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21858613 No.21858613 [Reply] [Original]

How could you say this is pornographic and inappropriate for elementary school children?

>> No.21858638

Amazon says it's for 18+

>> No.21858641

OP mad cause OP in it

>> No.21858643

>>21858613
>>21858638
Yeah this is clearly a case of librarians, teachers, or school admins begrudgingly fulfilling some quote for inclusive works, and because they're the kind of idiots who think you can turn gay by reading a gay book, they didn't read it, and exposed children to pornography.

The book shouldn't be in schools for less than 16 year olds (going by UK standards), but the real story is the people who exposed kids to porn. My money is they're straight.

>> No.21858677

>>21858643
you can "turn gay" by being exposed to gay media just like your primary sexual desire being for women can be supplanted by sonic inflation porn after being exposed to rule 34 while being young, dumb, full of cum etc. i give it 20 years before you guys catch up to common sense. just look at /d/. they were not born like that. even if you can be born gay, that does not rule out learning a fetish that resembles homosexuality.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>> No.21858909

>>21858677
Or possibly nobody is born 100% straight or gay.

And your confusing sexual attraction with fetishes, which are beyond the scope of this discussion.

If you became gay reading a gay book, you were already gay. If you now like sonic furry shit after read some, you were already that way inclined.

Your first reaction is disgust because of social conventions. But it's 100% normal.

>> No.21858919

I fully support banning all books that support transgenderism, not just from schools but from everywhere.

>> No.21858925

>>21858613
Pornography isn't literature.

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21858934

>>21858909
>if you became a crackhead by smoking crack, you were already a crackhead

>> No.21858937

>>21858934
You were already worthless subhuman waste as no one else would willingly smoke crack.

>> No.21858948

Freedom of speech and of the press is a dangerous idea which serves to corrupt the minds of the people and all the Popes (not including the Vatican II antipopes) spoke against it.

Pope Pius IX
> The civil liberty of every mode of worship, and full power given to all of openly and publicly manifesting their opinions and their ideas conduce more easily to corrupt the morals and minds of the people... The Roman Pontiff cannot and ought not to reconcile himself or agree with, progress, liberalism and modern civilization.

>> No.21858949

>>21858937
So I guess you were already retarded since you posted this retarded shit.

>> No.21858956

>>21858613
How could you not? Only paedophiles support this books inclusion in schools.

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>>21858909
>sexuality is innate

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>>21858643
Pornography is absolutely evil and will turn you into a degenerate, but it is false to say that the normalisation of homosexuality in society does not cause people to become homosexuals. Unlike other mental disorders, homosexuality is contagious. This is not my opinion it’s an empirical fact. Pic related proves it. In the Silent Generation 0.8% identify as homosexuals, whereas in Gen-Z 20% do. That is 20% of people who, barring a reversion to normality later in life, will never have families, never reproduce, and will forever wallow in their pornography and filth.

>> No.21858962

>>21858949
>t. gutter trash

>> No.21858963

>>21858613
This is trash. They should be reading real literature like Gide, Duvert, or Matzneff

>> No.21859001

>>21858961
I think it's more impressionable young people being exposed to unprecedented pro gay propaganda, and facing a grim and decadent reality where there are no guidelines or moral standards.
They embrace the gender globohomo humanity erasing program because they are very easily lured into thinking that it's the key to all their problems, that all their inner turmoil is because of they were born the wrong sex, and they get celebrated on social platforms and called "brave" for literally nothing than ideologically being a brainless bdsm bottom sub piece of shit.
And life becomes easier, you get inclusivity points at school and at some stupid meaningless office job, until you start facing real world problems and all falls apart but at 24yo you're already old for the current culture and there are 14yo awaiting to get their indoctrination.

>> No.21859004

>>21858961
An argument against your point is that people have always been gay, but could never express it before

>> No.21859008

>>21859001
guido

>> No.21859013

>>21859004
No because the data I’m citing polls people from different generations in (you can read it at the top) 2012, 2017, and 2021. By those times any social impediment to “coming out” was long done away with. And yet we see these figures.

>> No.21859064

>>21858613
Censorship functionally does not work
It is the definition of treating a symptom not a disease

>> No.21859068

>>21859064
Censorship absolutely works. It not only works it is necessary for the moral stability of society. The primary duty of the state is to inculcate Virtue in its subjects, therefore the state has the right to censor degeneracy.

>> No.21859074

>>21858613
My school had books like this but nobody touched them because it'd make you gay and everyone would call you a fag.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>> No.21859082

>>21858909
Homosexuality is a fetish

>> No.21859089

>>21858934
To use
>>21858937
As a jumping point.

While we don't know how close mental (porn) addiction is to physical (crack) addiction, but yes.

If you were the kind to try crack you're already in the demographic of crack users. Nobody goes to drug sampling parties like they do with wine.

There is very little in your life that isn't dictated by the circumstances of your birth.

>> No.21859093

>>21859064
I completely agree with you. And while we still should do things like these while dealing with the main cause, if we are not dealing with it then these temporary measures are worthless.

>>21859068
Only if we censor & forbid all other degeneracy as well, which we do not.

>> No.21859108

>>21858957
Who loves you, baby.

>> No.21859110

>>21859093
Yes but the State should censor all degeneracy, all pornography, and should imprison homosexuals, adulterers, whoremongers and the lot.

>> No.21859124

>>21859068
It gives you the illusion that it is working. It's very easy to think that you could define a person's life by what you don't show or tell them. But this is based on an assumption that people require outside input to act or even function. The reality is the less outside input a person has the MORE likely they are to act, in other words the more will they have. A person who lives a simple life is inherently more volatile and censorship is fundamentally an act of simplification. You are not going to instill virtue in people by simplifying their lives. You are only creating a gap in which to call those virtues into question.

>> No.21859129

>>21859124
Explain this then (>>21858961)

>> No.21859131

>>21859110
What should the government do with them is a different and as of right now irrelevant question because we have yet to even censor pornography. Remain quiet about that until we actually get there

>> No.21859133

>>21859013
You know baby boomers weren't born in 2012, right? That's when they were asked, when they were (from the bottom of your own chart) 78 at the oldest, would just suddenly decide to identify as gay?

Your premis of homosexuality is based on 2 conditions:
It is choice (if this were the case then you chose to be straight)
It is unnatural (when cases have been documented in over 1500 species)
Social conventions have no effect on people's lives (when LGBT+ are more likely to attacked than any other demographic)

In short. You're trying to use stats you don't understand to justify your own bigoted behaviour.

>> No.21859135

>>21859124
You think more or less people would watch child pornography if it was freely available and legal? You think more or less of it would be made?

>> No.21859137

>>21859082
It would probably fall under sissification, feminisation, public use or some other actual fetish.

But you knew all this already.

>> No.21859142

>>21859110
And put anybody with a gun on a watchlist.

If we're talking about kids safe, after all.

>> No.21859143

>>21859133
Exactly, they won’t suddenly identify as gay, because they aren’t gay, because they weren’t exposed to gay propaganda throughout their life and were taught to consider it shameful and disgusting (which it is). You would too if you were born in their generation.

>> No.21859145

>>21859142
No just restrict weapons rights and voting rights (although monarchy is better) to married white men with children who own their own homes.

>> No.21859161

Gay people don't exist

>> No.21859166

>>21859143
These are people with 2 or 3 generations of family under them. They aren't as naïve as you throw a bombshell like that for the sake of a survey.

Your own chart shows a slight uptick in boomers at the end, more for gen X, even more for Millennials.

Proving if anything that basic straight guys like you assume everything is super and has been for decades for LGBT, even though acceptance has been long delayed.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>> No.21859169

>>21859142
>>21859145

Why do not you two try to find out what to do in order to get pornography censored?

>>21859135
>>21859129

And what if you two responded to what >>21859093 said instead of poking at >>21859124?

Oh right, you all just want to waste your fucking time doing nothing

>> No.21859171

>>21859135
Outlawing something and censoring something are two different things
When you outlaw something you intend to make people more aware of it not less. The thing is censorship has the exact same outcome but that is not the intention of it. You see how this creates an issue.
Outlawing something says "If you do this there will be clear consequences". Censoring something says "I am attempting to control you so that you won't think to do this in the first place".
The thing is if child pornography was freely available and legal that would require one to accept the presupposition that society had already by and large deemed it unworthy of outlawing or censoring. So ask yourself this, in such a world, why would one have the desire to censor it and how could they possibly be successful in doing so?

>> No.21859173

>>21858613
I am undecided but I always try to support whatever is worst for every one.

>> No.21859180

>>21859166
Yes, the uptick (I concede) could be due to the loosening of morals in society. But the STARK difference in generational homosexuality is due to homosexual propaganda. That’s obvious.

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>>21859161
Gay people are infertile.
Trans people are voluntary eunuchs.

>> No.21859194

>>21859143
You really think two girls kissing is disgusting?
>were taught to consider it shameful and disgusting (which it is).
Prove, objectively, that it's disgusting and shameful. You can't; it's an aesthetic judgment that you make and try to push on everyone. That's why you need mass censorship and propaganda to maintain it. Anti-gays want to censor gay people to maintain their control over society while gay people don't care what straights do. Just goes to show who's on the right side of nature. If you let people be gay they naturally will. You need a fascistic regime of dominance in order to maintain your worldview.

