/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.21950333]

"Those far dark places..." Edition

Previous thread: >>21941208

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[Anonymous No.21950340]

Anyone read The Gap Cycle by S. Donaldson?

[Anonymous No.21950360]

So is there a market for this kind of stuff? Dark, less focused more difficult (compared to standard fantasy stuff) novels?

[Anonymous No.21950361]

>>21950333
What are those things?

[Anonymous No.21950363]

>i love my bf!
>but there's this other guy!
>who am I? what am I??
>omg what do I do with my life??????
>murders 300 soldiers for no reason cause she's angry and confused
peak woman moment

[Anonymous No.21950366]

>>21950361
Bakkerposters.

[Anonymous No.21950370]

>>21950360
Possibly me, what is complex about these?

[Anonymous No.21950373]

>>21950370
They're grim but also dark at the same time.

[Anonymous No.21950376]

>>21950363
Brando Sando makes millions off the limited attention span of pseuds and retards.

[Anonymous No.21950379]

>>21950373
Nevermind.

[Anonymous No.21950380]

>>21950363
Her impaling that one koloss in particular from the sky was pretty GAR. Or was that papa Venture?

[Anonymous No.21950422]

post cover arts from different countries
here's the japanese versions of Book of the New Sun by Yoshitaka Amano (most known for Final Fantasy illustrations) and Takeshi Obata (Death Note)

[Anonymous No.21950439]

What's your favourite Bakker quote?
Mine is:
And... We... Love... CUNNY...

[Anonymous No.21950443]

>>21950380
Papa Venture, which desu it was a cool anime kill but it should have been Elend killing his dad instead

[Anonymous No.21950446]

>>21950443
>Elend
>ever at any point having his balls drop
If only. What a horrendously shit character.

[Anonymous No.21950452]

>>21950446
He did face an army of koloss with the express purpose of getting himself pwned so the world could be saved though

[Anonymous No.21950458]

>>21950446
>>21950452
Also I can understand him never growing big balls when he had a psychotic bodyguard gf on 24 hour watch to destroy even mosquitos flying in his airspace

[Anonymous No.21950474]

First Locke Lamora book gave me these vibes.

[Anonymous No.21950481]

Just finished White Luck Warrior
Looks like meats back on the menu boys

[Anonymous No.21950487]

larry niven, the OG sci-fi coomer

[Anonymous No.21950537]

>The Judging Eye
>is a minor plot device that gets sidelined

>The White Luck Warrior
>does nothing and dies like a sack of shit

>The Great Ordeal
>has already been going on before this book anyway

>The Unholy Consult
>doesn't even really exist anymore when they reach it

What did Bakker mean by this?

[Anonymous No.21950540]

is the witcher books just a bunch of short stories?
started reading the first book last week and it's neat but doesn't seem to be one long story, more all over the place

[Anonymous No.21950541]

>>21950422
Those are amazing. Wtf is going on with western cover designs? We suck by comparison.

[Anonymous No.21950546]

>>21950439
Mine is:
>After cucking his gay lover, he rubbed the POO from his BUTTHOLE and SMEARED SHIT all over himself SEXUALLY. Then he looked upon them and said, “NOW I AM A GOD.”

Really deep and kino stuff

[Anonymous No.21950553]

>>21950540
Just the first two books. They’re also the best ones; the rest are more about politics and prophecy than monster hunting, and Geralt gets sidelined as the MC for Ciri.

[Anonymous No.21950560]

>>21950540
Once I got to blood of elves I started missing the short story format. Enjoy Last Wish and Sword of Destiny

[Anonymous No.21950562]

>>21950553
roger, i'll see if i feel like reading more when i'm done with book 1

[Anonymous No.21950576]

>>21950541
desu the western covers for BOTNS are pretty fucking good, these ones especially
but yeah, in general western cover arts fucking suck, at least the new books/printings. especially fuck covers with photoshopped real people in them, absolutely awful
japanese book covers especially are almost always great, they very often commission these pretty big artists to do illustrations for translated works. at the very least there's NEVER a real person photographed on the cover.

[Anonymous No.21950579]

>>21950553
I can see why Sapkowski was so asshurt by the success of the games. The writing team at CD did a better job at telling stories in the author’s world than he did. Lol

[Anonymous No.21950589]

>>21950439
>>21950546
This Bakker fellow sounds real nasty. I guess I should avoid his books.

[Anonymous No.21950602]

[Anonymous No.21950610]

Any anons have any good gaslamp fantasy recs? Bonus points if they have horror elements.

[Anonymous No.21950612]

Here's the Japanese covers for the ASOIAF books, fucking love them.

[Anonymous No.21950615]

Here are some Japanese volumes for Malazan. I wouldn't say the characters are accurate to how they're described, but I like the artstyle.

[Anonymous No.21950634]

>>21950615
No anime art for Salamander Rake?

[Anonymous No.21950650]

>>21950634

[Anonymous No.21950669]

>>21950650
nice

[Anonymous No.21950678]

>>21950333
I asked in the last thread and I will ask again. Any books that are similar to Fallout series?
Pic related inspired Fallout 1.

[Anonymous No.21950687]

>>21950541
you will get poorly photoshopped covers that unpaid interns made, and you will like it.

[Anonymous No.21950702]

>>21950678
Blood's a Rover by Harlan Ellison. There's a movie adaptation called A Boy And His Dog

[Anonymous No.21950760]

>>21950422
Conan Volume 1

[Anonymous No.21950764]

>>21950760
Volume 2

[Anonymous No.21950778]

>>21950422
Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser

[Anonymous No.21950789]

>>21950422
Some Jack Vance books.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.21950897]

>>21950333
A Debt to the Stars - Kevin Hincker (2023)

A Debt to the Stars is a self-published novel that is competently written. However, I believe it could've greatly benefitted from someone reining in the author's excesses and reminding them to focus on their strengths. As for its genre, it's a science fiction comedy thriller. There's aliens, fantastical technology, mysterious happenings, a foulmouthed comedic relief companion, villainous caricatures, blockchain explanations, financial dealings, lip service romance, and much that may be allegorical and/or ideological. Several have compared it to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is a decent comparison. That's not all it is though, and its lack of focus may have been to its detriment. Aside from the occasional infodumps about cryptocurrency, blockchain, financial dealings and similar, which were mildly reminiscent of the sort in Snow Crash, though not nearly done as well, this is mostly an action adventure thriller. As for the characters, well, they exist. The comedic companion carries a heavy load in that regard. The protagonist is mostly to drive the narrative forward.

The book also has some social science fiction aspects, mostly resulting from which the aliens provided to humanity. Augmentation and the obelisks alleviate the need for much, as humans no longer become senescent, gain regenerative capabilities, and have all their basic needs provided for. From a human perspective, it's a very robust welfare state, or even Luxury Communism. This is depicted as having been disastrous for humanity, which perhaps it could be, but I find the specifics presented here to be implausible. It reminded me in some ways of Brave New World or Childhood's End. Unfortunately, this is mostly reduced to that those born before Augmentation become obsessives and those afterwards are fearless, ignorant, and unproductive unless raised properly from birth. The antagonists are the capitalists, both of the human and alien variety. The human antagonist organization is very much a caricature, or satire, of market fundamentalist beliefs. Their goal is world domination to restore the capitalist regime and bring scarcity back to the world. The alien capitalists are more predatory, financially speaking.

