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[Anonymous No.21876609]

Adorable cat in bed edition

Previous thread: >>21868263


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hopefully we can keep dicussion of cuckoldry to a classy level this thread

[Anonymous No.21876612]

>>21876609
what the fuck does a cat in a bed have to do with sffg, fagget?

[Anonymous No.21876613]

whats your favorite fantasy novel of all time

[Anonymous No.21876617]

>>21876612
He posted it to feel dopamine from people replying to his thread, since he's a loser.

[Anonymous No.21876620]

>>21876612
maybe he's a magic cat

[Anonymous No.21876623]

>>21876613
the bible

[Anonymous No.21876634]

Do any of the main characters actually die in the Stormlight Archive? It feels like they always barely get away.

[Anonymous No.21876642]

>>21876634
it's YA

[Anonymous No.21876688]

>>21876612
Cat have to do with everything, they rule the internet.

[Anonymous No.21876694]

Just caught up on the last thread, here is my attempt at classy cuckold discussion.
If the modern attitude of cuckolding is being ignored by any woman you have an interest in in favor of another man, then how do I write the following:
In one story, I have a character who has a boyhood crush on a girl who is several years his senior, he fantasizes about being with her secretly, though he is her friend, he never reveals that he is romantically interested, and he is intimidated by her age over him. At some point another one of his friends successfully makes a move on her and those two end up together, the main character is horrified, left empty, emotionally damaged and it leads him to rush into a poorly conceived relationship to cope with the pain as an important story point.
This is based HEAVILY on my own experiences when I was 18 or so, to the point that only a few details are changed/omitted, but the way this thread reacts is that oversensitive people will think that it's fetishism. Is there ANY way to write this that you people who are sensitive about cuckold fetishization wouldn't object to?
And to the people saying that the protagonist being snubbed for another man makes you feel bad via sympathy, consider that may have been the point; you are meant to feel bad, you are MEANT to be in pain alongside the protagonist, that is part (the greater part I would argue) of sympathy. If you just want the character to always succeed in romance then that sounds more like you want the romance aspect of the character to be wish fulfillment, or at least super idealized, while the rest of the character's foibles and failures are perfectly okay as long as it doesn't remind you of romantic failure.
To end on a less classy note, it reminds me of that image of the emotionally stunted dude smoking weed and eating fruit loops while watching rick and morty, no bad feelings, no bad thoughts etc, and if you can't read on, due to the pain of being snubbed being terrible for you then stop being a sensitive little bitch.

[Anonymous No.21876702]

>>21876688
go neck yourself, fagget

[Anonymous No.21876719]

>>21876694
No need for analysis, it's just cringe resentment against women having sex because they are in the group of men who didn't have that experience. Most men don't give a fuck because they purity is meaningless to them unless the girl's a slut. Only the most pathetic sub-group of incels keep raging about it, even in a thread about fucking fantasy books. This discourse couldn't happen anywhere else because in no other place people would pay attention.

[Anonymous No.21876724]

What do you guys rec for a standalone, or at least short series (<1000 pages), high fantasy series. I'm on the mood for some dragons and earth shattering magic.

[Anonymous No.21876732]

>>21876694
Bro, normal people don’t care if their partner has had sex before. It’s expected after a certain point in time, in fact it should be a red flag if the girl you’re interested in is a virgin.

What >>21876719 said is 100% right. The only people screaming about virginity are resentful incels. I feel sorry for them almost, but in reality no one actually cares if the girl has had sex or previous relationships, it’s normal. Now if she’s a slut that sleeps with anyone and everyone that’s another story

[Anonymous No.21876744]

>>21876719
>>21876732
There's a bit of a line I'm trying to identify with the post. I myself hate examples of actual cuck fetishism in literature, but I think it's had this magnifying effect in meme culture, separate from the incel handwave, where people have become hyper sensitive of it.

[Anonymous No.21876774]

Finished the new Will Wight book today. It was pretty good. Wight's simple but endearing characters continue to be his strength, though the book has really awkward pacing. Like it's almost as if the first 150-ish pages are act 1 and 2, and then the entire remaining 3/4 of the book is act 3. Pretty good. A few funny moments. Nothing too deep, but it's clearly not trying to be anything more than it is (which seems to be "man who's lived several lives as being part of different sci-fi stories unites various people who seem to come from different genres entirely to be part of a ship of heroes to save the galaxy several times over"), so I'm not gonna be too weird about that. Honestly, the weakest part is the protagonist himself is a little bland. Not even in the sense of being relatively normal so everybody around him can be something interesting like Lindon, he's just... Kind of a guy who's doing stuff. Compared to how out-there every other major character comes across as, Varic's a little lacklustre.

[Anonymous No.21876792]

>>21876694
Simply put, don't care about what other people think. If incels are going to rave about how it's cuckshit, then who cares? Most people won't care.

[Anonymous No.21876797]

>>21876609
Which fantasy settings have the best takes on dragons? Especially elemental ones?

[Anonymous No.21876804]

>>21876792
I didn't mean to imply I'd care in terms of my own story, I really don't, more just trying to argue with/understand the mentality of the people who would disagree with it.

[Anonymous No.21876811]

>>21876702
So you're more of a dog person then?

[Anonymous No.21876820]

>>21876774
After the success of Cradle you would have thought he could afford a better cover than that.

[Anonymous No.21876827]

>>21876820
Eh, I don't really care too much about the cover. It's pretty much exactly what Varic looks like at least, though it is just kind of 'him standing there'. I'm gonna assume there'll be six books total, given there's a point made of there being six crew members for the big fancy space ship (Captain, Pilot, Commander, Engineer, Sword and Knight) and the next book is called The Engineer, so probably a sort of 'each book is a bit more focal on that character' deal. We'll see if the trend of just kind of okay covers continues.

[Anonymous No.21876865]

>>21876827
It looks incredibly cheap.

[Anonymous No.21876883]

>>21876865
I think in some sense that's intentional, it's meant to be a sort of "low-budget"-feeling story, but maybe I'm just making shit up. Or maybe he just doesn't care much about covers. Given Cradle's covers are just kind of monocolour backgrounds with some sort of symbol on top, it tracks.

[Anonymous No.21876886]

>>21876694
Have you considered that some people just don't want to read about your sexual humiliation?

[Anonymous No.21876890]

how do you deal with the fact that no one in the middle ages shaved their pubes? whenever i read a fantasy novel i cant stop thinking about how hairy everyone is down there

[Anonymous No.21876895]

What is the parodius of Science fiction and or Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.21876897]

>>21876883
The Cradle covers may have just been ideograms but they looked professionally done and of high quality. This is the complete opposite and worse than most self-published stuff (which isn't great to start with). I guess with a now built-in audience he doesn't have to try anymore.

[Anonymous No.21876898]

>>21876774
I don't like literal magic wands in space

[Anonymous No.21876902]

>>21876890
By not having uncontrollably intrusive thoughts. My condolences fellow sufferer of mental illness.

[Anonymous No.21876903]

>>21876609
>Unsurpassed worldbuilding
>Unmatched art and illustrations
Will it ever be topped?

[Anonymous No.21876912]

I haven't read anything this month. I'm really slacking.

[Anonymous No.21876915]

>>21876890
> # pf people with this problem
1

[Anonymous No.21876922]

>>21876898
Well, that's sort of the shtick of the story is it's sci-fantasy. Magic and tech just sort of co-exist, and the general idea is "tech is reliable and efficient, magic is grand and potent but arduous".

[Anonymous No.21876923]

>>21876897
What specifically makes it look bad? I'll admit it's not a stellar cover or anything, but it hardly jumps out as garbage.

[Anonymous No.21876934]

>>21876923
It's low effort digital art, devoid of any really appealing style, mastery, or even anything really interesting, it's a turn off.