Personally, I find heterosexual relationships to be disgusting and shameful. Women submit themselves to douchebags while douchebag men run around and try to acquire enough material goods to make a woman feel he's worthy enough to submit to. Meanwhile with gays everything is just a lot more simple and equitable. That said I would never try to regulate my personal aesthetic tastes into law because I'm not a brain damaged psycho.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>> No.21859195

>>21859173
You need to be over 18 to post here

>> No.21859199

man, this closet is STEAMY! someone come out and let the fresh air in.

>> No.21859221

>>21858613
Explain exactly what the educational value of such a book that it absolutely needs to be in public school libraries.
Keep in mind that no one is stopping individual families from buying it for their own children and there are many public libraries that not only have the book but allow access without age restriction.

So it isn't actually banned, schools are just choosing not to buy it because it's inappropriate for a educational setting with small children.

>> No.21859228

>>21859195
Yes how dare I not reflexively adopt some hollow tribal internet opinion.

>> No.21859229

>>21859133

>It is unnatural (when cases have been documented in over 1500 species)
In fact, as expected, the number "1500" turned out to have no basis. The Norwegian zoologist Peter Beckmann, who first uttered this number, could not give his source. This refers to the exhibition he organized in Oslo in 2006 on animal homosexuality, which was sponsored by the state as forming a tolerant attitude towards homosexuality is part of Norway's state policy. Biologists note that same-sex animal behavior is not only of academic interest but is often used to solve legal problems in humans (Bailey & Zuk, 2009). For example, at the Lawrence v. Texas trial, examples from Bruce Badgemeal's book were presented as evidence that made it possible to repeal sodomy laws in Texas and other states.
In the rhetoric of LGBT activists, one can often hear that homosexuality is some kind of norm for a person, since it is supposedly observed in nature - in animals. This statement builds on the following sequential statements:

>homosexuality is observed in animals
>what animals do is natural
>Therefore, homosexuality is natural for humans

The problem with this conclusion is that the first statement represents a substitution of concepts and a biased anthropomorphic interpretation of animal behavior, and the 2nd and 3rd statements are based on a highly selective extrapolation of wildlife phenomena to human life. First of all, it should be noted that in animals there is no "homosexuality" (sexual attraction to the same sex and actions based on it), but same-sex behavior that usually has nothing to do with sexual attraction or even intercourse as such. Even LGBT activist Simon LeVey, known for his brain research, admitted that "In the animal kingdom there is no 'homosexual orientation' in the human sense, and the recorded episodes of homosexual behavior never lead to their replacing heterosexual activity." (LeVay, 1996). The fact that animals can have sex with, or be stimulated by, members of their own sex does not mean they are homosexual. Homosexuality is a man-made concept to describe human relationships or behavior.

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>>21858949

>> No.21859243

>>21859229
Animals and their social structure are not governed by the same patterns as human society. Therefore, the comparison with our sexuality or nature is always limited and possible with reservations. Researchers of animal sexual behavior note that although they use commonly accepted expressions to describe the behavior of same-sex animals, such as "homosexual", "preference for a sexual partner", "sexual orientation", these terms do not agree with the terms at all used to describe a person's orientation, which is a much more complex phenomenon (Roselli, 2009). According to linguist Bruce Beigmil in the book Biological Abundance, published by a publisher specializing in homosexual literature, including pornographic ones, "Same-sex behavior has been documented in more than 450 animal species" (Bagemihl, 1999). In fact, in most cases non-sexual behavior of animals is described in relation to individuals of their sex. If we talk about sexually motivated manifestations of same-sex (or rather bisexual) behavior, then such cases will be isolated.

>> No.21859244

>>21859228
See >>21859195

>> No.21859249

>>21859244
>You don't belong here because you won't dogmatically repeat my opinion
Guess I'd rather be on reddit then

>> No.21859252

wow my 15 yo son just saw a depiction of a blowjob, I am literally shaking
Most parents are actually insane

>> No.21859256

>>21858956
Nah, us pedos prefer the kids reading Lewis Carroll or books about gymnastics and stretching.
Or videography for kids books.
For reasons...

We don't like this trans shit being pushed on children because boy lovers love boys as they are, girl lovers love girls as they are, and bi pedos think children are perfect the way they are and it's a shame they have to transition to adulthood. Much less into some abomination that is a shitty facsimile of the other sex.

>> No.21859258

>>21859252
a teenage boy discovering porn is not analogous to an elementary school child learning that people dress up like animals for sex

>> No.21859260

>>21859249
Don't come back

>> No.21859262

>>21859260
See you there

>> No.21859264

>>21859252
If your 15 year old is still in the first or second grade then he got a hell of a lot more issues than some weirdo groomers.

>> No.21859270

>>21858909
Not being born 100% straight is a genetic illness which deserves treatment.

>> No.21859271

>>21859270
There are absolute flaming homos far more adjusted to society than you and how you choose to react to that information is your problem and your problem alone

>> No.21859274

>>21859270
Based
>>21859271
Pozzed

>> No.21859277

>>21859271
Sure. The homosexuals still deserve to be treated for their illness and be given an opportunity to live a normal life.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

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>>21859271
>menally ill people are well adjusted to a mentally ill society checkmate chud

>> No.21859279

>>21859274
Your opinion changes when /pol/ tells you to
Post foreskin

>> No.21859281

>>21858949
Kek

>> No.21859285

>>21859270
There is absolutely zero evidence that homosexuality is genetic. Instead there is a small amount of evidence that it is environmental and developmental in nature.

>> No.21859288

>>21859278
>hah, I posted an image where I'm smug!
Doesn't make you more adjusted to society but keep seething at fags when it's your own social ineptitude making you miserable

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>>21859279
>mentally ill homosexual is obsessed with /pol/
Pottery

>> No.21859293

>>21859290
>let me tell you your own opinion
>everything is reddit/jews/trannies/insert scapegoat here
Yawn

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>>21859288
Holy projection

>> No.21859298

>>21859264
I hope you didn't fall for OP's scam that these books were ever on elementary schools

>> No.21859299

>>21859294
>no u
no u

>> No.21859308

>>21859298
They literally were.
I have seen them.

You can not gaslight me into believing otherwise.

>> No.21859311

>>21859308
Your peers believe you

>> No.21859312

>>21859308
This was debunked by CNN and Goldenstein on Twitter

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>>21859194
Homosexuality subverts the natural order by subordinating sexuality (whose telos is procreation) to the pursuit of mere pleasure.

From the nature of sexuality it is possible to discern its telos. When a man is "turned on", his penis hardens, and when a woman is turned on, her vagina self-lubricates. For what reason does this happen? The obvious answer is the vagina self-lubricates in order to receive the penis, and the penis hardens in order to penetrate the vagina.

When the two come together, naturally, after the emission of semen, life occurs. The instinct of sexuality was instilled within man in order to propagate the human species.

Homosexuality removes the telos of sex and makes it into a purely hedonistic activity. It denigrates man's rational faculty and turns him into an animal who pursues mere instinct and pleasure.

The poetry and harmony that exists between male and female is also obvious, and because of this homosexuals will try to replicate the male-female dynamic in their "relationships". One will act feminine, the other masculine. This is a deformed sort of sexuality, a mere simulation.

The asshole was not meant to be ruptured by any foreign object. Various medical problems abound among homosexuals, such as shitting the bed, because their assholes have been unnaturally stretched.

Lastly, the homosexual instinct is unnatural because it arises due to sexual abuse or an inherently deformed nature. Studies have shown that homosexuals are more likely to have been sexually abused in their childhood. Moreover, exposure to pornography (which is a form of sexual abuse), especially from a young age, makes one more likely to become a homosexual.

>I find heterosexual relationships to be disgusting and shameful
You find families to be disgusting?

>> No.21859333

>>21859194
>Prove, objectively, that it's disgusting and shameful.
Idiotic statement.
Prove objectively that 2+2=4.

>> No.21859338

>>21859323
>Homosexuality removes the telos of sex and makes it into a purely hedonistic activity.
Your entire premise is based on hedonism bad, fuck off with your 50s Christian morality Kellogg

>> No.21859340

>>21859285
Then reeducation is the right approach

>> No.21859344

>>21859333
Show me 2 things and then give me two more. Then count them. Q.E.D.

>> No.21859352

>>21859340
Maybe but unlikely.
It's been tried and it usually doesn't work.

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>>21859298
>combating the scam of all scams now makes you the scammer
It's all so tiresome.

>> No.21859361

>>21859338
My entire premise is living in harmony with nature, and thus acting in accordance with your telos, is what leads to happiness (eudaimonia).
>>21859344
You are uneducated. It is impossible to demonstrate necessary truths via inductive arguments. Our souls have a direct contact with the Divine Ideas, which is why we can know with certainty such things as 2+2=4.

>> No.21859372

>>21859344
>Show me 2 things and then give me two more. Then count them. Q.E.D.
Read sone basic philosophy of mathematics.

