/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21861862]

The more I read, the more I realize that going to school was a mistake. I hate myself for having wasted 13 life years for this. Home education, self learning and learning a trade absolutely mog the 'traditional' school system of sitting in a class.

[Anonymous No.21861871]

There is nothing traditional about modern education. Kids don't even learn Latin anymore.

[Anonymous No.21861872]

>>21861862
Instead of going to school I read books and explored abandoned buildings. It was a comfy life.
Still managed to eventually study at a university later though.

[Anonymous No.21861874]

I never went to school and I wish I had. I work a dead-end job for a boss who has room temperature IQ.

[Anonymous No.21861879]

it took you 13 years to get your phd? yeah, that probably wasn't a great idea. a lot of schools now have programs where you can take grad classes senior year and use them towards your masters. bang out a masters in one year and move on. staying for more than a decade? idk dude. even if you get a job doing research for google, you already lost 10 years of earning which at an average 200k salary is fucking 2 million dollars down the drain, just do you could put "phd" after your name? vanity.

[Anonymous No.21861899]

>>21861879
> it took you 13 years to get your phd?
Kek, it took me 13 years to be finally told by the teachers I suck ass and I don't even deserve a diploma for everything I had done until. Piece of shit teachers. I will not go back to a school. Never

[Anonymous No.21861900]

>>21861871
Doesn't make much sense. It used to be done in Europe because latin was a universal language that any sufficiently popular book would be translated into due to the many European languages. Now english is that language, basically.

[Anonymous No.21861904]

>>21861899
I do not mean never, just not in the future

[Anonymous No.21861943]

>>21861874
Shut up shut up!!!!

[Anonymous No.21861948]

>>21861904
>But maybe in the past

[Anonymous No.21861966]

>>21861943
I love the Fact that He capitalizes random letters mid-sentence for No reason.

[Anonymous No.21861971]

>>21861948
Yeah. I demand partnership in the club of the people who never went to school or like, two weeks when they were 17.

[Anonymous No.21862036]

>>21861966
I was referring to the existential dread that this causes, I'm a 34 IT college dropout so far so good, but I'm getting older and anywhere I look around I see this worrying trend people with bachelors, masters and even PhDs who are complete troglodytes but have a future assured and make ridiculous figures but have the degree, while me in the other while I grow more knowledgeable I also grow old and job opportunities get slimmer by the second.

[Anonymous No.21862043]

You’re right, but this society values degrees a lot and for that reason a lot of things will be off limits to you if you don’t have one.

I work for a university and I actually regret that a lot more than I regret going to one.

[Anonymous No.21862045]

>>21861862
>I tell you, I woulda been somebody if I didn’t go to school and educated myself

Naw. You would have been more of a slack jawed yokel than you already are

[Anonymous No.21862060]

>>21862043
> You’re right, but this society values degrees a lot and for that reason a lot of things will be off limits to you if you don’t have one.
Reasons why this should be a concern?

[Anonymous No.21862068]

>>21862045
What makes you say such a stupid, arrogant thing?

[Anonymous No.21862072]

>>21862043
working at a college sucks so bad except for the fact many days one literally does not work. i just read, browse the web, chitchat. it's like i'm at home except i'm in an office.

[Anonymous No.21862083]

>>21862060
Financially.

That is all.

[Anonymous No.21862101]

Schooling is necessary for the 85% of people who respond to nothing but institutionalized pressure, but education should be re-organized in a way where there's a self-directed/non-traditional path available for everyone who wants it, and a series of exams to assess your level in lieu of diplomas. It would also encourage people over the typical college age to work on their education at later stages in life, which is something a lot of people would like to do but consider a waste of time because they can't commit to a full course or degree.

[Anonymous No.21862102]

>>21862083
You will never be the ceo of a multibillion company.

[Anonymous No.21862103]

>>21861862
If you didn’t have the motivation in the education system, you certainly wouldn’t have had it left to your own devises. The pitfalls of autodidactism are greater and more numerous than the education system. I’m also gonna take a shot in the dark and say you are poor socially, as many here are. It would be even worse if you weren’t around your peers a lot

[Anonymous No.21862128]

>>21862103
Teachers are arrogant assholes who respond to questions half-wittedly and expect everyone to know exactly what he is supposed to do. The people who don't know what they are supposed to do get fucked by the school system. It has nothing to do with how disciplined a person is or how many friends he has. Most people I met was out of school.

