/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21891984]

any books talking about if life is worth it past 30? I feel like I've wasted my youth and only have a few years to experience being young before I need to become a real adult. How do I cope with aging?

[Anonymous No.21891998]

sure, here you go.
https://books.google.ca/books/about/The_Defining_Decade.html?id=6RCuCgAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y

[Anonymous No.21892023]

>>21891984
You are a real adult at age 17. You've stopped growing for the most part and your mind is capable of understanding complex ideas. By 27, you're middle aged. Neuroplasticity nosedives at age 26 (that's why hood niggas like myself consider 26 and up to be OG [original/old gangsta]). Due to the perception of passing time, your life is already half over by age 25 (1 year is 10% of your life at age 10, but only 2% of your life at age 45).

If you're near 30 and you still haven't "found your place", then don't worry, most people feel that way. Just get comfy and enjoy the nice parts of life. You'll never be great; most people aren't. Just relax and do what you can to make the world a little bit nicer to whatever extent you're able.

[Anonymous No.21892054]

>>21892023
thanks i'm killing myself

[Anonymous No.21892086]

>>21892054
Why?

[Anonymous No.21892111]

>>21891984
Of course it is worth. Any people that are thinking about life and have a few brain cells will feel like they have wasted their youth. Most won't admit it. I turned 31 this year. Still feel like I am 20 years old and no clue what I am doing, but I have a comfy job that pays well and I can do what I want. Finally getting some extra money is nice, but I still feel hollow and empty and think that life is mostly pointless. Some people are doomed to think like this, even when life objectively looks great for them.

Nothing is over even if you are past 30. Like the other anon says, enjoy the little things. Enjoy the sun or listen to the birds. Do good where you can or just stay by yourself and try to better yourself in some way. Maybe workout or learn a skill like cooking or gardening or reading. There has to be things that either makes you not think as much or things you actually enjoy doing.

[Anonymous No.21892254]

>>21892023
>relax and do what you can to make the world a little bit nicer to whatever extent you're able.

[Anonymous No.21892267]

>>21892254
>Stress out and try to make the world worse to an extent far beyond your ability
Better?

[Anonymous No.21892277]

Can you explain the mechanism by which you think your life is going to lose value magically once you get past 30?
>uhhh i won't be able to live like a complete fucking child anymore
if this is all that held value for you then yeah just kill yourself. preferably before you hit 30, save us all the wait

[Anonymous No.21892289]

>>21892277
>Lack of comprehension this severe
I think OP never developed in his youth the skills to succeed in his preferred field of work. It's a realization that hits you in your late 20s. Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.21892306]

I'm 25 and I already feel like an old man ready to die. I haven't even properly lived yet, missed out on every meaningful part of youth and just let my body deteriorate. Already lost a couple teeth, have chronic health problems and zero chance at romantic love due my ugliness and social retardation. I knew it was over at 15 but god, it hurts so much when you realize there's no turning back and world moved on without you.

[Anonymous No.21892310]

>>21892289
>I think OP never developed in his youth the skills to succeed in his preferred field of work
then he should go develop those fucking skills instead of bitching and moaning and posting on 4chan for sympathy points to make him feel good about rotting in his shitty life

[Anonymous No.21892317]

>>21892306
>world moved on without you.
More like
>known I've been fucking up since childhood
>do nothing to take control of situation or self
>crash my health, social life, and mental health
>still refuse to do anything about it but whine in the most forgiving, safety-netted era in human history
You deserve everything you did to yourself.

[Anonymous No.21892320]

>>21892310
There's nothing wrong with asking for advice, dipshit, except maybe doing so on 4chan

[Anonymous No.21892321]

>>21892277
When Saturn completes one full rotation around the sun, starting from the day of your birth, the curse is cast and you're doomed to live the rest of your life as you have before. Every effort to change your path will be futile. That is the rule all men live by.

[Anonymous No.21892325]

>>21892317
Wtf, I thought it was everyone else fault? Thanks man, never really thought to blame myself.

[Anonymous No.21892327]

>>21892320
>There's nothing wrong with asking for advice
You don't want advice you want free fucking sympathy points
>there's nothing wrong with being a sniveling fucking baby crying out publicly for attention instead of fixing your problems
Yes there fucking is, and maybe if someone had told you that as a child you wouldn't have run your life into the ground
>uhh uhh im n-not that a-anon tho
Then why are you sucking him off for free

[Anonymous No.21892330]

>>21892317
>Has no idea the struggles some people go through
>Has no compassion for the plight of his fellow man
>Doesn't understand that he'd be the same but for the grace of God
Repent of your sinful pride, wretch.

[Anonymous No.21892332]

>>21892325
>never really thought to blame myself.
You're welcome. Blame yourself more, in fact. You'll either fix your shit or kill yourself, either way you won't be such a fucking economic burden on the rest of us afterwards.

[Anonymous No.21892338]

>>21892330
>>Has no idea the struggles some people go through
He said, hypocritically

[Anonymous No.21892341]

>>21892332
Wouldn't count on it, bud. Same thing holding me back now is the same thing 10 years ago, and will be the same thing in 10-20-30 years. Let's just hope I get cancer and die so I don't ruin your conception of a just world.

[Anonymous No.21892343]

>>21892327
>maybe if someone had told you that as a child
so you admit he's a victim of forces outside his control, yet you still use him as a punching bag for your own tragic asocial incel malcontent

[Anonymous No.21892350]

>>21892343
yes, he's been a five year old child his entire 20+ years of life
>>21892341
only thing holding you back is cowardice

[Anonymous No.21892357]

I don't know who needs to hear this itt, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbw9vbZYHq0

[Anonymous No.21892391]

I turned 22 a weeks back. I don't know what to do with myself.

[Anonymous No.21892396]

Life past 30 is cool in that you just don't give a shit anymore. I mean yeah I want to kill myself because wagie life is fucking hell but then again I've felt suicidal for so long at this point I might as well just drug me until I die from natural-ish causes.

[Anonymous No.21892402]

>>21892391
How about you try getting a job?
But seriously your life isn't that much different at 26 than it was at 22. Get a life for yourself and accomplish goals, stop waiting to 'wake up'

[Anonymous No.21892502]

>>21891984
The Once and Future King. I read it when going through my 'to read' list while finalizing my plans for suicide.

Something about it convinced me to face the shame of returning to school at 33 and being an open failure and aged parasite to my parents. I got my first job shortly after and spent the next 4 years more busy than unhappy or happy. I'm more free than I have ever been now, and much happier being truly alone instead of just alienated. In the end though it wasn't that the book contained any kind of argument or overt moral that changed my mind, rather it made me feel good and engaged for a moment after a long time without any of that, it was relieving in a deep way. It was like a pulse of blood in a long dead organ, I guess. I took it as a proof of concept that I could still feel and know nice things and that there's something for me out there. I think that's what people like me (maybe us) need, not principles or reason, but fire.

[Anonymous No.21892781]

>>21892338
Makes no sense, his post implied omniscience

[Anonymous No.21892834]

>>21892277
>>21892289
my career is fine, I'm just a khv with only a few friends in my late 20s. Not to be cringe but the "you missed out on teenage love" meme gets me. Just feel like I've wasted my youth away on the computer and don't know how to fix it.

[Anonymous No.21893532]

>>21892834
>Not to be cringe but the "you missed out on teenage love" meme gets me
Nigga name 5 teenagers
You can't. they don't even fucking exist. They might as well have stopped fucking existing and been erased from history when you turned 21. What the actual fuck, nobody in the real world who pays taxes fucking cares what you were doing when you were 17. Get over yourself.

[Anonymous No.21893559]

You are wrong from the beginning when you imply it's at any point worth it.

[Anonymous No.21893564]

>>21893532
I don't care particularly about the teenager aspect, but I feel bad that I missed out on a bunch of time I could have been having sex while young. Fucking your wife when you're 35 isn't exactly like fucking your gf when you're 20, I even had a friend who's been fucking his hot gfs regularly since he was 14.

[Anonymous No.21893584]

>>21892277
It’s not so much that nothing good happens after 30. It’s more like at 30, you might be more aware of what kind of life you want, and yet feel like because of the choices you made in your 20s you’ll never have it. I often feel that way. It’s as if there is something I was meant to do, and yet I didn’t do what was necessary. That leads you to this “what’s the point?” line of thinking. It’s like “if I only did X, then things would make more sense now” or “if I want to do X, I really should’ve done Y years ago”. And then of course there’s the feeling that if you really had any talent for something, it would’ve been clear already. Writing is like this. If you were going to be a good, never mind great writer, wouldn’t that talent have shown itself younger? Probably. That’s the feeling.

[Anonymous No.21893593]

>>21892306
25 is a good age to basically start your life over. My advice would to run for political office or start making some kind of art. If you want to “make it” in business, you can always do that later. If you want to be a great politician or an artist, you should start now.

[Anonymous No.21893599]

>>21893564
So go bag some 20 year old bitches what the fuck

[Anonymous No.21893606]

>>21891984
This year I turn 23
If I don't get any cunny by 26 i'm offing myself

[Anonymous No.21893612]

>>21893599
>So go bag some 20 year old bitches what the fuck
Go fuck yourself nigger sex haver

[Anonymous No.21893648]

>>21892834
Don't worry about the past. It's gone. You are living in the present. I recommend meditation. Here's a tkmiz Buddha.

[Anonymous No.21893685]

>>21893648
best reply in the thread

[Anonymous No.21893724]

>29
>lived an amazing life full of struggle and adventures that could fill dozens of Hollywood blockbuster movies
>tons of friends, been with 70 beautiful women
>became a folk hero for a short time
>finally ready to settle down and enjoy my solitude

Sorry nerds, you blew it by 30 if you feel this way. Your gut never lies.

