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Wordsworth > Shelley > Keats > Byron > Coleridge

>> No.21847534

>>21847528
Keats > Wordsworth > Coleridge > Byron ≥ Shelley

>> No.21847538

>>21847528
Keats >>> Shelly > Byron > Coleridge >>> Wordsworth

>> No.21847559

>>21847528
Wordsworth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keats > Coleridge >>> Shelley > Byron. Wordsworth is THE poet of the imagination, the self. He is the preeminent romantic lyric poet. Only Stevens is in the same league.

>> No.21847562

>>21847528
Keats > Byron > Coleridge > Shelley > Wordsworth

>> No.21847566

>>21847528
Milton >>>>>>> Blake >>> Keats > Byron > Robert Browning > Elizabeth Barrett Browning >>> Shelley >>>> Wordsworth > Coleridge

>> No.21847568

>Coleridge
>Shelley
>Keats
>Byron
>Wordsworth

>> No.21847569

>>21847559
Relax, Bloom.

>> No.21847570

>>21847559
All he writes about is flowers, rivers and other materialist demiurgic shit. He's not a poet of the imagination. That'd be Blake. He's a poet of the sensorial world.

>> No.21847577

>>21847566
>romantics
>milton

>> No.21847583

>>21847570
His greatest works transmute the world of sense into the remembered, the contemplated, and the exalted. It's true that he doesn't imagine a fantastic otherworld, like Blake, but he does imagine the past, or idealises it. Imagination is maybe not he most accurate word: remembrance would be better.

>> No.21847595

Why is Coleridge so underrated? I don't think people have really read him.

>> No.21847609

For me it’s Keats>Coleridge>Wordsworth>Byron>Shelley

Only ranking I’m iffy on is Shelley-Byron, because I’ve seen parts of Shelley and Byron which both far exceed their average quality of verse but I do not know which I would say has been able to maintain that higher level for longer, all in all I liked Sardanapalus and Cain so I’ll put Byron above Shelley.

>> No.21847613

>>21847528
>no Blake

>> No.21847625

>>21847609
I like your ranking. On the Shelley-Byron thing, I think I prefer Byron just because 'Darkness' is a personal favorite and 'Cain' was also pretty interesting.

>> No.21847647

BLAKE > Coleridge > Wordsworth > Keats > Shelley > Byron
All are amazing nonetheless

>> No.21847654

>>21847613
>>21847647
Blake doesn't belong.

>> No.21847656

>>21847583
>>21847570
I think Walter pater’s essay on Wordsworth where he explains that Wordsworth’s unique ability is producing an experience of the genius loci, of a living breathing spirit of a natural environment and in that moment he’s at his best, is accurate. Here’s some stanzas from a personal favorite for this genius loci effect.

“And oft a night-fire mounting to the clouds
Reveals the desert and with dismal red
Clothes the black bodies of encircling crowds.
It is the sacrificial altar fed
With living men. How deep it groans—the dead
Thrilled in their yawning tombs their helms uprear;
The sword that slept beneath the warriour's head
Thunders in fiery air: red arms appear
Uplifted thro' the gloom and shake the rattling spear.”

“ Hurtle the rattling clouds together piled
By fiercer gales, and soon the storm must break.
He stood the only creature in the wild
On whom the elements their rage could wreak,
Save that the bustard of those limits bleak,
Shy tenant, seeing there a mortal wight
At that dread hour, outsent a mournful shriek
And half upon the ground, with strange affright.
Forced hard against the wind a thick unwieldy flight.”

“ Hard is the life when naked and unhouzed
And wasted by the long day's fruitless pains,
The hungry savage, 'mid deep forests, rouzed
By storms, lies down at night on unknown plains
And lifts his head in fear, while famished trains
Of boars along the crashing forests prowl,
And heard in darkness, as the rushing rains
Put out his watch-fire, bears contending growl
And round his fenceless bed gaunt wolves in armies howl.”

Do read pater’s essay on Wordsworth.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/4037/4037-h/4037-h.htm#wordsworth

>> No.21847667

>>21847647
>>21847613
>>21847654

If Blake is in the competition, then Blake is easily the best of them.

>> No.21847683

>>21847528
Bad list - where are the poets of colour?

>> No.21847687

>>21847683
You mean niggers? They were slaves back then.