[Anonymous No.21876936]

>>21876820
Starlord colors luhmao

[Anonymous No.21876939]

>>21876922
I like space fantasy, but I don't like literal fucking Harry Potter with 1980s neon lights tacked on

[Anonymous No.21876947]

>>21876934
Eh, yeah, fair. I suppose it's not really that it's bad so much as it's sort of just nothing. Admittedly, even his other non-Cradle books are at least a little more something.

[Anonymous No.21876949]

>>21876934
> it's a turn off.
this. he would have been better served with something AI generated. at least it wouldn't look like something a third-grader drew.

[Anonymous No.21876952]

>>21876939
I mean, it is what it is. If you don't like it you don't have to read it.

[Anonymous No.21876954]

All fantasy covers are shit. They're just so fucking tacky, they scream "made by fat nerds for fat nerds". Yeah I know it's a fantasy novel, it's not high literature but can we get some actual decent looking covers here?

[Anonymous No.21877033]

>reading through the signature sanderson ending sequence
>shallan starts struggling with her multiple personality disorder in the middle of the final battle
>fall asleep while reading that shit
>wake up
>falling action over
>shallan outright expresses in front of her husband-to-be that she wants to fuck kaladin but blames it on the multiple personalities, adolin says that's fine. Wow

[Anonymous No.21877060]

>>21877033
You ask too much of women

[Anonymous No.21877080]

>>21877033
Kaladin doesn’t need that whore, he has Syl

[Anonymous No.21877083]

>>21876903
Think this is the first time I've seen this series outside of /tg/. Those guys really seem to love edgeworld

[Anonymous No.21877102]

>>21877033
Adolin will become evil theory

[Anonymous No.21877104]

>>21876954
Modern fantasy covers are shit. Older ones have a kitsch to them which adds to the charm

[Anonymous No.21877134]

the discworld covers are a travesty

[Alex Beyman No.21877169]

Some covers a talented artist friend made for me:

[Alex Beyman No.21877178]

[Alex Beyman No.21877182]

[Alex Beyman No.21877189]

[Alex Beyman No.21877194]

[Anonymous No.21877195]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.21877198]

space cats

[Alex Beyman No.21877200]

He goes by Akklonia, if anyone wants to commission a cover from him: akklonia.artstation.com

[Anonymous No.21877203]

>>21876903
Aah this brings back memories. I used to love this series. I keep wanting to revisit it because I barely remember anything. Is it still worth a read if you’re no longer a child?

[Anonymous No.21877207]

>>21877169
>>21877178
>>21877182
>>21877189
>>21877194
>>21877200
Oh, hey there Alex. I hope you are keeping that bussy tight, and are taking your whore moans.

[Alex Beyman No.21877209]

>>21877207

What

[Anonymous No.21877212]

>>21876609
SOVL cat, fuck that retard posting souless IA trash edition thread

[Anonymous No.21877330]

>>21876609
The Night Angel Trilogy.
I read the first book and I guess I enjoyed it a good bit since I finished it in three days. But for some reason I don’t feel like reading the next two books. Usually if I liked the first book I’ll immediately get the rest of the series but not in this case. Is the rest of the trilogy worth reading? I’m really conflicted because on one hand it was a decent read but on the other there was just too much cringe for my taste. What did you think of it?

[Anonymous No.21877345]

>>21877330
It's known for its cringe more than anything else and isn't well-regarded here. It will become even more cringe.

[Anonymous No.21877454]

Thoughts on Raymond E Feist?

[Anonymous No.21877535]

>>21877454
Magician Apprentice+Master are great. Got someone into reading fantasy (who never had before) through those books. Darkness at Sethanon was really good too. His cowriting with Janny Wurtz in the Daughter of the Empire series was a great read too. Faerie Tale was a cool read too.

[Anonymous No.21877536]

>>21876694
tl;dr
>>21876719
>>21876732
Still not reading cuck literature.

[Anonymous No.21877542]

I want to write fantasy strictly in the American vein. Smith and Howard, shorter, atmospheric, dark, brooding, adventurous stories. Healthy influence from Melville, Poe, and Hawthorne. Frazetta and the Dillons. No more multi-book long doorstoppers, no more epic fantasy, good versus evil (although I don't have a problem with that theme specifically). And I'm not talking Martin, no mud-and-torches medieval moral grayness. High adventure. Frontiers. Not straight pulp, something with a little more weight than those adventure yarns like stuff out of old 1930s boys' magazines. Something closer to the heart and soul of a western instead of a Celtic myth or legend.

[Anonymous No.21877543]

here's a really good YA book from pre-Harry Potter days.

[Anonymous No.21877563]

>>21877542
In a perfect world we'd all be writing that. Let us know how it goes for you.

[Anonymous No.21877570]

manchild trying to get back into reading. I want to ease into it though with some schlock. Recommend me some more recently written YA coming of age power of friendship type stuff (that's not cradle). No black company or gene wolfe or stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.21877576]

>>21877570
unironically brandon sanderson

[Anonymous No.21877591]

All anyone cares about is space cats. Where are the space dogs? The space horses? The space giraffes?

[Anonymous No.21877597]

>>21877591
>Where are the space dogs? The space horses? The space giraffes?
reddit, that's where

[Anonymous No.21877625]

>>21877570
Most good YA nowadays is in the form of Japanese comic books. But yeah like the other anon said read the first Mistborn or something

[Anonymous No.21877651]

>>21877570
Mage Errant (schlock all the way through)
Red Rising (stops being schlock after book 1)
Skyward (100% Sanderson Schlock)
The Rise of Kyoshi (pretty good if you like Avatar)
Iron Widow
A Practical Guide to Evil

[Anonymous No.21877832]

>>21877536
Based

[Anonymous No.21877837]

>>21876774
Good review. I read it today as well. Varic does come off as a bit bland at times; I think that he's really characterized as someone who feels kind of lost and somewhat directionless. He has more than enough power to do pretty much anything he wants, but he's also saddled with the knowledge that despite standing at the absolute pinnacle of human sorcery he still isn't enough to win the battles that need to be won. So he's a bit of a wandering doomer, which imo isn't quite as interesting to read about as someone who has a strong purpose and motivation.

[Anonymous No.21877843]

[Anonymous No.21877871]

Enjoying this a lot more than I expected to, what are some other essential Turtledove reads?

[Anonymous No.21877896]

Any fantasy series that has good romance where two enemies become lovers? Like actually done well maybe having both characters involved as POV characters

[Anonymous No.21877910]

>>21877896
Thief series by Megan Whalen Turner.

[Anonymous No.21877916]

>>21877896
Enemies to Lovers is a very popular trope, especially in YA meant for women.

[Anonymous No.21877917]

[Anonymous No.21878049]

>>21876634
I don't think we have lost any major good team PoV characters yet, but I think it's expected we will lose some in the next book.
If you want MCs dying try the mistborn books

[Anonymous No.21878051]

>>21876797
Realm of the elderlings has good dragons, but not elemental

[Anonymous No.21878067]

>>21877896
The dread empire
Actually quite a lot of romance in it

[Anonymous No.21878108]

>>21877536
Sorry your bf left you for another woman

[Anonymous No.21878119]

>>21876694
Youre conflating being cucked with being a cockoldry fetishist. Theyre simply not the same thing.
>the main character is horrified, left empty, emotionally damaged and it leads him to rush into a porrly conceived relationship to cope with the pain
Yeah, you got cucked. Writing that story into a fantasy story isnt the problem. JAMMING it into a fantasy story for no fucking reason is the problem, as it just utterly wrecks any other themes or arcs going on around it.

Reminder, THIS is who cannot comprehend the issue with an author jaggedly inserting his fetish/insecurity into their story.

