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He was a Jew, a Muslim, and a Christian before they existed. He single handedly destroyed Greek culture because he couldn't handle how virile and superior it was.

>> No.21913500

He was John the Baptist and Socrates was Jesus.

>> No.21913603

>>21913488
Yeah Athenian democracy sure was great amiriteguys?

>> No.21913619

>>21913488
If it was virile and superior how did it get destroyed by a bumbling fuck like Socrates?

>> No.21913625

>>21913619
No doubt by the same reasoning that the 'noble Aryan' has been bested by the wily Jew time and time again.

>> No.21913644

>>21913488
>>21913619
>Most unified and powerful Greek nation in all history under Alexander generations after both of them died
>Alexander’s tutelage descends directly from Socrates through Plato and then Aristotle
>Retards blame Socrates for Greece’s decline

>> No.21913683

>>21913619
Because the slave is deceptive, evil and resentful. It is not above using underhanded tactics to destroy its noble master.

>> No.21913691

t. Klages. Holy fuck that guy goes on an absolutely assmad rampage against Plato for being a crypto-semite. I could dump some quotes if anyone is interested, or maybe the resident Klagesfag on /lit/ will do it for me

>> No.21913693

>>21913683
If honor and virtue are irrelevant abstractions why should underhanded tactics be thought of as bad?

>> No.21913704

>>21913693
Honor and virtue are not abstractions. They are the qualities of the master. The master defines these values.

>> No.21913705

>>21913683
Sounds like the slave is simply more powerful and deserving of the gods' favor

>> No.21913714

>>21913705
Is a suicide bomber more powerful than its victims? No, the only thing that may allow a slave to best anything is its deceptive and resentful nature. The slave resents itself as much it resents the world and so it has qualms destroying itself to destroy the world.

>> No.21913718

>>21913714
*no qualms

>> No.21913719

>>21913714
crypto-Abrahamism. sad

>> No.21913728

>>21913719
Your cope is sad.

>> No.21913753

How exactly is master-slave dialectic being imposed on this debate? Can anyone describe exactly how Plato was following a resenting-inverting schema?

>> No.21913787

>>21913753
Its just /pol/chuds and failed NEETche scholars. Ignore them.

>> No.21913813

>>21913691
Please do. I am a Platonist struggling with my beliefs due to my readings of Nietzsche. Do your worst to exacerbate my existential crisis.

>> No.21913831

>>21913753
Germanfags are obsessed with Socrates and think Plato ruined his philosophy. It's due to their germanic autism.

>> No.21913845

Muslims are a lot more virile than the Greeks, that is why Nietzsche says that the Moors are nearer and dearer than Greece or Rome

>> No.21913863

>>21913619
>>21913705
Nietzsche bros....

>> No.21913866

>>21913845
Sub-Saharan Africans are even more powerful. Don't pretend like you never cross the street when you see a black guy coming.

>> No.21913937

>>21913683
A truly superior being would not be defeated by underhanded tactics. regardless of nobility.

>> No.21913942

>>21913937
this

>> No.21914019

>>21913813
Actually the chapter is about Socrates but he seems to condemn Plato as a hyper-Socratist anyways so there doesn't seem to be much distinction. This is all on Socrates
>With him there appears for the first time the bounded self-mastery of a racially alien and, so to speak, international rationalism. He even referred to himself as a "citizen of the world"
after quoting Nietzsche saying Socrates is ugly af and probably a foreigner (also ugliness is a refutation)
>the aristocratic contemporaries of ancient racial stock saw Socrates in just this way...(Aristophanes) has selected Socrates as the very embodiment of the vendor of sophistries
>The soul of Greece was fragmented and exhausted when it gave birth to this nay-sayer who, like every prophet of dissolution, made his appearance in the guise of a "healer of souls"
>Socratism is founded upon a faith in the exclusive worthiness of conceptual thought (or consciousness). Regardless of whether an act was performed by a superior or an inferior person, the act can have no serious consequences so long as the person in question understands the motives of his actions; instinct, drive, and finally life itself are explained by Socrates as ignorance, and not, as with St. Paul, as sin.
A bit strange and incoherent. I'd read the chapter in the Biocentric Worldview if you want more. Only thing I strongly agreed with was that the whole notion of midwifery was deliberately and malevolently cultivated by Socrates who this author accuses of being a kind of incubus. Ideas are not "found" but rather "implanted". A bit of fear of foreign contagion and racial corruption seems to be implicit here

>> No.21914027

>>21913683
>>21913937
The slaves are many. Even the most noble can't deal with the many. You have to be able to read minds.

>> No.21914032

>>21913863
Nietzsche says the reason Socrates became a significant force was because the Greeks had become decadent.They may even have been better off with Socratic asceticism versus following their instincts. The issue is that actually healthy organisms do not need to pysop themselves with ascetic philosophy, and the real solution is eugenics.

>> No.21914036

>>21914027
Don't project your incapability onto us, subhuman.

>> No.21914037

>>21913787
>>21913625
Kill yourselves faggots kikes

>> No.21914051

>>21914036
You can't read minds?

>>21914032
Decadence is inevitable. Society goes through the cycles. What Plato does though is impose a permanent decadence -- he sought to destroy the cycles altogether. That's what the abrahamic religions do also.

>> No.21914058

>>21914037
Jews rule.

>> No.21914132

>>21913488
nice bait

>> No.21914265

>>21914058
Yeah that's why humanity will inevitably go extinct on this planet and never go beyond it

>> No.21914432

>>21913619
it didnt. it got destroyed by plato’s portrale of Socrates.
Not Socratese himself. Soc was just a sperg that turned out to be an excellent protagonist in Plato’s cataclysmic diologues.

>> No.21914461

>>21914432
No, it was def Socrates. The early aporia ones where he “made the worse appear the better argument” were by far the most radical. Plato’s middle period with the forms and stuff is just common sense morality to most people.

>> No.21914487

>>21914461
no. literally it was platos writing ON Socratese that where influential. He would have been forgotten as a historical curio without Plato. Plato IS the edification of Socratese as a conceptual turning point in world thought.

>> No.21914521

>>21914432
>>21914461
>>21914487
Socrates and Hegel are the obvious gaslighters but Plato has his moments too. The Muslims are the hardest to gaslight because they altogether reject rhetoric and dialectic. Plato and Iran together show this today.

>> No.21914528

>>21913866
Does anyone really do this, or is it a joke?

>> No.21914590

>>21914521
>Socrates and Hegel are the obvious gaslighters
but the thing is, most of socratese IS plato.

>> No.21914698

Plato was clearly a proto-Reagan fiscal conservative

Mr. Xerxeschev, tear down this citywall

>> No.21914752

>>21914590
Through Socrates he shows the power of gaslighting. The thing is there is nothing pleasant about it and the trick is exposed to everyone who isn't decadent. Like the covid gaslighting, the best of us saw it as weak.

Free natures full of life are immune to the sickly reason of decadent philosophers.Inductive reason is the only one.

>> No.21914800

>>21913714
>Is a suicide bomber more powerful than its victims?
They are all dead.

>> No.21914806

>>21913714
>Is a suicide bomber more powerful than its victims?
Obviously yes, the energy density of chemical explosives is nothing to sneeze at!

>> No.21914807

>>21913644
Alexander's empire didn't last, and I'm doubtful that his skills came from Aristotle.

>> No.21914817

>>21914698
kek

>> No.21914862

>>21914807
He was a warrior and a leader. Aristotle gave him cause and effect and persistence.

>> No.21915272
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>>21913619
This breaks Shitzscheans' minds.