[Anonymous No.21893734]

>>21893564
First off, forget about EVER having sex because you were a pussy and didn’t put any considerable effort into finding a gf. Girls will date retarded drug addicts, what makes you so fucking repulsive except for lack of courage and determination.

As for wanting to fuck young women, let it be known that you can fuck 18 year olds well into your 50s; easily. Just know that obsessing over not having sex with girls while feeling 20 yourself is a strange mental infantilism where you are regressing to a time when you were even more of a baby boy.

You’re a MAN. Grow the fuck up and move on. Go fuck some bitch and realize that sex is great, but not the most important thing. Love is. But to understand and separate sex from love, you must have had sex without love; to truly understand that absence.

If you as a man cannot conquer a woman (the most easily persuaded people) then what makes you think you can conquer your own life?

KILL yourself.

[Anonymous No.21893750]

>>21893734
This has to be one of the most retarded things I've read this week. There isn't an ounce of truth or in useful line of thinking in here. Good job.

Not the guy you're responding to.

[Anonymous No.21893755]

>>21893734
shut the fuck up sex haver, dont try to compare yourself to me, dont ever reply to my posts ever again, dont ever think were in the same boat, were literally in opposite situations, you are a low iq below average normgroid who cant comprehend what a luxury it is to have relationships with other girls. youre nothing but a normal failed normie, you had sex, which means you have had at least a few girls in your life that you could interact with, you had girls like so you much even that they were willing to get to the highest form of intimacy, you having had sex means you had intimate relationships and got the highest accomplishment you can have biologically. Sex and generally being intimate with a girl is a physiological necessity for humans and you being a nigger with your inability for introspection and empathy means you could never possibly comprehend the psychological torture that people like me endure, you wouldnt be able to live even a week without jamming a fork into the nearest outlet if you would know what it feels like to be forever alone, the mental problems from knowing that youre totally fucked and will never have a person that will understand you and be willing to be intimate with you will make you reevalute if a death penalty would really be a punishment in this situation

[Anonymous No.21893765]

>>21893755
The societal pissant rears his head from his hole and demands those who have lived life to its fullest extent should descend from their echelon and down into the depths of the mind of someone who holds contempt for normality. Seething with jealousy, he blames those above him, rather than himself.

Once again, kill yourself.

>>21893750
Also you’re gay

[Anonymous No.21893770]

>>21893765
Retarded normie cattle

[Anonymous No.21893771]

>>21893755
Also I’m trans if that matters. it does, because all trannies were incels beforehand

[Anonymous No.21893781]

>>21893606
That word ... I don't think it means what you think it means

[Anonymous No.21893785]

>>21893770
I’m better read and lived than you. To what end does your reading take you? To your room? Mine gets used to better my life and relationships.

AND TO GET PUSSY

[Anonymous No.21893786]

>>21893781
He's aware. That's one of our pedofellows. just don't post any pictures of children or mention the Nabokov book.

[Anonymous No.21893787]

>>21893781
Why yes i'm talking about THAT kunny

[Anonymous No.21893791]

>>21893734
Wow. Look at this nigga, he did what even fucking flies do. Congratulations, you stuck your meat stick inside a wet meat hole. Well done, anon! You're truly so wise.

[Anonymous No.21893797]

>>21893734
now THAT is the kind of boomer wisdom these little shits need to hear

[Anonymous No.21893798]

>>21893785
You don't know me
Life as a sub-8 male is a scam.. If you were blessed by your parents good for you nigger cattle
Competing with 10 million other men for chad's sloppy leftovers is cucked. I therefore dedicate my life to hating women and wasting gov resources. I bludge on cenno. I've never worked a day in my life. I've never paid a cent in income tax. I'll never repay my HECS debt. I fake suicide attempts to waste gov resources. I've cost the state health department over 24k this year lone. I receive gov subsidised antidepressants and flush them down the toilet. I trash public bathrooms. I chadfish roasties and stand them up on dates. I've stood up over 100 whores. I've made them waste hundreds on fuel and ubers. my crusade will never end

[Anonymous No.21893799]

>>21893791
Exactly my point. Why can't these incels do something as easy as that? How can you conquer your own limitations if you can't even get past the basic functions of normal people? Sex comes almost as a regular occurrence for most, but for the incel it is coveted and prized; like standing outside of a grocery store thinking of meals, but too scared to walk in.

[Anonymous No.21893804]

>>21893785
Bro do you have problems? You don't sound like a real living person.

[Anonymous No.21893815]

>>21893584
fuck you for talking directly to me

[Anonymous No.21894803]

>>21893593
Sometimes the people giving advice are more retarded than the ones that ask for it lol

[Anonymous No.21894922]

>>21891984
Life past 27 is over. Thats why i am killing myself at 27, luckily only a few months left

[Anonymous No.21894944]

>>21892023
> You’ll never be great
Suicide fuel

[Anonymous No.21894951]

>>21892111
It’s true that most thinking people, especially nowadays where the norm is just utterly stupid and degenerate, will feel like they wasted their youth, but a small handful will have done something in their youth that, although the might feel it to have been a waste of time or error, actually is building the biography that they’re going to need later. Even unfortunate events can build a story to a great crescendo. But if there’s nothing remarkable, there’s no story. The worst feeling is the sense that you just don’t have any story at all.

[Anonymous No.21894959]

>>21894951
This is why I can't feel sad for dudes going through divorce, having trouble with kids, troubles with breakups, and so on.

[Anonymous No.21894960]

>>21894803
Sure, but my advice, however…

[Anonymous No.21894961]

>>21894959
I’m not following.

[Anonymous No.21894962]

>>21894961
at least they had something

[Anonymous No.21894973]

>>21894962
If you mean a family and kids, it’s not exactly like you can’t have a family and kids after 30.

[Anonymous No.21894975]

>>21894951
>But if there’s nothing remarkable, there’s no story. The worst feeling is the sense that you just don’t have any story at all.

[Anonymous No.21894981]

>>21893798
All based other than trashing public rest rooms. Reddit maliciousness. Someone does it they need to die, simple as.

[Anonymous No.21894982]

I just turned 30. I don’t regret very much until about 25 or so but about 25 I feel like I made some major missteps that I never quite recovered from. It’s okay to make missteps, but you have to realize them as missteps early and quickly recover. I didn’t do that and that’s what I regret the most. Things would be different now if I had.

If you’re under 30, you need to get off the internet too. Pursue your inclinations in real life, with real people. Stop browsing a literature board and join a club, work at a library, write a novella. The internet is just an attention sink. The things you would actually live out in real life and give you that “biography” are instead just sucked into a screen that only you know about or see. You might obsess over writing for years before you write a single book but if those years were spent here and not with a writer or writing, nobody will ever know.

[Anonymous No.21895015]

>>21893785
You're no different than a homosexual. You're an abomination whose life revolves around a festering hole impelled to it by instinct, habit, reinforcement. You failed to set your mind on higher forms, direct the will to better things, and will justly suffer for all eternity for your sins of the flesh.

[Anonymous No.21895214]

>>21892502
I had a similar reading of Parsifal. It’s interesting that the book reignited this general purpose flame you had that was dimming.

[Anonymous No.21895300]

>>21893734
basado

[Anonymous No.21895322]

A few is 3 or more and 3 years is plenty of time to start chipping away at whatever it is that you want to have success at 30. For example, let’s say you want to be a great writer and you’re 27. 27 would be a great age to start getting some of your writing out there. Publish poems, short stories, journalism, whatever. And keep working at it, so when you’re 30 you’ll be in a better place than you were at 27 instead of spending 3 years just sort of considering it. You have to be active with your life and put yourself out there if you want things to work out. Even if it ends up not being the thing, being active and dynamic will always be better.

[Anonymous No.21895470]

>>21892054
>>21894944
You're posting on 4chan. It was over before it even began.

[Anonymous No.21895505]

>>21895322
>3 years is plenty of time to start chipping away at whatever it is that
It isn't. I work 40 hours a week. I am too tired and fatigued after work to do anything productive. Weekends I do chores, bills, housework. I have at best 4 hours of free time a week.
>Publish poems
Rejected.
>short stories
Rejected
>journalism
No credentials.

You're a words, words, words guy with too much free time on his hands. Try needing to work. Also try needing to exist so as there is no alternative where it's paycheck to paycheck.

[Anonymous No.21895519]

>>21892332
>le economic burden
Shut up you fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.21895531]

>>21895505
Start a substack or something, you don't need any credentials and people will seemingly read any random bullshit

[Anonymous No.21895540]

>>21891984
OP, how old are you? I humored similar thoughts in my early twenties, but it will pass.

[Anonymous No.21895541]

>>21891984
You could help yourself by not being a tranny.

[Anonymous No.21895584]

I reached a position of prominence in U.S. government at age 29, then changed career paths at 30; I'm now 31. The life ahead is long, especially if you are willing to keep learning and unearthing seminal moments - that's what keeps you young, and what keeps the passage of time a gentle stream instead of a riptide.

You have all the time in the world to be great. But you must work much harder than anyone else you know to become so, especially because there are a glut of distractions in today's world that would swallow you up like quicksand.

[Anonymous No.21895599]

>>21893564
>Fucking your wife when you're 35 isn't exactly like fucking your gf when you're 20
I'm 32 and married, imo sex gets better as you age unless you're so hung up on your bygone youth that it gets in the way of pleasure. People on here always talk about the passion of teenage love, and while there is some truth to that it is also fumbling and self-conscious, neither party is really sure of what they want or enjoy. In my experience it comes with a lot of bullshit. Whereas now I'm having more frequent, more enjoyable sex with none of the drama you inevitably have to work through when you're young

[Anonymous No.21895620]

>>21895470
4channel is as normal as Twitter or Reddit for millennials and zoomers. This website hasn’t been a human dumpster for like 15 or 20 years.