>> No.21847694

Keats > Byron, don't care for the rest. Coleridge and Shelley have about four good poems each. Wordsworth is a crushing bore. Blake is too.

>> No.21847696

>Shakespeare>>>>literally who's?

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>>21847683
>>21847687
You rang?

>> No.21847700

>>21847694
Do numbers even matter? Homer has two good poems. That hack!

>> No.21847703

Only one of them became an adjective: byronic.

>> No.21847705

>>21847683
deported en masse back to their homelands where they belong so that white people can get back to god-tier civilisation without a fucking anchor around their necks

>> No.21847709

>>21847703
I use Keatsian, Shelleylic, Wordsworthian and Coleridgere all the time, but I guess maybe you just aren't as erudite as I am.

>> No.21847711

>>21847703
Fair point. Also Joyce thought he was the greatest, as did many of the modernists.

>> No.21847726

>>21847683
Byron is mixed in all his portraits - his chin, nose and hair are obviously subsaharan, though his skintone is slightly lighter than most mixed people.

>> No.21847731

>>21847683
Romanticism was never a genre for blacks. Blacks lived through an apocalypse for hundreds of years, during which time there was no past or present to romanticize.
>>21847697
James Monroe Whitfield wasn't a romantic, but he was certainly one of the greatest American poets.

>> No.21847734

>>21847726
nice b8

>> No.21847735

>>21847703
Wordsworthian is definitely used though.

>>21847711
Meh even so, there’s plenty of romantic poets both of popularity, lack of popularity, and were once popular that are all competitive and even superior to many of these poets. Better to trust your own taste on these than the popular sentiments, even if it’s the sentiment of an artist you respect.

>> No.21847744

>>21847528
Coleridge>Coleridge>Coleridge>Coleridge>Byron

>> No.21847745

can't we have a thread without Americans talking about their pets (niggers)? fuck hell, you're obsessed with this creatures.

>> No.21847751

>>21847745
blacks are the dominant cultural force in america, like it or not

>> No.21847754

>>21847656
Holy smokes this is amazing.

>> No.21847756

>>21847711
>there’s plenty of romantic poets both of popularity, lack of popularity, and were once popular that are all competitive and even superior to many of these poets
Who are some lesser known Romantics that you'd recommend?

>> No.21847760 [DELETED] 

They are all good
But are all mogged by MG lewis

>> No.21847769

>>21847751
>blacks are the dominant cultural force in america
in their minds maybe. they're only good at popular music of the commercial type. they can't make movies, they can't write books, they can't paint, they can't write/draw comics.

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>mogs them all
They are good but are no match for "monk" lewis

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21847772

There's this underrated romantic poet named John Clare. Has anyone here read him?

>> No.21847773

>Wordsworth
>writes worthy words
Who the fuck names these characters?

>> No.21847776

>>21847773
The Demiurge

>> No.21847807

>>21847756
Matthew Arnold directly continues the aesthetics of Wordsworth and is very excellent, I’ve never seen lit talk about Robert Southey, William Cullen Bryant is still in the romantic school, here’s his most famous verse.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/50465/thanatopsis
A poet I would consider up there with Coleridge and Keats who gets basically no credit goes by the name “Edward pollock” here’s his only book of poetry that I know of.

https://archive.org/details/poems00poll/mode/1up

Read any of the long poems or just check out a few of the middle length.


Hell, Wagner is even a phenomenal poet, I really enjoy reading the libretto of this while listening to it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NrjnelUsbZI

But hell, something I do for fun is pick out a random English town and put its name+ poet into search, and you can often find a a number of obscure poets, some only average but some are actually pretty good, for example by looking into the city of eyam I found the poet Richard Furness who is actually pretty decent.

>> No.21847830

>>21847807
What are some poems you'd recommend that are steeped in medievalism, gothic tone, and epic scale? Stuff like Darkness by Byron or Childe Roland to the Dark Came or Paradise Lost?

>> No.21847867

>>21847830
Gonna throw you for a curve ball and throw actual medieval works at you.