[Anonymous No.21862130]

>>21861874
Your IQ isn't that high either since you dont know how to rotate an image.

[Anonymous No.21862168]

>>21861862
Aren't most jobs that require college degrees gonna be replaced by A.I or automation anyways? How come so many office fags are getting laid off recently? I wanna pursue a career but I don't want it to be replaced by a faggot bot, but trades are really shitty also.

[Anonymous No.21862171]

>>21862130
I did rotate the image. It flipped anyway.

[Anonymous No.21862177]

>>21862103
Every single skill with tangible proficiency levels like language learning or programming, that can be learned independently or at schools, proves otherwise. Literally *no one* you meet who is accomplished at them credits their formal education for it, and the majority tends to not even have any. The common story is usually of people taking classes for years and not being able to do the basics until they take charge of their education, not to mention forgetting all the declarative, arbitrary rules they learned as soon as they graduate. Obviously not everything in education is a "skill", but everything will have a degree of applicability and a tacit dimension that no one learns by any means other than their own.

[Anonymous No.21862197]

>itt pseuds who never went to school or did poorly cope

The rise of anti-academic sentiment on /lit/ is directly proportional to the decline in quality

[Anonymous No.21862232]

Physics and engineering type educations are the only formal educations that matter.

Listen. I am one of those high iq people who didnt go to uni. I speak 3 languages, taught myself c/c++/c# and a bunch of math beyond Hilbert spaces. I simply learned welding and also became a certified electrician, and I already made more money than humanities professors in my city. From here on I started investing. Extremely basic stuff such as s&p500 alone will let me retire before 30 on a poverty lifestyle. I was born poor, my hobbies are reading and working out, stuff that's already free so I dont care.

Who controls this world? Who runs global economy? Fortune 500 CEO, what background do they all have? Entire Chinese government, what background do they have? Foreign policy, how do these treaties get signed? (short answer: missile technology, look up start3 etc).
Engineers. That's who. They have the coolest jobs. Nuclear submarines, ai, materials science, hypersonics, all the generic 'cool stuff' topics, its all (hard) science and engineering.
Everything else is cope for retards who do not matter.

[Anonymous No.21862243]

>>21862197
The people in academia who post here are usually the ones with the highest anti-academic sentiment

[Anonymous No.21862257]

>>21862243
A career in academia is much different, and seems to be a self contained industry that sustains itself. I can see how that can be frustrating and soul crushing to work in. However, students benefit more from going to school than not going. An English major can give better analysis most of the time

[Anonymous No.21862262]

>>21862103
Bro PLEASE you have to be socially well-integrated bro or you’re just a chud or an incel bro BRO bro I SWEAR

If the majority of society deems there’s something wrong with you THEN THERES SOMETHING WITH YOU BRO. I bet you’re another one of those alt-right nazis bro, a supporter of that sick messed up society where the majority of citizens were brainwashed and encouraged into turning into the agreed-upon scapegoats, dissenters and outsiders but which (nazi) society we today unanimously agree upon was bad and unlike YOU, I MYSELF would have beeen one of the DISSENTERS in that nazi society because I ALWAYS HAVE THE COSMICALLY RIGHT opinions

Bro I swear you’re like a fucking stupid NERD bro you’re a fucking incel misanthrope you fucking little bitch if you dont fit into society or succeed by its arbitrary metrics set by the political and financial elite youre a failure bro YOURE the fucking npc bro not me

Bro I swear stop being such a fucking incel or im going to stick a hot needle down the tip of your penis. just fit into society bro JUST FUCKING FIT IN are you like a fucking school shooter threat or something bro jfc. Hey everyone

EVERYONE LOOK AT THE FUCKING INCEL BIGOT CHUD. AGAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

LOOK AT HIM

HES PROBABLY THE GUY WHOS GONNA DO ANOTHER COLUMBINE SOON

AHAHHHHGAHAHAGAHAH

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHBHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.21862275]

>>21862197
Modern "Academics" are mostly just sheltered liberals with no real-world experience.