>I have impaired empathy from schizophrenia but I understand how emotional arcs work merely from the fact I know what 'good feelings' are compared to 'bad feelings' on a spectrum, or through a plot of "rags to riches" aka "cinderella" arcs.
>If anything, projecting your power fantasies into a fictional world is autistic because it's self-centred.

[Anonymous No.21878126]

>>21878108
Its funny because the people most likely to defend cuckoldry are people who have been cucked.

[Anonymous No.21878127]

>>21878067
Sounds interesting, would you recommend it? I looked into it a bit just now but would like to hear your opinion

[Anonymous No.21878135]

>>21878119
Last thread was an absolute shit show. Lots of cucks defending that princess character and trying to deny that the main character didn’t get cucked.

[Anonymous No.21878136]

>>21878126
It's funny because you think you aren't a cuckoid or a woman

[Anonymous No.21878143]

>>21878136
Ive never been cucked, and i have a penis.
Any other questions?

[Anonymous No.21878147]

>>21878049
Yeah that's what I'm thinking too. Will probably see some major character deaths in book 5. Hope Kaladin dies in some big sacrifice moment. Think I'll stop reading book 3 for now and pick it back up once we're close to the release of 5.

[Anonymous No.21878154]

>>21878119
>when you want to take an adversarial position but you agree with the post you're replying to
My point was that not every time a character is ignored for another man is the author inserting a cuckold fetish, where many people last thread were insisting it was.

[Anonymous No.21878155]

>>21878143
>I have a penis
We know you're a fag, why are you pretending you aren't

[Anonymous No.21878160]

>>21878135
literally noone was defending that princess character, we were just pointing out that a woman having sex with a man who isn't you isn't cuckoldry, otherwise you are a cuckold right now for allowing all the women in the world for having sex while you remain a virgin
I for one do not feel like a cuck just because Hillary Clinton had sex with Bill
it's only cuckoldry if you permit a woman you're in a relationship with to get away with fucking someone else, and Miramele doesn't qualify for that because she was just a stupid whore cunt who was totally out of Simon's league
however the Osten Ard books are still faggotshit, and Tad Williams is in fact a cuck

[Anonymous No.21878163]

>>21878154
Ackchually if you go back and look, nobody made that claim until one of the people defending cuckoldry used it as a strawman.

>>21878160
>literally noone was defending that princess character
>we were just pointing out that a woman having sex with a man who isn't you isn't cuckoldry
Retard alert

[Anonymous No.21878167]

>>21878160
She was his fucking love interest since the first book you retard. Of course he got cucked, that's why he has such a negative reaction to finding out how much of a whore she is. We can substitute 'cucked' with 'NTR'd' instead if that makes it easier for you to understand.

But you are right on one point, the Osten Ard books are shit

[Anonymous No.21878168]

I don't really care whether it is or isn't cuckoldry, but if a primary love interest in a story has sex with some random it really needs to play a role in the story and cause the protagonist to grow or at least change somehow else it's just shitty writing

[Anonymous No.21878171]

Great more cuck talk

[Anonymous No.21878172]

>>21878168
That's the thing as well. She tells him she's not a maiden anymore, he gets upset, and then it's never brought up again. Their entire romance story was very badly done

[Anonymous No.21878173]

>>21878171
Look at this fucking nerd who wanted to read fantasy books, must be a cuck

[Anonymous No.21878175]

>>21878171
sorry for cucking you out of the quality wuxia and webnovel discussion you'd be having instead

[Anonymous No.21878180]

>>21878168
she isn't the primary love interest til the 4th and final book (2 books after she had sex) which illustrates precisely why
>>21878172 is correct about their romance being terrible written, since it was horribly telegraphed and forcibly contrived at the very end

[Anonymous No.21878192]

>>21878160
I think I was talking with you in the last thread, we can agree to disagree on the cuck part. I agree with everything you said about the books, just very slow pacing and contrived ending with Simon actually being royalty and gets to be king and all that nonsense. What an absolute waste of my time reading this series. I’m going to start the Malazan series soon and hopefully it’ll be better

[Anonymous No.21878203]

>>21878192
>I’m going to start the Malazan series soon and hopefully it’ll be better
it's not really
but it's not a complete shaggy dog story either so it's got that going for it at least

[Anonymous No.21878208]

>>21878180
>primary love interest
Retard

[Anonymous No.21878211]

>>21876609
What are some fantasy settings with cool takes on elemental races?

[Anonymous No.21878213]

>>21878127
I would recommend it
Sadly, the last book doesn't wrap up enough to make a lot of people happy bit the journey is very good. I really liked the series, lots of really memorable characters/moments

[Anonymous No.21878216]

>>21878171
The dude is literally on medication; it writes itself.

[Anonymous No.21878219]

>>21878216
>The dude is literally on medication
Did i miss something?

[Anonymous No.21878225]

>>21878219
Read the last thread.

[Anonymous No.21878231]

>>21878213
Nice will check it out

[Anonymous No.21878249]

>>21878225
I started the argument fucker, dont presume to school me. Nobody ever mentioned meds. Are you talking about the schizo?

[Anonymous No.21878254]

>>21878219
the guy with the cuck fixation literally admitted he was schizophrenic and off his meds, and he actually posted a photo of his fucking prescription with a timestamp last thread

[Anonymous No.21878262]

>>21878211
The Wandering Inn

[Anonymous No.21878270]

>>21878254
Jej okay i found it. Happened after i went to sleep.

[Anonymous No.21878309]

>>21877871
the next several books follow along the timeline (without time travel gun runners) for a 2nd civil war, the great war, then world war. by the time the story gets to WW2, i feel like the story had lost track on what made it so good. (Abe Lincoln the Socialist was a good twist)
Turtledoves other series like Atlantis and the Alien invasion alt timelines are ok too.

[Anonymous No.21878310]

What's a good fantasy book with fun villains? I don't care if they have reasonable beliefs, I want the kind of villain who just loves revelling in evil. I'd also prefer that they have a strong presence in the narrative instead of just lurking around in the shadows.

[Anonymous No.21878336]

>>21878310
Elenium by David Eddings
possibly God's Demon by Wayne Barlowe
most REH Conan stories

[Anonymous No.21878342]

>>21878310
Harry Potter

[Anonymous No.21878348]

>>21878342
Harry Potter doesn't even have villains. Voldemort appears in like 10 pages total.

[Anonymous No.21878358]

>>21878348
But when he does appear he has fun with it.

[Anonymous No.21878392]

Books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.21878398]

>>21878392
asoiaf

[Anonymous No.21878408]

>>21878392
powder mage

[Anonymous No.21878409]

>>21878392
Red Knight

[Anonymous No.21878429]

>>21878408
I didn't feel that way while reading but I see where that feeling would come from.
>>21878392
Unironically The Wandering Inn

[Anonymous No.21878449]

>>21876774
So many reviews of this are
>Wizards and spaceships? UGH

[Anonymous No.21878461]

>>21878310
Carmilla and Jack of Shadows. Tamurello from Lyonesse is pretty great too. Dude just wants to eat pizza and fuck, and everyone has to step on his game.

[Anonymous No.21878468]

>>21878310
Mistborn

[Anonymous No.21878472]

>Read At The Mountains of Madness
>title dropped at least 6 times

Any other science fiction book where the author keeps title dropping, either nonchalantly or for dramatic effect? I like this kind of thing; it’s very endearing.

[Anonymous No.21878527]

>>21878472
Okay peter

[Anonymous No.21878729]

How do you guys keep track of all the terms thrown around in a fantasy setting

[Anonymous No.21878731]

>>21878729
um sweaty how is this a problem? unless...

[Anonymous No.21878748]

>>21877033
JUST MY OPINION

But it seems to me like Brandon writes his female characters not the way he wants but the way he thinks he's "supposed" to. He's probably heard his whole career about how women in fantasy have one dimensional characters, how they're only there to be faceless trophies for the male protagonist and so on. So now he's aiming to give his female characters more depth, make them more emotionally complex, show their inner battles.
The problem is that he's a total nerd who's also a mormon. He doesn't understand women and all his attempts to get into his female characters' heads look silly and over the top

[Anonymous No.21878752]

>>21878748
To be fair, that one specific example is a very woman moment.