This is the first book in an intended series. It's not my sort of comedy, the social aspects were disagreeable and implausible within their context, the economics were often nonsensical, and the ending was unacceptable in its plot convenience. Those who can ignore the details will probably enjoy this more than me. I can easily imagine a version of this book that I would've enjoyed much more. I hope the author heeds what seems to be the consensus opinion about what works and doesn't. The second may be far more pleasing to a wider audience by doing so.

I received this book from the author through NetGalley.

Rating: 2.5/5

[Anonymous No.21950901]

I read this book last week and it was really good. The premise is that British secret intelligence agents get locked in a secret Cold War fight with the communists over fallen angels/djinn that have infiltrated the electro-magnetic fields of radio communications and act as a sort of thought-virus that result in potentially lethally catastrophic breaches of the laws of physical reality. Very "Indiana Jones" aspect to it, sort of like James Bond combined with HP Lovecraft.
Anybody got other well-written and compelling supernatural spy fiction/political thrillers? Stuff with real research put into it, not cheap low-effort midwit crap like "oh all these famous characters throughout history are actually aliens/vampires/time travelers/god"

>>21950376
I'm fairly confident Sanderson doesn't attract intellectuals of any kind, especially not pseudo-intellectuals

[Anonymous No.21951055]

Mysteries bros, kino is finally back in the menu with chapters 108 and 109 and the end of vol. 1. I was worried at the beginning but now the hype is back, with more mysteries and weird shit happening

[Anonymous No.21951064]

Is this what football will look like in the future?
https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football

[Anonymous No.21951067]

>>21950370
Most people get filtered right here

[Anonymous No.21951079]

>>21950897
your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.21951084]

>>21950370
>>21950373
>>21950379
>>21951067
Bakker'sprose is the greatest in the genre
>Once again it was the pure thunder of the charge. The strange camaraderie of men bent to a single, fatal purpose. Hummocks, scrub, and the bones of the Vulgar Holy War’s dead rushed beneath. The wind bled through chain links, tousled Thunyeri braids and Tydonni crests. Bright banners slapped against the sky. The heathen, wicked and foul, drew closer, ever closer. One last storm of arrows, these ones almost horizontal to the ground, punching against shield and armour. Some were struck from their saddles. Tongue tips were bitten off in the concussion of the fall. The unhorsed arched across the turf, screamed and swatted at the sky. Wounded mounts danced in frothing circles nearby. The rest thundered on, over grasses, through patches of blooming milkwort waving in the wind. They couched their lances, twenty thousand men draped in great mail hauberks over thick felt, with coifs across their faces and helms that swept down to their cheeks, riding chargers caparisoned in mail or iron plates. The fear dissolved into drunken speed, into the momentum, became so mingled with exhilaration as to be indistinguishable from it. They were addicted to the charge, the Men of the Tusk. Everything focused into the glittering tip of a lance. The target nearer, nearer … The rumble of hooves and drums drowned their kinsmen’s song. They crashed through a thin screen of sumac …Saw eyes whiten in sudden terror. Then impact. The jarring splinter of wood as lances speared through shield, through armour. Suddenly the ground became still and solid beneath them, and the air rang with wails and shouts. Hands drew sword and axe. Everywhere figures grappled and hacked. Horses reared. Blades pitched blood into the sky. And the Kianene fell, undone by their ferocity, crumpling beneath northern hands, dying beneath pale faces and merciless blue eyes.The heathen recoiled from the slaughter—and fled

[Anonymous No.21951110]

>>21951084
derivative glib facsimile

[Anonymous No.21951122]

>>21951067
>>21951084
tied with erikson for the absolute worst place and people names in the genre

[Anonymous No.21951123]

>>21951110
>>21951122
As expected, most are immediately filtered.

[Anonymous No.21951127]

>>21951067
I just can't deal with all the silly made up names.
Tolkien's greatest feat is that he is readable and doesn't make you recoil from everyone having a full blown retarded sounding moron name

[Anonymous No.21951130]

>>21951122
I used to think David Eddings had the worst when I read Belgariad (Nadrak Yarblek? Are you shitting me?), but the sincerity of Eddings' work grows on you so you learn to look past it, but these tryhard postmodernist screeds full of pretentious amateur-linguist vomit make me appreciate the retarded pulp attitude a lot more. Very much a case of the midwit bell-curve.

[Anonymous No.21951135]

>>21951127
Probably because most of his names are grounded in real world languages and folklore, so they "make sense."

[Anonymous No.21951136]

>>21951130
>[buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords]

[Anonymous No.21951137]

>>21951135
>>21951130
a week or so ago someone was saying bakker drew on mesopotamian names or some such
idk if it's true but if it is, those mesopotamian assholes sure had fucking retarded names

[Anonymous No.21951142]

>>21951137
if it's true then he made a mistake

[Anonymous No.21951167]

>>21951123
>[buzzword]

[Anonymous No.21951175]

>>21951137
Nebuchadnezzar

[Anonymous No.21951183]

>>21950333
Well paced and engaging 'progression fantasy' when?

[Anonymous No.21951190]

>>21951137
he drew on Mesopotamian culture in about the same way Jurassic Park draws on Hellenistic culture, which is to say about as much as it takes to name a dinosaur Tyrannosaurus rex

[Anonymous No.21951215]

>>21950760
>>21950764
>>21950778
Those are badass. I really wish Japan did more art with strong and masculine characters.

[Anonymous No.21951262]

>>21951067
>anasurimbor ganrelka, high king of kuniuri
lemme just mash syllables together until it sounds fantasy enough

[Anonymous No.21951276]

>>21951262
ANONYMONGRUMBLOER, HIGH KING OF OREBOREO, HAS ARRIVED

[Anonymous No.21951308]

>>21950778
Damn that's Jun Suemi, he did the art for Brandish, Wizardry, Front Mission 2 and Rangoku.
>>21950678
Damnation Alley by Zelazny
>>21950650
>Skinny Tattersail
Erikson's gonna freak

[Anonymous No.21951343]

>>21950678
>Fallout 1 starts in Southwest
>this book is in Southwest
>>21951308
>Damnation Alley
>Southern California
What's with nuclear post apocalypse and American Southwest?

[Anonymous No.21951429]

>>21950363
leave... my wife.,.. ALONE

[Anonymous No.21951575]

Name FIVE good female sff authors that aren't Ursula le guin

[Anonymous No.21951578]

>>21951429
Your wife is a footslut

[Anonymous No.21951587]

>>21951343
They crave a reboot to settler days.

[Anonymous No.21951597]

>>21951575
I liked Black Sun Rising by C.S. Friedman. Dragonlance and Dragonriders of Pern is good too.

[Anonymous No.21951598]

>>21950333
So any of you read Kane by Karl Edward Wagner here? So far I only red the novel trilogy, I'm just starting the short stories. Both Bloodstone and Darkness Weaves were great but I thought Black Crusade was kind of a let down.

