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21951265 No.21951265 [Reply] [Original]

what's the Ulysses of today?

>> No.21951266

As in, Homer's epic?

>> No.21951267

>>21951265
The Avengers Endgame

>> No.21951350

>>21951265
Ulysses

The things of their age are the same things now of this age. Get used to it. Done reading yet? Fine. Go outside now.

>> No.21951352

>>21951350
Ulysses is set in 1904. So, if there would be a "Ulysses of today" it would need to take place, at least, from 2010 onwards.

>> No.21951372

>>21951352
And all the Beatles songs are about the 1950s and 60s. They’re still those songs of today and you cannot ever have the Beatles of today or later.
GET USED TO IT

>> No.21951375

>>21951265
Liking Ulysses just means you’re pretentious and likely enjoy cock up the ass.

>> No.21951389

>>21951372
We are not discussing that. You can consume things of other times, sure. Now, OP is asking if there's something like Ulysses but from our modern time. It's not that hard to get, is it?

>> No.21951392

>>21951372
>>21951350

What are you talking about? Are you saying that, since we live after the publication of Ulysses, the Ulysses of today is Ulysses?

OP is asking if there is a contemporary novel that is comparable to Joyce's Ulysses.

How about this? What's the Ulysses of pre-1920. And don't say "the serialized version of Ulysses."

>> No.21951406

>>21951392
He's saying there's no perfect equivalents. It's not how art works. There's no Ulysses of today.

>> No.21951412

>>21951389
No. There isn’t. There never is.
Alan Moore’s Jerusalem is its thing. Alasdair Gray’s Lanark is its own thing. Stop looking for same but new shit. The more alike a contemporary Ulysses can be, the more shit it will be. Look for the new, or read the old. That’s it.

>> No.21951423

>>21951392
Nothing is comparable unless it is shit paraphrased. Can you just imagine the uselessness of rewriting Ulysses paraphrased?

>> No.21951468

>>21951406
>>21951412

Surely the question is not about perfect equivalents, just comparables. Yes, every work is individual and unique, I agree, but there are works that are in dialogue with one another or are similar.

If someone asked for a modern T.S. Eliot, to say J.H. Prynne or Kamau Braithwaite is not to take away the individuality of Eliot or underestimate Prynne or Braithwaite.

>>21951423

Nothing is comparable? Ezra Pound and T.S. Eliot are not comparable? Again, things can be similar and you can discuss things that are alike without compromising them.

>> No.21951476

>>21951468
Comparable how? What should today's Ulysses have?

>> No.21951498

>>21951468
There’s a reason genre fiction is bad, full of tropes, everything tired and six+ volumes worth of it to complete the half thought the author had.
This desire to get equivalent works so you can have that same shot to the arm.

>> No.21951519

>>21951476

Well that's the game that OPs prompt is trying to get us to play. It's the same kind of question as "I liked book x, can you recommend me a book comparable to book x."

I think you're missing the "yes and" principle here.

If you don't think there's a comparable just say, "I don't think there's a Ulysses of today. No book has captured x, y, z qualities since"

>>21951498

I agree with you there, but saying two works are comparable is different. Joyce's "Ulysses" and Woolf's "Mrs. Dalloway" are comparable and both are good

>> No.21951576

>>21951519
>Well that's the game that OPs prompt is trying to get us to play. It's the same kind of question as "I liked book x, can you recommend me a book comparable to book x."
Yea, I was also thinking about that. I don't like those threads. Similar how? The influence, the literary game, the difficulty, the prose? What? Faggots like that should just re-read.

>> No.21951632

>>21951576

Yeah I agree that most of those threads are pretty lazy and the majority of the posters probably will never read any of the recommendations they're given. This thread is at least more interesting, in that it makes you draw comparisons more explicitly.

I also don't want to be too harsh. If we were talking in another context, this question would probably seem pretty normal. "Hey, I like x band, can you recommend me similar bands?" Or "Who are the Beatles of today" seem pretty standard questions.

>> No.21951646

zettels traum obviously

>> No.21952530

My Diary, desu.

>> No.21952537

>>21951646
Zettels Traum was written decades ago, anon

>> No.21952551

>>21951646
Retard. You don’t even own Arno’s books

>> No.21952582

>>21951375
I feel personally attacked by this post.

>> No.21952715

>>21951265
Well, Joyce raped the english language; there's no way back from it. In this sense I agree with >>21951350

>> No.21952735

>>21951265
Nothing with Ducks in the title is fit to sniff Ulysses’s shit

>> No.21952795

>>21952551
>not owning Arno books
wew

>> No.21952800

>>21952795
Yes, that’s the you. Since you clearly just discovered ZT if you recommend it ITT

>> No.21952808

I wiped my ass earlier today. Assuming that paper still exists in some kind of semi-cohesive form, I'm gonna say that.

>> No.21952892

>>21952537
You want an “equivalent” that’s it.

>> No.21952927

>>21952800
What can you tell us about Zettels Traum?

>> No.21953504

>>21951372
I'm not talkin bout the beatles song written a hundred years before I was born. They're all talkin bout the round and round, but who's got the real anti-parent culture sound? (There's only one nation of ulysses)

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>> No.21954121

>>21951375
Putting on a trip and exposing yourself to be a smoothbrain. Brave.

>> No.21954162

>>21951265
I'm actually working on a book like Ulysses but set in a more modern and familiar setting. Here's my pitch.
>A Ulysses-esque novel entirely done in server/stream chats, Discord logs, and MMO chat logs about a main character traveling around the map before reconnecting with his clan and his pocket healer before a major raid.

>> No.21954414

>>21954162
>A Ulysses-esque
Stopped reading right there

>> No.21954423

>>21954414
Please finish reading the pitch and tell me what you think

>> No.21954477

>>21954423
Since you asked nicely, I will. I like the premise. I do think it is quite original and I like that it happens before the raid even takes place and I guess the ending is the beginning of the raid unless a character at the end of the novel says he needs to heal and level up real quick kek. I just want to know what Ulysses-esque means to you and how will it apply to the multi-genres in the text. I presume it will look like how a player will see it as if they were playing?

>> No.21954556

>>21954477
Yes, so, Ulysses-esque means more association with the Odyssey plot structure with Joyce's work used as a framework to build from. For example, I lead with a general MMO world chat discussing the upcoming raid and who has historically done the best, who will top the leaderboard tonight, mimicking the gods discussing the Trojan war at the start of the Odyssey. It's still in an early phase so I'm still working to make it not a pedantic allegory.
Where the Ulysses influence comes in concerns a lot of the IRL and IGL (in game life) prose, but not the chat logs. There I aim to cover topics that are important while weaving in the influence of the game in the main character's IRL life, as anyone with an MMO addiction can tell you that once you're in it you start seeing things that remind you of the game nearly everywhere you go. I want to cover addiction, ethnic identity, community and belonging, e-celebrity status (done through stream chat logs parallelized with streamer dialogue, thoughts, and actions; this is where Penelope will be for most of the story), and a few other topics I'm still brewing but don't want to shoehorn in for senseless reasons.
The stylism I think will be my biggest struggle, maybe one I won't attempt beyond the chat log/IGL/IRL split, but it could be a great time for me to work on stylistic prose. That will depend on if the Odysseus stand-in is in the game, out doing errands, doing the raid, etc. The book should end with a long (and highly anticipated) DM chat log between Odysseus and Penelope, a few hours after the raid ends.

>> No.21954904

>>21951265
My diary desu. Which after I write a few books, I will make into a door stopper.

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21954913

Here's the answer

>> No.21955457

Bump