[Anonymous No.21895626]

>>21895505
You’re an excuses, excuses, excuses guy. What? You really think you’re the only person who works and manages to write? Stop with the excuses and self publish or dont.

[Anonymous No.21895630]

>>21895584
I can’t think of a single position of prominence in the government reasonably attainable for a young person that isn’t an elected or appointed official. There are no prominent positions otherwise. What was it?

[Anonymous No.21895633]

>>21891984
I’m going to be 41 and I’m okay for the most part

[Anonymous No.21895634]

>>21895505
You spend 4 hours per day on the internet guaranteed.

[Anonymous No.21895635]

>>21895630
I was indeed an appointed official. I was the Director for a constituent-facing branch in New York State.

[Anonymous No.21895642]

>>21895635
Alright. I’m really curious to know the details now. How did you get that appointment in the first place?

[Anonymous No.21895653]

I don't know why people make a deadline of age 30. It's hardly any different from any age in one's 20s, save maybe 20-22.

If you're twenty-something or even thirty-something and already think you're getting old, and this stresses you out, you're going to have to get over it if you want some sort of contentment in life.

In a sense, we're all getting old in that we're always getting older. Why should this bother us? If anything, let it make us more grateful for each day we live. Aging is not a big deal but our culture of vanity makes it one.

[Anonymous No.21895656]

>>21895642
I worked for it. No shortcuts except those created by my own talent, if that's not too arrogant to say.

I got my start by helping an underdog U.S. Congressional candidate upstate secure an upset victory that no one was expecting. I rejected his offer to become his Chief of Staff in D.C. as well as the RNC's offer to become Executive Director for the State in order to run my own consulting firm in year 2 which focused on winning local races & increasing voter registration + turnout; this proved to be extremely successful. In year 3, I was offered the position of Director for this particular Office; again, I was very successful. In year 4, I resigned and switched gears, focusing on the private sector in order to attain higher upside.

Government & politics as an ideal is very attractive. However, as an upcomer with no family/legacy connections or vast amounts of wealth/resources, it is a machine of corruption & complacency in which one man (gear) can only turn at so much speed in order to produce a macro benefit. Also, it is navigating a pit of vipers who will do what they can to cut you down; it's a lot like high school in terms of rumors and cliques, sadly.

I may come back one day, but only if I have Bloomberg-esque resources so I can write my own ticket and say fuck you to everyone else. There is no other way to actually get shit done on a fundamental level that provides tangible benefits to thousands if not millions.

[Anonymous No.21895660]

>>21895541
It's funny when these faggot OPs expect not to be ousted when they use a submissive sad uwu anime girl drawn in thin lines to depict their opinion (and of course it's always about something as vain and effeminate as losing youth and beauty).

[Anonymous No.21895672]

>>21895656
What does “helping an underdog” mean? You worked on his campaign or what? My sense is this is a LARP or New York State is more corrupt than California than because I know from anecdotal observation with someone close to me who was a Congressman that it’s not all that hard to run.

[Anonymous No.21895676]

>>21895540
Why are they stronger than ever for me at 30? I’ve managed to find a sort of path now, but I really regret not getting on it a few years back. I actually get very depressed when I think about this and I feel like it limits my future.

[Anonymous No.21895678]

>>21895672
I will refrain from saying more to avoid doxing myself. You can believe what you want. My personal story isn't important—what is important is that it is never too late to make something of yourself and leave behind an indelible legacy provided you work harder and smarter than everyone else. This applies to all facets of life, whether you're a property developer or a public servant or an artist.

[Anonymous No.21895690]

>>21893724
Every time that image is posted I will post this one.

[Anonymous No.21895694]

>>21895678
If you’re to be believed, you started all this at 26 so I fail to see how it applies to this discussion.

[Anonymous No.21895697]

>>21894951
Not having a story is more remarkable than having one; anyone can have a story.

[Anonymous No.21895703]

>>21895697
That doesn’t make any sense to me. I can’t think of a single remarkable writer who wasn’t either writing a lot in their 20s or doing something else nonetheless interesting. I can think of none that were like office drones until 30.

[Anonymous No.21895704]

>>21893724
>that
>6'8
>>21895690
You're gay.

[Anonymous No.21895715]

>>21895694
That's a fair point. There's no doubt that competence supplemented by youth is an ideal trait. However, I can anecdotally attest to the fact that now, at 30-31, I started something new with a reputable firm and was told less than two months by one of the founding partners that I'm the best employee they've ever had. Attached is a text message from said Partner.

I feared "starting over" at 31, 32, 33 - there are people ten years younger than me in the same position. But I think youth is a characteristic as much as it is a number, and to 60-year-old men in positions of power, we're all babies, anyway.

I firmly believe that nothing defines us other than the work we want to put in. That level of perseverance coupled with an intelligent and creative mind creates a path for one to be the exception to any rule.

[Anonymous No.21895720]

>>21895715
>red white and blue messenger theme
Lol

[Anonymous No.21895734]

>>21894944
>>21892254
>>21892054
> Noooo you have to be the zeitgeit. You have to accomplish GREAT thing, topple empires, have one billion dollars in the banks, fuck tens of thousands of whores, you have to PLEASE everybody, Everyone should hold YOU in high ESTEEM.
Can't you just enjoy simple things? You don't need more, and I'm not ironic. I'm happy, sunshine in morning is enough for me. I enjoy little moment like drinking coffee, and reading novels. If you need to "work" buy a parcel of land, and cultivate it. Cultivate your own garden.

[Anonymous No.21895742]

>>21895734
You sound like a fucking girl.

https://youtu.be/THBu7SNhU5c

[Anonymous No.21895747]

>>21895742
Better than a mindless slave like you.

[Anonymous No.21895748]

>>21895720
I do love my country. :^)

[Anonymous No.21895750]

>>21895747
>slavery = fighting for a future and a future for your children's children
>now be a decadent faggot like me :)
That's why no one will remember your name.

[Anonymous No.21895755]

>>21895750
> He thinks temperance is decadence.
Yep, slave indeed.

[Anonymous No.21895756]

>>21895715

Good going brother. Never give up on improving yourself, that's when you're old.

[Anonymous No.21895757]

>>21895750
But you aren't fighting for a future, are you? You're on a shitty time-wasting website having a conniption over the fact that you'll never be Napoleon

[Anonymous No.21895762]

>>21895734
I can’t, no.

[Anonymous No.21895765]

>>21895756
Thank you, anon. Man is born to work, for work produces fundamental change.

God bless you and your family.

[Anonymous No.21895767]

Anyone here get a degree late in life? I'm 35. I can get a degree without incurring any debt in my country, however I find it impossible to learn if Im not interested in a subject, and I'm afraid I'll get into philosophy or art or something and have to spend my time studying garbage through a modern lens, or just get bored. I'm not stupid, but I am not smart enough to suffer through boredom for the rewards it promises.

I spend most of my time drawing, reading non-fiction and exercising.

[Anonymous No.21895768]

>>21895676
>Why are they stronger than ever for me at 30
You didn't resolve it when you were younger, probably. You will always have doubts, but most likely you're comparing yourself to a fiction.

[Anonymous No.21895776]

>>21895755
Temperance how? All you've talked about is the things that bring you pleasures instead of anything akin to virtue or character building.
>>21895757
Demoralizing bullshit you'd write only when your sickliness is bared out in the open.

[Anonymous No.21895777]

>>21895768
I’m really not sure what you mean by that. Resolving it would’ve just been doing what I wish I did.

[Anonymous No.21895784]

>>21895715
If you have this much aptitude and experience, why do you want to be an employee? Why don’t you just run yourself or start your own business or write a book for ffs?

[Anonymous No.21895789]

>>21895656
>I I I I I I I I x8
You did nothing. You're an arrogant prideful conceited nobody two-bit bureaucrat. You meeting these people was fortuitous. These metrics you mentioned would have occurred without you. An intelligent person in your situation simply would say he got lucky or God did it.

[Anonymous No.21895801]

>>21895776
>All you've talked about is the things that bring you pleasures instead of anything akin to virtue or character building.
Point out where I expressed this without outing yourself as someone that has zero reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.21895809]

>>21895767
Why would you want the degree?

[Anonymous No.21895813]

>>21891984

[Anonymous No.21895814]

>>21895801
>direct me to [thing I blatantly stated out in the open you can see if you look through the replies]

[Anonymous No.21895821]

>>21895784
All in due time. I have other goals at this time, i.e., law school.
>>21895789
Luck and/or divine providence plays a role. One must still be proactive in order to capitalize on opportunities, however.

[Anonymous No.21895826]

>>21895789
Fortune favors the willing.

[Anonymous No.21895842]

>>21895776
What concrete steps are you taking to build this future?

[Anonymous No.21895964]

>>21895767
Why not audit some classes and just see if you like it? It really depends on what university, what country, what professor. I would say a degree is next to worthless unless it's for economic reasons. The only good thing it will do is force you to learn research/writing and critical thinking skills by forcing you to actually apply yourself on a daily basis. There's still something to be said for that, since it is a useful cure for the infinite procrastination of online gifted underachievers saying they're going to read the entire western canon for 10 years and then waking up one day and realizing they never did shit. At least college forces you to get out there and work until you (potentially) become self-directing. Of course it also turns people into ambitionless idiots just as often. It "polishes pebbles and dulls diamonds."