>> No.21859380

>>21859361
>>21859372
You both got BTFO pseuds

>> No.21859381

>>21859361
>My entire premise is living in harmony with nature
We did that before civilized society, harmony doesn't mean peaceful. You are unable to explain why a group of men spearhunting a Mammoth is harmonious with nature, yet anal sex isn't. It's an opinion based on a false premise which I'm not invested enough to try to convince you of, but if you can humour it maybe you'll see why you aren't being taken seriously

>> No.21859393

>>21859333
>>21859361
>>21859372
It’s not at all hard to prove. In most contexts, it doesn’t even require proof: this is a mere definition of the shorthand symbol 2 to denote the successor of 1, which in turn is the same as the result of adding 1 and 1 (the notion of “adding” natural numbers is often defined inductively, and this is one of the first steps.)

If you mean something you’ve heard about Russell and Whitehead’s “Principia”, which supposedly spends 200 pages to prove this: that’s a false rumor. The proof appears rather late in the book, but not because it took 200 pages to get there. It’s just something they didn’t need to address earlier in the book.

People often treat “1+1=2” as the quintessential mathematical theorem, a profound basic truth on which everything else rests. This, too, is false. It is, once again, a statement that doesn’t carry any depth or interest or utility. It’s just a notation, or at most an identification of one simple symbol with another simple expression.

>> No.21859402

>>21859393
>This, too, is false. It is, once again, a statement that doesn’t carry any depth or interest or utility. It’s just a notation
These aren't mutually exclusive. Factual statements can be notation, and in most cases, are.

>> No.21859405

>>21859293
*puts my cock into your mouth while you are yawning

>> No.21859408

>>21859405
no homo

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21859409

>>21859308
Lying is a sin, my son
Now lay down for your spankings

>> No.21859416

>>21859402
What? Do you know what's a theorem?

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>>21858613
Everything I don't like should be banned. Fuck you!

>> No.21859418

>>21859323
>(whose telos is procreation)
Telos is something invented in the human mind. It is not a part of nature. Nature never says that something is "for" this purpose or that purpose. It simply is. Evolution has shown countless examples where something that was supposed to be "meant" for one thing (according to a human mind) becomes more useful for a completely different purpose.

>to the pursuit of mere pleasure.
This implies that pleasure (which is something YOU personally seek) is bad but also raises the question of why sex is pleasurable to begin with. If the purpose of sex is childbirth why is it also something that releases massive waves of pleasure? Why should it be this way? Well if you think about it the purpose of sex for 99% of humanity is to get pleasure and children are the side effect. The reason sex is pleasurable is to simply trick people into childbirth. If sex were not immensely pleasurable you would see a huge decrease in childbirth.

>The obvious answer is the vagina self-lubricates in order to receive the penis, and the penis hardens in order to penetrate the vagina.
And you can't get the descriptive "is" of this fact into a proscriptive "ought." Things which exist have methods of self-replication or they wither away. This is of no concern to me, a conscious individual.

>The instinct of sexuality was instilled within man in order to propagate the human species.
The propagation of the human species is not an individual moral duty.

>Homosexuality removes the telos of sex and makes it into a purely hedonistic activity. It denigrates man's rational faculty and turns him into an animal who pursues mere instinct and pleasure.
Sexuality has existed before civilization and higher rational thought became the norm. All sexual activity is hedonistic. Heterosexual couples have sex because it is pleasurable and usually have unwanted children by accident. At least in homosexual couples this is not possible. Also all rational behavior has to have some goal or purpose. What is the purpose of this rational thought if not the pursuit of a higher pleasure? What is the purpose of anything if not some kind of hedonism. People with medical anhedonia are depressed, suicidal, and don't do shit.

>One will act feminine, the other masculine. This is a deformed sort of sexuality, a mere simulation.
That is not always the case. When it is the case it's not a simulation. One happens to be more masculine and the other happens to be more feminine.

>The asshole was not meant to be ruptured by any foreign object.
Anal sex exists in nature. The anus is literally a hole for passing objects through.

>Various medical problems abound among homosexuals, such as shitting the bed, because their assholes have been unnaturally stretched.
I'm sure you know from direct experience. I've never had any of these issues and neither have many straight people who perform anal sex. Also none of this applies to lesbians.

>> No.21859421

>>21859418
I never understood why brainlets write so much.

>> No.21859424

>>21859416
Unrelated, you keep deflecting when shown your ideas are based on false premises that others have to agree upon for what you're saying to make sense.

>> No.21859435

>>21859393
It is trivial to prove given e.g. peano axioms. But that is an *internal* proof not a demonstration of external truth. The statement depends entirely on the formal system and given a different formal system or a different interpretation, it is false.

Claiming it is "objectively" true, because it is provable under peano arithmetic is laughable.

>> No.21859437

>>21859424
What's the false premise?

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21859444

Wait, what?

>> No.21859445

>>21859323
>When a man is "turned on", his penis hardens, and when a woman is turned on, her vagina self-lubricates. For what reason does this happen? The obvious answer is the vagina self-lubricates in order to receive the penis, and the penis hardens in order to penetrate the vagina. When the two come together, naturally, after the emission of semen, life occurs. The instinct of sexuality was instilled within man in order to propagate the human species.
Wow such argumentative prowess. When your penis goes hard, why does this happen? Obviously because its telos is to have monogamous sex with a woman after the priest has performed the mystery of marriage. Everyone who finds this unpersuasive needs to read more Ed Feser blogposts. Atheists owned once again.

>> No.21859456

>>21859323
>Lastly, the homosexual instinct is unnatural because it arises due to sexual abuse or an inherently deformed nature.
"Inherently deformed nature" is completely subjective. You started by deriving morality from nature and now you call nature deformed. The "nature" you worship only exists inside your own head. When actual nature contradicts it you disregard nature. Again, you have no objective positions just your feelings.

>Studies have shown that homosexuals are more likely to have been sexually abused in their childhood. Moreover, exposure to pornography (which is a form of sexual abuse), especially from a young age, makes one more likely to become a homosexual.
Girls are also more likely to be sexually abused at a young age therefore sexual abuse causes children to be girls. (This entire post is a correlation vs causation fallacy)

>You find families to be disgusting?
I find many families disgusting. Most hetero people are barely attracted to one another, have sex, and spit out kids they don't want. Because they don't want them, they neglect and abuse them. Then you have hoards of neglected and abused adults becoming criminals, psychopaths, and abusers who probably do the same to their kids.

I do, however, think families with homosexual parents who choose to have kids when they are ready and who have to fight tooth and nail to get them are not disgusting at all.

>> No.21859461

>>21859444
What's wrong? Most posts ITT are obviously chatgpt-generated.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>> No.21859463

>>21859435
>t. can't count

>> No.21859464

>>21859437
I can't explain your entire worldview to you because it doesn't make any sense to me. Every argument you are making is based upon this notion that people agree that what YOU think is bad, is bad. You aren't attempting to explain why you think that way or justify it, you're trying to convince others because you want to be right

>> No.21859471

>>21859464
Botpost

>> No.21859479

>>21859471
>If I call them a bot, maybe I'll forget about my various ideological inconsistencies
Your inability to reflect is not my problem

>> No.21859483

>>21859381
Gay people are infertile. Homosexual is an oxymoron. The word "Sex" denotes the man and the woman.

>> No.21859495

>>21859483
>Gay people are infertile.
I want you to read carefully. You were not alive in the time period where people had to hide being gay to avoid persecution and you lack a critical understanding of the world because of it. You almost certainly descend from at least one faggot who had a kid because of societal pressure. If you choose to deny this, you'll remember when you accept it.

>> No.21859496

>>21859463
What?

>> No.21859500

>>21859180
Nah. But remember nobody is 100% straight (we know you're not, the biggest whiners are always the biggest closet cases), so at what % would somebody say they're gay or bi?

I'll concede most people are high % straight however.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>> No.21859503

>>21859495
>being gay is genetic
Can you prove this?

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>>21859500
I don't read posts stamped with the zogbot mark

>> No.21859513

>>21859495
Even in 1200 you could be a volcel.

>> No.21859522

>>21859495
Homofaggotism is an evil rooted in the perversion of the individual through societally caused masturbation. The individual, confined by society to his sexuality, instead of a purposeful role in society, at first, masturbates, then, his notion of sexuality being perverted, projects his false notions onto other individuals. Condom sex is inherently homosexual, with the exception that the modern heterosexual is turned towards perverted forms of the female body while the homosexual seeks something entirely out of nature. Men cannot have sex together. Whatever faggots do in bed, it is not sex. It is a sketchy debauchery of it. What were the societies that tolerated homosexuality? Rome and Greece. They both fell. Such is the fate of the West.

>> No.21859560

>>21859513
This still happens to day. Reproducing homosexuals is probably due to protestant denials of celibacy as a valuable lifestyle, and even then there have always been secular bachelor's. He thinks the world has always been 20th century middle class America.

>> No.21859564

>>21859522
yeah dude swans are going to go extinct because some of their brains are wired wrong you're completely sane and correct

>> No.21859571

>>21859564
I accept your concession and defeat.