[Anonymous No.21951608]

>>21950422
Spanish hardcover editions of Clark Ashton Smith stories.
1/3

[Anonymous No.21951617]

>>21951608
2/3

[Anonymous No.21951620]

>>21951575
C. Dale Brittain
Lois McMaster Bujold
Mercedes Lackey (not a huge fan of her work but her actual writing style is extremely pleasant)
Holly Lisle
Teresa Frohock (only just started this author, prose is good and the premise is really great but I'll need to wait til I've finished the book for a final decision)

[Anonymous No.21951623]

>>21951608
3/3

[Anonymous No.21951633]

>>21951620
I was surprised to see bujold won 4 Hugo's. Shes never recommended hardly. I might check those out

[Anonymous No.21951637]

>>21951575
Lois Mcmaster Bujold
Susanna Clarke
Megan Whalen Turner
Connie Willis
Diana Wynne Jones

[Anonymous No.21951689]

>>21951575
Zenna Henderson
Irmtraud Morgner
Mary Renault
Enheduanna
Evelyn Waugh

[Anonymous No.21951705]

>>21951689
>>21951637
>>21951620
you are just making up names
my favorite female author is Patricia Lemmings

[Anonymous No.21951742]

>>21950333
Ohhhh myyyyyy...

[Anonymous No.21951743]

>>21951608
>>21951617
>>21951623
Kino

[Anonymous No.21951746]

>>21950333
>/biz/ idea: every character sings a song at some point

[Anonymous No.21951757]

>>21951746
what if everyone had a lil jam sesh and started rapping hot bars

[Anonymous No.21951765]

>>21951757
>T-bombadollar spittin his rhymes
He would be so much better than all the others

[Anonymous No.21951822]

>>21951598
Yes
one of the greatest and most underrated S&S characters ever written
And yeah dark crusade kind of pales in comparison to bloodstone and darkness weaves. but the short stories is where kane shines best, night winds is great and so is death angel's shadow

[Anonymous No.21951864]

>>21950422
some french edition of new sun

[Anonymous No.21951865]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.21951880]

>>21951864
Sauce on the artist?

[Anonymous No.21951883]

>>21951865
Bot post.

[Anonymous No.21951886]

>>21951880
looks like Guillaume Sorel

[Anonymous No.21951892]

>>21951883
Remember to report spambots.

[Anonymous No.21951905]

>>21951575
Melanie Rawn (My wife)
Kate Elliot (also my wife)
C.J Cherryh
Joanna Russ
Mercedes Lackey
Bonus: Jane Gaskell (Psycho femcel)

[Anonymous No.21951931]

>>21951880
>>21951886
yep

[Anonymous No.21951939]

>>21951598
ill check it out, but impossible to buy, have to go on ebay.
know if there will be any new prints of kane in the future, like that single volume conan collection?

[Anonymous No.21951942]

>>21951931
to be honest I just looked at the artist's signature at the bottom right of the image

[Anonymous No.21951945]

>>21950363
Is the full mistborn series worth reading? I’m like 200 pages into the first Stormlight book and I think I’m liking it so far

[Anonymous No.21951952]

>>21950422
Finnish ASOIAF

[Anonymous No.21951954]

>>21950422
Japanese ASOIAF

[Anonymous No.21951971]

>>21951952
You're mistaken, ASOIAF will never be finished.

[Anonymous No.21951975]

>>21951954
Whats with japanese covers always being so shit

[Anonymous No.21951976]

>>21950610
I think the Scar by China Meiville kind of counts as that

[Anonymous No.21951982]

>>21950333
>We're going on an adventure
This thing was unironically my favorite character. The octopuses are cool but I fucking loved the little microbe thing getting extremely excited about the "spaces within spaces". It actually made me lol

[Anonymous No.21951985]

>>21950610
Fevre Dream?

[Anonymous No.21951987]

>>21951742
This is the one that makes me go "oh myyy"

[Anonymous No.21951999]

>>21951954
you're late >>21950612

[Anonymous No.21952033]

>>21950422
Spanish editions of the Lyonesse trilogy.

[Anonymous No.21952067]

>>21950678
The Boy and His Dog (the closest one to the original Fallout concept)
Dinner at Deviant's Palace (the closest one in a post-apocalyptic adventure in California feel)
Lucifer's Hammer
Dr. Bloodmoney
Deus Irae
Postman

[Anonymous No.21952145]

>>21951575
Alex Aster
Sarah J Maas
Stephanie Meyer
Tyra Banks
Lani Sarem

[Anonymous No.21952156]

>>21950612
Dany? Jon.
Arya. Ygritte? Maybe Sansa?
Sam. Catelyn? Tyrion.
Cersei. Jamie.
Dany. Bran. Jon.

[Anonymous No.21952177]

>>21950422
I really fuck with these specific Brazilian covers for the Foundation series

[Anonymous No.21952181]

>>21951883
>>21951886
Remember to read Wandering Inn.

[Anonymous No.21952185]

>>21952177
>>21950422
The newer ones are less cool IMO (but they make up for it by having a cute girl)

[Anonymous No.21952191]

>>21952181
why are you like this?

[Anonymous No.21952267]

>>21950422
Iranian edition of Elric of Melnibone

[Anonymous No.21952277]

>>21952181
Nah. I'll read that one anon's story that had a cute girl on the cover where he asked which cover was better

[Anonymous No.21952291]

the wandering inn's author doesn't reveal gender and has a cartoon girl avatar, so that means it's a dude, right?

[Anonymous No.21952330]

>There better not be any s*x in that heckin' book

[Anonymous No.21952333]

>>21952291
Afaik he's called Noah, his named appeared on the credits of one of the spin-off novels

[Anonymous No.21952342]

>>21950446
Elend had the best arc of the whole series with the most memorable 'heroic' moment in all cosmere at the end of book 3.

[Anonymous No.21952343]

>>21952291
he's an AGP

[Anonymous No.21952368]

Is there a book series like x-files but with more research and talking and less action?

[Anonymous No.21952371]

>>21952291
She's either a dude or a middle-aged housewife

[Anonymous No.21952391]

>>21952371
his name is Noah James

[Anonymous No.21952392]

>>21952291
It seems a publisher site for a graphic novel revealed his real name. Guess they wouldn't let him type Pirateaba into the form

[Anonymous No.21952811]

>>21952392
>his

[Anonymous No.21952871]

Name the trilogy

[Anonymous No.21952902]

>>21951689
Waugh really was a bitchy cunt, wasn't she?

[Anonymous No.21952931]

>>21952871
Three body problem

[Anonymous No.21953146]

I really enjoyed The Lions of Al-Rassan. It was exactly what I was looking for in historical fiction.
Wasn't that hard to follow on audiobook, and I'm going to see if Under Heaven is as enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.21953165]

>>21953146
cute

[Anonymous No.21953206]

>>21953146
I don't think it's accurate to call it "historical fiction" since it takes place in a parallel world that is inspired by the real world but does not correspond to it
however I hear much praise for Guy Gavriel Kay's work within that world, especially about the Sarantine Mosaic

[Anonymous No.21953256]

>>21952067
Thanks for suggestions.

[Anonymous No.21953414]

>>21953146
my nigga you gotta read arbonne

[Anonymous No.21953422]

>>21950333
Dying Earth? More like Raping Earth.

[Anonymous No.21953459]

>>21953422
For me, it's T'sais.

[Anonymous No.21953480]

>>21952931
TBP would be 2 > 3 > 1
Death's End is a bit retarded at times and the ending falls flat unless this is literally your first time considering heat death of the universe, but its still way better than the first book that only has like 2-3 characterized characters + faceless tabula rasa self insert protagonist Wang Miao.

[Anonymous No.21953500]

>>21953459
That's what she said

[Anonymous No.21953513]

>dragon paints the sunset
>dragon touches the painting

[Anonymous No.21953533]

>>21953500
Heh

[Anonymous No.21953540]

>>21952033
nice covers but maduoc looks far too old

[Anonymous No.21953592]

>>21952330
I hate how basic the stormlight books are and how popular they are

[Anonymous No.21953663]

>>21952267
isnt this haram in islam nation?