[Anonymous No.21878754]

>>21878748

I just write all male characters and change some of them to women when I'm finishing up, because that's how women imagine themselves / want to be depicted

[Anonymous No.21878768]

>>21878754
No one asked though?

[Anonymous No.21878772]

>>21878754
How do you write the sex scenes?

[Anonymous No.21878775]

I want to read a series where weapons have names and different powers in them. Kinda like Elric but bigger scope, more substance and more characters. Even better if the weapons require something from the one wielding them. Does anyone have a recommendation?

[Anonymous No.21878781]

>>21878775
The Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson

[Anonymous No.21878791]

is he ever gonna explain how kelsier returned to the physical world
also i hope he dies for real in era 3 cause he's an annoying asshole, he served his purpose in the 1st era and he shoulda stayed dead
go to the afterlife and reunite your wife already, you jackass

[Anonymous No.21878830]

>>21878171
back to anime and manga purityfag

[Anonymous No.21878853]

>>21878729
Usually it's self explanatory because it's more or less the same concepts with different name tags, so it's much easier to remember similar to how mnemonic tricks work. On the odd ocasion someone does something truly unique it's either interesting enough to make it easy to remember because you are excited or it's simply not worth reading.

[Anonymous No.21878906]

Dangerous levels of comfiness right here, lads

[Anonymous No.21878912]

Regarding cuckoldry, I think this is the primary means of identifying proper "literature." Cucking is a basic foundation of reality. Women exist to cuck men, this is their primary purpose. So any book which hews closely to reality will feature cuckoldry. But when a book takes a step away from reality and abandons cuckoldry, it can then become a proper work of some "sub-literary" genre, such as fantasy. If a "fantasy" work features cucking, it isn't really a fantasy story. It's not properly about fantastical things. It's about simple reality, but is wearing a fantasy skinsuit to fool you into reading about getting cucked. That's the difference between a work about normal "literary" topics but with a fantasy coating, and a work that is actually about fantastical things. People who actually like fantasy thus have an adverse reaction to anything containing cuckoldry, because they know they're just reading boring trash about the real world.

[Anonymous No.21878915]

>>21878912
Stop with the cuck shit

[Anonymous No.21878921]

>>21878915
Stop polluting fantasy with it.

[Anonymous No.21878922]

>>21876613
Dune

[Anonymous No.21878927]

>>21878754
>because that's how women imagine themselves / want to be depicted
What precicely gave you the idea that women have any idea how to write a good female character.

[Anonymous No.21878929]

>>21878775
Soul eater

[Anonymous No.21878930]

>>21878921
(you)

[Anonymous No.21878931]

>>21878830
You must be confused. Anime and manga has way more cuck shit than sff.

[Anonymous No.21878936]

>>21878912
A truly good fantasy protagonist would, if cuckolded, track down the man who has perpetrated it against him and rape him to regain dominance.

[Anonymous No.21878937]

>>21878912
My question is where you got the idea that literature must be realistic.

[Anonymous No.21878938]

>>21878937
I don't think that . I tried to convey that with all the scare quotes I used.

[Anonymous No.21878942]

my novel will have cucking in the form of a male deuteragonist who has a crush on the female MC but she's in lesbians with her childhood friend and he has to journey with them to save the world
may or may not end with a ffm threesome

[Anonymous No.21878961]

>>21876890
How do you know that? Shaving the body hair and pubes was widely practiced throughout the Roman Empire by both men and women, I don’t think it would have comepletely disappeared

[Anonymous No.21878985]

[Anonymous No.21879014]

>>21878942
>may or may not end with a ffm threesome
The only way to make this based is if the childhood friend is a slut who cucks the female mc with the deuteragonist.
But then again, it wouldnt really be cucking. Just patching some dykes.

[Anonymous No.21879068]

>>21878912
Please take your meds. No one is being cucked by a girl that isn't in a real relationship with you. If you believe this, then you are a self-centered narcissist who believes he is entitled to the love of women. I beg you, stop being online and focus on improving your life. You and the restoration the incels on this board clearly need help to become healthy human beings.

[Anonymous No.21879074]

>>21878310
The Ursian Chronicles, which is mostly a varied amount of sword & sorcery stories that take place on the same world (continent, mainly) features the concept of the Dark King of the North, "a mighty dark king from the north will slay all of his own, then wage war on the rest of world, conquering everything before him". So there's this almost laughably evil dude up north who runs his own empire and flits around doing all sorts of shit. He's also an immortal sorcerer that disappears for x time when he's 'killed'.
His presence in pic related is more of a cameo but he features prominently in the Lerebus Shieldbreaker collection (five short stories, he's part of the last two or three) and the Kobalos trilogy which involves a direct confrontation with him.

[Anonymous No.21879076]

>>21879068
>Please take your meds.
Stopped reading there. Normalfag verbal diarrhea avoided.

[Anonymous No.21879081]

>>21879074
Holy shit.
>haven't looked through this dude's catalog in a while because he stopped writing in this series
>seems to have replaced most/all of his book covers with 90's CG images
huh, neat.

[Anonymous No.21879086]

>>21879068
>then you are a self-centered narcissist who believes he is entitled to the love of women.
Women aren't entitled to be free of mentally ill men who hate them.

[Anonymous No.21879100]

>>21879014
>if the childhood friend is a slut
both the mc and her friend are virgins who've never had any romantic or sexual relationships with anyone because they were together since they were kids

[Anonymous No.21879108]

>>21879086
This but unironically, it is the duty of the female to embrace and aid men.

[Anonymous No.21879112]

>>21879100
I meant slut attitudinally.

[Anonymous No.21879160]

>>21879112
actually she's shy and prudish and the guy teases her a lot but if he could he'd fuck the mc instead

[Anonymous No.21879184]

>>21879160
Lame

[Anonymous No.21879211]

>>21877535
I got interested by the cover of Rise of a Merchant Prince. Is that series worthwhile?

[Anonymous No.21879215]

Thoughts on Guy Kay?

[Anonymous No.21879259]

>>21879215
Hes and okay gay

[Anonymous No.21879376]

>>21876613
Reverend Insanity.

[Anonymous No.21879394]

>>21876694
The issue with cuckshit is that it IS a fetish, whether or not you have it. So readers have been exposed to authors who unironically get off to being cucks and insert it into their stories to masturbate to. It's equivalent to a book having excessive descriptions of characters taking shits, while it's entirely possible that you may have a real reason for that scene that is important to the story(say there's a cholera outbreak or something) you can't deny that a lot of times that kinds of thing comes up it's NOT solely to serve the narrative.
And likewise, even if it does serve the narrative and you even write it in such a way that it's clear you're not doing it with one hand, lots of people just don't want to read about all the main characters having diarrhea and shitting all over the place constantly.
If it's important to you and the story go ahead, put it in, just understand that there's going to be three groups of reactions to your story. People who don't care or are just engaged with the story, coomer fetishists who jack off the the MC getting cucked, and people who drop the book repelled and disgusted by the suggestion.

[Anonymous No.21879401]

>>21877837
Yeah, I sort of feel like Varic is more interesting whenever he's not the POV, but given he's the central focal character it's a little awkward. I wonder if being first person also kind of fucks that up a little. It's Wight's first book using first person narration, I believe, so I wonder if he's just struggling on that front.

[Anonymous No.21879402]

>>21876890
Romans and egyptians were all shaved bare, so were several other cultures but to a lesser extent.

[Anonymous No.21879405]

>>21879108
According to whom? You?