I would maybe take a class in something you're strongly interested in (you can email professors and ask if they're okay with you showing up) and take on a reasonable research project that actually interests you, something that forces you to go to the library and do actual research. Don't make it some huge project like "How Islam influenced Christianity" or whatever, make it something you can actually reasonably answer within a month of work. Learn how to use the library, learn how to write a paper, consider being an independent scholar.

A lot of the value of college is also that it forces you to encounter 1000 different shitty forms of something you're interested in, until you discover something you actually like. I was going to say read some recent articles in journals but the fact is, they're mostly shit because everything is so shitty now. But if you went through a 4 year degree, you'd be wading through all that shit for so long that you'd possibly discover the one journal or the one little group of scholars that still does actually interesting work, or the one subfield etc. But it's hard to recommend that you go spend 5 years on it just for this possibility.

However, actually forcing yourself to do research and then seeing how you feel about it might give you some new perspective. Because then you could start thinking in terms of, "would college actually help me gain the necessary skills to get better at this and get the answers I seek?" etc.

[Anonymous No.21895977]

>>21895826
I sincerely look down on anyone motivated enough to engage with the modern world. They're lower than whores.

[Anonymous No.21895978]

>>21895964
Also it can be a cool way to meet people but it's very hit and miss, a lot depends on your country like I was saying. Maybe universities in your country still actually have student groups where people read things and organize for their political movements or whatever. In America every school felt like a party school for rich assholes to me. Oxbridge felt like that too. I found it very hard to get people to talk about the class material or to talk about anything other than social life.

[Anonymous No.21895988]

>>21895777
Or understanding you would be regretting things even if you did what you currently regret not doing

[Anonymous No.21896061]

>>21895842
>still no response
Lol got him

[Anonymous No.21896085]

>>21895977
Does using 4chan count as engaging with the modern world?

[Anonymous No.21896091]

>>21895821
Do you plan to practice law or use it exclusively for politics?

[Anonymous No.21896106]

>>21895988
You’re absolutely right, but to regret either way doesn’t mean they were necessarily equal courses to take.

[Anonymous No.21896121]

>>21896091
I plan on specializing in corporate finance for some years to build wealth while offering pro bono services for criminal defense. I may re-enter politics in my 40s after my career, finances, and family are well-settled.

[Anonymous No.21896130]

>>21896121
Well, good luck to you. For what it’s worth, I’m about your age and also applying to law schools.

[Anonymous No.21896136]

>>21896130
Thank you, anon. I wish you the very best as well. Remember to work hard—graduate at or towards the top of your class and you will have opportunities abound.

[Anonymous No.21896195]

>>21896085
>he needs to ask
Hopeless

[Anonymous No.21896251]

>>21896085
The opposite, in fact.

[Anonymous No.21896326]

>>21895505
You’re not currently working now, are you? I bet you’ve been idling online for hours. I HATE faggots like you with a burning passion. KILL YOURSELF

[Anonymous No.21896355]

>>21896326
There's nothing else to do in a post work haze other than post on 4chan. Everything else lowers the mind. This at least keeps it engaged. Humans are also meant to socialize, not work all day and nothing else and this website is a surrogate for that, namely the need to communicate things one finds important.

[Anonymous No.21896377]

>>21891984
I hate when people bitch about not having a romanticized, friend filled, coming of age filled teen years. Guess what, most people don't. Most of it is coom based, god I wish I was fucking underage pussy when I was that age, that kind of thing . So what, your a grown ass adult sobbing over this "missed" experience. Having a job and responsibilities doesn't soil you from friendships and relationships, doesn't stop you from creative interest or doing something that matters. Shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.21896523]

>>21896355
>Everything else lowers the mind. This at least keeps it engaged.
Saying that browsing 4chan "engages the mind" is like saying McDonald's is a nourishing meal

[Anonymous No.21896911]

>>21896377
>Shut the fuck up.
Shan't. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.21897246]

>>21892254
>>21892267
kys wojakniggers

[Anonymous No.21897406]

>>21892023

[Anonymous No.21897458]

Dude if you're really that miserable and upset about it then start on TRT and attain the Testosterone levels of a 20 year old chad. Start lifting weights. Your life will dramatically improve.

[Anonymous No.21898098]

>>21891984
"The body is a fence the Son of God imagines he has built, to separate parts of his Self from other parts. It is within this fence he thinks he lives, to die as it decays and crumbles. For within this fence he thinks that he is safe from love. Identifying with his safety, he regards himself as what his safety is. How else could he be certain he remains within the body, keeping love outside?

The body will not stay. Yet this he sees as double safety. For the Son of God’s impermanence is “proof” his fences work, and do the task his mind assigns to them. For if his oneness still remained untouched, who could attack and who could be attacked? Who could be victor? Who could be his prey? Who could be victim? Who the murderer? And if he did not die, what “proof” is there that God’s eternal Son can be destroyed?

The body is a dream. Like other dreams it sometimes seems to picture happiness, but can quite suddenly revert to fear, where every dream is born. For only love creates in truth, and truth can never fear. Made to be fearful, must the body serve the purpose given it. But we can change the purpose that the body will obey by changing what we think that it is for.

The body is the means by which God’s Son returns to sanity. Though it was made to fence him into hell without escape, yet has the goal of Heaven been exchanged for the pursuit of hell. The Son of God extends his hand to reach his brother, and to help him walk along the road with him. Now is the body holy. Now it serves to heal the mind that it was made to kill.

You will identify with what you think will make you safe. Whatever it may be, you will believe that it is one with you. Your safety lies in truth, and not in lies. Love is your safety. Fear does not exist. Identify with love, and you are safe. Identify with love, and you are home. Identify with love, and find your Self."

- A Course in Miracles

[Anonymous No.21898176]

>>21896523
>McDonald's is a nourishing meal
It is. A ribeye, salmon and fruit would be superior but mcdonald's is one of the healthiest on the go options and more nourishing than the meals the majority of humans have eaten for the history of civilization. In absence of other options McDonald's is fine, so to is 4chan so your analogy falls apart.

Case in point, a double quarter pounder with cheese:

>Nutritional Information
Nutrition Summary
740Cal.
42grams Total Fat
43grams Total Carb
48grams Total Protein

Quarter Pound 100% Beef Patty*
Ingredients: 100% Pure USDA Inspected Beef; No Fillers, No Extenders.

Prepared With Grill Seasoning (Salt, Black Pepper).*weight Before Cooking 4 Oz.

While not my sandwich of choice and more processed (not the above) — In terms of benefit to cost analysis, one researcher of economics and nutrition remarked that the Mcdouble was “the cheapest, most nutritious, and bountiful food that has ever existed in human history”.

I always noticed the people seething about fast food are always obese as if this is to blame for their condition and they lambast it as “low quality" or "not nutritious". I remember one time I had not eaten for about 36 hours and wanted to stop for some lunch, and a friend was with me and didn't want anything. Then he had the audacity to ask for my extra sandwich to which I obliged. Later that day and the next day he is trying to be a tough guy and moralize about how bad mcdonald's is and chastised me for leading him there. Suffice it to say, he is no longer a friend.

[Anonymous No.21898179]

>>21897406
That's the opposite of a reddit opinion.

[Anonymous No.21898182]

>>21891984
Yeah try Atomised houellebecq

[Anonymous No.21898241]

>>21891998
You’re going to kill him..

[Anonymous No.21898254]

>>21892502
Based as fuck brother

[Anonymous No.21898270]

>>21894951
Take the fightpill.

[Anonymous No.21898280]

>>21895584
I bet you earned lots of seminal moments you cocksucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.21898326]

>>21896377
https://files.catbox.moe/ser773.mp4

[Anonymous No.21898351]

>>21894944
No, it's something you should have accepted a long time ago. It's freeing. You're a normal guy anon, mostly. Nothing more than that.

[Anonymous No.21899624]

>>21893724
>"pants are bullshit" shirt
>wearing pants
Really makes you think

[Anonymous No.21899638]

>>21898351
I think I’ll probably kill myself if that turns out to be the case.

[Anonymous No.21899645]

>>21898351
Why should anyone accept what they fundamentally don’t want? You may not like that they don’t want it, you may not understand it, you may not agree with it, and you may find it freeing to accept something which is not what you want for yoursef, but why should anyone else?

[Anonymous No.21899697]

>>21899624

[Anonymous No.21900887]

>>21899645
Because you're in for a world of pain the longer you deny it. Reality will catch you one day.

[Anonymous No.21901106]

>>21892254
>>21892267
live wojakaryans

[Anonymous No.21901343]

>le just swallow your pride and just start over
Okay. It's been a year and a half since I moved back in with my parents. I completed a seven month online education program. I have spent the last 9 months applying for jobs. I have submitted almost 500 job applications, met with a career coach bi weekly, messed around with resume formatting many times to be ATS friendly and completed a mini internship. I have had only two interviews. So when does your little magical life redirection work?
No, you just don't understand. Or maybe I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you people just think it's implied. The truth is this: rebooting your life in your 30s only works if you aren't clinically retarded or trying to aim too high or trying to pivot to something you have no relevant background in.

[Anonymous No.21901346]

>>21895656
literally VEEP.

[Anonymous No.21901366]

>>21892321
Saturn return?
No it's like the total opposite, your life choices are thrown in your face and you can either continue or change

[Anonymous No.21902884]

I'm going to try and save this thread from page 10, because I'm in the same position and I like sharing my coping mechanisms.