Check out tundale
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visio_Tnugdali
Troilus and Criseyde by Chaucer
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troilus_and_Criseyde

And this specific translation of sir Gawain, here’s the first part

https://www.openlettersmonthlyarchive.com/olm/poetry-green-first-fit

>> No.21847869

>>21847867
Hey pal, just wanted to say that I appreciate your posts on this godforsaken board and you're one of my favorite posters :)

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Something very sexless about Wordsworth. No humour, no bawdiness, his women are never flesh and blood.
Compared to an actual folky chad poet like Burns its striking how fake Wordsworth's rustic mannerisms are, how timid and bourgeois he is compared with the real thing.

>> No.21847893

>>21847869
Thanks! It’s fun to sperg about these topics and maybe get people on to literature they’d normally not get into and maybe be able to, later, debate it with them.

>> No.21847936

>>21847882
>t. slut

>> No.21847949

>>21847566
>>21847577
Still the greatest

>> No.21847950

>>21847882
You've hit upon one of the reasons why I don't personally care for Wordsworth as much. Give me Chaucer, Wycherley, Donne, all great English poets who wrote one hundred years or more before Wordsworth, and each one of them are outrageous writers of sex. A poet doesn't need to fill his work up with crude humor, but sex is one of the most visceral (and silliest) human experiences, and it must be treated that way by a great poet.
>>21847893
Frater, I'm curious what you might think on this topic.

>> No.21847952 [DELETED] 

>>21847949
Only in English.

>> No.21847976

>>21847867
I was actually specifically looking for works that are NOT medieval. I wanted romantic poets writing gothic poetry steeped in medievalism, a la The Castle of Otranto.

>> No.21848008

>>21847976
read the thread >>21847771

>> No.21848017

>>21847950
Oh I’m on the extreme far opposite side of taste here, I believe the western depictions of sex and sexuality as a whole are either crude, ugly or a cheap method of hopping off into superior contents using the woman as a kind of display case. (With the exception of Rosicrucian and alchemists of all sorts, of course.) I will even go so far as to Blame favorites like Shakespeare and Ovid of this sort of cheapness, the only bawdy writers I can really point to are a deeper strain of dark which are focused on a much more refined treatment of the worldly, the best of these being Rabelais, but even this I consider categorically lower in ideal.

Ultimately I think the Hindu treatment of women is better, the women having breasts so large their backs break, beautiful as the moon, and fundamentally are simply riches, the kind of descriptions and treatments you’d give to a beautiful gemstone, piles of Gold and all manner of opulence. To be clear I will explicitly say my bias is against poetry focused on any sort of romance, sexuality or woman focus, the only time I enjoy a woman in writing is when she is or is effectively a goddess, such as Swinburne’s poems to proserpine, Petrarch’s latter poems with his Laura (best being Poem 359 of his canzoniere+his final poem to Mary in repentance.) and of course Dante with Beatrice.

The further the woman is from the flesh and blood woman, the further the marriage is from the actual sexual-erotic, the more I find it superior. Something like Shakespeare’s Phoenix and the turtle would be the best treatment of lovers.

>> No.21848152

>>21848017
Get help

>> No.21848302

>>21847976
You’re gonna want the strain of romanticism that bursts out of Poe, Poe himself of course being important, but look at Baudelaire, look at mallarme, look at the related Swinburne who once created a forgery medieval ballad and fooled his academic friends with it, a ton of the Parnassian-symbolist-decadent group (which are really all the offspring of French romanticism.) and in this regard French romanticism itself is a good place to look, gautier more so in his prose is very good, absolutely look into charles nodier, José-Maria de Heredia’s poems when they’re not going full muh Greeks, and I’m gonna stress this since people never give Melville credit for it, in Melville’s piazza tales read the story called “the bell-tower”

>>21848152
Don’t worry it’s just a difference in taste and a healthy dose of misogyny, I’m married so it’s nothing like the woman obsessive type of woman hatred, I just find it a very cheap subject which is usually, to me, not that enjoyable.

>> No.21848322

>>21848302
sex magic isn't real, you know. It's just effeminacy.

>> No.21848349

I don't like any of them
I hate Wordsworth, Shelley and Coleridge
They do literally nothing for me
I've read a few of Keats poems and they were ok
Never read Byron
I just like John Milton and William Blake + Baudelaire
I don't know what's wrong with me, I am a pleb

>> No.21848389

>>21848322
>sex magic isn't real,

The practice of it is definitely real, whether we speak of the historical borborites, the modern aghori, the oto, the fraternity of Saturn or any other such group, it certainly is practiced.

