras are equal or equally happy. You need to accept this too.

[Anonymous No.21977688]

>>21977653
keep shedding a single poignant tear to lawnmower ads, faggot

[Anonymous No.21977695]

>>21977685
How do you go about measuring this "happiness" you speak of in any remotely objective way, without falling prey to romanticising? Not to mention for who is it beneficial? I imagine most racial minorities, jews, women and disabled don't have much reason to do anything but be glad the 1950's are long gone

[Anonymous No.21977706]

>>21977688
just go back to whatever twitter circles you came from

[Anonymous No.21977712]

>>21977706
But the post OP got is from Twitter... Which is exactly what he's trying to avoid

[Anonymous No.21977728]

>>21977712
>implying i was defending low effort OP somehow

[Anonymous No.21977741]

>>21977502
Is that the quartering?

[Anonymous No.21977747]

>>21977728
>Implying

[Anonymous No.21977766]

>>21977653
I literally and unironically had that life in the 80s. It was a beautiful time. The smell of backyard grilling. Dad's homemade barbecue sauce. Neighbors leaning on the fence chewing the fat. Knew the name of every family on the street. Knew the name of every dog on the street! Sitting on the front porch with the old fashioned hand cranked ice cream maker as the stars come out. Radio set to oldies. Pot luck block parties, long folding tables laden with dishes. Street blocked off, games for the tots, big wheel races through the open fire hydrant. Halloween party around the campfire. Dozens of aunts and uncles and cousins on Thanksgiving. Foot-high snow days. The smell of fine clothes and leather gloves as everyone comes to deliver Christmas greetings in their very best dress. The literal jingle of the jingle bells and holly on the front door. Gathering round to watch fuzzy VHS recordings of Peanuts holiday specials. Kids playing on the big pile of ladies' fur coats on the bed in the guest bedroom. Drinking egg nog and spiced cider with just a touch of wine- it's ok, most of the alcohol has probably burned off. Sitting on the couch during those 12 Days toasty and warm in new socks just watching the snow fall.

[Anonymous No.21977773]

>>21977766
When is the last time you experience this, anon?

[Anonymous No.21977776]

>>21977773
It's been a while. I haven't seen most of my family in a long time. My mother's closest sister won't talk to her anymore because we're purebloods and she became a hysterical vax+mask cultist. Thanks, modern world.

[Anonymous No.21977781]

>>21977776
Oh dang. Sorry to hear that. Yea, I do notice many families are drifting apart these last 6 years...

It's just different back then, you may not be the richest but people just generally don't look down on each other (in my experience). Nowadays, it felt cold and distant most of the time, like, people are very careful of what they say. Even when joking (irl)

[Anonymous No.21977783]

Blue Dr. Pepper.

[Anonymous No.21977793]

>>21977659
My family had that but my Mom left my Dad for an abusive cokehead across the country because somehow that seemed like a better life to her. She has never stopped regretting destroying our family, her childre, her ex-husband and her own life. No shit.

[Anonymous No.21977802]

>>21977793
Oh, I'm sorry.

This escalated where I don't expect

Keep surprising me, 4channers.

[Anonymous No.21977896]

>>21977776
Your aunt was worried about you because she knows that you are one of those conspiracy theorists who keep dying of COVID for refusing to take a vaccine.

[Anonymous No.21977917]

>>21977766
dude this still existed and I lived it asa a kid in the 00-10s lmao
t. NW Virginia chad

[Anonymous No.21977935]

>>21977396
who took what? Buying pepsi in a mall with your mum?

[Anonymous No.21977963]

>50s were literally perfect
>look at this colourful ad with smiling people!

[Anonymous No.21977973]

>>21977963
Yeah! We need REAL PICTURES not paintings!

[Anonymous No.21978025]

>>21977766
How old are you?

[Anonymous No.21978043]

>>21977407
>Are they really that vapid and stupid?
Yes, the 1950s are the earliest cultural memories they have. Beyond that the 1800s tend to be the hard filter for most people.

It is extremely rare to meet someone who still has the cultural memory of the middle ages or earlier, but in the right locations you can find such people

[Anonymous No.21978096]

>>21977407
Yes. You're talking about literal children and idiots in their 20s who enjoy the validation they get from children.