Depending on your age, you can still, maybe, enjoy the experience of youth. It's still possible to travel or fuck 20-year old dating app thots if that's what you want to do. Personally, I think a man 25+ years of age living like a college-age hedonist is cringe and I wouldn't be able to to it without feeling like a boomer trying to prove that he's 'still got it', but it's possible. I think the more important thing to realise is that your life has 'seasons'. Trying to reclaim the season that you missed out on is like going to the beach in winter because you missed out on going during summer rather than just enjoying winter for what it is. A decent career, a wife, a family, a house, decent hobbies and a sense of purpose are all still possible if you're under 30. However, you'll have to accept that your youth is gone and there's no getting it back. You missed out on one thing, but don't obsess over it to the point you miss out of things that are still possible.

[Anonymous No.21902931]

>>21902884
>oh no my youth!! I missed out!!
This is all untermensch shit anyway. A 30 year old man worried about "missing out" is a pathetic navelgazer. I think what most anons here are talking about rather is the anxiety of not being able to create a legacy.

[Anonymous No.21902982]

Is fucking 20 years old cunts and living like le heckin character from The Road is the only triumph? What is this hedonistic shitshow? What is youth well spent? The benchmark of "life fully lived" is just your average hedonistic normalfag? What are you going to do when "real" age, 40s and 50s, will happen and you will grow old?

[Anonymous No.21903016]

>>21902931
>>21902982
I agree that hedonism is a dead end. I've just seen so many people, even on /lit/, complaining about missing out on 'teenage love' that I feel I have to mention it. I also agree that higher achievement is important. What I'm trying to say is that that kind of achievement is still possible starting from 25-30, especially in the modern world where you have almost all human knowledge at your fingertips. The problem is that people can't seem to let go of their fantasy of being a young prodigy or having an adventerous youth. We can't escape the age we're born into. If you were an anxious teenager who got caught up in escapist media and wasted your younger years then it is what it is. Understand that you can still achieve things. You just have to achieve them as an aging adult rather than a young buck (unless you dreamed of being a professional athlete, in which case you're fucked).

Also, I would recommend some of Melville's short stories - the ones he wrote after Moby Dick killed his literary career. They have a running theme of finding meaning in the face of existential depression.

[Anonymous No.21903032]

>>21903016
The problem with faggots on /lit/ who whine about "muh missing youth" are faggots who NEVER bother to change their position. Even if you want to live a hedonistic lifestyle then fucking make some effort towards it.

>Melville's short stories
Thanks, I'll check them out considering Melville was also interested in Schopenhauer in his later age.

[Anonymous No.21903045]

>>21903016
There’s no doubt that you can achieve things but it’s questionable whether they will be things you want to achieve. Statistically, this just seems to be the case. What canonical writer failed to write, or even publish, before 30? I can’t name any.

[Anonymous No.21903050]

>>21892054
shitlennials getting absolutely mindbroken upon realizing they are not the main characters of the universe - couldnt have happened to a more deserving group

[Anonymous No.21903062]

>>21903016
There’s no doubt that you can achieve great things even if you were a complete loser and nobody until 30. If you never did anything, you could still achieve things. But it’s questionable whether you could achieve exactly the things you want to achieve. Imagine you want to be a writer, but not just a regular writer. You want to be a great writer, a canonical great writer. Can you name any canonically great writer that didn’t write, or even wrote but didn’t publish, until 30? There are very few, and it seems almost all of them were doing something sort of related or unrelated but nonetheless interesting while they were young. I can’t think of any that were just normal and unremarkable. They could exist but I can’t think of them. So the reality is that some people become increasingly aware of death and want to leave a legacy and be remembered by history somehow, but the sense they have is that you have to have made the right choices early for that to happen. So the one thing they want more than anything to affirm their life seems off the table. And that’s really what causes the despair over this. All those people whining about mindless hedonism and sex, these people are not really in despair. They’re just bitter about things.

[Anonymous No.21903095]

>>21900887
I already said I would kill myself if that were ultimately true.

[Anonymous No.21903203]

>>21903062
He might not be 'canonical', but I'm fairly certain Haruki Murakami didn't write anything until he was 29.

Regarding everything else, the harsh truth is that if you pursued zero creative endeavors before the age of 30 then you never wanted to be a writer anyway. It's one thing to be someone who always made up stories as a kid and then occasionally wrote a couple of short stories in their early twenties but never committed to it until later because of insecurity. It's another thing to do literally nothing. It might be painful to realise that you're just a normal person, especially if you feel alienated from 'normal' life and cope by telling yourself you're some kind of misunderstood artist, but the truth is that having strong feelings about art and the world does not, by itself, make you a creative person. At that point, you're just depressed because you're not special. That might not be a fun experience, but I think it's a common one - one that most people manage to get over.

[Anonymous No.21903226]

>>21891984
I had deep teenage love

Dated a girl I grew up with through high school. Saw each other every day for years. Nights spent under the stars, going for walks, lazy spring days laying in bed, summer days at the beach, autumn days drinking coffee etc.

Know what happened? We hit 18 and she took off wit an older guy. But then she kept coming back and we went back and forth for another few years where she would basically just mentally torment me

So needless to say, I was a complete disaster for years after that. Between the years we dated, the years we kept going back and forth, and then the fallout, that’s a huge waste of time spent in complete mental and emotional agony

Do not mourn lost young love, it is pure hell, young males are usually not ready for it. I wish I had been building boats or desks or something

[Anonymous No.21903229]

>>21903016
Why idealise boring normalfag shit in the first place? I'm convinced that this attitude towards life arises from a pathetic cowardly quality. I was semi-normal in high school, even had a cute gf, and I get more out of reading works than I ever did from socialising. Normalfags all hate each other anyway, most people don't have a single true friend. I live life for my own interests and my own questions.

[Anonymous No.21903247]

>>21903203
29 is 20s, but more to point, he ran a Jazz bar, which is fairly interesting and not at all totally unremarkable. How is that relatable to the guy who wants to be a canonical writer, but spent 18-31 as a student and accountant? It’s not.

I suppose you’ve not considered that someone can read, not consider writing until they’re 30s or older. There’s no hard rule that says you don’t actually want to do it if you didn’t want to do it earlier. That doesn’t even make logical sense. If you become an accountant, does that mean you really wanted to be an accountant? Obviously, it doesn’t. If what you’re saying was true, people would be doomed to be who they are at 29 for eternity, but that’s obviously not the case. Cormac McCarthy comes to mind. He didn’t publish until he was in his 30s and may not have even written much if anything at all until he was in his 30s either. What he did do was live an interesting life. This is fundamentally the problem. There’s no rule that says you can’t start writing at 34 and be great, but it does seem that it just doesn’t seem to happen for people who haven’t at least lived an interesting life. All this shit about “if you haven’t done already you never will” is just nonsense though.

[Anonymous No.21903263]

>>21903203
And were that to be true, it would not just be “not a fun experience”, it would be a totally unacceptable experience. It would drive someone to suicide, and in your view, they would be right to be driven to it because their fate would be sealed anyway.

[Anonymous No.21903272]

>>21903229
>Why idealise boring normalfag shit in the first place?
It's just basic grass-is-always-greener thinking. I'm convinced that having a gf is vital just so you can move past it - you have to attain something before you can transcend it.

[Anonymous No.21903330]

>>21903272
This happens not just with girls but with education, careers, everything. So many guys spend their 20s in and out of school because they failed right off the bat, only to finally succeed and feel like they wasted all their time doing something they never cared about in the first place.

[Anonymous No.21903346]

>>21891984
Knausgård's My Struggle series is very much about how life is absolute garbage until you get into your 30s.

[Anonymous No.21903353]

>>21903263
>>21903247

I think that what I'm getting at is that not being a writer is not the fundamental problem - the fundamental problem is being depressed that you can't become a writer. Being sad because you're dreams are never going to come true is a common experience. So how does the average person manage to avoid killing themselves just because they're not going to be a Hollywood actor or a professional athlete? As far as I can tell, they just re-conceptualize their identity - they consider their options, find something more realistic to pursue, and achieve that. Ultimately, this is just basic stoicism. Don't worry about things you can't control. Focus on the things you can control. If this is really impossible for you, if you truly, genuinely, cannot imagine any alternate life where you're even remotely happy then yes, I guess suicide is your 'fate'. Even then, why not at least try and reach enlightenment, since you have no earthly attachments anyway?

[Anonymous No.21903378]

>>21903353
There are 2 problems here. The 1st is that just because most people will abandon their ambitions once they feel like they can’t achieve them, doesn’t mean everyone can do that nor does it mean everyone should. Some people will simply find that unacceptable.

The 2nd is that you’re talking about people abandon their childhood and early fantasies. That’s different than someone who goes through the existential crisis of aimlessness, finally decides what they want at 30 as a sort of “this is it, this is all I want out of life” and then if accepting what you say is supposed to abandon that. How do you abandon the one and thing you want from life? There’s no reason to live otherwise. You’re asking people to cope with not just moments, not just periods, but an entire lifetime of disappointment, literally a disappointing life. If they don’t have another dream to dream, there is no settling.

[Anonymous No.21903460]

>>21903378
I mean this in the most honest, genuine way possible, I really do - I think you're missing my essential point, or at least not acknowledging it.

>You cannot get what you want.
This is the situation: you want something but you cannot have it, at least not in this life. You keep coming back to your own feelings and emphasising how strong they are, how intense and inescapable your sadness is. How you feel does not change the situation

>You cannot get what you want.
In such a situation you have two options: cope or kill yourself. Again, not getting what you want is not the real problem. The real problem is feeling sad about not getting what you want. In principle, if you could learn to be okay with not getting what you want then the problem would be solved. This is the essential principle of multiple philosophies: stoicism, buddhism, existentialism etc. However sad you feel about the situation, the situation does not change. Therefore, you attempt change you feelings. It doesn't matter how hard that is. It's either that or suicide.

[Anonymous No.21903503]

I will be 30 in a couple of months so I've been doing some reflection.