>It's just effeminacy

Specifically the Crowley variant is very faggy with little justification, Kenneth grant’s arguments against this and removal of the gay in his typhonian material is p logical, but historically most sexual rituals like hieros gamos were straight and often simulated rape. Doesn’t seem very effeminate!

In any case, I just don’t find the sexually fixated verse to be that high quality of subject matter.

>> No.21848395

>>21848389
Effeminacy is more than faggotry.

>> No.21848435

where does Lovecraft fit in?

>> No.21848440

>>21847769
Krazy Kat is the greatest comic strip of all time and it was written by a half-black man; Ralph Ellison wrote the greatest contemporary American novel before Pynchon but after Faulkner; and Steve McQueen is one of the finest living film directors, you fucking oaf.

>> No.21848445

>>21848435
'On the Creation of Niggers' has more power than anything Wordsworth wrote.

>> No.21848447

>>21848445
Why did he feel the need to all caps niggers in the last verse?

>> No.21848455

>>21848440
Oh, and Machado de Assis is considered among the earliest and most inventive modernists of world literature.

>> No.21848466

>>21848440
>Krazy Kat is the greatest comic strip of all time
Calvin & Hobbes is better.
> Ralph Ellison wrote the greatest contemporary American novel before Pynchon but after Faulkner;
Faulkner's last book when alive: 1962. Pynchon's first book: 1963. There's no Ellison book in between those.
> Steve McQueen is one of the finest living film directors
A decade ago he was. He became a shitty director.

But in any case, this doesn't mean niggers dominate American culture. McQueen is not even American.

>> No.21848467

>>21848455
He was not black but mixed and he was not American. He has nothing to do with nigger culture in America.

>> No.21848472

>>21848435
Little Tiger, burning bright
With a subtle Blakeish light,
Tell what visions have their home
In those eyes of flame and chrome!
Children vex thee—thoughtless, gay—
Holding when thou wouldst away:
What dark lore is that which thou,
Spitting, mixest with thy meow?


They never even came close

>> No.21848473

Invisible Man is the greatest book published between Faulkner's major period and Pynchon's. And is your beef with American "Niggers" or just "Niggers"?

>> No.21848477

>>21848302
>I’m married
Does your wife read? If so, what?

>> No.21848500

>>21848477
Nah I’m a gypsy, in my culture most people, male and female, are illiterate, I taught her how to read and write (as in, write down words properly on a piece of paper.) myself due to the economic advantages of it, even still her reading skills are rough. As in, would take like 10 seconds to read your post. So no she’s not reading anything for pleasure, one cute thing she did was upon teaching her, she wrote a little short story in dedication to me and would write little “poems” which were really just her saying she loved me in various cute terms.

Eh, my culture is one of anti-intellectualism, on one hand I dislike that, on one hand I see a lot of benefits of it culturally and DO like it.

>> No.21848522

>>21848500
How did you learn to read? Did you teach yourself?

>> No.21848554

>>21848522
My grandfather knew how to read and read some of the Bible to me which got me hooked to the Bible, eventually due to the Law! (Since we live in New York, I’ll spare the details of why) my parents were forced to get me some basic education, learned to read at around 12 and since then just kept reading a ton.

>> No.21848636

>>21848445
it certainly has more relevance to current year

>> No.21848947

>>21848017
I knew you would likely be on the opposite side of the spectrum, which is precisely why I wanted your input.

What do you mean by your reference to Rosicrucians and alchemists? Admittedly my only acquaintance with Rosicrucianism is through Yeats, so I am unfamiliar.

Your mention of Hindu treatment of women is interesting, but I feel that a description of a woman with breasts so large her back breaks is not only crude, but ultimately hostile. I do not see how treating women to the same descriptions that you would give to gems and gold is better, it only seems more false, and ignorant of the humanism of women. Women are no more everlasting, pure, or infallible than men are, and shouldn't be treated that way in literature.

You say that you want women who are treated effectively as goddesses, but I would argue that the ancient gods and goddesses of Greece and Rome stand out for their wanton sexuality.

>> No.21849258

bump

>> No.21849576

>What do you mean by your reference to Rosicrucians and alchemists?