[Anonymous No.21978132]

>>21977407
You zoomer keks are missing context of these tweets, I kinda get it because you were all literally born in the early 2000’s, you weren’t living in these years before the decline really started.

>American GDP was 50-60% of the world total
>Rest of the world in ruins or a shithole, except America
>US had #1 GDP per capita, #1 life expectancy, #1 healthcare system, #1 education system, #1 standard of living
>US mogged everyone else militarily, including the USSR (it took until the late 60s/70s for the USSR to catch up militarily)
>New wonders abound from rockets to space travel to jets to atomic power to TV to proto-computers
>The perfect balance of technology and tradition
>Peak atompunk aesthetics
>Conservative and traditional elements dominate society

It was the ultimate "US #1 time". I'm sad I didn't get to live through it but at least I got to experience a miniturized version in the 90s

[Anonymous No.21978138]

>>21978132
That's cool and all, but has nothing to do with Tradition.

[Anonymous No.21978143]

>>21978138
Your post is meaningless without substantiation.

[Anonymous No.21978172]

>>21977653
You forget that a lot of people werent happy during this time, many people were depressed. Almost all members of my family had to work egregious hours, had high stress keeping up apperances with people, and I had family members and friends of family members get sexually assaulted right around this time. Just because the actual economy wasn't so fucked like it is rn, doesnt mean your fantasy of the past was like this.

[Anonymous No.21978184]

>>21978143
Only because you have the most tasteless and uninformed concept of Tradition, like the rest of you larpers. That being said, I do sympathize with you loss, but there are bigger things at stake.

[Anonymous No.21978191]

>>21977695
All animals are generally happy or unhappy depending on their environment and their needs. Animals also have outward signs of stress and unfulfillment. I think the average American's life is worse now than in the 50s by most metrics, and yes, even women. Recent psych studies show that women are the least happy people in America. Do you think it's easy for them to fill traditionally male roles with no consideration for their natural tendencies? Why do you think 50% of American women aged 40+ are on taking antidepressants? You think that's a good sign? And what about blacks? A few years ago, they committed the most violent and destructive riots in American history. Did they do that because they're happy? I'd really like to know what you think about the trajectory we're on, and weather you think it's healthy.

[Anonymous No.21978193]

>>21978191
Forgive the typos, I'm on my phone

[Anonymous No.21978246]

>>21978184
>doubles down with additional meaningless post
Likewise disregarded and excluded from the topic of consideration.

[Anonymous No.21978248]

>>21977396

[Anonymous No.21978269]

>>21978246
No u

[Anonymous No.21978292]

50s were a literary cultural wasteland, all my fellow literateurs know that peak civilization was the years before the First World War. And no I don’t give a shit about progress or poverty or disease prevention or political participation and you shouldn’t either

[Anonymous No.21978321]

>>21977403
>>21977407
I dunno, define traditionalism then, smart aleck

[Anonymous No.21978328]

>>21978132
Zoomers unironically deserved to be killed

[Anonymous No.21978331]

>>21977396
Pepsi and Seven Up? That's what the lefties are after?

[Anonymous No.21978354]

>>21978138
Tradition is about the passing down elements of a culture to assure a successful generation, you know, things like early Home ownership, a high standard of living, and the countries culture, aspects that the US lost. its getting harder and harder to assure these things to the young. I get that the tweets are just store ads, but its about the greater generational context, which you lack because you’re a most likely a zoomer.

[Anonymous No.21978376]

>>21978328
Idk why you're blaming us you guys are the adults around when things slip away from your hands


Had to be said. Had to be said.

[Anonymous No.21978380]

>>21977396
>mindless consumerism of processed sugar
...im pretty sure you can do that

[Anonymous No.21978424]

>>21977426
>But it's in le virgin plastic bottle instead of based and redpilled glass bottles

[Anonymous No.21978458]

>>21978424
Ah yes this classic reasoning

Hehehe anon

[Anonymous No.21978475]

>>21977432
>the 50s
>freedom
HAHAHAHHAHA

[Anonymous No.21978759]

>>21977396
I don't get it. Do they not sell pepsi and dr pepper anymore?

[Anonymous No.21978813]

>>21977766
I still have that life.
Third World Living Forever

suck it firsties

[Anonymous No.21979576]

>>21978354
Wrong. Read (actuallt read) Evola.