>> No.21859593

>>21859564
>reproductive strategy for high chick survival rates = gay
If you want anyone to take your evolutionary claims seriously you should rise above the individual unit to the population.

>> No.21859626

>>21859445
There is a natural law and a divine law. Homosexuality is against the natural law, polygamy is against the divine (revealed) law. Now even in the natural law there are hints towards the monogamous family structure, since children need a father and mother to educate and raise them. However marriage as a sacrament is purely divine law, and cannot be derived through natural speculation.

>> No.21859630

21859461
...
Jesus fuck it's all bots, right?
I'm the last human using this site right?
Fuck.

>> No.21859707

>>21859630
Yeah you should leave

>> No.21859761

>>21859630
lel

>> No.21859772

>>21859323
umm sorey sweetie common sense has been refuted now that gay porn in libraries turned everyone into fags

>> No.21859812

>>21859323
What I find interesting is that most ancient societies and religions permitted homoerotic relationship while forbidding (or at least frowning upon) homosexual intercourse, Plato is the most obvious example but we also can see it in Zen Buddhism. The Axial Age is what introduced ideas of human dignity, ethics, religion and homosexuality was seen as something tantamount to assault or molestation while homoeroticism was accepted. The modern secular liberal West is the only society since before the advent of the axial revolutions that accepts homosexuality. Very strange deviation if you ask me.

>> No.21859907

>>21859456
It’s not subjective. If your action aims at procreation it is natural; if it divorces the act from procreation and substitutes it for the pursuit of mere pleasure it is unnatural. Also, everybody knows exactly what the gay “adoptive parents” are going to do to the little boys they adopt.
>>21859418
The purpose of lust is to incite you to procreation, just as the purpose of hunger is to incite you to eat. One may pursue eating in an unnatural and unhealthy way, for example by overeating or eating unhealthily, and so with lust.

>> No.21859924

>>21859907
a couple marries and has kids. either the woman or man becomes infertile. both still desire to have sex. are they wrong in your opinion for doing so?

>> No.21859931

>>21859812
That’s overblown. For example people try claiming Patroklos and Achilles were gay or homoerotic just because they were good friends who loved each other. Also Ancient Greek pederasty had as its main aim the education of young men, but unfortunately the institution became corrupt because of homos.

>> No.21859932

>>21859418
The pursuit of pleasure can be destructive to the self. In the ideology of Buddhism it creates cyclical suffering, as an example.

Just because something IS pleasurable doesn't mean it SHOULD be chased after.

>> No.21859938

>>21859924
No, their bodies are both fundamentally ordered towards unity and procreation. If they have sex they could get lucky and conceive. Many couples after years of trying manage to conceive. This is totally different to masturbation, sex with animals, or homosexuality.

>> No.21859947

>>21859938
and if the woman is told by physicians the next pregnancy will likely kill the mother, the child or both?

>> No.21859956

>>21859947
Then no sex. Any emission of semen outside of the human vagina (assuming also non-incestuous) is contrary to natural law. Contraception is bad but not as bad as homosexuality because it is closer to the ideal.

>> No.21859965

>>21859956
I endorse the skoptsy view. we should all just castrate ourselves already.

>> No.21859988

>>21859965
No, we should practice self-conquering and discipline. Every man has a rational side and an animal side. The rational side aims at the true, good, and beautiful, whereas the animal side simply provides us with appetites. Neither of these sides are evil, but there must be a hierarchy. The rational side must be enthroned as master, and the animal side must be corrected and tempered by the rational. What modern man, influenced by Freud, calls repression, we call Virtue. This is not a fundamentalist crackpot idea either: Plato and Aristotle both taught this. It is inherent in all the great religious traditions: Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, and Christianity.
Modern man thinks self-expression and freedom equals the satisfaction of appetite. The classical conception of freedom is freedom from the passions, total self-control.

>> No.21860000

>>21859956
sex strengthens the bond between man and woman and the family bond by extension. children who grow up with parents who love each other grow up to be happier people and have healthier relationships. i don't understand how anyone could think this is a bad thing or unnatural. sex is a complex and necessary component in societal health. sexually frustrated partners do not make good citizens.

>> No.21860004

>>21859988
And the classical conception is good and virtuous. This is why Plato tolerated male-male homoeroticism, because of it's role in education and nurturing virtue, while condeming homosexual sex because it is intrinsically tied to our lower animalistic desires. In this sense, the modern LGBT movement is actually an extreme form of reactionary conservatism: it drags humanity back to a time before the great religions and philosophies across civilizations. It represents the barbarian world the patriarchs of the Old Testament struggled against.

>> No.21860030

>>21860000
I support natural family planning, because it allows for sex with a low chance of conception and yet is still open to the possibility of life. Artificial methods such as condoms close off the possibility of life entirely. And this Freudian concept of sexual frustration and repression must be looked at critically: is this an inherent human psychological phenomenon or is it conditioned by society?
I personally haven’t been totally upright and virtuous with my girlfriend and have done things I shouldn’t have. But I find that the love we have for each other is expressed more purely, and with more significance in our non-sexual encounters.
Sex is ultimately a momentary frenzy, which comes upon you and quickens your pulse, causes you to do things you usually wouldn’t. And finally, when the sludgy sticky white stuff comes out of your cock, the frenzy is gone, and you feel either ashamed or indifferent. This, I contend, is not love, but passion. (Consider: there can be no prostitutes offering love services, only lust services).

>> No.21860036

>>21858613
Le illiterate education bureaucrat inducing body dysmorphia and suicidal ideation in children because they are desperate to blackmail you into voting for the blue party. Le locking helpless children up in an air conditioned room and indoctrinating them on the importance of normalizing sex work and sex reassignment surgery and scolding them for their white privilege in between false flag mass shootings and mandatory drag shows sponsored by onlyfans lockheed martin and mastercard. Fucking hate queers simple as.


Your children! Give us access to your children!
>screeches in furry AVI ACAB AMAB BLM blue wave emoji pronouns land acknowledgement public teachers union membership (you know how hard is it to fire public employees?)link to onlyfans and laundry list of mental illnesses in bio

>> No.21860052

>>21858613
marginalized folx have every reason to trust progressive bourgeoisie and managerial strata over fascist white settlers who want them dead.we have every right to deplaatform fascists and reactionaries and class reductionists and capitalist realists and science deniers and ensure safety for marginalized and vulnerable members of our communities. out for what they are: white supremacist domestic terrorists! If you are not with us then you are with the terrorists! We have every right to demand the destigmatization and normalization of sex work, mental health, fat positivity, pornography, drug use, decolonization prison abolition police abolition family abolition the sexual enmancipation of children and an end to white supremacy and the gender binary and the abolition of a white supremacist culture based on the tyranny of the written word.

Instead of pandering to the most backward sectors of the working class we should lead the way along with the most advanced ones, black and indigenous people, and queer/ trans sex workers. Sex workers not the straight male labour aristokkkracy who are at the vanguard of the proletarian movement, women and queer people taking the means of production into their own hands by refusing to perform unpaid sexual and emotional labor for white men.

The real class struggle is not in factories but in womens bodies. Sexwork is a threat to patriarchy the capitalist system itself it is radically queer because it goes against the idea that sex is for the reproduction of the nuclear family and the patriarchal ideology of romantic love. Its a means for workers to take the means of production into their own hands here and now to abolish the distinction between the private sphere and the public, between work and pleasure and self expression. To break down the walls of lily white christian suburbia into a brave new world of pleasure rebellion and freedom. Yes it is true what they say about us queer postmodern neomarxists We are gonna groom all your daughters to be whores and your sons to be nympho trans sex workers

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>>21858613
the LGBT(tm) identity is based on science and evidence, not even heterosexuality is backed by as much Hard data. so instead of relying on sexual repression and christian religious superstition you should catch up to the 21st century and embrace an identity based on LOVE (aka objective scientific and psychiatric authority)


Many 4chan users are neurodivergent but have internalized the ableist prejudices of the wider society rendering them vulnerable to radicalization by incels, transphobes, russian bots and white supremacists. it would be far more radical to adopt an intersectional equity based perspective that places evidence based treatment and the lived experience of mental health consumers first and foremost in its intersections with gender race sex worker status, internalized stigma against the use of hard drugs. Besides it plays into the arguments of reactionaries to imply queer peoples identities are based on trauma and not on objective scientific and psychiatric authority.

>> No.21860071

>>21858613
the books are not pornographic because there is no such thing as gay sex whatever it is this people do is purely sanctimonious and ideological. the reason these things are so infuriating its not because they are obscene, but because even their gross perverted sex acts come off as completely desexualized and puritanical, devoid of anything remotely resembling eroticism- these people dont have sex they virtue signal and engage in shrill, politically correct activitiies at the behest of george soros, the DNC and their marxist professors.

>> No.21860074

>>21860061
If you believe in ''science'' you are foolish. I think the real problem for many 4chan users is not homosexuality, but LGBT identity and the way political movements create identities that don't gel with the kind of people you find on here or people just don't like and don't want to get wrapped up in that form of politics. But then again, I only just started using this site after an 8 year hiatus so who knows? It could be crawling with volcano obsessed schizoids

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>>21858613
What's the worse that could happen?