In the alchemical lit and poetry, the marriage and sexual unity is symbolic of the marriage of the soul and God taking on from the Song of Solomon and the general bride bridegroom symbolism of the Bible and corresponding symbols in various religious and occult traditions, in alchemy the female is made a white queen and the male given clothing of red, the meaning is that the male is red on account of the menstrual fluid of the female, whereas the queen is white on account of semen, this cross color symbolism is used because the union of both creates a child/life, this is used because the union of the soul with God likewise produces the new creation that is the perfected soul which the Bible and alchemical lit speaks of, which is a mirror image of the Godman, the messiah.

>Your mention of Hindu treatment of women is interesting, but I feel that a description of a woman with breasts so large her back breaks is not only crude, but ultimately hostile. I do not see how treating women to the same descriptions that you would give to gems and gold is better,

It is better because it does not over amplify the value of the female in the conception, but rather this is simply another sensual experience which can be used in the harmony of images the poet has to work with, it is not given unnecessary central character nor does the woman displace higher themes, such as wealth, violence, God, skill or what have you.


>You say that you want women who are treated effectively as goddesses,

By treated, I mean their character and aspect is that of the goddess with all humanity stripped, I likewise am in general opposed to humanity in characters, Without going overly complex into my aesthetic model, I believe that one can treat characters in one of three ways, highly detailed, lack of characteristic/fully utilitarian, and a synthesis of these two, as pure symbols/archetypes, this simultaneously makes the character internally empty while giving them all of the depth of their symbol and symbolic essence, such is the farmer in aesop, such is the great king in aesop, such is the depth of character in any truly mythic character.

Cont

>> No.21849613

>>21849576
>>21848947
You may think this isn’t doable in the current period, but I would argue that if we look at someone like Goethe, this is precisely the power of his characters, they are simply this without the name of their essence given, and to give an extremely low brow example, this is the root of the success of the anime waifuism, each of the characters generic set of tropes and common clothing and other such accessories works to continuously build a network of associations which each artwork feeds building connections that carry over art work to art work, it is for this reason I believe that anime has the highest amount of people obsessed with its characters and literally in love with them, the high amount of interchangeability causing an aggregation.

>but I would argue that the ancient gods and goddesses of Greece and Rome stand out for their wanton sexuality.

I do not mean to say that the women should be respected like goddesses, but written with the voice and character of such, as personification, much more vast things as aesthetic tools, and must point out that the range of goddesses I’m referring to are definitely not treated all sexually, deities like Pratyangira or Tanit are definitely not treated in this way.

But to repeat, my concern is the highest and most refined amounts of kino by my standards/ideals, and bluntly I do not see a common mundane humanity in personality, or tiny personal human emotions of tenderness as being a part of this.

While I hate the love poem usually, (with some exceptions, like the stuff by meng jiao, for that is not about human passions, but rather the beauty of marriage and a long lasting one.) I am soon to have published a book of poetry, and for fun I thought I should write ONE love poem to have in it, do give this poem a read since I think by the elements used and the elements not, you’d understand most completely my position concerning the love poem conceptually.

Cont

>> No.21849617

>>21849613

A single love poem.

none other, but another, and uncovered, utter love,
fallen star of wanting, sparks in darkened darkling umbre,
all-comely, Grace of bodies carnate, flustered by the touch,
incarnadine and mine, her flesh to me, Persephone,
voice of the fertile earth, fed flames crack, lunar melody,
in many words of golden tongues, the ecstasy of love,
in ev’ry verse the poets sung, essentially of one.

none other, but another, and uncovered, utter love,
flame to rush a rill of sudden chill, till the heart’s icy,
whose blush is dawn, the flush in wann, upon a subtle touch,
I’m with Diana dike astra-psyche Aphrodite,
limbs of sea foam drift of ink flows drifting back the tiding,
the fingers tipped with onyx, undulating waves of bliss,
to linger with this goddess, suffocating face to kiss.


none other, but another, and uncovered, utter love,
in grey-gardens gone rain-rotted the days often were kind,
in solemn age where blossoms fade and columns break at touch,
there the wings fluttered, my face flustered, as by butterflies,
all ancient songs, all sacred halls, all painted colors shined,
as argent-vermay pictures, phoneix-flamed with newborn gilt,
as are in wordplay whispered, secret phrase with two forms twilt.