[Anonymous No.21862285]

>>21862257
>academia
This is a total buzzword that doesnt mean anything. Its just pyramid scheme vanity degree mills for farming student debt cattle.
You actually have to have less than average IQ to brand yourself with one of these degrees.

Outside of medicine and engineering, academia is a bubble. Not only financially, they cant even advance their own fields. You have complete outsiders without formal education doing better work, publishing better novels and works of art etc than these academics.

Vanity degrees (90% of them) are simple low iq signalling. Its a new retard brand.

[Anonymous No.21862295]

>>21862285
I do agree with some of what you wrote, but to think an uneducated person is smarter than someone who went to college on average is ludicrously retarded

[Anonymous No.21862296]

>>21862103
>>21862262
I WOULDVE BEEN ONE OF THE GOOD GERMANS BRO I SWEAR I WOULDVE FOUGHT AND SPOKEN OUT AGAINST THE NAZIS AT THE RISK OF MY OWN LIFE CAREER AND REPUTATIONS. I WOULDVE STOOD UP FOR THE GYPSIES JEWS HOMOSEXUALS FREEMASONS JEHOVAHS WITNESSES AND DISABLED BRO UNLIKE YOU

Why YES i **DO HATE*** trumpsupporting bigot chud incel neonazi anti-vaxxers why do you ask

And no I did NOTspeak out during the iraq and Afghanistan wars and what … dead Palestinians?

We have to protect the countries against terrorists bro WHY ARE YOU FOCUSING ON ISRAEL SO MUCH YOU CANT CRITICIZE ISRAEL THAT MUch

DEAD PALESTINIANS????

WHAT ARE YOU AN ANTISEMITE HRO)?!!!???!! B

I MEAN I UNDERSTAND LEFTIST CRITICISMS OF BIG PHARMA BUT CRITCIZING THE LIFESAVING COVID CACCINES VRO???? BRO??? What’s WRONG with you bro BIG PHARMA WANTS THE BEST FOR US OUR LESFERS WANT THE BEDT FOR US

WHAT WAR CRIMES

TAKE YOUR FUCKING MEDS BRO

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE MAJORITY OF SCHOOL SHOOTERS HAVE VEEN IN SSRIS AND PROZACIS TIED TO CAUSING HOMICIDAL AND SUICIDAL MANIC DEPRESSIVE EPISODES THEY WOULDNT APPROVE IT IF IT WASNT SAFE

[Anonymous No.21862302]

>be 'academic'
>cant repay student debts even tho you are retiring
>didnt contribute anything meaningful to your field
i present to you an average academic

>be a fucking mechanic/electrician
>mog every humanities professor financially
>can easily go self employed, dodge taxes, leverage your legit marketable, employable skills, half of millionaires are small business owners anyway
>basically contribute as much to an academic field as your average modern academic
not having a degree is the new high iq move
exceptions apply to like 5% of degrees

[Anonymous No.21862303]

[Anonymous No.21862310]

>>21862103
WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOJT HUMAN RIGHTE ABUSES SO LONG AS THEYRE OUT OF MY EYESIGHT AND THE MEDIA DIDNT TELL ME TO CARE AVOUT THEM BRO. JUST FUCKING FIT IN

JUST GET THE FUCKING VACCINE AND GET YOUR DEGREE AND FIT IN BROP

[Anonymous No.21862315]

>>21861862
The only thing the traditional school system has over trade school is variety, and that is over shadowed by the fact that that variety is curated by people with shit taste and very little interest in actually teaching and more investment in indoctrination.

