He's Right, You Know

[Anonymous No.21952236]

[Anonymous No.21952245]

>>21952236
Yes, but rightoid retards will claim that because he is ugly he can be disregarded. Not realizing that the pessimism of the ugly is in fact pure honesty about the state of the world. To be born into a body that will be scorned by others no matter what you do, physiognomy does not tell you about the character of those you look at, but the character of those who looked at them.

[Anonymous No.21952248]

>>21952236
>The only value of this world lay in its power - at certain times - to suggest another world
100%

[Anonymous No.21952296]

>>21952236
Not when your chin looks like that

[Anonymous No.21952306]

>>21952296
see>>21952245

[Anonymous No.21952313]

>>21952245
Strictly speaking that means life sucks for ugly people but is fine for attractive for people. The solution? Eugenics of course

[Anonymous No.21952314]

>>21952306
Uglycel cope topkek keep kvetching

[Anonymous No.21952344]

>>21952306
I don't think physiognomy chuds can be reasoned with, unironically. Most of them are themselves ugly, but not self-aware enough to recognize that being ugly doesn't mean they are inherently evil, and instead of accepting that they too are ugly and it's okay because morality does not come from bone structure, they descend into pure denial and imagine themselves as gigachads so they can maintain the evolutionary parasite that is raping their brain and telling them they need bigger bones, bigger muscles, and more symmetrical features. Right Wing people (and this includes any self-described leftists who engage in right wing ideology like physiognomy) are actually non-sapient, they can't escape the control of the demiurgic evolutionary spirit which seeks to create massive monsters of flesh and bone and then ejaculate these creatures out into beyond the Earth's gravitational pull in order to spread forever across the cosmos. This is why they go into fight-or-flight mode when the encounter anti-natalist or pessimistic philosophy, the parasite in their brain starts to freak out because anti-natalism is the only thing which can stop its evil conquest.

[Anonymous No.21952349]

>>21952344
>are actually non-sapient, they can't escape the control of the demiurgic evolutionary spirit
No they just think thats how reality is and you have to cope with it. Even the ones who believe in God think our world is like that because its fallen, so it amounts to the same thing. Frankly it's a pretty understandable position to have based on how everything works. It applies to inanimate matter too, it's not like there is any strict cutoff between the two. It is pure necessity.

[Anonymous No.21952355]

>>21952313
Ugliness exists on a scale dummy, the better looking the population gets, the taller the population gets, the bigger the dick of the population gets, it will never eliminate the social group of the ugly, because what is beautiful today, will be considered sickly and pathetic tomorrow. You're on an infinite treadmill, you idiot. For example, bald people, what makes their lives bad? People treating them poorly, that's it. Being bald does not give you cancer or cause you to get the flu more often, what it does is make other human beings hate you. This is the future for people with hair too, in the future, no one will ever go bald, instead, they'll mock and belittle the hairy for some other imagined imperfection.

[Anonymous No.21952362]

>>21952355
I don't think so, the effect you mention does exist, but I dont think beauty and ugliness are entirely subjective like that

[Anonymous No.21952365]

>>21952349
>It is pure necessity.
Why? You say they believe the world is fallen, but they want to perpetuate this fallen world? Why not attempt to recreate the garden of eden? A post-scarcity situation in which lions, humans, tigers, and all manner of animals were vegan and ate a frugivore diet without war or conflict or strife. But you don't want to create that, you don't want to fix the world, you want to revel in its depraved fall, you don't serve God, you serve the false god. Your bible is a book lies written by the devil.

[Anonymous No.21952373]

>>21952365
>hy not attempt to recreate the garden of eden
Because it not only doesn't work, it makes things worse.

This is not even a Christian thing, it's more associated with Nietzsche than anything. But this sort of "accepting grim reality and fighting anyway" kind of ethos is very widespread with rightists

[Anonymous No.21952413]

>>21952373
>Because it not only doesn't work, it makes things worse.
One of the funniest deceptions of the devil. "No, don't stop being evil and fix the world, not being evil is actually evil and that will make things worse!" Become a NEET, collect welfare, go vegan. Literally all you need to do.

[Anonymous No.21952428]

>>21952413
It manifestly doesnt work. Even a cursory understanding of game theory will show you why it doesn't work, but people understood long before game theory was formalized why this was the case. You have to have a mechanism to stop people defecting, because there will always be defectors. It is genuinely delusional to think there could somehow not be

[Anonymous No.21952432]

>>21952428
It doesn't work as long as people are evil. Simply stop being evil and it works fine.

[Anonymous No.21952468]

>>21952432
Kek. Well let me know if it ever happens

[Anonymous No.21952604]

>>21952236
Anyone ever think about how Ligotti looks exactly like that woman anti-natalist on YouTube?

[Anonymous No.21952616]

>>21952245
Schopenhauer was ugly as hell by all accounts and yet the polcels love him.

[Anonymous No.21952640]

>>21952245
but usually thats how it goes anyways. most of these people lead miserable lives and you can tell by just looking at them they've practically given up. this is not always the case but those the exceptions to the rule

[Anonymous No.21952691]

>>21952616
>yet the polcels love him
They don't, they hate him and they hate pessimism.