none other, but another, and uncovered, utter love,
colly blackness, kali blackness, haunting vastness, eemuh,
touch of night, a touch of night, to touch the night, but a touch,
eemuh, queen of shiva, queen of sheva, diva eemuh,
thrice: O philia, O fillia, Ophelia, Selena,
my Home, my gist, my soul, my gist, my whole in gis,
idol, timeless, eye-oe, Iris, primal image.

none other, but another, and uncovered, utter love,
two frosty blue poppies, rouge-tawny hues sparsely, “too hardly move softly”, new balmy youth bonny, two calmly touch,
noon-jolly moon-follied, soon naughty nude bodies, booze-bawdy strewn fondly, too “lofty” too “haughty”, fuse strongly blooms holly, two start redo-copy, new hearts meet through offspring, whose parts resume promptly, renewed Godly.

none other, but another, and uncovered, utter love,
Roseate sun, the only one in sight, my opiut,
holiest light, intoxicunt of mind, hold me close, touch,
come, touch, O eva, Loleeta, domina, Sophia,
sweet creature my completer you unstress my whole meter,
i am this, soulmate with thy essence, prosaic if not
iambic, trochaic my semblanced mosaicked in all.


none other, but another, and uncovered, utter love,
thy beauty is as bosky groved earth in its cloud cimar,
thy beauty is beyond ageless and eons age, in you all moments touch,
all art, all knowledge, in all you are saraswati who plays the sitar,
singer of the song of nature, maker of the wind-dart,
bringer of the dawn and acher, named earth’s Love and Ishtar.

>> No.21849662

What are some good editions for these poets?
I want a good introduction to their poetry which will help me appreciate it and then basic annotations

>> No.21849962

>>21847566
Why is Coleridge so low?

>> No.21849975

>>21849662
can't go wrong with Oxford or Penguin.

>> No.21849979

>>21849975
I have a penguin edition of Keats and it contains basically nothing
I'm thinking about getting oxford editions though because I've found oxford generally has more notes and information
Do you have any?

>> No.21850002

>>21849979
I have Keats in Everyman's Library and the annotations are good enough for me. Their Yeats is also good (the annotations in this one are bigger than the poetry section). I don't think I have oxford's editions of any of the these guys in particular but the editions I have of other authors are well-annotated generally. Anything in particular that you're looking for?

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>>21849979
>I have a penguin edition of Keats and it contains basically nothing
is it pic rel?

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>>21849662
I will always shill the Delphi editions, delphi usually gives you the complete works, usually some relevant art and usually relevant essays. At minimum they’ll at least have a biography, now as to the question of an addition that will hold your hand as you’re reading these poets, Personally I’ve found more value in like, reading their own letters and prose works where they talk about their aesthetics, and going to Jstor and finding relevant articles either on the poet in general or essays on particular poems.

For example with delphi see pic related for Wordsworth

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>>21850012
Make no mistake, these works aren’t annotated, but they’re free-$2 depending on your method of getting them online, and contain everything.

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>>21850015

>> No.21850308

>>21847528
Hölderlin > Novalis > F. Schlegel > Jean Paul > Tieck

>> No.21850866

>>21850308
I liked jean Paul much more than novalis Personally, perhaps you speak German but I’ll throw my shot in the dark, what’s the best translation of Holderlin? I keep meaning to deep dive him but always get sucked into studying another, on account of not finding satisfactory translation.

>> No.21850918

>>21847772
I've read a handful. I really like 'The Mores', a tragic eulogy for wild public lands, ended by the oppressive Enclosure Act and similar laws.

If I recall correctly he never sold well during his life and died insane and in poverty.

>> No.21851265

Bump

>> No.21851291

>>21847528
Wordsworth>Coleridge>Byron>Shelley>Keats

>>21847756
Robert Southey

>>21847830
City of the Dreadful Night
Ring and the Book

>> No.21851306

>>21850866
Frater, can you rank some of your favorite Chinese poets along with the translations you recommend? Thanks.

>> No.21851329

>>21851291
Have you read Sterling’s dream of Fear? I think you might enjoy it.

Unseen the ghostly hand that led,
I walked where all was darkness, save
What light the moon, half-wasted, gave
Above a city of the dead

So lone it was, so grey, I deemed
That death itself was scarce so old;
The moonlight fell forlorn and cold
On tombs where Time lay dead, it seemed.