>> No.21860104

>>21860074
its not about politics, its about empathy and basic human decency. its about combatting fascism and terrorism, which can only be done by normalizing sex work as an acceptable carreer choice like any other, there will actually be more sex work after the revolution because sexual liberation is essential for cultural decolonization.

>> No.21860114

>>21858613
I just hate trannies and want their lives to be more miserable
ban their books
ban their culture
ban their speech
ban their shows
I hope we go back to the 2000s and start stripping gay rights too
God I hope the Irish go next

>> No.21860125

>>21860104
It is a bout politics. LGBT claim to be inclusive but the identities they create are very fixed, rigid, and difficult for a lot of people to fit into, a lot of those people are openly homophobic out of anger while at the same time being openly sexual degenerates because they're fapping to 2D anime girls or lolis. LGBT politics is just part of the governing system anyway, one of the ways the state and its legal system extend their tentacles into our everyday lives.

How is normalizing sex work gonna combat terrorism? I don't see anyone joining terror groups because they can't be sex workers. "Ohh no sex work for me, better join the IRA" or something do you think OBL knocked down the towers because Amerika banned sex work? Kids become terrorists because they think its cool and like the aesthetics. It's like being a goth or metalhead.

>> No.21860132

>>21860125
le ebbin queer leftists are just the people who mindlessly defend DEI HR corporate bureaucracies, compulsory education and the biomedical psychiatric pharma complex and the sex industry like the dumbest of dumb right wingers defend the church police and military.

>> No.21860137

>>21860074
That's pretty much it, but people can get too wrapped up in the trolling or take it at face value. As always.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>> No.21860143

>>21858613

>In a slick video released on Facebook with over one million views so far, a hyper-feminized/sexualized 8 year old boy (who some have compared to a drag version of JonBenét Ramsey) is featured partying in a hypersexual adult LGBT environment and telling kids watching that if their parents or friends do not support their desire to be drag (or trans), they need to get new parents and friends. As “Lactatia” speaks to his peers, while an all too happy host leers, bold text leaps out at the viewer saying “YOU NEED NEW PARENTS! YOU NEED NEW FRIENDS!” You too can be a drag queen or transgender superstar and perhaps head out on the town to party with the wild LGBT boys and “Lactatia.” If your parents won’t get on board, they can simply be replaced with a new “glitter family.”
https://www.studocu.com/row/document/university-of-nicosia/finance-managerial-accounting/synanon-transgender-this-is-an-essay-about-gender-issues-around-the-world-and-how-we-are-influenced/16420782

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/12/24/leaked-files-syria-psyops-astroturfing-breadtube-covid

https://www.city-journal.org/the-real-story-behind-drag-queen-story-hour?wallit_nosession=1

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire-family-pushing-synthetic-sex-identities-ssi-pritzkers

https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/15/transgender-professor-at-old-dominion-university-rebrands-pedophiles-as-minor-attracted-persons/

yes we should definitely trust these people, nothing suspicious going on in here, these are just individuals who want to express themselves and be left alone, not brainwashed tools of a totalitarian corporate social engineering agenda /s.

>> No.21860186

>>21860143
this makes me angry but for some reason also intensifies my desire to have weird degenerate gay sex with autistic trannies.

>> No.21860212

>>21858909
Have you heard of any kids getting molested as a child and then growing up into a pedophile or a faggot?

>> No.21860221

Soccer moms, man. Q and its consequences have been a disaster for this site.

>> No.21860222

>>21858613
Well, there is a limit, and this is basically just explicit visual sexual content and pornography far beyond the use of salacious language or pushing a controversial viewpoint that might make little Timmy think differently, so I would be of the opinion that this should not be allowed in a school setting similar to how a Hustler magazine would not be.

>> No.21860233

>>21860221
Cry about it

>> No.21860245

>>21860221
>he never grew out of his moral nihilist for the lulz phase
now you are inadvertently advocating for illustrations of blowjobs in public school libraries. you are a disgrace.

>> No.21860250

>>21860212
No

>> No.21860256

>>21860221
this, anyone who is even mildly crirtical of bioleninism and our pedophilic LGBTSJWTFNPC cultural marxist ideology is a qanon terrorist conspiracy theorist!

>> No.21860255

>>21860245
Is the blowjob book in schools?

>> No.21860260

>>21860256
Keighleigh's waiting for you to pick her up at practice, Karen.

>> No.21860267

>>21860245
trannies ruin everything they touch, they make even the edgiest things like molesting children mutilating them brainwashing them and exposing them to extreme pornography seem lib and cringe

>> No.21860270

>>21860260
liberal soccer moms dragging their children to see the drag queen in an obscure blue tribe ritual

>> No.21860299

>>21860260
have already read lots of anti trans books so by this point id be more interested in reading pro trans literature. What could possibly justify this madness?what is some science or theory i can read which can help me check my privilege and learn more about the awful plight the diverse and vibrant culture of these warm body politically correct victimhood unit NPCs, this snivelling priesthood of pedophilic apparatchiks, cowardly hiding behind political correctness and victimhood in order to rape, groom abuse and indoctrinate our children, purpose engineered biopolitical clientele for pharmaceuticals the sex industry, the managerial state, NGOs the corporate monoculture and the democratic party, i mean these most noble and progressive these most pitiful and wretched of creatures?

Any lgbt/ gay/queer theory/ transgender/ cultural marxism books you would recommend to a straight white cis male who is trying to overcome his deepseated heteronormative prejudices, and be a better ally to our politically correct friends in the corporate social engineering and propaganda/child molestation community?

>> No.21860310

>>21860245
most of the old real 4chan edgelords became trannies because they realized they could debasedmaxxx by exploiting liberal ideology

>> No.21860313

>>21858613
Is this book actually being stocked in public schools or is this another case of boomers reading on Facebook that "people are saying" schools are installing litterboxes for students that identify as cats?

>> No.21860323

>>21860255
can you not google "gender queer maia whogivesafuck book public school library" and click on the second result?

>> No.21860335

>>21860313
See everything in here, we are dealing with a militant ideological movement of political soldiers, a movement which fundamentally relies on secrecy, deceit, censorship and moving the goalposts. this is why LGBT shock troopers are so sensitive to criticism, because they have. a lot to hide.
>>21860143

>> No.21860338

>>21860313
are you zoomers so helpless you can't even use google? can't you just ask siri?
>The Spring Lake Board of Education voted 4-3 to remove “Gender Queer,” a 2019 memoir by Maia Kobabe, from the shelves of Spring Lake High School during a regular meeting Monday, Oct. 17.

>The vote came after three separate complaints from parents about the book had been received since June.

>Students are still able to access the book through the school counselor’s office, but only if a parent signs a document giving their consent.

>“Gender Queer,” a graphic novel that details the author’s experience coming out as nonbinary and asexual, was named the most challenged library book in America in 2021 by the American Library Association.

>> No.21860339

>>21858677
thank you mr. owen

>> No.21860343

>>21860338
aka bioleninist groomer pedoganda

>> No.21860348

>>21858613
Slippery slope. Ban one book they'll ban more and more

>> No.21860350

>>21860343
i don't know what bioleninist means but yeah sure

>> No.21860358

>>21860348
so you are saying school libraries should carry de sade? you understand that books like his were already banned in such a place under an unwritten, unspoken rule every one understood until the entire western world lost its collctive mind, yeah?

>> No.21860360

>>21860350

https://spandrell.com/2017/11/14/biological-leninism/

https://spandrell.com/2017/12/13/bioleninism-the-first-step/

https://spandrell.com/2018/01/21/leninism-and-bioleninism/

>> No.21860361

>>21858613
Book was banned for explicit sexual imagery, not LGBT content. Non-story.

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>>21860348

>> No.21860380

>>21858677
>propaganda
>being curious
>and/or being confused horny underdeveloped teenager
These can definitely make you do stuff you initially thought were disgusting, or were indifferent about. Although i do agree the government shouldn’t ban ANY book regardless of its subject.

>> No.21860401

>>21858948
>I dont agree with you but i’ll fight so you can speak your mind openly and freely w/o fear.

>> No.21860425

There's a world of difference between a book being withheld from an elementary school age child and the U.S. pulling the book from shelves, but that's just the way leftoids dishonestly appeal to emotion nowadays. They recognize book burning as a powerful image in the collective psyche of western thought that can be used to exploit people by telling them their values are being threatened, when in reality the world where this oppression supposedly takes place is a complete fabrication.

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>>21858613
it was never about freespeech, remember how LGBTSJWTFNPCDNC apparatchicks used to mock the very concept of ''freezepeach'' claim the first ammendment was white supremacist? but now they start snivelling what about free speech when its about them trying to shove pornography and bioleninist pedoganda down our childrens throats via the compulsory education system? we are at war against a biological enemy that seeks to degrade the very level of human life in order to increase state power and corporate profits, you cannot negotiate with cultural marxists or trannies because their ideology is fundamentally based on deceit.