[Anonymous No.21879415]

>>21878392
Multiple pov stories are TRASH!
>begin pov
>have no idea what's going on
>gradually get introduced to characters and plot
>begin to gain interest
>interesting event occurs, nears climax
>cut to other pov
>wait 10 chapters going through shit you don't care about
>even if it could have been interesting it's overshadowed by wanting to know what's going on the the first pov, ruining it
>finally cut back
>the climactic moment is over and the story has moved forward several days, completely skipping over the resolution
Yeah go ahead authors, just CUT OUT all the good parts of your entire story and leave ONLY the filler! That's the best possible way to write! Bonus points for having so many povs you can't even fucking remember what's going on by the time you cycle back around, robbing every single major resolution or cliffhanger of it's essence.

[Anonymous No.21879421]

>>21879394
You're basically touching on what I was getting at, that it's had a bit of a cultural magnification effect, whereas in classic literature or fantasy nobody would identify it as fetishistic until about maybe twenty years ago, but now that it's become a meme fetish and everyone knows about it people are hyper-sensitive to it. It's like if in 20 years someone's going to get to that part in Sword of the Lictor where it describes Severian taking off his boots, and will drop the book in revulsion going "Ugh! Footfags!"
I've never read cuckshit in any fantasy that was obviously fetishistic, but most of what I see people bitching about here (with the exception of that infamous rothfuss passage, which really does read as fetishistic and would shatter my sympathy with the character most likely) has a bigger problem: that the romance/book is just written like shit.

[Anonymous No.21879426]

Nice to see one guy brought up one book last thread and the discussion about cuckoldry is somehow still going.

[Anonymous No.21879428]

>>21876694
You need to eat your 2000 calories, exercise for at least 30 minutes, drink plenty of fluids, go outside in the sun to get plenty of natural vitamin D, make your doctors appointments and show up, go to the pharmacy and pick up your meds, take them as directed until they kick in, and most importantly you need to get off 4chan so you stop shitting up this thread.

[Anonymous No.21879434]

>"Never bring Time Travel, the Cthulhu Mythos, or Giant Robots into an established setting, because if you do, all it will ever really BE about from then on is Time Travel, or the Cthulhu Mythos, or Giant Robots. Or Giant Robots traveling through time to fight the Cthulhu Mythos."

Does this have merit?

[Anonymous No.21879435]

>>21879421
>I've never read cuckshit in any fantasy that was obviously fetishistic
Im just going to assume you havent read kingkiller

[Anonymous No.21879436]

>>21879415
Not trash you just don't like the narratives epic fantasy has to offer. I would stick to first person perspective horror fiction.

[Anonymous No.21879438]

>>21879405
God.

[Anonymous No.21879441]

>>21879421
Well you can't do anything about sensitization, it is what it is. Unless you write ultra modern meme slang and instantly date your book to the current second the audience interpretation is never quite going to match up with the writer's intent.
Just gotta know your audience, a man who hates bread is never going to be happy when you bring out an artisanal loaf fresh from the oven and put it infront of him.

And actually it's not just recent, I can say I'm reasonably free of mind poison but A LOT of old fantasy books are blatant fetish fuel. Like there's no fucking way you can read the sword of truth and tell me with a straight face the writer doesn't have a bdsm fetish.

[Anonymous No.21879446]

Medieval fantasy books that contain a lot of poetry? I have the Hobbit and LoTR poem itch and reread them but now I want more. Any other saga I should look at?

[Anonymous No.21879466]

>>21879434
no

[Anonymous No.21879469]

I started writing my own wish fulfillment self insert fantasy texts and it's the most fun I've ever had with books in years. I'm opening up to new titles I'd never read before just to get references and most of the time I have fun with them and if I like a character I copy them to my novel.
I'm now reading books with female protags to get an idea how to make one of my heroines a cool girl but not too bossy.
Of course it's complete garbage but no one will ever read it so it's ok.

[Anonymous No.21879470]

>>21879469
I do the same thing by returning to fanfiction when writing gets too tedious, it's always fun for a week or two.

[Anonymous No.21879480]

>>21878310
Black Company

[Anonymous No.21879486]

>>21879466
?

[Anonymous No.21879558]

>>21879469
I do the same thing. It feels good

[Anonymous No.21879741]

>>21876694
Anon, I will not read your story if I am warned in advance and if I was tricked into reading it I would be upset. Yes, this shit happens and I have a million variations of it before and I am tired and repulsed by it.

[Anonymous No.21879789]

>>21879466
Pure cope. You will NEVER get your whills 'fractured timeline' bullshit. You're expecting even a measure of competent writing from a studio that's proven its focused on everything but.

[Anonymous No.21879818]

>>21878942
Proust?

[Anonymous No.21879825]

>>21876890
That's not true and high fantasy books don't take place in medieval Europe

[Anonymous No.21879837]

>>21879818
no my name is kevin

[Anonymous No.21879839]

>>21876890
Eh, people in fantasy don't need to be descended from apes and don't have to have body hair to begin with.

[Anonymous No.21879846]

>>21876890
I think about the smell of the female characters' feet after they've been journeying around for days on end wearing boots and not able to bathe.

[Anonymous No.21879908]

>>21876890
if you actually had sex instead of watching porn all day you wouldn't care about pubes.

[Anonymous No.21879931]

>>21879446
The Worm Oroborous

[Anonymous No.21879943]

>>21879415
>Yeah go ahead authors, just CUT OUT all the good parts of your entire story and leave ONLY the filler!
This is THE signature mark of a hack. It is proof that they don't read, and are mainly influenced by television. In television this kind of thing is acceptable because they don't have the budgets for giant battle scenes, but a writer has no excuse.

[Anonymous No.21879944]

>>21879469
Fuck off you stupid faggot, this isn’t a writing general. Your reviews are ass too

[Anonymous No.21879977]

>>21876890
This is patently untrue, at least in southern Europe. In the mediterranean, it was common (if you could afford it) to shave off your body hair with olive oil and a strigil during bathing. I don't know whether shaving body hair ever extended into northern Europe as a regular cultural phenomenon, but keep in mind that throughout the middle ages and the Renaissance, the nude in art was invariably displayed without bodyhair, whether male or female; clearly they had to have shaven models in order to know what a nude body without its hair looked like.

[Anonymous No.21879979]

>>21879469
I started doing this last year, I've got a rough first draft if you wanna see. I started on a much expanded second draft but it's a long ways off. Definitely fun writing your own stories though.

[Anonymous No.21880017]

>>21879415
Not sure if I've seen multiple pov done well. Maybe John Flanagan, but I haven't read anything written by him in well over a decade, so my memory of his work is unreliable at best and possibly tainted by nostalgia. Though I remember my opinion of his writing souring as I grew older and I think it was because I felt like his characters in Ranger's Apprentice had everything a little too easy.

>>21879434
>bringing cthulhu mythos into your setting
>not just making your own mythos that has similar motifs to the cthulhu mythos
Time travel is really hard to write well. Better to not bother with it. Giant robots can be cool though.

>>21870104
>>21870143
I've been waiting for an excuse to post this shitty edit I made ages ago.
inb4
>Jojo

[Anonymous No.21880091]

>>21876890
>whenever i read a fantasy novel i cant stop thinking about how hairy everyone is down there
>Thinking about women with unwashed hairy pussies and anuses, maybe even with hairy armpits
Kinda hot ngl

[Anonymous No.21880094]

>>21877570
Assassin's Apprentice

[Anonymous No.21880119]

>>21877104
I thought it was real lame when I listened to a Cook interview and he said he didn't like the "Darth Vader" cover of the original Black company.

[Anonymous No.21880166]

Why do people bitch about "plot armor" as if characters not dying was inherently a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.21880233]

>>21880166
The only time it bothers me is if it seems improbable that a character would survive. You can do that sometimes, because people do get lucky, but if you pull it too much it can eventually seem absurd. Otherwise I consider that the story is simply about characters who are going to survive for at least most of the way. Like I think that the story is written with the benefit of hindsight -- they're normally written in past tense anyway.