[Anonymous No.21953809]

>>21951945
It's fun, jus expect generally shitty prose
The second era is pretty different, more industrial age cops and secret organizations than magic noblemen and tyrants, but still pretty cool

[Anonymous No.21953913]

>>21953663
no, the quran allows you to show depictions of elric

[Anonymous No.21953981]

Why haven't you written your own fantasy novel yet, Anon?

[Anonymous No.21953986]

>>21953981
For the same reason I haven't recorded any music, hand built my own guitars, made my own videogames
Lots of ideas, zero drive

[Anonymous No.21954000]

>>21953981
Because my shitty writing skills are not good enough to express the ideas in my head.

[Anonymous No.21954006]

>>21954000
that didn't stop jk rowling and she's almost a billionaire

[Anonymous No.21954015]

/sffg/, it's the last day for BookDepository, they're shutting it down tomorrow. I already got 25 different books last week from it, anything else essential you'd recommend?

[Anonymous No.21954020]

>>21954015
there are other ways to buy books you clown

[Anonymous No.21954036]

>>21953981
I'm working on it, still coming to grips with the fact that it will be severely underappreciated in my lifetime but that's okay
It's going to be one of the greatest novels the genre has ever seen, not just a great fantasy novel but a great novel in general

[Anonymous No.21954039]

>>21954020
BD was good for me because I live in Serbia and when I ordered books from them I was never charged shipping or any extra taxes, regardless of how much book I ordered at once. Obviously, I will now have to find different online stores that offer the same, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Anonymous No.21954045]

>>21951167
Coming from the guy who used three

[Anonymous No.21954048]

>>21950610
I'd almost say Lord of the Mysteries but honestly it doesn't do the vibe of gaslamp very well and is more like a take on the nobility at the time.
I recall one of the "Infinity Genre" (one overarching world plot, multiple smaller genre world visits) chinese novels had a very good one of those, but it only went on for like two hundred chapters before it went back to other stuff. Carefree Path of Dreams I think it was?

[Anonymous No.21954055]

>>21951055
I thought Mysteries 2 was only up to chapter 96 so far?

[Anonymous No.21954057]

>>21951190
You fucking fool. You fucking idiot. You stinking moron. The Greeks rode to battle on the fucking back of Dinosaurs, and when not at war lived harmoniously side by side with them.

It's literally the reason the Greeks invented the word "DINOTOPIA" you necessary suicide.

[Anonymous No.21954069]

>>21954057
Hand stained with maple syrup wrote this post.

[Anonymous No.21954073]

How are the Folio Society editions of the Book of the New Sun?

[Anonymous No.21954079]

>>21954073
Expensive and tasteless, as usual.

[Anonymous No.21954082]

>>21954079
Really? I have no experience with Folio editions of any books, I was just looking up some BOTNS hardcover editions and came across those.

[Anonymous No.21954083]

>>21954057
I believe this.
Those theories they have on how phallanx warfare might have really looked are so clownish when you consider it really only makes sense in the context of combat involving large lizards

[Anonymous No.21954088]

>>21954082
Specifically in the case of BOTNS I feel like having explicit pictures of the 'science' side of the science-fantasy takes away from what should be pieced together in the mind of the reader, as making those connections is part of the pleasure in reading it. And even having read it multiple times it just feels crude and defeats the point of the book.

[Anonymous No.21954106]

>>21951575
Ursula LeGuin sucks balls and is only pushed by the same old TRUFAN convention cliques.

Actually good women authors are:
Leigh Brackett who is a superb writer.
Kaoru Kurimoto whose Guin Saga is good.
Margaret St. Clair for the Sign of the Labrys.
C. L. Moore's Jirel of Joiry isn't bad.
Andre (Alice) Norton for her Witch World.

[Anonymous No.21954107]

>>21953480
atleast wang was a net zero influence on the story, fucking xi or whatever her name was made every single wrong decision because muh love for humanity. also her rival the Wen? guy was the most mary sue character of all time, his motivation is also completely unclear as he was ready to kill her to save humanity but then later he wasnt ready to even just defy her? though the first book did spend an unbelievable amount of time in a literally empty world so eh could go either way

[Anonymous No.21954110]

>>21954088
True, I imagine the part where Severian comes across the painting of an astronaut would be wasted if given the visuals up front rather than just reading and imagining what he's looking at.

>The picture he was cleaning showed an armored figure standing in a desolate landscape. It had no weapon, but held a staff bearing a strange, stiff banner.

>The visor of this figure's helmet was entirely of gold, without eye slits or ventilation; in its polished surface the deathly desert could be seen in reflection, and nothing more.

>This warrior of a dead world affected me deeply, though I could not say why or even just what emotion it was I felt. In some obscure way, I wanted to take down the picture and carry it - not into our necropolis but into one of those mountain forests of which our necropolis was (as I understood even then) an idealized but vitiated image. It should have stood among trees, the edge of its frame resting on young grass.

[Anonymous No.21954127]

>>21951183
>Well paced and engaging 'progression fantasy' when?
People would moan about the story being bloated before the MC even felt like he made progress, then. Not to mention that well paced and engaging progression fantasy implies party-based progression to me.

[Anonymous No.21954144]

>>21953913
Alhamdulillah

[Anonymous No.21954275]

I'm trying to find a book that I read, but I don't know what to search for and I don't know where else to ask, so I figured I'd pay you guys a visit.

I think it was by Asimov, and it's about a really fucking stressed-out space hauler or miner in a rust-bucket, flying solo even though he really shouldn't be flying solo, and all his trials and tribulations centered mostly around a specific space station, if memory serves.

He's got like what I'd describe as PTSD (but that is never describe in the book) and his family dying and shit like that, and I think the whole thing ends with him signing on with this other "family" and getting a crew again and whatnot, after meeting some woman.

Ring any bells to anyone?

[Anonymous No.21954285]

>>21953981
I have but nobody wants to read it

[Anonymous No.21954306]

>>21954110
New fans aren't buying folio editions of BotNS. They're for people who already know all of that shit and want a pretty book.

[Anonymous No.21954327]

>>21954275
Doesn't sound like Asimov at all, but rather something like Gateway by Frederik Pohl

[Anonymous No.21954335]

>>21953986
Come on Anon, pick one and stick with it you have greatness in you!

>>21954000
You only getting better at writing by writing, Anon!

>>21954036
I look forward to reading your novel Anon

>>21954285
Tell us Anon, what is your novel about?

[Anonymous No.21954341]

not again
this isn't the writing thread.

[Anonymous No.21954408]

Time to post the
>last book you read
>current book you're reading
>next book you plan to read

>Consider Phlebas and Corpse Factory
>The Player of Games
>Maybe The Use of Weapons

[Anonymous No.21954428]

>>21954408
>last book you read
Artemis Fowl 8
>current book you're reading
Alternating between Fellowship of The Ring and The Way of Kings
>next book you plan to read
Probably The Two Towers

[Anonymous No.21954471]

>>21954408
>last book
Oathbringer
>Current
Gardens of the Moon
>Next
Deadhouse Gates

[Anonymous No.21954483]

>>21954408
>last
Alien: River of Pain
>current
Alien: Out of the Shadows
>next
All the Alien novels, including all the Aliens omnibuses

[Anonymous No.21954513]

>>21954408
>last book you read
Revelation Space - I liked it and am gonna read the other books by Reynolds.
>current book you're reading
Sabriel - I never thought I would ever really enjoy reading a book with a female protagonist, but here we are. Wish there was more info on the Old Kingdom though, maybe it does talk about it further in.
>next book you plan to read
Silmarillion - I want to reread it as it's been a while.