[Anonymous No.21862322]

>>21862310
Wtf is wrong with you? Take your meds and take a break from 4chan

[Anonymous No.21862326]

>>21862103
JUST CUT YOUR PENIS OFF OR PLASTER AN ARTIFICIALLY MADE ONE ONTO YOUR VAGINA BRO IF THE SCIENTISTS SAID THE FUCKING SCIENCE AAID IT?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP FUCKING DISAGREEING WITH THE BAAASEDYYYENCE

[Anonymous No.21862329]

>>21862326
See >>21862322

[Anonymous No.21862330]

>>21862322
Oh my god bros he… he’s a DISSENTER

HES LIKE SOME PSYCHOPATH OR SOMETHING BRO

HES SOCIALLY MALADJUSTED

GET IM!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.21862419]

>>21861862
simpleton attack, but it is true. modern education especially in the u.s. has made students feel this commonly. education/professorship/mentorship is not about raw data being regurgitated by something else entirely. only some teachers will ever do this

[Anonymous No.21862442]

>>21861862
Attending school teaches you to be social and interact with others

[Anonymous No.21862483]

>>21862197
One of the most interesting threads I read on this board was between anons who worked at universities. That modern universities have many severe flaws should be clear to anyone who's ever attended much less worked in one, though it's true that just writing off university entirely is cope

[Anonymous No.21862496]

>>21861874
That grammar and spelling hurts to read, but I suppose we are all at different levels.

[Anonymous No.21862512]

>>21862442
>>21862103
>bro what about the SOCIAL aspect
the education system fails so hard at its main purpose that people just start mentioning random shit to defend it. you don't need a decade to learn how to socialize with a few dozen people, and a counter-argument can be made that many social pathologies can be traced to the group dynamics that school creates and which doesn't reflect real life

[Anonymous No.21862524]

>>21862483
Of course something as complex as an educational system will have issues. My problem is with anons who are anti-academia, just writing it off all together. It comes off as a major cope, as you said, or they have obvious ulterior motives

[Anonymous No.21862531]

>>21862262
Fucking KEK!!!
WTH projecting much?
No the anon you are addressing btw
This is why I love 4Chud

[Anonymous No.21862545]

higher ed is wack, but anyone who chills on /lit/ should do a bachelors. i know i know, you're a rich plumber who doesn't need no degree. yeah, awesome, then you can get degree in something fun like ancient greek or poetry or whatever. assuming you aren't a millionaire plumber, you can get all kinds of federal financial aid and in a lot of blue states community college is free, so go bang out an associates and then transfer to a state university and finish off the bachelors for cheap. now you've been through the higher ed hazing and you can say it sucks from experience. also, data show your lifetime earnings will be higher by an average of a million dollars. oh, and maybe you learned some shit too.

[Anonymous No.21862565]

>>21862545
I agree to an extent however I think you should only major in math or engineering in some kind of future proof major and completely deprogram yourself of the illusion that what you MAJOR in or what it says on your piece of paper means what your interests are or what you're allowed to study

You can get a piece of paper that says you're an engineer and still have spent your whole college years mostly taking literature classes, hell just audit or show up to classes and don't do any of the assignments

Also no matter what you do in college, if you don't learn at least 2 languages while there you are a fucking retard. That is an instant boost to your future income, brain health, life quality, everything.

[Anonymous No.21862572]

>>21862171
>It flipped anyway
Because you did not do it right.

[Anonymous No.21862588]

>>21862329
It really chaps your hide to have someone disagree with you, doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.21862598]

>>21862442
Not only is this not true, but it is a completely worn out horseshit argument. It is so false that it is an affront.

[Anonymous No.21862601]

>>21862101
the actuary exams are basically like that.

[Anonymous No.21862615]

>>21862598
i think college teaches you to interact with others if you live on campus and have to learn to live with the random roommates they assigned to you. if you just commute to campus, sit in back of your stem class head down taking notes, then immediately go home, you are not definitely not going to get any social skills or experience out of it.

[Anonymous No.21862659]

>>21862103
>thinly veiled insult
>unsupported assertion
>projection, with another insult and assumption baked in
Thank you for your input.

[Anonymous No.21862864]

>>21862103
you know what's good about autodidactism? no joggers!