[Anonymous No.21880242]

>>21880166
at least 75% of the people who complain about plot armor are in fact just ADHD sociopaths who only consume fiction for the dopamine rush of watching/imagining people suffer
they aren't interested in a plot per se, they just want excuses for the snuff pornography that they otherwise usually receive from anime and video games, and the critique of "plot armor" is a great thought-terminating cliche to use as a club against creators who aren't catering to their sadistic bloodlust and ryona fetishism

[Anonymous No.21880270]

>>21880242
Oh and I don't believe that all complaints about plot armor are illegitimate, because there are certainly times when characters inexcusably escape death or injury beyond all the limits of suspension of disbelief, and I've encountered many such myself, but almost every time I've heard the term "plot armor" used on the internet, it's simply whining from post-ironic neckbeards that such-and-such popular character was not killed off, usually with some bland canned response about "providing a satisfying conclusion to so-and-so's narrative arc" because they literally cannot comprehend conclusions that don't involve killing everybody off.

[Anonymous No.21880273]

>>21880166
Plot armor tends to be countered with the simple rule that stories are about the exceptional, however the more and more exceptional survival seems (especially if there's no actual failures at all), the less and less weight the counter-argument holds. Plot armor's a thing, of course it is, even series people that people say don't have plot armor still have it, but because a few major characters die a bit unceremoniously they think it's fine.

[Anonymous No.21880287]

>>21880270
In what kind of warped mind is "character dies" the only "satisfying conclusion to character's narrative arc"?

[Anonymous No.21880301]

>>21880287
Same sort of mind that thinks something can only be mature if people kill and fuck.

[Anonymous No.21880310]

>>21880287
the smug, detached, gen-x mind that exists as a polyp on the colon of culture

it is the mind obsessed with a nebulous arbitrary sense of "maturity" that expresses itself as only an edgy hot topic teenager would: drugs, sex, and murder

[Anonymous No.21880314]

>>21876890
I deal with it by not obsessing over it like some mentally ill incel.

[Anonymous No.21880352]

>>21880166
>>21880233
>>21880242
>>21880273
Plot armor isn't about the plot, it's about the execution/appearance. Much like Mary Sue, the issue isn't that there's a charismatic girls everyone loves and cares about, it's that the reader doesn't agree or buy into it.
Plot armor complaints are sometimes about a specific character surviving a situation that beggars belief, but often it's a recurring pattern of somehow everyone surviving these sorts of situations routinely to the point where any sense of danger is gone and it's no longer impressive or surprising that a character enters a no win deadly situation and comes out perfectly unharmed. The often suggested solution is to just kill off a few minor characters to "up the stakes", but this could just as easily backfire or have no effect since now there's still little to no worry about the main characters and also all the side characters become disposable and uninteresting. The correct fix would be to just execute the writing better, make each scenario seem more dangerous by describing near misses, minor injuries etc... add additional steps or resources a character uses to survive, like getting shot in a bulletproof vest and surviving but with the vest ruined and unable to take another shot thus raising the stakes over not ever having it in the first place, etc, etc...
Lots of these issues are that most people can realize they don't like something or that there's something wrong, but don't know enough to provide a working solution.
The root of the problem is probably from the other side, writers not being willing/able to see their stories from the outside and projecting their goals/expectations on a scene that doesn't actually support them.

[Anonymous No.21880364]

>>21880352
Or, hell, let a character win but come out hurt. Either lasting injuries or some trauma or something else. Not every victory needs to come that way, but if you have a lot of "barely-scraped by" victories with no real lasting impact on the character, it's a little underwhelming.

[Anonymous No.21880370]

>>21880352
Say what you will about "The Band" series, Eames knows how to shit on his characters and keep them on the back foot.

[Anonymous No.21880415]

>>21880364
Sometimes injuries can get boring if they never really affect the characters, or on the contrary annoying and unpleasant if they do. That's why I like consumable resources. Start out your scenario with no extra consumables, then play it out and every time you get into a situation where by all rights someone should die or be seriously injured, figure out some consumable and retroactively add it in at the start. Be sure to have all/most of them run out by the end and sprinkle in a few lucky breaks and minor injuries for spice.
>sneak up on the first enemy using the element of surprise
>avoid stepping on a landmine because of a previously acquired map
>get surprised and hit with a shotgun in the chest but survive because of a vest
>too many enemies, friend needs to stay behind to hold the line leaving MC alone for the final leg of the mission
>get ambushed by a group and narrowly defeat them by collapsing the roof using a grenade, miraculously the MC survives but in the process debris lands on the him and he gets a concussion and a limp
>trips and falls during the next fight serendipitously dodging an unseen sniper shot
>but the sniper moves in under cover and the MC is too injured to escape in time, but the friend from before saves him just in time, having managed to escape the previous situation when the enemies were distracted by the MC collapsing that building
Plot armor a mile thick, but every situation seems at least reasonably plausible and increasingly dire as time goes on

[Anonymous No.21880485]

I knew all the worthless fuckups of the science fiction and feminist fantasy crowd from the Bay area convention crowd of the 60s onward (Zimmer Bradley, Delaney, Ellison, Asimov, Kramer etc) were all pedophiles and pedophilia defenders but fucking hell I didn't know the Eddings were monstrous fuckups in their own way and were jailed for 11 counts of child abuse of two four year old adoptees, a girl and a boy.
Apparently they had a cage for them and shit.
>According to the Black Hills Weekly, February 11, 1970, the couple's four year old adopted child was found in the pitch-black basement of their home, locked in a cage, wearing nothing but a tee-shirt. The child had been physically abused with a heavily swollen and disabled hand with scrapes, and heavy bruising about his body, as well as evidence of prior beatings. Investigators during the trial noted that there were restraints on the walls, no lighting, and the strong smell of cat urine in the basement.

[Anonymous No.21880506]

>>21880485
if only his books were half as interesting

[Anonymous No.21880514]

>reading pic related
>Mage guy(26yo) has a cute older magician gf (28yo)
>Suddenly cute gf is drugged and fucked by an evil 16yo with a big penis (not kidding, Rawn goes on her way to say it like three times)
>also the 16yo fucks his adopted grandmother who is 60
>she confess she fucked all of her grandsons but that him, the youngest one, is the best.
First book wasn't like this and didn't have cuckshit. Wtf rawn...

[Anonymous No.21880661]

>>21878392
Wheel of Time. Extremely so.
>>21879415
Yes. There's very few books where I tolerate reading multi-POV anymore.

[Anonymous No.21880673]

>>21878211
warhammer, for instance the chaos dwarfs feel very refreshing

[Anonymous No.21880682]

post your white whales
pic rel

[Anonymous No.21880691]

>feel like writing something
>realize thousands of people have written fantasy stories before me and I don't really have anything new to bring to the table
>realize nobody will want to publish some literally who's first attempt at a novel
>don't write anything

[Anonymous No.21880706]

>>21880682
Mine is pic rel. Not even archive.org has it , they have the sequel at least.

[Anonymous No.21880715]

>>21880682
I don't really have any. They're all easy to find online including the pic you posted.

[Anonymous No.21880723]

>>21879415
Name 5 examples of this.

[Anonymous No.21880729]

>>21880715
>They're all easy to find online including the pic you posted.
please post a link to where you've found the book in my pic online

[Anonymous No.21880738]

>>21880729
Just search John Pelan Zothique on libgen and it's there.