[Anonymous No.21954518]

>>21951137
I've recently read Bakker and this became my favorite author. Made me look intro the crusades and I was shocked how similar the first crusade is to the first holy war. Concerning the mesopotamian names here are some examples.
>Namtar means Pestilence, it is also the most cruel of demons
>Ea means the Earth
>Nin-Gélal is the lady of countries/land (Dame des Pays in french)
>Nin-dar is a strong warrior, and also a god
The stairs with the seven steps is also a mesopotamian figure which represent the path the souls take in the afterlife. I'm pretty sure there's emphasis on the stairs at the end of the UC in the golden room.
While we're talking names, Golgotterath is based on the hill the christ was crucified on, Golgotha (If like me you don't know anything about theology and are trying to learn about it).

[Anonymous No.21954521]

>>21953981
I’m too distracted by video games and women.

[Anonymous No.21954535]

>>21954513
Sabriel is a great femprotag and mogs most other women protags.

[Anonymous No.21954547]

>>21954107
Thing is, Chiang Xin is completely justified in her actions, its just that she didn't get the memo that she is a character in a doom-dark novel. Her not activating the signal was the correct choice in that situation - like literally why would you assume that a civilization, which with word of the author capital T Truth was described as getting humanized and egalitarian, choose to do le funni Australia Jewish ghetto? Far better to just let everyone live and have humanity become the secondary species of Earth, instead of blowing Earth up. Not to say that it isn't infuriating, but the actual idiots are humanity, not her. For both making this fucking idiotic system where the entire first strike depended on a single person (Trisolarans would literally win the second the Swordholder would get a natural health emergency), and for then failing to keep in mind that if you do need a new Swordholder, it can only be a dead-eyed psycho. As for the second decision to refuse Wades plan, that was also correct from her point of view at the time - would you really risk a psycho blowing up 99% of humanity in order to give humanity FTL, that, at least from your current knowledge, is not necessary for humanities survival? Again, the only reason it was a dumb move was because a) it's a dark novel and b) because humanity was too stupid to figure out the existence of a dual vector foil, thus the belief that it was already saved.

[Anonymous No.21954557]

>>21954428
Are you a sooner?

[Anonymous No.21954566]

>>21954408
>last read
The Night Land by William Hope Hodgson
>currently reading
Conan The Barbarian Omnibus by Robert E Howard
>plan to read
The Wizard Knight by Gene Wolfe

[Anonymous No.21954569]

>>21954557
I don't know, what's a sooner?

[Anonymous No.21954573]

>>21954569
>inb4 phoneposting
I meant zoomer

[Anonymous No.21954574]

>newfag phoneposter uses newfagisms
#whoa

[Anonymous No.21954580]

>>21954573
If you were wondering why I was reading Artemis Fowl at 31 it was for nostalgia's sake since I read those books when I was a kid
And I never read LOTR because, dunno why, but better late than never

[Anonymous No.21954585]

>>21954518
>likes poopoo gay sex book
Hard pass for me, lad.

[Anonymous No.21954589]

>>21954408
>>last book you read
last castle by vance
great vance novel, extremely entertaining and humorous as usual. also very short and sweet and surprisingly compelling for something so short

>>current book you're reading
lord demon by zelazny. zelazny writes well and it's a very creative story. according to my kindle i'm 67% in and after a bit of a slump the plot progression has picked up again. but before that slump it was a real page turner, always something interesting happening.

>>next book you plan to read
this immortal by zelazny or maybe the broken sword if i want to take a break from zelazny, because i'm also listening to chronicles of amber on audiobook (i've read it before and i can't be arsed to reread)

[Anonymous No.21954598]

>>21954574
I’ve been lurking and posting on 4chan since 2008. I’m phone posting because I do not have access to my PC at the moment. Also, zoomer is simply a contemporary term, whether you accept it or not.

[Anonymous No.21954602]

>>21951084
It's driving me crazy finding a fantasy book after Bakker bros. WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE

[Anonymous No.21954612]

>>21954335
>Tell us Anon, what is your novel about?
I don't think my synopsis is good enough nor is my first chapter.

>Adah Phenric took a vow to protect the world from any threats when she took an oath as a Knight of Valora. All was well until she and her team were sent on a routine mission to hunt a monster, but things go awry and Adah finds herself to be the sole survivor. Unconvinced her comrades are dead, she ventures out into the world to uncover the reasons for their disappearance. Coming in contact with a mysterious merchant, her investigation leads her to uncover a plot that threatens the world and discover the nature of the Goddess herself. Armed with nothing but her wits, friends, and a bit of magic, Adah commits to bringing the culprits to justice. For duty binds all.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67568/a-knight-of-valora-serenity

[Anonymous No.21954619]

>>21954566
what'd you think of the night land? did you read the original or a story retold? i read story retold and loved it, instantly became one of my favorites and i've been on the fence about reading the original

[Anonymous No.21954623]

>>21954602
Just read different genres. He basically "solved" dark fantasy, grimdark, as genres. No one comes close. There are, of course, different genres telling different stories with different tones, but if you go into them thinking "why isn't this the greatest dark fantasy series every written" then you are obviously going to have a bad time.

[Anonymous No.21954626]

>>21954513
you read the first book in a series and you like it but you don't read the second book as your next book or even as the one after that?

[Anonymous No.21954637]

>>21954626
To be fair, Sabriel is a better female character than any cardboard woman in Revelation Space was. One may argue that RS women are more realistic

[Anonymous No.21954662]

what do we think of MCs who never wanted to be heroes but reluctantly embrace their duty and responsibility when they become blessed or cursed with great powers in a time of crisis

[Anonymous No.21954674]

>>21954637
ilya was good, both in revelation space and pushing ice, but i forgot what the character was called in pushing ice
but agreed on just about every other female character. during a recent revisit of the series, by far the worst part of it all was the atrociously dull, melodramatic and drawn out plot about the girl who pilots her father's space ship but the ai in the space ship is her father's friend's personality. oh my god what the fuck was reynolds thinking with that monstrously boring plot line that goes literally nowhere.

[Anonymous No.21954683]

They should just ban female MCs

[Anonymous No.21954696]

>>21954408
>last book you read
The Avatar: Tantras
>current book you're reading
The Paladins: The Old Ways
>next book you plan to read
Forest Walker - A Chance Encounter

[Anonymous No.21954767]

>>21954573
woahh someone was gonna call you out for posting on your phone better inb4 to make up for it. what a terrible thing to be accused of

[Anonymous No.21954771]

>>21954408
>Last book
Bloodsong by Melvin Burgess, finished it about 30 minutes ago.
>Current book
Blue Moon (Anita Blake #8) by Laurell Hamilton
>Next book
The Traitor Baru Cormorant by Seth Dickinson once I can pick it up from the library.