[Anonymous No.21864265]

>>21861862
good luck in med school

[Anonymous No.21864286]

>>21862102
TFWIWNBAC

[Anonymous No.21864584]

When everyone is required to have a degree to enter into decent jobs in the workforce, universities treat people not as students, but as customers, and the quality of education declines considerably. If you go to college, study stem, and teach yourself lit on the side or afterwards. We live in the Information Age. Information is everywhere and free a lot of the time. Almost all scholars at Ivy League levels publish their work, too, so you don’t have to sit through boring lectures at the local state school from a guy who probably barely paid attention in community college in the first place.

[Anonymous No.21864609]

>>21861900
English is utter shit compared to Latin.

>>21861871
> There is nothing traditional about modern education.
This.

>>21861862
It is a waste of time, but unless your parents are somewhat well-off you have no alternative; your alternative is to be an illiterate redneck.

[Anonymous No.21864672]

Academics are a class of gangs and thieves that survive on state funds and rhetoric. Vast majority of these demagogues would otherwise be unemployed or stacking shelves to survive because there is nothing that they can do that's worth more than minimum wage.

[Anonymous No.21864689]

>>21864609
I must disagree harshly, a minutious analysis of the societal context shows school is pushed by people who are absolutely willingless to put effort into the education of their children. That the teaching of an arbitrarily chosen alphabet, the Latin, I must not explain. I could easily raise intelligent children without the aid of any school and this was commonplace until the early 19th Century. Summarizing, school is for parents who do not want to raise their children themselves under their own principles, because they have none or because they consider that their own principles coincide with those of the sovereign, and a tool to better extract force from the population by the sovereign himself.

[Anonymous No.21864697]

>>21864265
80% of it is just grinding anki anyway

[Anonymous No.21864745]

>>21862442
It didn’t work for me.

[Anonymous No.21864793]

>live in 2nd world cunt
>went to fairly average grammar school (i.e. where you go if you're not a retard who goes into a trade immediately)
>was taught three foreign languages (English, German, Latin)
>assigned reading included Homer, Dante, Cervantes, Shakespeare, Baudelaire, Dostoyevsky...
>taught basics of music and art theory and history
>basics of formal logic and history of philosophy
>also four years of classes on ethics
>decently taught natural sciences (though I was a lazy bum and never studied, barely got by)
...
>go on /lit/
>realise in horror that what I considered to be average, calcified and frequently dull education is a dream to many people in the more developed parts of the world

[Anonymous No.21864818]

>>21864793
America is third world
I wish I had that education

[Anonymous No.21864822]

>>21864793
The first first world nation that reimposes this kind of education by law and actually administers it meritocratically and effectively will be a superpower again

[Anonymous No.21864837]

>>21864822
Then why is my country crumbling, despite most influential people and leaders being educated that way?

>>21864818
Tbh most people hated it. You wouldn't be overjoyed if you had to drill Latin declensions at 15 either.

[Anonymous No.21865035]

>>21864672
Academia and the military are basically jobs programs for people who can't function in real life, but we have to put them somewhere I guess.

[Anonymous No.21865055]

>>21862197
Adding this to the list of the things that caused the decline of /lit/, next to the 'Hong Kong protests'.

[Anonymous No.21865064]

>>21864793
>>21864837
What cunt? Sounds like eastern europe, in which case the inherently tragic quality of the Slav make the country crumbling inevitable

[Anonymous No.21865082]

>>21861862
School is where wagies park their children so that they can be trained to be wagies

[Anonymous No.21865228]

>>21861862
Except you pretty much have to go to school if you want to find work in adult life. Also having a mentor is extremely valuable, reading books on your own isn’t enough.

[Anonymous No.21865288]

>>21862572
we get it, you have autism. go do something productive like killing yourself.

[Anonymous No.21866237]

>>21862442
School made me despise my peers so much that I buried myself in literature and refused to interact with them

I was perfectly fine with just talking to adults

[Anonymous No.21866288]

>>21861874
Literally me

[Anonymous No.21866296]

>>21861874
Thanks, Dale.

[Anonymous No.21866300]

>>21861862
I’m pretty sure every single one of my friends would be illiterate if it was for school

[Anonymous No.21866809]

>>21862103
>you certainly wouldn’t have had it left to your own devises
>What is crossplatform online learning