[Anonymous No.21880757]

>>21880738
You're retarded if you think that Libgen wasn't the first place I checked. The book was a limited edition release, and there were no official ebook versions of it made since it came out in 1999 and John Pelan is dead. I have no idea where that epub came from but some anon must have got his hands on the book and attempted to make an OCR'd version of it, because the epub is full of errors and random omissions. Half of the stories become unreadable past the midway point, as if the person making the damned epub didn't bother to check past the first couple of paragraphs to make sure his shitty OCR software didn't garble the words, which it did. Worldcat shows only two copies publicly available in the USA (and one in Canada), and one of those copies is in the Library of Congress.

[Anonymous No.21880782]

>>21880757
I checked the epubs and I don't see any indication of any cut-off at all. The closest to it being garbled was replacement of an of with an ?f at one point nor do I see any indication that anything is missing.

[Anonymous No.21880988]

>>21880364
Earthsea does this really well, and not just its main protagonist. It drove people nuts apparently, but it's extremely memorable and it gives characters so much more verisimilitude

[Anonymous No.21881047]

>>21880988
Earthsea is so mediocre in retrospect though.

[Anonymous No.21881198]

Any recommendations? everything is valid.
short, long doesn't metter as long as it is good

[Anonymous No.21881241]

>>21879741
Is this where we're at, we need trigger warnings on books on 4channeldotorg?

[Anonymous No.21881250]

>>21880691
>originality is a meme
>self-publishing is always an option
Regardless, you should only do it if you're going to enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.21881255]

>>21881198
You have to give people something to go on. List your five favorite genre books.

[Anonymous No.21881293]

>>21881198

[Anonymous No.21881301]

>>21881241
It's more like coom warnings, i pretend i hate cuckoldry but NTR is one of my favorites coom genres. If a book has cuckoldry it automatically goes to my tbr pile.
Memory, Sorrow and Thorn is great.

[Anonymous No.21881304]

>>21881198

[Anonymous No.21881310]

i fkcuign LOVE rape!!!

[Anonymous No.21881313]

>>21878049
I can't see Sando killing off Kaladin, I can 100% buy Dalinar goign out in a big sacrifice, maybe Adolin being a surprise RKO, feels like he's kinda lived his purpose.

[Anonymous No.21881315]

>>21881310
Did you just start it, or are you meming?

[Anonymous No.21881322]

what am I getting myself into?

[Anonymous No.21881331]

>>21881322
Kino

[Anonymous No.21881332]

>>21877330
Been a while since I read them, the books definitely get way edgier, ranging from pretty cool to dead major characters literally coming back with fucking dragon wings for reasons that aren't fully explained.

I'll probably read Nemesis sometime because I've heard Weeks really improved between NA and Lightbringer, but yeah if you didn't like the cringe stuff I'd drop it now

[Anonymous No.21881338]

>>21881313
I feel like he WANTED to kill Adolin off, but he realised Adolin is too liked (which is why he's gotten a bigger role of late) so he probably won't. Szeth is like... 80% gonna die, I think.

[Anonymous No.21881340]

>>21881338
>Szeth
he has a book now? what's going on

[Anonymous No.21881346]

>>21881313
Hope Adolin doesn’t die. I’d like it if Shallan died instead

[Anonymous No.21881353]

>>21881338
>>21881346
I mean don't get me wrong I love Adolin as a character but he doesn't really have any character direction, have the ghostbloods take him out or something to further Shallan's plotline, because god knows she's not going anywhere.

I wouldn't mind Szeth dying, but I feel like he has at least a book or two of safety left, since he doesn't really have many interactions with most of the main cast, and he likely won't have many with anyone but Kaladin next book.

>>21881340
Szeth is the POV/flashback character for Stormlight Book 5

[Anonymous No.21881358]

>>21881353
oh is that a sanderson thing? i thought you were talking about that african warlord
nvm

[Anonymous No.21881361]

>>21881353
Like... We know who the POV/flashback characters for all the books are (though the ones after book 5 are subject to change), so those ones are PROBABLY safe, but then again book 4 was in his original plan an Eshonai book and then it was actually a Venli/Eshonai flashback book which wasn't even really all that much about either of them. I can see Kaladin dying in the final book, possibly, but not before then. Lift is living to the end, though. We'll see when we see though.

[Anonymous No.21881362]

any fantasy books about hunting down deranged psychotic witches?

[Anonymous No.21881423]

>>21881198
Chronicles of ancient darkness. Low fantasy coming of age series about a hunter boy and his wolf companion set in fantasy neolithic.

[Anonymous No.21881424]

>>21881362
It's YA, but the first book of the Spook's Apprentice is creepy af

[Anonymous No.21881525]

>>21881322
Sword and Sorcery at its finest, Kane is one of the best amoral heroes in fantasy.

[Anonymous No.21881534]

Books similar to pic related?

[Anonymous No.21881560]

>>21876613
J K Rowling

[Anonymous No.21881569]

>>21881322
Dunno but let me know as this has been on my list for a while

[Anonymous No.21881703]

>>21879415
>Multiple pov stories are TRASH!
I agree. There are some book series I would kinda like to re-read but then I remember that they feature a lot of POV switches to characters I barely care about and just abandon all hope, like Codex Alera, I don't care about uncle's romance getting more moments than Kitai and the disfigured sword guy stealing MC's dad's waifu is just disgusting.

[Alex Beyman No.21881717]

>>21881534

Not finished but here: https://write.as/ibl6cla2oa4zh.md

[Anonymous No.21881729]

>tfw absolutely can't stand flashback, dream sequences, or anything that doesn't progress the story in the present.
>tfw will skim through them even if they contain critical information.
What is this autism called? Help.

[Anonymous No.21881733]

Tigana is kino, but I'd say it's about 190 pages too long.

[Anonymous No.21881761]

>>21881332
I can't read the word lightbringer without thinking of Linkara.

[Anonymous No.21881769]

>>21881729
Aspergers

[Anonymous No.21881781]

>>21881729
Normality.

[Anonymous No.21881823]

>>21881729
common sense

[Anonymous No.21881824]

>>21881729
It's called you hate your past and refuse to think about it and are only concerned about the present of what's real and in front of you. You skim because to engage with it would give you great anxiety.

[Anonymous No.21881848]

>>21881241
>Is this where we're at, we need trigger warnings on books on 4channeldotorg?
Yes, please give me trigger warnings for cuckshit. Unironically.

[Anonymous No.21881862]

>>21881729
this is the opposite of autism. Actual autists love knowing the background for why something is happening because they don't need to figure it out via context clues

if you want a meme diagnosis i'd say it's ADHD

with you on the dream sequences, though. it's by far the worst way to deliver character motivation or thoughts

[Anonymous No.21881985]

>>21876613
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant: The Unbeliever.
He's a real human bean.

[Anonymous No.21882044]

>>21881985
When did you read it? How far in did you get before it reached that spot?

[Anonymous No.21882071]

Well I finished two Stormlight Books and am on the third right now. I have to say I really like Kaladin and Syl, I like the dynamic there. The entire series feels a lot like anime to me with their power ups and everything, which I don't mind.

Is Mistborn the same in terms of the fights and power ups?

[Anonymous No.21882090]

>>21882071
Mistborn feels a bit darker, fights still get pretty anime but characters don't feel as untouchable as in Stormlight.

That said, when characters power up, it's significantly more pronounced/cooler than Stormlight IMO.

[Anonymous No.21882102]

>>21882090
>That said, when characters power up, it's significantly more pronounced/cooler than Stormlight IMO.
idk, nothing in Misborn 1-7 topped Kaladin jumping off the bridge and then swearing the 2nd oath for me.

[Anonymous No.21882248]

>>21877570
Unwind.