[Anonymous No.21954776]

>>21951939
Just spend $400 on the Night Shade version lol. It's not popular enough for a conan style mass production

[Anonymous No.21954797]

>>21954408
>Last book
Before They Are Hanged, Mort
>Current Book
Last Argument of Kings
>Next Book
Not sure, I think I want a break before going into the first law standalones, thinking either Lovecraft Country or the first Black Company book

[Anonymous No.21954799]

>>21950422
>>21950576
>>21951864
>>21954073
>>21954110
Stand back, plebs

[Anonymous No.21954853]

>>21951598
>>21951822
>>21954776

last thread i called kane a cuckold, and i want to apologize. i had a brain fart and thought you meant caine by matthew stover. i only realized i was wrong when anon said he paid 400$ and it occurred to me that there isn't a single person on earth who would pay 400$ for that caine.
i am adding this kane to my list of books to read

[Anonymous No.21954869]

>>21954853
i accept your apology

[Anonymous No.21954876]

>>21951939
>know if there will be any new prints of kane in the future, like that single volume conan collection?
unforunately the KEW estate is dedicated to only ever letting kane get reprinted in expensive hardcover collections instead of cheap paperbacks
get lucky on ebay and you can snatch them up, the frazetta covers are the most expensive but the UK editions are cheaper even though their covers are shit
>tfw we never got the kane comic book that was promised

[Anonymous No.21954883]

>>21954876
sounds cheaper just buying the original frazetta paintings

[Anonymous No.21954935]

>>21954626
>you read the first book in a series and you like it but you don't read the second book as your next book or even as the one after that?
I tend to mix up books like that all the time. No idea why, it's just been that ways since I started reading books when I was a kid.

[Anonymous No.21954939]

>>21954799
What is that? The comic?

[Anonymous No.21954940]

>>21954876

[Anonymous No.21954951]

>>21954939
yes. 90s comic only made three issues before being canceled. The art inside looks like sandman

[Anonymous No.21954957]

>>21954951
I think I might have it saved somewhere on my PC, but it'd take a while to dig up.

[Anonymous No.21955044]

>want to get Bakker's books related to the Second Apocalypse series
>only the first three books have good cover art
>the Aspect Emperor has some shitty photoshop faces in circles theme going on
What was he thinking?

[Anonymous No.21955058]

>>21950576
I would have probably loved this book when I was younger.
Now, I believe that our sun is electric, and it will never die in the sense that it runs out of fuel ala the nuclear furnace of teh sun. That is simply not correct, so I would then have to place teh book into pure fantasy with a false premise right off the bat. Too bad, cuz I am sure it is good.

[Anonymous No.21955120]

>>21954602
Is Bakker really that good? I’ve heard he has some weird content in his stories (weird I’m not a good way).

[Anonymous No.21955141]

>>21955120
yes he has groos shit in his book but also yes, he's quite good. but the series isn't finished and probably never will be.

[Anonymous No.21955144]

>>21955120
dumb phoneposter

[Anonymous No.21955145]

>>21954619
I read the original. The archaic language was a little obtuse at first, but once the story entered the more sci-fi and romantic elements, I found that Hodgson’s prose really shined. As for the story itself, I thought the setting was fascinating and the main plot was genuinely engaging. My only complaint is that I wish there was more to the ending than a simple happily ever after. I wish Hodgson expanded more on the details of the night land and revealed a few more secrets about it.

[Anonymous No.21955173]

>>21954518
>dude look at this copy and paste linguistics
>so impressive

[Anonymous No.21955189]

Wasn't expecting A Thousand Li book 8 to be a murder mystery novel desu. Plus Wu Ying isn't even good at being a detective.

[Anonymous No.21955222]

Tourist here, I've been searching for Dr. Adder (Jeter, Bluejay Books 1984) in decent condition that doesn't cost fucking $50.
Why is it that book seems so "popular" all of a sudden I have two copies in barely acceptable condition and paid $8 for both of them combined.
Anyone know a bookstore that has old scifi books and ships overseas? Already searched for hours but Google is dogshit nowadays anyway.

[Anonymous No.21955226]

Just Finished volume 6 of the Wandering Inn. Pretty good overall, despite it being the first volume since the first that I'd consider having "bad" chapters.
I really liked the Witch chapters, and all of the stuff with Niers was really neat. The Fight against the crelers was a bit too anime and power of friendship for my taste, but I've already accepted that stakes are a myth and consequences are a joke, so it's not that bad.

[Anonymous No.21955249]

When do the conan books get good? I'm about halfway through the coming of conan and it's extremely boring.

[Anonymous No.21955253]

>>21955249
Have t read that. I’ve read the first hundred pages of the omnibus though, and that’s pretty good. Why don’t you try just reading REH’s short stories first?

[Anonymous No.21955294]

>>21955058
Good thing the sun in the story isn't dying because it is old but because it has been tampered with by an insane ruler Also, all of "sci fi" is fantasy, especially ones that take place in space. Space is fake and gay.

[Anonymous No.21955327]

>>21955249
Some of the best conan stories are in the first half of coming of conan. If you're not into by now maybe it's just not for you.

[Anonymous No.21955386]

>>21955249
you have to read boring books, bad books, trash books to really enjoy the good ones.

[Anonymous No.21955408]

>>21955294
Good thing the son in the story isn't dying because it is old but because it's the book of the new son, the spelling changed over time like with Urth because Severian is the second coming of Jesus who dies and is reborn again, etc etc more biblical stuff

[Anonymous No.21955417]

>>21953592
>gay witchcraft
>apple fag
checks out

[Anonymous No.21955445]

>>21955408
I agree. Wolfe is the goat

[Anonymous No.21955446]

Honest question: are there genuinely great sci-fi books? I have started reading some "classic" sci-fi books this year (Ender's Game, Starship Troopers, Foundation, Neuromancer, etc.) and if they are supposed to be the best i cannot even fathom how bad the average sci-fi book is. Who are the Peake, Dunsany, Tolkien, etc. of the sci-fi genre?

[Anonymous No.21955452]

>>21955226
i thought it was neat.
btw, did you see the drake raid coming? or the way the arc ended? i thought that arc was well structured in how it was leading the reader's attention and focus.

[Anonymous No.21955456]

>>21955446
read Dick

[Anonymous No.21955461]

>>21955446
Well there are "sci fi" classics like Hyperion which are more so fantasy. People seem to love it or hate it. And then there are more modern "hard sci fi" like Peter Watts Blindsight. Prose is usually second to high concept and other crap and probably why not loved as much as Peake, etc.

I would pick Wolfe's The Fifth Head of Cerberus as a generally great sci fi story.

[Anonymous No.21955491]

>>21955461
Why is there a jet propelled penis there?

[Anonymous No.21955495]

>>21955189
>xianxia written by a canadian
Is it any good?
I'm a bit wary of anyone westernized writing xianxia.

[Anonymous No.21955501]

>>21955491

[Anonymous No.21955505]

>>21955491
Why wouldn't there be?

[Anonymous No.21955507]

>>21955495
it's a gook who was born in china
he immolated his career by copyrighting the term "system apocalypse" and having books by other authors with that phrase in the title removed from amazon for a short time

[Anonymous No.21955508]

>>21955189
>reading and supporting Tao Wong after the stunt he pulled
I thought everyone was boycotting that faggot? His works isn't even good. He writes literal doormat cucks (In the system apocalypse case) and long wordy novels that lead to nothing (in the thousand li case).

[Anonymous No.21955520]

>>21954612
I'll give it a shot.

[Anonymous No.21955528]

>>21955501
Based Jodo, incal is more Kino than Dune

[Anonymous No.21955539]

>>21955495
Tao Wong comes off as very self-important in the text but it's the comfiest xianxia story.
>>21955508
I've never paid for a book what do I care? Also shitting on redditors is always a plus to me.