>> No.21860439

>>21860432
>>21860401
see, when they are ascendant they will decry free speech as inherently white straight and male, but when pedophilic lechery and lust for power pushes them to miscalcullate a tad to far, they will cry pathetically, see what about free speech! disagreeing with my political party is genoicide! give us access to your children, bigot!

>> No.21860442

>>21860401
I mean,bros,have you tried bringing up nietszche or any books for that matter around your local lgbtsjwtfnpc marxist cattle? In no time you will see their beady stupid cowlike eyes light up in panic. Soon enough they will start with the usual subhuman bleating, screeching and snivelling hysterically as if begging to be put out of their misery"wasnt he sexist? Arent you being dangerously eurocentric? Hasnt it been deboonked as fake news russian bot pseudoscience?Why read books by dead white men when you could have been watching CNN reading the NYT streaming the latest diverse and inclusive workplace comedies at netflix hulu and disneyplus? your daily mandatory dose of ''ethically sourced'' child pornography? Didnt you know reading antything beyond YA literature is ableist towards people who are too retarded to read? How does this further the short term electoral goals of the democratic party? Are you saying child sex workers arent real sex workers?Have you been taking your daily recomended dose of high fructuouse corn syrup your SSRIs and HRT? it is very important that you take the medication dr goldstein prescribed otherwise we will report you to corporate for mandatory sensitivity training as per the domestic terrorism act of 2021"

>> No.21860453

>>21860442
Buddy I think you need to lay off the fox news a bit

>> No.21860703

>>21860250
you're full of shit

>> No.21860764

>>21859221
OP here. I thought it was obvious, but in case it wasn't, I was being sarcastic. Obviously this shouldn't be in schools or libraries.

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>>21860348

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>>21858643
>and because they're the kind of idiots who think you can turn gay by reading a gay book

>> No.21860815

>>21858613
"Banning" a book with literal pornographic images from a public school isn't banning it from being sold, bought, or read by society at large. And this is coming from someone otherwise supportive of kids having access to (non-pornographic) LGBT media :^)

>> No.21861099

>>21858909
There are billions of people on Earth right now because most people are born normal.

>> No.21861101

>>21858613
>How could you say this is pornographic and inappropriate for elementary school children?
Because in kindergarten they watch PornHub, and they want quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZhxxo0zoPk

>> No.21861256

>>21858909
>Your first reaction is disgust because of social conventions
Its just a coincidence that societies around the world developed taboos against faggotry.

>> No.21861392

>>21860453
>fox news
You're such an out of touch boomer. Nobody on here who is right wing watches fox news, it isn't 2002 anymore, idiot. Fox news is controlled opposition, they are "conservatives" who will be indistinguishable from present-day liberals in a few years.

That said, they are the most popular corporate/legacy media group, since they at least sometimes espouse something resembling the truth; unlike the anti-white, anti-human state-funded leftists who openly talk about eliminating White people.

>> No.21861448
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>>21861392
>leftists who openly talk about eliminating White people.
You people are the most sensitive, self-victimizing pussies on the planet.

>> No.21861453

>>21861392
>they at least sometimes espouse something resembling the truth
Bro they literally just went to court and had multiple execs and personalities admit they lied to push a narrative.

>> No.21861858

>>21859409
I don't get why nuns are still sexualized.
The average age of nuns are like 60+.
Maybe they were sexy when boomers were young but my mental image of nuns always defaults to wrinkled old ladies.

>> No.21861864

>>21859417
It's not even actually banned.

>> No.21861865

>>21861448
He is referring to the woke left who engage in anti white politics and advocate for mass immigration in white countries and ethnic replacement

>> No.21861867

>>21858613
This book shouldn't be in schools. But manga should. Because manga is better.

>> No.21861880

>>21859323
>the only response this gets is degenerate losers screaming HEDONISM GOOD ACTUALLY when moderation between extremes is the most basic and effective method to happiness
Kekarooni

>> No.21861893

>>21858643
>Yeah this is clearly a case of librarians, teachers, or school admins begrudgingly fulfilling some quote for inclusive works
youve havent met a librarian or teacher in the past 5yrs have you

>> No.21861992

>>21861865
Yes I know what he calls "openly talking about eliminating white people" actually requires 15 layers of self-inserted subtext.

>> No.21862183

>>21860096
Well. Looks like schools are now teaching kids how to have gay sex lmao

>> No.21862247

>>21861893
Not even 5, they have been subversive radical far leftist even back when I was a kid. It's just they could get away with a lot less.

>> No.21862529

>>21859626
>polygamy is against the divine (revealed) law
Strange then how the old testament is full of it.

>> No.21863063

>>21858613
Fuck off tranny.

>> No.21863086

>>21858909
Faggot
I mean that offensively

>> No.21863218

>>21860439
>see, when they are ascendant they will decry free speech as inherently white straight and male
Correct, white people are the only group stupid enough to expect everyone else to adhere to their views on free speech when institutional power and prestige can be gained from using it cynically.

>> No.21863224

>>21861992
Anyone with a working internet connection can look up Noel Ignatiev, who are you trying to gaslight here retard?

>>21861867
That reminds me of the school mom karen that found a volume of Miss Kobayashi Dragon Maid and freaked out about it until it ended up on the local news.

>> No.21863537

>>21859626
>There is a natural law and a divine law. Homosexuality is against the natural law, polygamy is against the divine (revealed) law.
So let's put divine law aside for now and focus on natural law. What I am pointing out is the unavoidable arbitrariness of any attempt to derive purposiveness from biological facts. The most you could you in your previous post is to point to the fact that the sexual organs are constituted in a way that they can be used for reproduction. But of course their constitution is such as to be used in many other ways. And so you have failed to establish that the purpose of the sexual organs is reproduction rather than, say, homosexual intercourse.

>> No.21863560

>>21863537
Why the fuck are you writing in that way?
I ain't even in the conversation but it's clear you are actually trying to make your sentences more difficult to understand intentionally.
Why?

>> No.21863584

>>21863560
I don't think my post is hard to understand.

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>>21863224
You don't have to agree to Ignatiev's views on the concept of "whiteness" as a social institution, but he wasn't calling for genocide, he was very clear about that. I refer you back to this post >>21861448

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>>21861448
>You people are the most sensitive, self-victimizing pussies on the planet.
He cries out in pain as he strikes you

>> No.21864213

>>21858949
damn

>> No.21864220 [DELETED] 

>>21859064
Sure, but you treat both the disease itself and its symptoms. You don't need pain meds, but I doubt you'd refuse them after an operation.

>> No.21864228

>>21859133
>when LGBT+ are more likely to attacked than any other demographic
They literally have laws specifically protecting them, the media comes to bat for them at every turn, some schools will hide that a child is gay if they believe the parents wont like it. Their "oppression" is the justification for their privilege.

>> No.21864241 [DELETED] 

>>21859812
>The modern secular liberal West is the only society since before the advent of the axial revolutions that accepts homosexuality. Very strange deviation if you ask me.
Its really frustrating how we can only be certain of things that happen in our short lifespans, within our miniscule perspective. I can only wonder if this deviation is long-term, like Christianity usurping Paganism, or just a weird outlier that will be corrected within a century or two.

>> No.21864250

>>21860096
Satire yesterday is dogma today.

>> No.21864261 [DELETED] 

>>21860260
Fuck off and post your buzzwords somewhere else, faggot

>> No.21864271

>>21860350
It basically means giving power to minorities, homos, etc. because they have the least incentive to revolt, because in any other system they would be institutionalized.

>> No.21864790

>>21859180
I chose to be gay when I was around 10 because I started hating women.

>> No.21864866

I have always found it odd how a person can believe in the concept of a mental illness / personality disorder as a real affliction of the nervous system and then completely discount homosexuality as one such disorder
it really calls into question the curiosity / intellectual honesty of people. just how much of our thinking / labelling do we export wholesale to the modern priest class?
the mere notion of entertaining such an idea as a mental exercise is enough to send many into conniptions
I really wish one of these professors would nut up and assign it as a debate topic

>> No.21864891

>>21864866
I'm more bothered by how mental illness, retardation, terrifying experiences in upbringing, autism, etc are valid excuses for social faux pas.
Just because he's on the spectrum is no reason why the kid who outbursts in lectures and grabs people doesn't mean he should be ostracized.

>> No.21864926

>>21859338
I'm a hedonist and sex/masturbation is of negative value. I can indulge in either all day, multiple ejaculations. I'm left feeling fatigued and insensitive to other pleasures. Like eating a good meal or listening to music feels about 1/10th as it does when abstinent.

>> No.21864943

>>21864866
Because human sexuality is extremely complex and arbitrarily writing off what makes you uncomfortable as "mental illness" regardless if it actually impacts them like one is willful ignorance of that complexity.

>> No.21864966

I hope to see some actual book bannings beyond removing books from school libraries. Won't affect me and I get to witness the hysterics and political drama.

>> No.21864989

>>21864966
Not in the US.
Can't remember the last time they actually real deal banned a book. Closest you can get are books banned from Amazon, since that's losing access to 80% of the book market.