[Anonymous No.21882295]

>>21881761
THERE IS NO SET SCHEDULE

[Anonymous No.21882535]

>>21882044
>When did you read it?
dunno, 4-5 years ago. i thought it was amazing since book one but what really did it for me was the last page of the trilogy
>"He was thinking dimly, A miracle. That’s what it was."
>"He was a sick man, a victim of Hansen’s disease. But he was not a leper-not just a leper. He had the law of his illness carved in large, undeniable letters on the nerves of his body; but he was more than that. In the end, he had not failed the Land. And he had a heart which could still pump blood, bones which could still bear his weight; he had himself".
>"Thomas Covenant: Unbeliever."
>"A miracle".
>"Despite the stiff pain in his lip, he smiled at the empty room. He felt the smile on his face, and was sure of it".
>"He smiled because he was alive".
Absolute kino. doomers eternally btfo

[Anonymous No.21882584]

>>21876609
Some original SF+F content then!

This originated from a /qst/ thread...

https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=left%20beyond

... became a r/DnDGreentext post ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/DnDGreentext/comments/jzpf0e/canceling_the_apocalypse_in_the_1990s/

... and finally turned into a series of stories, which are available here.

https://www.emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.TalesFromTheBeyond.html

Took 8 years to do :)

[Anonymous No.21882587]

>>21882535
>And he had a heart which could still pump blood, bones which could still bear his weight; he had himself".
>>"Thomas Covenant: Unbeliever."
>>"A miracle".
>>"Despite the stiff pain in his lip, he smiled at the empty room. He felt the smile on his face, and was sure of it".
>>"He smiled because he was alive".
Awwwww yes, thats that goos shit.

[Anonymous No.21882596]

>>21879415
I strongly prefer single POV stories as well. Malazan was especially bad about this

[Anonymous No.21882955]

>>21881729
Just read the final page and be done with the book, since that's seemingly all that matters to you anyway.

[Anonymous No.21882968]

>>21882955
Not that guy but I read the last chapter of a manga before I know if I want to read the rest or not.

[Anonymous No.21882984]

>>21882584
>A book for 990
Only 968 years to go.

[Anonymous No.21883018]

>>21881729
based, I do this too. I also skip entire chapters in multi-pov books if I dislike the pov character. Pretty sure I didn't read a single Daenerys chapter since starting Clash of Kings

[Anonymous No.21883075]

>>21882984
why what happens in 1958? anyway, +900 to the end is all covered :)

[Anonymous No.21883090]

Why do people have sci-fantasy so much?

[Anonymous No.21883097]

I'm re-reading Artemis Fowl for nostalgia's sake and I didn't remember the writing being this simple and low level
I guess when you're a kid you don't notice when you're reading a book written for kids

[Anonymous No.21883144]

>>21882968
Mizukami is your nigga

[Anonymous No.21883190]

>>21883144
>keep saying they should make a biscuit hammer anime
>they finally make it
>it sucks

[Anonymous No.21883281]

>>21883090
Who hates Science Fantasy? Maybe Hard Sci Fi retards, but that's it. I want more space knights fighting cyberdragons, not less.

[Anonymous No.21883328]

>>21881733
I've been thinking about reading Tigana, but am intimidated by its length. Sell me on it anon

[Anonymous No.21883337]

>>21881332
That actually sounds pretty cool. I might read it after all.

[Anonymous No.21883345]

What's the meaning of the last line in The Final Question (Isaac Asimov)?

How does "let there be light" solve the question of reversing entropy?

[Anonymous No.21883348]

>>21883281
https://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/PhotonKnights.PhotonKnights.html Have fun

>>21883345
AC has figured out how to be God, which is enough to reverse entropy.

[Anonymous No.21883362]

Ignore the cringe bottom text but people with this pheno should be federally prohibited from writing fantasy books. If you're fat and ugly, nobody wants to read what you have to say (unless your Dostoevsky or Tolstoy, but neither of them were fat).

[Anonymous No.21883370]

>>21883362
> If you're fat and ugly, nobody wants to read what you have to say (unless your Dostoevsky or Tolstoy, but neither of them were fat).

huh?

[Anonymous No.21883376]

>>21883362
Are you a 14 year old girl?

[Anonymous No.21883378]

>>21883348
>AC has figured out how to be God, which is enough to reverse entropy.
.....
How is this book praised so much?

[Anonymous No.21883386]

>>21883378
Because it was clever, I guess? If you want something less theistic, read "The Salvation War" or "Left Beyond Quest" :) it's all good.

[Anonymous No.21883396]

>>21883386
How is that clever?

>How should we reverse entropy, Mr Supercomputer?
>After spending literally trillions of years thinking about this topic, I learned that the answer is.....to somehow spontaneously become God!

That's the stupidest damn thing I've ever read. It makes Twilight look like a work of art.

[Anonymous No.21883402]

>>21883378
Because like whoa, it's Asimov dude. That's literally it.

[Anonymous No.21883420]

>>21883396
If you'd prefer something like:

"How do we stop the Last Battle between God and Satan at the end of the age, Mr. Supercomputer?" you'll be happy to know that /qst/ has you covered.

https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=left%20beyond

Novelization here: https://www.emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.TalesFromTheBeyond.html

[Anonymous No.21883464]

>>21883190
I didnt even know they adapted it, but i just looked it up and it looks fine. Whats wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.21883650]

>>21883328
It's a "realistic" take on the fantasy quest, where the dark lord characters have their own motivations and storylines, the heroes are fleshed out and feel human, and it successfully hits all the emotional character and story beats it goes for. All of the characters are great. By part 5 I was on board with both the heroes and the villains, and the ending is bittersweet kino. Even if it is too long like what I said in my last post, I still think it's definitely worth it.
It also suffers a little from bows and arrows = guns syndrome, but that's so prevalent in fantasy you wouldn't notice unless it's something that irritates you.

[Anonymous No.21883697]

>>21883650
>It also suffers a little from bows and arrows = guns syndrome, but that's so prevalent in fantasy you wouldn't notice unless it's something that irritates you.
Once you learn characters are supposed to say 'loose' instead of 'fire' to archers, you are going to notice it forever.

[Anonymous No.21883744]

>>21883697
OCPD is a hell of an illness.

[Anonymous No.21883797]

>>21880706
Somehow Mark Rogers evades being digitized after all these years. a worthy quest indeed to find Zorachus!

[Anonymous No.21883902]

>>21883090
Doesn't follow the writing style of scifi so scifi nerds don't like it, replaces magic with technology so fantasy nerds don't like it. By contrast magitech is way more mainstream and commercially is probably more popular than scifi and fantasy put together.
In other words:
>Magic made of technology == unpopular
>Technology made of magic == very popular
An important distinction.

[Anonymous No.21883907]

>>21883345
It created a new universe.

[Anonymous No.21883910]

>>21883345
>>21883378
>>21883396
How old are you? Honest question. It'd be extremely shameful for a person above the age of 30 not to be acquainted with Aristotelian metaphysics or Summa Theologica.

[Anonymous No.21883914]

>>21883362
Doesn't all of them being extremely popular and rich actually imply that ONLY fat ugly guys can be successful writing fantasy?

[Anonymous No.21883958]

>>21883914
You might be on to something. There are a bunch of thin handsome men writing fantasy these days, but they never pop off quite like the goblins do.

[Anonymous No.21883963]

>>21883910
>Aristotelian metaphysics or Summa Theologica.
Do those answer the question of how to reverse entropy?

[Anonymous No.21884035]

A world where facts are shaped by feelings and a person's worth is measured by the severity of their mental illness.

when the libtord :D

[Anonymous No.21884051]

New fantastically fictitious bread...Made with science!
>>21884047

[Anonymous No.21884087]

>>21883963
Yes, the solution is becoming a being of pure actuality existing outside of time and space.
Learn the ontological argument of actuality vs potentiality.

[Anonymous No.21884100]

opinions on this one?

[Anonymous No.21884155]

>>21883914
Peake and Gaiman were absolute cunt destroyers in their time.

Women who were fat in their 20s and 30s can't be successful writers though.