[Anonymous No.21955545]

>>21955446
To be honest i've never been very impressed by any supposedly "hard" science fiction much less the social masturbation stuff like Banks and Pulp is peak sf in my view.
Jack Vance's Emphyrio, the Demon Princes, Planet of Adventure and some shorts like the Moon Moth are all good reads.
Then there's Roger Zelazny's Lords of Light, Alfred Bester's The Demolished Man (and The Stars My Destination), Leigh Brackett's Sea Kings of Mars, Lindsay's A Voyage to Arcturus (for all it's many flaws), Hiero's Journey to name a few.
I guess if you want something roughly literary there's A Canticle for Leibowitz or Jules Verne's stories.

[Anonymous No.21955549]

>>21955507
>it's a gook who was born in china
Doesn't really matter if they're writing with westernized mindset in mind though. I don't care if it's a white guy writing it I just don't want to start having all the trappings of nu-western shit to infest it midstory. Got burned more than once trying to read 'originals' on webnovel.

[Anonymous No.21955573]

>>21955120
In a fantasy world where blonde haired blue eyes hyperboreans being ubermensch build the greatest societies with gender roles where women are soil for seed with a heavy focus on biological determinism, you start to understand why /lit/ sucks off bakker so much. Don't fall for it.

[Anonymous No.21955585]

He's talking about wandering inn with spoiler tags as if we're gonna read 12 million words of unedited drivel written by an obese dude pretending to be a woman

[Anonymous No.21955586]

>>21955120
No

[Anonymous No.21955590]

>>21954483
>Alien: Out of the Shadows
so much better than the other books in the trilogy.

[Anonymous No.21955597]

>>21955446
Try reading Poul Anderson and Jack Vance if you're looking for genuinely great classic pulp sci-fi.
You should also read some "new wave" sci-fi like J. G. Ballard or Harlan Ellison.

[Anonymous No.21955608]

>>21955586
>has unfinished series on her shelf cause she doesn't have matching height hardbacks
jej

[Anonymous No.21955637]

>>21955586
Why?

[Anonymous No.21955638]

>>21955573
>/lit/
It's one dude.

[Anonymous No.21955681]

What are some things you like seeing when reading a fantasy book, and what things you don't?

[Anonymous No.21955693]

>New chapter
>Severian is knocked unconcious yet again

This is retroactively ruining the first four books for me.

[Anonymous No.21955717]

>>21955693
Urth is weird until the spaceship bullshit is over. I almost dropped it, but after that is just as good as the rest.

[Anonymous No.21955719]

>>21955573
>/lit/ sucks off bakker so much
It's always the same guy shilling it

[Anonymous No.21955730]

For some reason I felt a severe melancholy after seeing a Harlan's Watching episode on YouTube (the one in which Ellison mourns the passing of Asmov). The realization that almost all the authors of the New Wave are no longer around and how science-fiction literature has become less and less relevant in our times did resurface.
I even found myself visiting Harlan's old website which is pretty much a time capsule.
http://harlanellison.com/home.htm
I am not sure if this nostalgia and melancholy is due the lack of authors that are similar in character as those who became iconic in their respective eras or just me having an existential crisis due finding that this type of narrative had lost all its sense of wonder and cultural relevancy.

[Anonymous No.21955734]

>>21955693
>he doesn't know that every time Severian gets "knocked unconscious" he actually dies. And that he has died over and over again throughout the series.

[Anonymous No.21955745]

>>21955734
Holy...kino
Picked the fuck up

[Anonymous No.21955951]

>>21955730
Harlan and Asimov both have pretty strong indications that they were pedos. That whole convention clique from that part of the country is highly suspect since they were running in circles that included openly pederastic Breen & Bradley Zimmer yet no one said anything until her daughter openly accused them of it, with most of them writing some bullshit about free love (would not be surprised to find more names get named in time like McCaffrey who also defended an affiliated pedo or Le Guin), Ellison's ardent defense of dragoncon multiple-arrested child molesting pedophile Ed Kramer, Asimov's son being caught as one of the largest child porn collectors in California despite having no income and only living off as stipend from his father.
If you want actual writers to look up to, for whatever reason, look outside those godforsaken convention cliques as even a cursory glance behind the curtain is rife with horrific shit.

[Anonymous No.21956109]

>>21955951
Asimov literally gropped a 15yo girl in a con

[Anonymous No.21956135]

>>21956109
This is what a 15 year old looks like in America?
No wonder people get jailed for fucking underage children in the USA if your 15 year olds look like 20 something.

[Anonymous No.21956144]

>>21956135
with the amount of alcohol and tobacco being pushed into kids' systems in the middle of the 20th century, Americans looked like 40 year olds before they were out of their teens

[Anonymous No.21956224]

>>21956109
15-year-old girls are built to be maximally arousing.

[Anonymous No.21956232]

>>21956224
t. Asimov's son

[Anonymous No.21956247]

>>21956224
Attractiveness in both sexes peaks at around 20-22

[Anonymous No.21956259]

>>21956247
Looking to settle down?

[Anonymous No.21956281]

>>21956259
I'm much too insane for that, I just think it should be stated for the record that people are most attractive at around 20-22. It is the period where they stop having the vaguely deformed puffy look teenagers have but before aging sets in. Provided they are healthy they will have a kind of glow and well defined but not gaunt features. It is also the age of peak fertility for both sexes, most likely to successfully produce healthy children

[Anonymous No.21956312]

>>21956135
>>21956144
>>21956224
>>21956259
Some of this may be true on a biological level, but this isn’t 1910 anymore, fellas. Our life expectancy is higher, life experiences are different, and our education system is worse. Nobody is getting married at age 12-20 anymore, and young people are too mentally immature to engage in an honest relationship like that (not to mention that the adults who desire it are likely not doing so out of genuine affections). It’s not like it would have been in the old west or the dust bowl, where kids had to learn how to fend for themselves early on or die - or have their old family members die. Economic wealth in the early 20th century allowed parents take responsibility over their kids lives longer, then that role was replaced by the state. If anything, we now have generations of adults and young adults who have never grown up, and the age of childlike immaturity continues to reach into the height of people’s college years. Things were certainly different back when people married young.

[Anonymous No.21956349]

>>21956312
This may be far too honest of a take for most people.

[Anonymous No.21956359]

The end of The Third Kingdom reads like it was written by a man who jettisoned his own fanbase. Kino.

[Anonymous No.21956401]

why is heretics of dune so dogshit

[Anonymous No.21956415]

>>21956401
you're only supposed to read the first 4

[Anonymous No.21956432]

>>21956401
didn't that one had /ss/?

[Anonymous No.21956433]

>>21956401
Always be careful when there's a big time gap. It's going to be something different, probably worse.

[Anonymous No.21956543]

>>21954408
>last book you read
Legends and Lattes
>current book you're reading
Frugal Wizard's Handbook for Surviving Medieval England
>next book you plan to read
The First Law

[Anonymous No.21956615]

>>21954408
A Feast for Crows
Pandora's Star
Judas Unchained or A Dance with Dragons

[Anonymous No.21956687]

>You will never be this happy.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q2k_6zclwTs

[Anonymous No.21956714]

>>21956543
It's astonishing to me how this book took off. I think I first made that comment when it was at 90k.

[Anonymous No.21956738]

>>21956543
>Legends and Lattes
How is it? Heard it's comfy

[Anonymous No.21956756]

>>21956738
reddit-tier

[Anonymous No.21956784]

>>21956756
So it's popular and made the author money?