INTP, made 500k in crypto (hopefully retire for good in the next bull run), quit my job as a software developer, moved to LA, spending most of my time now working on an indie game / trading crypto / self-improvement (meditation, working out)

Still a virgin. I definitely am very neurotic and anxious.

People say that I am smart, "know everything", have good aesthetic taste but am very weird and socially awkward.

Most of my life so far was spent online, not necessarily on video games, but just reading about stuff, watching YouTube lectures, researching obscure topics and the like.

The main question that's been preoccupying my mind these days is what is my purpose. I am fairly spiritual but not in a Christian religious sort of way; I believe in reincarnation and the eternal soul, and that everyone has a specific purpose that they must find and fulfill in this life. The problem is that most people never find their purpose or are afraid to chase it because of a desire to fit in and so live an unhappy life.

So I am trying to figure out how to leverage my particular combination of skills/interests:

- Software development
- History/Philosophy
- Religious studies
- Worldbuilding (I have a lot of fantasy worlds running in my head)

- Good analytical/logical thinking (compared to most people)
- Perfectionist tendencies
- "Obsession" over what is correct behavior

To make something of value for the world.

[Anonymous No.21903529]

>>21903460
No, you’re not listening, retard. Cormac McCarthy published his first stories in his 30s. If he had his 30th birthday and then come to you and said “Anon, I really love reading and I think I want to be a writer. Actually, I want to be a great writer. I have some really ambitious books in mind.” your actually would’ve told him “Cormac, it’s over. You didn’t write when you were younger so you’re not meant to be a writer. You’ll never be great.” Now, I already mentioned that he did have one big thing working for him and that’s that he had an interesting life. But that’s not what you were talking about. In your worldview, Cormac was hopeless regardless. You would’ve told him to. Ope or kill himself. If he were foolishness enough to take your advice, he probably wouldn’t have tried to publish and probably would’ve never written Blood Meridian or any of his other novels. This is how dumb you’re moralizing about stoicism or accepting your fate or whatever really is. It’s dumb because you fail to even understand what’s actually being considered here. You just assume it’s not in the cards for others because YOU GAVE UP. that’s why your take is worthless. You just wanted a soapbox and you know you did.

[Anonymous No.21903534]

>>21892023
Not much of this really applies to me and I still felt like I was getting shot reading this. Jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.21903552]

American society demands 7+ years of grinding just to qualify for a test that qualifies you to fetch coffee and edit Word docs for lawyers and 4+ years to tell soldiers to clean up brass casings. People can’t even move into the cities near their homes because they’re too expensive. Never mind across the country or across the world. Meanwhile, you’re constantly bombarded with porn, video games, sports, social media, and all kinds of other time wasters. We don’t even actually go out to meet potential partners anymore. We swipe an app from our chairs and beds.

If you aspire to anything less than legendary historical greatness, something that’s probably an oxymoron for the near future and beyond anyway, forgive yourself for growing up in the most static and inert and time wasting period in human history and just do your best from here on out.

[Anonymous No.21903560]

>>21892023
Or pick a profession that peaks at 50 like a writer or comedian.

[Anonymous No.21903590]

>>21903529
Okay, I see the problem. We're talking past each other. I never said that anyone *should* give up. If there is any point where you think I said that then please point me to it so I can figure out what I said wrong. My very first post in this thread was talking about how people in their late 20s should *not* give up. What they should do is accept that they can't get back the time they lost and shouldn't lose out on future opportunities by obsessing over the past. It's only when someone (maybe you) said
>but it does seem that it just doesn’t seem to happen for people who haven’t at least lived an interesting life.
implying that certain things might just not be possible for some people, that I bothered bringing up stoicism. If you truly think you're past the point of no return then thats your only option. Of course, if you don't think you're past the point of no return then just pursue the thing you want to pursue. Or, even better, don't even think about the 'point of no return', just do what you want and let go of expectations.

>YOU GAVE UP.
No, I'm not even 30 yet so I can still cope by telling myself I've still got time. If I had given up I would have followed my own advice and become a hermit. It might still happen, but not yet.

[Anonymous No.21903634]

>>21903590
I’m getting really frustrated with you. Your advice to people in their 20s is totally irrelevant to the discussion. What matters is your advice to people in their 30s. And your advice verbatim was that you’re not meant to be a writer if you haven’t done already at a younger age. So in your view, Cormac McCarthy should’ve either given up or not given up but nonetheless accepted that he wasn’t meant to be a writer before he ever published a single story, maybe before he ever wrote a single story.

[Anonymous No.21903655]

>>21903552
You should especially forgive yourself for mistakes if your ambition is writing. This isn’t some pre-modern culture of gentlemen and letters, or theatre performance and poetry readings. This is a culture of Netflix and Xbox. This isn’t a state with some aristocrats that write poetry, in a culture where poetry was something celebrated. Our aristocrats write fake political memoirs in middle age that nobody reads and go on the Jimmy Kimmel Show. Nobody cares about this stuff now. If you’re smart enough to get shuffled off to college, where they consider a 6-year graduation rate a “success” rate, you’ll be lucky if you get exposed to any decent literature at all. This age is an unmitigated disaster for existence and vocation. You just have to accept that’s the reality you grew up in and forgive yourself for it. Virgil wrote his eclogues when he was like 28 or 29 if I recall, and that was a time where it wasn’t normal to waste your youth on institutional education, shitty careers, and mindless tech distractions.

[Anonymous No.21903716]

>>21903634
>And your advice verbatim was that you’re not meant to be a writer if you haven’t done already at a younger age.
Okay, good, there's my mistake. I should have made the hypothetical situation clearer: if you feel it's too late but you don't even make any attempt, then you should admit to yourself that you don't actually want to do it, you just like the idea of doing it. That's the point here - considering the possibility that you don't actually want what you think you want, which I think is the source of a lot of people's existential crisis.

Personally, I think it's unlikely that someone would write literally nothing before the age of 30. Even McCarthy got published in a student newspaper when he was 24. However, in the scenario where a 35 year old does wake up one day and decides, after a lot of though, that they want to write, then I'm not going to tell them not to. I don't think we actually disagree on anything.

[Anonymous No.21903722]

>>21903716
We disagree on whether one can really want to write if they don’t write before they’re 30. There are plenty of examples of people who wrote nothing until later in life. Is it less likely than someone who writes a bit in their 20s and then comes back to it later? Sure. Is it unheard of? No.

[Anonymous No.21903730]

I just turned 30. I’m very depressed and feel quite miserable about the whole thing. There’s nothing wrong with the age itself, but I’m very, very unhappy with how things have gone.

[Anonymous No.21903743]

I just turned 30. I’m very upset about the whole thing. There’s nothing particularly wrong about the age of 30, or being over 30, but rather it’s the the fact that 30 means the 20s are a done deal that I can’t go back and change. My 20 felt like one giant decline. On paper, I’m still doing okay, but I’m left disappointed with life and my failure to achieve anything else has left me feeling like my future will be the same or worse. People who are still in their 20s should consider reading Michel Houllebecq’s essay To Stay Alive: A Method, I think.

[Anonymous No.21903759]

>>21891984
Aging is great, have kids.

[Anonymous No.21903971]

Not a book, but a series of books. Read biographies. Your take away will be that you should at the very least be really adventurous with your remaining youthful years.

[Anonymous No.21903992]

>>21903743
Well I was sick from 21 to 29, I'm now 31 and going to college. It's just a number, what matters is health and how your body feels.

[Anonymous No.21904078]

>>21903992
I’m sorry that you were sick, but you have to admit that in retrospect it’s at least somewhat interesting, more interesting than if you had been like a dispassionate college student and office worker.

[Anonymous No.21904100]

>>21903992
It sucks that you were suck, but don’t you think that is at least more interesting in retrospect than if you had like been healthy but fat, gone to school but graduated late with bad grades, got a job but a sort of boring and mediocre one. I think if we are honest, we can say that your story is obviously more inspiring.

[Anonymous No.21904107]

>>21903992
It sucks that you were suck, but don’t you think that is at least more interesting in retrospect than if you had like been healthy but fat, gone to school but graduated late with bad grades, got a job but a sort of boring and mediocre one? It may not be optimal as a student or a career person, but I think if we are honest, we can say that for someone like a writer, your story would obviously more inspiring. This is really what I mean. It’s not so much the pain of feeling great failure or setbacks or being behind, but just sort of nothing, no victories, no losses, just a record of going through the motions and being totally unremarkable.

[Anonymous No.21904109]

>>21891984
Yes, literally the Classics dating back to antiquity. In Plato's Republic they literally say that you only become a full man at 30, everything before that was just the lead up to it.

[Anonymous No.21904124]

>>21904109
And yet Plato, like the rest, found his calling before 30…

[Anonymous No.21904180]

>>21904124
I'm 44 and I had a great time getting to this point. It has been tough after my kid was born, but that's mostly due to the political and cultural nose-dive in Canada that makes this place such a shit place to live and work.

If you live an adventurous life, you'll never feel old. I still feel like I'm mentally 25 years old or even younger. Life is what you make of it, and you're only "old" if you act that way.

I have a friend who is rich as fuck and has all the toys, but he's got no family and has no real passions. Dude just drives around road-raging at people as his hobby, no shit, it's ridiculous. He told me about how he loves to brake-check people with bright headlights. Like dude, I haven't talked to you in years and the most important thing you want to talk about is your road rage? Haha, okay...

2023 is pretty fucked though, you can't even say "women don't have a penis" without getting banned everywhere.

[Anonymous No.21904227]

>>21904107
Well my situation made me appreciate the physical more, I am more in tune with my body and it's needs and do way way way more exercise.