>> No.21865205

>>21864943
>Because human sexuality is extremely complex
No it isn't. Psychology is though, which is why homosexuality being a mental disorder or related to a mental disorder is highly probable.
> arbitrarily writing off what makes you uncomfortable
That's a strawman. Still, bad things tend to make people uncomfortable. How about we apply the same standards to you being "uncomfortable" over things like torture or child abusers? *pseud voice*: i mean, it's a complex issue.

You sound like a stupid teenager, meaning your opinion is indistinguishable from one.

>> No.21865209

I am for making sure dumb shit doesn’t published and forced down people’s throats.
Also Ayn Rand books should be banned.

>> No.21865217

>>21859133
>It is choice (if this were the case then you chose to be straight)
Of course it's a choice. Nobody is forcing you to take it up the ass.
>It is unnatural (when cases have been documented in over 1500 species)
It is unnatural. Humans are not animals. Just because something occurs in nature (which in this case is contestable), doesn't mean humans should do it. Killing, rape, and all sorts of violence occurs in nature.

>> No.21865222

>>21859194
>Prove, objectively, that it's disgusting and shameful
It spreads disease and the "gay lifestyle" is extremely unhealthy. Homosexuality manifests under horrible conditions, such as in the prevalence of gay rape in prisons.

Then there is the whole spiritual side of things, but the average buttfucking fag is much too far gone for any of that.

>> No.21865229

>>21863789
Ethnic replacement via forced migration is a form of genocide according to the UN. White people are actually the least likely to self-victimize, you are utterly delusional.

>> No.21865233

>>21861453
If I wanted the 84 IQ spic opinion I would turn on MSNBC, idiotic mutt garbage.
>Bro
You're not my bro, dog.

>> No.21865243

>>21861992
There is no subtext needed. You can turn on mainstream news and watch fat sheboons educated in the West go on about how we need to eliminate whiteness and destroy all of our institutions since they are actually "white supremacy". Meanwhile take a look at demographic statistics, you dumb ape. Whites are a global minority, and there is unfettered immigration into practically every country, despite no vote ever being held, and every poll showing that the overwhelming majority of the population does not support it.

Try using your brain, you dumb simian.

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>>21858909
What's that saying about advertising? If you think it doesn't affect you your wrong?

>> No.21866439

>>21864943
>regardless if it actually impacts them like one is willful ignorance of that complexity.
no it most certainly is not and I think you are an uncurious person
I do not think that mental illness and disorders make a person lesser. they are proof of how complex and delicate our brains and bodies are and should be studied honestly so we can better understand ourselves
homosexuals do not make me particularly uncomfortable past the (completely normal) disgust that most heterosexuals feel when witnessing homosexual acts transpire in public
this reaction itself is also interesting and worthy of study- but for uncurious people like you, the answers are simple. "everyone is just secretly homophobic" and other such dull thought-terminating cliches

>>21864891
attempting to integrate special needs kids into normal classrooms has been a disaster for everyone involved. I say this as someone who worked with special needs community for about a decade

>> No.21867656

>>21866439
>attempting to integrate special needs kids into normal classrooms has been a disaster for everyone involved. I say this as someone who worked with special needs community for about a decade

this is like trying to incorporate transgenderism into politics and society at mass

>> No.21868415

>>21858909
>nobody is born 100%
correct, we are born with vices and defects, no one is free from lust as you say
>it's 100% normal.
we are all in this condition, but it's far from ideal and nothing to celebrate or to take pride in

>> No.21868607

>>21861858
>Baudrillardmumbling.mov

>> No.21868680

>>21859444
April Fools!!

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>>21858613
How come the only book I ever see held up by conservatives is this book? Is it because this is the only actually good example, and everything else they are banning is not like this?

>> No.21868735

>>21865222
>It spreads disease
Not that much more likely than straight sex. If you fuck a diseased person you likely get it. It's just that gays don't worry about pregnancy so in the past didn't use protection.

>the "gay lifestyle" is extremely unhealthy
Extremely vague and probably based on your wildly inaccurate assumptions.

>Homosexuality manifests under horrible conditions, such as in the prevalence of gay rape in prisons.
Most bizarre form of guilt by association. If you segregate people with a sex drive by sex then obviously they're going to have sex with each other. Most of those people aren't even gay. If you put women in a male prison there would be plenty of rape as well but no homosex.

>Then there is the whole spiritual side of things, but the average buttfucking fag is much too far gone for any of that.
I would say that, in my observation, people search for their missing part. They want to balance out their masculine and feminine parts. On the whole gays are more feminine and therefore drawn to the masculine. Forcing gays to be with women is destructive to women and men.

>> No.21868788

>>21859143
The (((bots))) don't want you to understand.

>> No.21869169

>>21858613
ZZZZZZZZZZZ

>> No.21869283

i don't remember using a school library for anything other than the computers so this is mostly just a performative gesture on the part of republican lawmakers and petty dunk on school librarians. not that big a deal

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>>21860780
How can you say this when gay people unironically think this about hate symbols?

>> No.21870795

>>21865264
>we are totally normal
>looks at "global gay stats"
>its at 7%
>we are totally normal
>are totally normal
>totally nomral
>normal
I understand what they are trying to say but at the same time you can't say you are normal but also a special snowflake minority as well. JFC just pick one

>> No.21870801

>>21858613
What is insane to me is whenever its stuff like this about being trans with kids they always snap too "REE YOUR TRYING TO ERASE US!!!! REE YOUR TRYING TO REVOKE OUR RIGHTS!!!" As if foisting weird sexual shit on children is somehow a right everyone has but them.

>> No.21870996

>>21859166
I like how the pro-gay bot is named 'Pearl'

>> No.21871018

>>21860780
>if I quote the same retarded sentiment, but from a pic of a pdf, then it is not retarded
Just stop

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>>21860299
Checked

>> No.21871214

>>21859064
>Censorship functionally does not work

It does work though, and in fact, society is rife with it, it just doesn't work if you make laws against it, but society is full of informal rules and power dynamics that also control information. A publishing house refusing to publish a book that is competent because they disagree with the political content is also censorship, but it is a legal and socially acceptable form of it.

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>>21868735
>Extremely vague and probably based on your wildly inaccurate assumptions.

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>>21858957
>Kojak
Spotted the boomer

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>>21859108
Who's yer daddy ?

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>>21870791

>> No.21871589

>>21868703
its not just one book, i mean do you think we are fucking blind, do you think we are fucking stupid, do you think it isnt blatantly fucking obvious what you people are reallyabout? LGBT= cultural marxist nonce NPCs blindly following marching orders from soros, DNC, the pritzkers, teachers unions and the porno lobby!


Scenes from drag events hosted across the United States in bars, clubs, and outdoor festivals have been even more shocking and disturbing: in Miami, a man with enormous fake breasts and dollar bills stuffed into his G-string grabs the hand of a preschool-aged girl and struts her in front of the crowd; in Washington, D.C., a drag queen wearing leather and chains teaches a young child how to dance for cash tips; in Dallas, hulking male figures with makeup smeared across their faces strip down to undergarments, simulate a female orgasm, and perform lap dances on members of a roaring audience of adults and children. Newspaper headlines have also announced abuses: “Tucson High School Counselor Behind Teen Drag Show Arrested for Relationship with Minor”; “Houston Public Library Admits Registered Child Sex Offender Read to Kids in Drag Queen Storytime”; “Drag Queen Charged with 25 Counts of Felony Child Sexual Abuse Material Possession”; “Second ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ Reader in Houston Exposed as Convicted Child Sex Offender”; “Drag Queen Story Hour Activist Arrested for Child Porn, Still Living with His Adopted Kids.”

Advocates of Drag Queen Story Hour might reply that these are outlier cases and that many of the child-oriented events feature drag queens reading books and talking about gender, not engaging in sexualized performances. But the spirit of drag is predicated on the transgressive sexual element and the ideology of queer theory, which cannot be erased by switching the context and softening the language. The philosophical and political project of queer theory has always been to dethrone traditional heterosexual culture and elevate what Rubin called the “sexual caste” at the bottom of the hierarchy: the transsexual, the transvestite, the fetishist, the sadomasochist, the prostitute, the porn star, and the pedophile. Drag Queen Story Hour can attempt to sanitize the routines and run criminal background checks on its performers, but the subculture of queer theory will always attract men who want to follow the ideology to its conclusions.
>>21860143

>>21870801
transgenderism is a synthetic collectivist identity that depends on medicalization for its perpetuation, they cannot reproduce hence they must groom in order to keep their identity based political machine going. these are not happy liberated people but apparatchicks, so dependent on the system they feel like any wquestioning of its premises is a direct threat to their life and identity.

>> No.21871604

>>21859323
its not even about hedonism, its about perpetuating an identity based political machine and commodifying and medicalizing every aspect of human life under the guise of inclusivity and tolerance AKA slave morality

>> No.21871633

>>21861448
t. le biocollectivist chattel for the total state.