[Anonymous No.21953409]

le bump

[Anonymous No.21953882]

>>21952245
Ligotti doesn't even have a horrific bone structure and he's not balding, he's just fat. He could literally hit the gym and improve his rating by like 3 points.

[Anonymous No.21953899]

>>21952640
Kek, Ligotti lived a successful by all means you fucking retard

>He was born in upper middle class family in Detroit which served as a perfect muse for a weird fiction author
>Got a life long literary job in a publishing house.
>Man is one of these most critically acclaimed living author in fiction.
>He is one of 3 living american authors who got published by Penguin Classics alongside Pynchon and Delillo.
>Collaborated with Current93 and even released an album.
>Bram Stoker Award for Lifetime Achievement

[Anonymous No.21953904]

>>21953899
bait: taken

[Anonymous No.21953905]

>>21953899

[Anonymous No.21953908]

>>21953904
>I was pretending to be retarded
Yawn

>21953905
(You)

[Anonymous No.21953912]

>>21953908
cope

[Anonymous No.21954007]

>>21952236
Ironic that True Detective tried to refute him and the only thing that made the show interesting were his ideas,

[Anonymous No.21954480]

>>21952362
subjectivity =/= relativity

[Anonymous No.21955065]

>>21954007
true detective was retarded though. only used ligotti quotes because, per the creator's admission, it made cohle a more hard-boiled character than the typical cynic detective. and he only used robert chamber's yellow king because it sounded cooler than "they're satanists"

[Anonymous No.21955150]

>>21952236
>>>/pol/
>>>/his/

faggots, shitting up the board

[Anonymous No.21955187]

>>21952616
No, he was quite handsome and athletic. Probably what made him so narcissistic.

[Anonymous No.21955237]

>>21952236
His short stories are good, his "philosophy" not so much

[Anonymous No.21955291]

>>21953908
The only retarded person here is you

[Anonymous No.21955343]

>>21952236
About what?

[Anonymous No.21955474]

>>21955343
About his opinions on WW2.

[Anonymous No.21955515]

>>21955291
Because I know Ligotti's biography rather than pulling bullshit out of my ass? Kys nigger

[Anonymous No.21955519]

>>21955474
Brutal blackpill

>Madness, mayhem, erotic vandalism, devastation of innumerable souls - while we scream and perish, History licks a finger and turns the page.

Ligotti

[Anonymous No.21955939]

>>21955519
The first time I read TCATHR I felt it was a tragedy. Now I realise just how goddamn funny it is, I literally howled with laughter!

[Anonymous No.21955973]

>>21955939
Based

Ligotti has very subtle dark humor

[Anonymous No.21956032]

>>21954007
>>21955065
There's a section in TCATHR lambasting pessimistic works of fiction for taking the easy way out. True Detective did exactly that.

[Anonymous No.21956049]

>>21956032
True detective was basically saying that pessimism is the result of a broken mind trying to cope with tragedy. Pizza obviously doesnt agree with Ligotti/early season Rust

[Anonymous No.21956073]

>>21956049
>saying that pessimism is the result of a broken mind trying to cope with tragedy
It can be. I know you likely understand how this doesn't invalidate the pessimistic viewpoint. If anything, look at the phenomena of PTSD. A man can return from witnessing and experiencing hellish scenarios. Upon his return he may have a good job, a family, and live relatively out of danger. The thing is, he never shakes the sense of "truth" in his experiences. He can leave everything behind but the new viewpoint.

We consider that damage, but it might just be failure of insulating values.

Ligotti covers this best in "This Degenerate Little Town."

There are those among us
Who claim to have seen
This degenerate little town
Although they may be unaware
Of its true nature
There are those who have emerged
From some painful ordeal of the body
Or of the mind
And then begun speaking
Of how they saw in the distance
An outline of crooked houses
Tilting this way and that
Or walked along some twisted street
And felt the ground soft with decay
Beneath their steps
Or even glimpsed those diseased faces
Their skin rough and pale as plaster
Peeking from behind grimy windows
But those who claim to have seen such things
Always seem to tell a somewhat different story
Failing to compose a consistent picture
Of what they may have seen
Or imagine they have seen
And so we stare at them suspiciously

For a moment
And then start to walk away

[Anonymous No.21956111]

>>21956073
Naturally it depends on whether you think life truly is awful or not. Since both perspectives accuse the other of delusion it's a bit of an impasse

[Anonymous No.21956146]

>>21956111
The best part about TCATHR is how often he promotes this message.
He makes David Benatar look about as silly as Tony Robbins.

[Anonymous No.21956194]

>>21956146
It's a very memorable book. The whole tone and atmosphere of it is weirdly comforting to me. I have sympathy for his perspective but I don't quite agree with his conclusion. I think he is right that reality is much worse than most people usually admit to themselves but I dont think this renders it "malignantly useless!" kek. It is still possible to view it in a light of redemption even if sort of tragic