It's weird but I have no idea how I would feel if I was 20 on paper if I feel light like a feather now?

Just have a goal and work towards it.

[Anonymous No.21904303]

>>21903992
Was also sick through my 20’s. What were you sick with?

I Managed to slog through college somehow

Good job starting now though, you’ll prob retain a lot more

[Anonymous No.21904324]

>>21904180
I think the issue at hand is that if you’ve not lived an adventurous life, you can’t change that. I spent the greater part of my twenties chasing a degree and then a career and the lesser parts a girl or just wasting time on video games, on movies, or here. I knew what I wanted when I was 25, but I failed to capitalize.

[Anonymous No.21904335]

>>21904227
It’s just more interesting in general. There’s a sort of story there, and it’s different. What people really lament is the lack of a story that is in any way remarkable or different. To feel painfully average is actually the most painful.

[Anonymous No.21904362]

>>21904227
I think it’s more interesting in general. I think what bothers most people when they turn reach their thirties is not necessarily that they haven’t had success yet, whether success is in school or career or some artistic pursuit. What they really regret is that they had nothing particularly different or interesting about their lives at all. Your having been sick gives you a sort of life story that other people just don’t have. Someone who wants to be a painter, but spent 18-30 as a finance student and financial analyst at a bank, with no interesting details in between, might be more successful on paper than a sick person who suffered a lot of set backs and is just now pursuing college, but they have less to be personally proud of and a lot fewer reasons to be hopeful.

[Anonymous No.21904446]

>>21893798
My friend, how could you POSSIBLY know that something is not worth the effort if you never even fucking try?
>I choose to hate women and waste tax money
You are choosing to be a failure because you’re afraid of rejection, of trying and failing, and you’re afraid of putting in the necessary work to make yourself a stable, likable person. Hell, I’m far from that description and even I have some self awareness of this fact. I know that nobody owed me anything after I turned 18, and that any dissatisfaction I have which I can directly change is MY OWN DAMNED FAULT.

This nihilistic, spiteful rage you have is impotent and is the very thing which creates crime and causes undue tragedies upon people who don’t deserve it. The world owes you nothing, you have to have the hutzpah to go find it for yourself. (Jesus, I really oughta take my own advice).

[Anonymous No.21904453]

>>21894982
I write four hours a day. I approach women on the streets. I seduce beautiful women, regularly. I even run my own company. And I am only 37 years old. This all started 17 years ago. You want a book about why life is worth living past 30? You are looking for my life story.

[Anonymous No.21904492]

I'm under 30, had a pretty rad life, but I can't write for shit so I guess it makes no difference to me.

[Anonymous No.21904496]

>>21895584
>you must work harder than anyone you know
Truest thing in this thread. In order to achieve anything worthwhile, you have to work day and night on that thing. Practicing, honing, perfecting, and making progress. Otherwise it all falls to the wayside while you fuck around on the internet for three hours a day or goof off playing vidya.

[Anonymous No.21904508]

>>21895653
That webm is absolutely cursed. Look at his eyes.

[Anonymous No.21904526]

>>21904324
How old are you right meow?

Do you have money?

You can still form a "base" of your personality in 2023 if you have money. You can create your own "origin story" if you have the resources to gather like-minded people around you.

Are you seeking adventure in 2023?

[Anonymous No.21904530]

>>21895653
Why does she look like a literal demon? I'm not even just being mean about an ugly person, she looks like she died a week ago and was resurrected. Shes fucking grey

[Anonymous No.21904736]

>>21897406
theres no rage or any other reddit-fashioned emotions in this one, just gentle humility.

[Anonymous No.21904777]

It's not a book, but Ulysses by Tennyson features some good lines about it:

Old age hath yet his honour and his toil;
Death closes all: but something ere the end,
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.
The lights begin to twinkle from the rocks:
The long day wanes: the slow moon climbs: the deep
Moans round with many voices. Come, my friends,
'T is not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.
It may be that the gulfs will wash us down:
It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,
And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

[Anonymous No.21904782]

>>21895653
h..help?

[Anonymous No.21905039]

>>21904526
I’m 30. I have some money, not a lot but some. I am looking for adventure but I also tend to think I missed the window. I should have joined the army at 18 or something. I’d have some direction now if I had done the things I wish I had.

[Anonymous No.21905044]

>>21904453
So you started at 20. You have nothing to do with the topic. Your story is unrelatable.

[Anonymous No.21905046]

>>21895653
The sense is that if you were meant for something, that tendency or destiny would’ve shown itself far earlier than 30.

[Anonymous No.21905486]

>>21895653
Name one writer who started writing after 30.

[Anonymous No.21905491]

>>21905486
Most of them actually

[Anonymous No.21905804]

Up to 30 has been such a miserable failure that I will certainly kill myself if things don’t radically change in the next year so I sure hope so but I see almost no books mentioned.

[Anonymous No.21906327]

>all these posters whining about lack of sex
I thought this was a meme. It's hard for me to imagine there are actually men out there who think their lives are shit because they couldn't stick a bit of meat in a wet hole.

[Anonymous No.21906336]

>>21906327
It's not that it would make the rest of life better, it's that a starving man can't focus on the other good things he has when he's just in starvation pain all the time

[Anonymous No.21906380]

When I was 18 I met a cute girl who turned into a psycho overnight. She had BPD. It turned me off women entirely. Around the same time my best friend since childhood got a disgusting fat slob of a gf who he said had a "heart of gold". We went our seperate ways. He stuck with his gf, went through college, and got a job. I never went to college and decided that I would devote my life to art. My family tried their best to convince me I was on the wrong path. An aunt from England flew down and gave me the old "focus on getting a regular job and do art in your free time, or when you're above 30 and have settled down". I didn't listen to any of them. 11 years on I think getting into art was the best thing I ever did. I draw several hours every day, it's what I life for. My poor best friend who did things by the book tried to commit suicide last year. He feels he can't leave his pig gf because she will accuse him of rape if he does. Strange how things work out.

[Anonymous No.21906408]

>>21905039
Just go back to college and lie about your age.
>>21904303
Chron's, scoliosis and subsequent depression (followed from the the two former conditions).
>>21904362
Honestly smoking weed all the time and relaxing in spas for 7-8 years with medical exercises is not that interesting, it felt like a prolonged summer holiday.

[Anonymous No.21906442]

The perpetually blackpilled are miserable cancers who want everyone to feel as awful as they do, but it's all bullshit. There are numerous historical examples of people rising to greatness and finding their passions well beyond the completely arbitrary 30 number, which is even more meaningless in the context of modern, longer-lived humans.

[Anonymous No.21906454]

>>21906327
It's always touted as one of the core experiences of being a human. And if one doesn't succeed, or have never had that experience at all, depending on how ingrained that message is, will definitely affect you. The fear you're missing out, not part of the world, not even human. To get out of it would require either changing that thought/idea about sex, or ascend and achieve something that more resembles normal human experience.

For someone that's never had sex especially when they get old, you can guarantee that they're probably not doing well in other areas of their life, so it's just ends up being miserable all around and why this place is miserable a lot of the time.

[Anonymous No.21906469]

>>21906454
You have time until 50 to go back to college and bang a college girl.

[Anonymous No.21906482]

>>21906469
Fuck no, zoomer students will look at someone in their late 20's as a creep for existing. If you haven't lost it by 22 sorry to say it, you're a creep

[Anonymous No.21906652]

>>21906408
I have a college degree. I don’t need or want to go back to college. I actually did everything right. It’s just that everything I did was so plain and unremarkable and half-assed or downright embarrassing that it would have been better to not have done it at all. Your story actually is interesting, whether you believe it or not.

[Anonymous No.21906656]

>>21904446
>>I choose to hate women and waste tax money
This is based, although hating women is optional. Probably best just to be indifferent. Nothing irritates them more.

[Anonymous No.21906658]

>>21893798
based

[Anonymous No.21906698]

>>21906656
There are better ways. You can not legally marry your wife or claim your kids on their birth certificates so that she and they can all file for welfare as a single mother and food stamps. Then you sublet rooms of your house to them and she *pays* you rent. (This is what the mormons do and its how they afford so many kids) Other things you can do is keep your homes footprint small and furnish your garage or barn for home recreation without paying taxes for that improvement. You can also form an llc and write everything off as a work expense as well as keep your pay very low while paying into a company retirement. It is possible to not pay all your slave garnishments or claw some back.

[Anonymous No.21906728]

>>21906652
>Your story actually is interesting, whether you believe it or not.
It's not, it was just a long ass holiday and now I'm back to normal.
>>21906482
Those people are subhuman then. Having sex with 19 year olds is a sign of a refined gentleman.

[Anonymous No.21906758]

>>21906728
I will grant you that it’s not optimal but it is more interesting than doing things by the book, successfully or poorly. You might not want to admit it right now, but you know it’s true.

[Anonymous No.21906883]

>>21906758
Not everybody is a generational talent and it takes a lot of balls, luck, capital, and nepotism to make it in any creative venture without undeniable and massive talent. And even then it won't get you anywhere. Chris Stapleton is a generational talent in country rock music and he sells less than the autotuned country rap bullshit.

Honestly it's better to focus on things like your spirituality, skills in hunting, carpentry, cooking and preserving, gardening, beekeeping, welding, etc. Minimizing your wageslavery and proximity to cities without sacrificing too much compensation is the clearest path to me. But I would much much rather take a 6 day kayaking trip down the gc or take a mountain goat hunting trip up to idaho than visit a city like bruges or rome or paris. I'd rather have a wife that is competent and can keep up than waste time fucking 19yo space cadets. Having to hold a womans hand through simple tasks or slow down for them is unbelievably frustrating.