>> No.21871749

>>21859495
Homosexuality is almost exclusively a learned behavior linked to structures of power. It starts with village shamans using young boys for arcane sex magic, and ends with ritual boarding school abuse in Eton and Jeffry Epstein hanging out with British Royalty on his private island. All cases of historical homosexuality are the result of ritualized child abuse for the purpose of innoculating sociopathic tendencies in the ruling class. Egalitarian hunter gatherer tribes have no record of homosexuality as a thing, and this has been confirmed by multiple anthropologists.

Homoeroticism in the form of Platonic admiration between men is completely healthy and even virtuous however. Lesbianism is also fine within the context of a Haram, for obvious practical reasons.

Maybe you should stop being so bigoted and read a book.

>> No.21871779

>>21860221
>You don't want your kids subjected to the CoR Operation Depopulation 2050 agenda? You don't want them to be talked into castrating themselves by authority figures while any sense of pride or normalcy is beaten out of them?
>God you're so effin lame middle america. Get over yourself, not everything is a church bake sale you evil Christian suburbanite piece of shit. Just let me cut your children's nuts off already like stop worrying about it.

>> No.21871784

>>21871779
kek

>> No.21872443

I don't know if anyone has actually read the book, but regardless if you love it or hate it I would recommend reading it. It'll give you talking points and counter-points that might be useful in the future. Also I found out my local library has it in the "young adult literature" section lol

>> No.21872469

>>21872443
>entire identity is based around sexual fetishes
We don't need to read "educational" pornography to figure that out, faggot.

>> No.21872557

If anything, I think disgusting people should have their work displayed as publicly as possible. Let everyone know what they think, and what their agenda is. How is this a bad thing?

>> No.21872637

>>21872469
>We don't need to read "educational" pornography to figure that out, faggot.
Its a memoir, a pornographic memoir apparently and even then i only see the same couple of panels. If you ever have kids you could probably use it to find the early warning signs of such deviants. But if you don't want to read it that is fine too.
>faggot
God be with you, may he transmute your hate to love :D

>> No.21872652

>>21872637
>read this pornographic memoir so you can arm yourself against it
You don't seek wisdom from the devil, retard.

>> No.21872663

>>21872652
>You don't seek wisdom from the devil, retard.
Malus Malificarum: "know the sin to judge the sinner." I can expose myself to this because my faith in God is strong enough where I know it will not harm me.

>> No.21872682

>>21872663
>my pride protects me and will protect those I am encouraging to read pornographic propaganda
Sure.

>> No.21872717

>>21872682
>>my pride protects me
fair comment, we don't know each other, but that doesn't discount that I know I am protected because I believe Jesus died on the Cross for our sins.
>and will protect those I am encouraging to read pornographic propaganda.
A dogmatist huh? The enemy is literally giving you the cross to crusify them on and you refuse to take it. I don't get it. There is also a difference between witnessing sin and committing it. This was taught to us in Sodom and Gomorrah. Its not the witnessing that is the sin its the action after it or the feelings elicited by it. Also why buy it when I can check it out of the library and just refuse to return it till the last second?

>> No.21872730

For almost seventy years State and Federal government issued biased IQ tests to students at predominantly Africa American schools. Anyone who failed these tests was sterilized without their or their parents consent.

This is the legacy of the straight white patriarchy which has to be opposed. Bring your kids to POC Urban Drag Night TM sponsored by the Gates Foundation and the Planned Parenthood Federation so we can ensure that the past is never repeated.

:^)

>> No.21872752

>>21858613
Where's the genderqueer books for Hebrew school, eh?

>> No.21872751

>>21872730
>bring your kids to drag queen strip club: normal upstanding citizen
>sit in your room and disagree and read books: potential jail time for "hateful comments"
welcome to reality

>> No.21873142

>>21872717
>I was caught in my false assumption but will still maintain personal pride
Pride is the father of all sin, anon. You promoted the idea of reading pornographic propaganda while projecting the belief you are personally unaffected by it. The point is that they were giving this stuff to children.
>A dogmatist huh?
What did I say that was dogmatic? You're the retard who quoted the witches hammer.
>blah blah blah
The point is that the book is pornographic and was promoted to kids. When someone accuses you of wanting to ban books all you have to do is affirm the context (e.g. small children and/or public schools) and point to the books (e.g. a comic depicting graphic sex). Bonus if you can connect it to gender ideology and trick them into saying "her penis" (which always sounds ridiculous and laughable to normal people who haven't been brainwashed).

>> No.21873219

>>21873142
>brushes off scriptural truth for dogma
sad day, I'll pray for your soul, but thanks for letting me know that I don't have to take you seriously anymore.

>> No.21873344

>>nobody is born 100% straight or gay.
>>If you became gay reading a gay book, you were already gay.
Highest iq redditor

>> No.21873388

>>21859270
>every single great thinker in history across the world had a genetic illness and lacked treatment
Bros... it's over...

>> No.21873740

>>21873219
>if you're special like me you should read gay pornography and learn from it
>it's educational and I suggest you read it just like I did
>I checked out the book from the library--sure it justifies it being there but I kept it out for a really long time
>blah blah blah Sodom and Gomorrah...let's just forget about Lott's wife
>I can ignore whatever you say because I'm prideful
My best guess is that you're LARPing as a Christian in order to make them seem like retards. Justify endorsing this nonsense however you want--it will work out the same way for you in the end either way.

>> No.21874018

>>21873740
this is too long of a cope to read... Also if Gender Queer is pornography then most romance novels are hardcore pornography...

>> No.21874025

>>21873740
"An thus... The Christian dug his own hole. Not for wage and not for purpose, but in his blind devotion to the middle-men who are the only ones allowed to divine to him the "true meaning" of the Scripture."

>> No.21874028

>>21858613
i'm absolutely for banning books

>> No.21874057

>>21873740
I don't think your a Christian either if I'm honest, most true Christians aren't as malcontent as you. Go look up 1 Thessalonians 5:15, I could give you more but too lazy and I doubt you would listen anyway. That being said, no one can perfectly obey the Bible so I forgive you. With that said, do you think God is so weak that if one of his faithful is exposed to literature against his teachings that those followers will instantly succumb to it? I could understand if it was a comic with a straight couple but literally 7% of the world is gay. I don't think this book is going to do anything more than give anti-gay people ammunition for why being gay is sinful.

>> No.21874210

>>21874028
NOO PLEASE DONT BANN MEIN KAMPF!!!

>> No.21874221

>>21873388
>every great thinker is a sodomite degen just like me!
you aren't serious right now

>> No.21874338

>>21874018
Romance novels may be fairly categorized as pornographic (i.e. not suitable for children) and Gender Queer has pictures.
>>21874025
>tips fedora
>>21874057
You're a condescending retard who does damage to his religion by associating his half-baked ideas with it. Simple as.

>> No.21875036

So what exactly is wrong with the cartoon penis in the OP? Seems pretty innocuous to me. I think most of you are just virtue signaling to twitter and don't actually believe it's that bad.

>> No.21875388

>>21874338
>You're a condescending retard who does damage to his religion by associating his half-baked ideas with it. Simple as.
Fair opinion, but I disagree, the house of God includes all. I would remind you of Matthew 7:4. All I did was disagree with you and tell you my reasoning. The condescension is an invention in your own mind because of the malcontent you harbor in your soul. To truly receive Jesus and God's teachings I implore you to work on banishing that maliciousness inside of you, see Colossians 4:6 and Luke 6:27. God Bless.

>> No.21875436

Because it’s for faggots.

>> No.21875630

>>21860096
i-is that a twitter screencap from reddit?
AAAAAAA I'M DEBOONKINGGGGG

>> No.21875725

>>21871531
>Caesar Chaves: The non-violent fight for life
lol

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>>21859323
>t.

>> No.21877006

>>21858613
LGBTSJWTFNPC= state enforced program of demoralization and cultural genoicide directed at the majority population.

>> No.21878031

>>21858613
Some countries have the perfect law in regards to books and porn for 18+.

Basically
>if there is no picture and only text
anyone is allowed to read it, even if it describe the most disgusting torture methods and ways of dying
>the moment pictures exist, it's not a book anymore and just a comic/picture
this simply means that it isn't a book and the same as with games. If it has nudity, it's 18+ and the same as your average porn magazines. The text doesn't matter, only the harmfulness of those pictures for children, while nudity is always seen as harmful or at least only allowed for adults.

>> No.21878145

>>21878031
What if I make 2 dudes suck a cock but its an Ascii picture using only characters?

>> No.21878166

>>21874210
why would i ban mein kampf?

>> No.21879257

>>21874210
>>21878166>>
Why this thread is in /lit/ and after is so cringe.

>>21858925

>> No.21879293

>>21858613
Jesus Christ this thread is still up?

>> No.21879298

>his country unironically bans books
what backwater shithole do you live in

>> No.21879350

>>21879298
You'd think it would be the liberals burning books

What other pornographic books were there to cause this? Surely this is a widespread problem to spawn such a law.

>> No.21879731

>>21879298
>>21879350
probably based Uganda. I keep on hearing that its a third world nation state, but they keep on making really reasonable and sensible laws. If anything, they are way more normal than the west is now.