[Anonymous No.21956803]

>>21956714
disgusting
you really can sell anything if your name is big enough in the right community

[Anonymous No.21956805]

>>21956687
https://youtu.be/uqES1poX4Z8

[Anonymous No.21956832]

>>21956714
does it have female MC?

[Anonymous No.21956836]

>>21956832
female lesbians orc + tiefling

[Anonymous No.21956845]

>>21956836
well, no wonder it's popular

[Anonymous No.21956853]

>>21956803
Factually true, but Baldree is only a big name in the despised ghetto of litrpg audiobooks. A subniche of a subniche. Yet there he is, selling books.

[Anonymous No.21956857]

Why hasn't anyone written a western retelling of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms with some isekai elements sprinkled in?

[Anonymous No.21956947]

>>21956857
you just gave me some kino ideas

[Anonymous No.21956972]

>>21956857
Not that i know of but Nostrillia by Cordwainer Smith is Journey to the West in Space

[Anonymous No.21956988]

>>21956857
Because RotK in of itself is an isekai.
>Guan Yu leaves his world as a butcher and becomes the greatest of warriors!
>Zhang Fei leaves his world as a pig farmer and becomes a fearsome warrior!
>Zhao Yun leaves his world as a underappreciated administrator and becomes a beautiful warrior!
>Ma Chao leaves his world as a barbarian from the steppes and becomes a vengeful warrior!
>Huang Zhong leaves his world as a administrator and becomes a wise warrior!

[Anonymous No.21956990]

I saw a copy of this at a used bookstore. Is it worth reading? I've heard it's really controversial.

[Anonymous No.21957000]

>>21956988
I can't read Bastion because every time Lianshi is mentioned I imagine big boobas

[Anonymous No.21957039]

>>21956988
what is isekai and no please god don't tell me to go read it if its anime my heart just can't take that

[Anonymous No.21957042]

>>21957039
isekai is basically portal fantasy

[Anonymous No.21957061]

>>21956990
is considered Piers Anthony worst book, and he has a lot of bad books

[Anonymous No.21957067]

>>21956990
>Is it worth reading?
Read it yourself and find out. Don't listen to the opinions of /lit/ards.

[Anonymous No.21957069]

>>21957039
isekai is a japanese word meaning something like "other world" and in effect it means any story where a character from the present day/real world (or present/real relative to the story's setting) is transported to another time/realm/universe/whatever
this is typically called "portal fantasy" in English

[Anonymous No.21957088]

>>21957069
isekai is an ascended (descended?) form of portal fantasy, where the portal isn't even fucking important except as handwavium for whatever bullshit the author wants to write

[Anonymous No.21957095]

Isekai means "other world" which in Japan literally any other world than Earth, including videogame worlds. It has various subcategories.

[Anonymous No.21957113]

>>21957067
I was mainly asking because the only reason I even recognized the book was due to how controversial it was.

[Anonymous No.21957116]

john carter is iskeai

[Anonymous No.21957119]

thomas covenant is isekai

[Anonymous No.21957123]

starkings by edmond hamilton is isekai

[Anonymous No.21957124]

Alice in wonderland is (and isn't) isekai

[Anonymous No.21957126]

the moon pool is isekai

[Anonymous No.21957130]

His Dark Material is a faggy atheist isekai

[Anonymous No.21957141]

>>21957119
>>21957123
>>21957124
>>21957126
>>21957130
all true but it could have been contained in a single post

[Anonymous No.21957143]

>>21957130
How mad were you when God withered away into dust?

[Anonymous No.21957144]

>>21957141
A Voyage to Arcturus is isekai

[Anonymous No.21957157]

>>21957143
It was so meh. Made it worse by the pacing of every other chapter being about that le scientist lady who finds wheel elephants fucking gay get out of here. Won't even finish the show, realized yesterday the third season was done.

[Anonymous No.21957290]

It's coming along nicely

[Anonymous No.21957301]

>>21957069
>>21957141
Okay, but I still don't fully understand. It is just that the story takes place in another world? But then why not just call it fantasy or science fiction, almost all of it takes place in another or different world.

[Anonymous No.21957307]

>>21957301
because the protagonist originated in our own world
so it's a guy who's used to cars and electric razors and hearing about the war in ukraine on tv being transported into a medieval setting with dragons and orcs and shit by accidentally stumbling upon it in a thrift shop mirror or a book in an old library
as for why not just call it fantasy, well because it's something that easily lends itself to categorization. it's still fantasy, but it's also a specific subset of fantasy

[Anonymous No.21957374]

>>21957301
It's not just that the story takes place in another world, it's that a person from OUR world gets transported to the other world and interacts with it based on the preconceived notions of normal 21st century life. For example, the Tron movie? that's isekai - a computer programmer gets sucked into his own video game and has to learn to survive and defeat the evil Master Control Program. Peter Pan involves a bunch of 1900s British kids flying away to Neverland to face pirates and indians and ticking clockodiles. The Lost World has Professor Challenger enter a cave in a Amazonian cliffside and pop out in a prehistoric realm with Brontosaurus and Pteranodon. All of these are variations on a "fish out of water" theme that is integral to the portal fantasy genre.

[Anonymous No.21957445]

>>21955495
Thousand li is terrible.

[Anonymous No.21957457]

[Anonymous No.21957474]

>>21957445
Give fifteen examples

[Anonymous No.21957477]

>>21957307
>>21957374
I get it now, thanks anons. Then isekai is just the Japanese version of this kind of story. It didn't originate with them, though, right? Also, is it just for anime or do they use it for all their fiction. Or do you know

[Anonymous No.21957489]

>>21957477
It's beyond simply "the japanese version", isekai is absolute trash of the lowest quality. A guy gets run over by a truck by mistake so god sends him to a fantasy world. In apology he gives the protagonist a magic phone that works and lets him call people and look stuff up on the internet despite the lack of technology in the other world. He also gets the magic power of simultaneously multiclassing in every class and can learn special abilities only capable of being used by dragons and nematodes. He also has 10000 base charisma and every girl he meets instantly wants to bang him and is ok being a cuckqueen in his ever-growing harem. He proceeds to use his amazing powers to introduce a medieval world to the wonders of sushi and mayonnaise. THAT'S isekai.

[Anonymous No.21957493]

>>21955586
King BROKE her.

[Anonymous No.21957496]

>>21957474
Bad dialogue, extremely bad prose. I have seen fan translated chinese webnovels with better prose than a Thousand Li written by an native English speaker.

[Anonymous No.21957504]

>>21957496
No you haven't.

[Anonymous No.21957533]

>>21954876
Frazetta is nice, but I kind of like his wife's nephew Ken Kelly more.

[Anonymous No.21957619]

I'm a real intellectual. I read and listen to Philip K Dick.

[Anonymous No.21957735]

>>21957619
>intellectual
>listens to dick
You read Descartes?

[Anonymous No.21957753]

>>21950366

[Anonymous No.21957933]

For newcomers, what should be the first Asian fantasy web novel to choose. China, Japan or Korea?

[Anonymous No.21957939]

>>21957933
probably japan for more generic stuff before you get into the schizo kino of the others

[Anonymous No.21958044]

New thread boys
>>21958040

[Anonymous No.21958661]

>>21955226
>but I've already accepted that stakes are a myth and consequences are a joke, so it's not that bad.
Unironically the key to really enjoy TWI, once you get past that you can get tons of enjoyment out of it.