[Anonymous No.21907049]

>>21906883
To each their own. What we want out of life is clearly different and I clearly have hang ups about my own personal life and from that perspective I’m taking a position on yours.

[Anonymous No.21907075]

>>21892023
Neuroplasticity is a meme. Maybe if you're trying to be some avant guard auteur and come up with totally random shit, but for virtually everything else you can narrow every venture you'd ever want to take down to a general set of steps or best practices and go from there. The idea that you can never achieve anything new after 26 is hilarious when you consider that most great creatives historically never accomplished anything until around age 30 and teenage success is an entirely modern capitalist thing.
Stop listening to doomers.

[Anonymous No.21907121]

Dante was at least 35 when he wrote the Divine Comedy.

[Anonymous No.21907156]

>>21907075
>Neuroplasticity is a meme.
It starts to decrease after 26. It doesn't nosedive like that other anon says, but decreases slowly and gradually. It's an absurd cope that doomers use because they imagine it gives them an excuse to rot away.

[Anonymous No.21907199]

>>21907156
Art isn’t subject to made up biological determinism. Moreover, no scientist ever looked into a microscope and watched someone’s neurons disappear.

[Anonymous No.21907216]

>>21907075
It’s definitely true that very few creatives accomplished their masterpiece until 30 at least, but it also seems true that very few creatives start to create after 30. I’m not saying it can’t be done. I’m simply stating my observations.

[Anonymous No.21907221]

>>21891998
I'm halfway through this book and I can't tell whether it's a blackpill or a whitepill. One thing I can say is that it's probably not going to help the average 4chan doomer. The advice seems good but all the author's patients are normalfags with good degrees. The bit about the hapa-girl who was a virgin until 25(?) is tailor-made to piss off incels.

>female virgin who was bullied in school and has no self-esteem
>goes out with friends, gets drunk and decides to actually put herself out there for once
>ends up fucking the lead singer of a band in the back of a limousine
>proceeds to spend the next two years fucking a different guy every week
>is depressed because filling her vagina cannot fill her heart

[Anonymous No.21907235]

>>21907221
I can relate to this somewhat though because as a man, a primary regret is not doing the right things. The female equivalent is doing all of the wrong things.

[Anonymous No.21907240]

>>21907221
It's neither. I'm a 29 y/o virgin failure of a human, but I mostly got explanations/info from that book, rather than any sort of feeling. Really liked the stuff about identity capital which was pretty good and a few other concepts, but yes, the normie cases are frustrating to read about.

[Anonymous No.21907411]

>>21906758
I wasn't that anon but maybe I will realize it in the future. For now, I'm enjoying my health and regained pseudo-youth.

[Anonymous No.21907420]

>>21907216
Of course the spongebrain nature of childhood and early adolescence is an amazing resource used to its fullest by most of the greats, but the real function there is in learning how to handle information and integrate it into decisionmaking, not so much the amount of practice or rote memorization someone has had. Someone who never started painting until their adulthood is probably not going to turn into Michelangelo, but that was a given anyways. You're not going to be the top .1% in any endeavor and should never use that as the threshold of whether you should engage in a passion or activity period.

[Anonymous No.21907469]

>>21907420
Why compete if you have no chance of winning?

[Anonymous No.21907606]

>>21907469
>winning
If you see it as a zero-sum game you've already lost. This is especially true for artists/writers

[Anonymous No.21907633]

>>21907606
Okay so don’t call it winning. Call it achieving greatness, being remembered, being influential, whatever you want. If you don’t aspire to doing the thing to it’s fullest potential, why do it? This is fundamentally the issue. Because a lot of people want to start things in their 30s, 40s, or 50s but they don’t because they worry that in the end, they can’t ever be Michelangelo. To say “well, you should have never wanted that” seems to me to miss the point.

[Anonymous No.21907837]

>>21903503
What pushes you towards the belief of reincarnation and a purpose? Just interested because some of your interests and job seem similar to mine.

[Anonymous No.21907957]

>>21903503
I totally agree that most people never find a purpose because they never chase after it. In fact, most people never even ask the question. But don’t you think that if you’ve made it to 30 without feeling strongly what your purpose is, that maybe you don’t have one? I’m asking not to imply that you don’t but to pick your brain about it. The bit about most your life being spent online is very relatable and I suspect it’s a big reason people don’t find passions until later if at all.

[Anonymous No.21907966]

>>21904107
What you call unremarkable, for some would be a great feat. Your perspective seems a bit fucked. I do agree that his life being sick could be a slightly better biography, but i don't think that means the "average" through the motions guy you described is unable to create something masterful just because his life is "average".

[Anonymous No.21907986]

>>21907966
It does seem that way though. I can’t think of any examples that suggest the contrary.

[Anonymous No.21908789]

>>21907633
You could do it for the sake of the activity itself. Why do you need recognition?

[Anonymous No.21908827]

>>21907986
Once an "average" person creates something masterful, he is no longer average, and no longer meets the criteria for your example.

Even if you found this example, it's not going to push you to become great, you just need to have the courage to try and probably fail otherwise you're just stuck talking about your inability to be great on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.21908838]

>>21895697
Saddest cope I’ve ever heard. This is like saying “most people aren’t born as literal slaves so it’s actually better to be one”

[Anonymous No.21908866]

>>21908789
I don’t think it’s necessarily recognition that’s sought after.
.

[Anonymous No.21908880]

>>21908827
I agree. I’m just saying that I don’t know if any examples of this. I don’t know of any examples where someone was average through most of young adulthood and then mastered some craft they didn’t already dabble in fairly young.

But in the end, it’s probably better to be the first than to be the best.

[Anonymous No.21908909]

>>21908866
What else is "achieving greatness, being remembered, being influential" besides recognition?

[Anonymous No.21908925]

>>21908909
I think there is a motivation to receive fame and notoriety, but I also just think the natural thing to do in any pursuit is want to be the best. If you’re an artist, you’re going to want the best art.

[Anonymous No.21908928]

>>21908880
There's loads of examples a quick web search, or chatgpt search away, but you really don't want to find a reason to start shooting for greatness. It sounds like you just want to find reasons to give up.

[Anonymous No.21908935]

>>21908909
You know, there are a lot of writers that were really influential but not that well-known.

[Anonymous No.21908940]

>>21908928
I’d be lying if I said this isn’t something I’ve thought about and which has bothered me, but I really am simply stating my observations.

[Anonymous No.21908947]

>>21892023
>If you're near 30 and you still haven't "found your place", then don't worry, most people feel that way. Just get comfy and enjoy the nice parts of life. You'll never be great; most people aren't. Just relax and do what you can to make the world a little bit nicer to whatever extent you're able.
sound advice. being an adult is kind of just accepting life for how disappointing and shitty it is

[Anonymous No.21908951]

>>21908925
Why do you think that the "natural" thing to aim for is being the best? What if you just do a thing, with no concept of best or worst.

You don't have any activites that bring you joy, that you do without a judgement of good or bad?

[Anonymous No.21908980]

>>21908940
Then why are you ignoring the fact that these people that become great at a late age do exist?

[Anonymous No.21909004]

>>21908928
Chatgpt says there are very few.

[Anonymous No.21909013]

>>21908980
I’m not saying writers don’t achieve greatness at a later age. I’m saying that I personally don’t know of any examples of writers who became great that started late.

[Anonymous No.21909018]

>>21908951
Honestly, no. I can think of work, which I do because I have to without care for whether it’s good or bad, but that’s all.

[Anonymous No.21909019]

All of society and the world encourages the young to waste their youth. Nietzsche says this too:
>“Youth is an unpleasant period; for then it is not possible or not prudent to be productive in any sense whatsoever.”

Nietzsche spent his 20s at university studying a subject he thought was meaningless, drinking with a bunch of retards at a club, and writing bad poetry. Is this not how 99% of /lit/ posters ITT probably spent their 20s?

[Anonymous No.21909034]

>>21909018
Something might be wrong with your dopamine, not tryna be rude or anything.

[Anonymous No.21909111]

>>21909034
I’m not in a happy period of my life, I admit, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong either.

[Anonymous No.21909116]

>>21908947
Life has always been kind of shitty. But aren’t you jealous of people who had so much to do while they were young and accomplished so much? I mean, why are we here if we have an entire history of people who had to do things and were called to do things but we are just supposed to tolerate work and kill time until we die?

[Anonymous No.21909122]

>>21909116
>I mean, why are we here if we have an entire history of people who had to do things and were called to do things but we are just supposed to tolerate work and kill time until we die?
You lack the courage to do otherwise

[Anonymous No.21909152]

>>21909122
The courage to do what exactly?

[Anonymous No.21909173]

>>21909111
>>21909111
What are you right about?

Dopamine is not a "happy" chemical. It's more of a drive/motivation chemical.

[Anonymous No.21909194]

>>21909173
Well, I can’t say I’ve felt particularly driven either. My dopamine is probably very messed up. I think I’m right that being the best is a natural thing to aim for when you’re an artist.

[Anonymous No.21909208]

>>21909194
I don't think you are correct, but i'll be straight, i am not in the mood to explain why. I've spent too much time in the thread already. I just hope you can find something that allows you to be content.

[Anonymous No.21909247]

>>21909194
>I can’t say I’ve felt particularly driven either
You wouldn't be in this thread if you were totally ambivalent. I think you've swallowed the myth that artistry is 100% unrestrained passion, when the truth is it's a lot of grinding and hard work, and the muse is never gonna come until you call her.

[Anonymous No.21909545]

>>21909247
I haven’t. I think artistry is something you work at, talent is something you uncover with focused effort, and in general making art is something you can get better at. I think what I am is just depressed and well, disappointed. As for that last bit, I don’t know what you mean by that.