Within its gates I heard the sound
Of winds in cypress-caverns caught
Of huddling trees that moaned, and sought
To whisper what their roots had found.

Within its gates my soul was led,
Down nettle-choked and haunted way-
An atom of the Dark's dismay,
In deaf immensities of dread.

In broken crypts where ghouls had slept
I saw how muttering devils sate
(Knowing the final grasp of Fate)
And told grim auguries, and wept.

The night was mad with nameless fear.
The Powers of Darkness feared the gloom.
From sentried sky to anxious tomb
Ran messages I bent to hear.

Mine ears were sealed, nor heard I save
The secret known to Endor's witch-
Whispered to lemur and to lich
From lips made wiser by the grave.

O'er tarns where spectral vapors flowed
Antares shook with bloody light,
And guarded on its haughty fight
The offended fire of Alphard glowed.

The menace of infinity
Constrained the cavern of the skies.
I felt the gaze of solemn eyes
In hostile gulfs intent to see;

Gage of whose imminent designs,
Satanic Armageddon broke,
Where monstrous vans in blackness spoke
The flight of Evil on the Signs-

Abysmal occultation cast
By kingdoms of the sunken noon,
And shadow-shafts that smote the moon
At altars of the cloven Vast!

To worlds that faltered on their way
Python's intolerable hiss
Told from the jaws of his abyss
Malign amazement and dismay.

By god or demon undestroyed,
In malediction sate the stars,
Concentered from Titanic wars
To cry the judgments of the Void.

Assigned, implacable, supreme,
The heralds of the Curse came down:
I felt the eternal bastions' frown;
I saw colossal cerements gleam.

Convoking trumpets shook the gloom.
Their incommunicable word
Announced o'er Time's foundations, stirred,
All vasts and covenants of doom.

I saw the light of dreadful fanes,
I heard enormous valves resound,
For aeons sealed in crypts profound,
And clangor of ascending chains.

>> No.21851385

>>21851306
Favorite Chinese poet without question is Li-hi, grab the frodsham translation, it’s online for free somewhere. I would also recommend Meng jiao, the translation for him I’d recommend is this guy whose work I prefer to anything else I’ve seen https://tangshi.tuxfamily.org/mengjiao/

I would also recommend the prose and verse of han-yu, I would recommend the chuci collection especially the li-sao, any collection of the 300 tang poems, but one work I would really shill as an introduction is this (which you can also find on libgen.)

https://www.amazon.com/Classical-Chinese-Poetry-David-Hinton/dp/0374531900

And here’s a poem by li-hi.
Magic strings
“The witch pours out a libation of wine,
And clouds cover the sky,
In a jade brazier charcoal burns—
The incense booms. 1
Gods of the sea and mountain demons
Flock to her seat,
Crackle of burning paper money2
As a whirlwind moans.
She plays a love-wood lute3 adorned
With golden, dancing simurghs,
Knitting her brows, she plucks a note
For each word uttered.
She calls down stars and summons demons
To savour meat and drink,
When mountain-goblins come to eat,
Men are breathless and hushed.
Colours of sunset low in a coign
Of Zhong-nan range,4
Long lingers the Spirit. Something or Nothing?
We cannot tell.5
The Spirit’s anger, the Spirit’s delight
Shows in her face,
Ten thousand riders escort him back
To the emerald hills.



And the same poem continued in this
Farewell song of magic strings
“The Maiden of Witch Mountain now departs
Behind a screen of clouds,1
In spring a breeze blows flowers of pine
Down from the mountain-side.
Alone beneath her emerald canopy she returns
Through fragrant paths,2
White horses and flower-decked poles
Dazzle before her.
On the River of Shu blows a limpid wind,
Water like gauze,3
Who will float on a fallen orchid
To come to see her?4
A cassia tree on a southern hill
Is dying for her,5
Her robes of cloud are slightly stained
By its rouged petals.6

>> No.21851413

>>21849962
Never read him, simply.

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>>21847703
Only one of them became a publisher

>> No.21851522

>>21851329
Yes, I like it too, though there are some questionable rhyme choices throughout, like save/gave being more noticeable. It's one of his more musical/fluid poems, as he has a bad habit of writing stiff verse and getting bogged down in esotericism in this prosody blank verse style that disrupts the flow. I'll never call him ugly or bad, but he can be boring at his worst. I'm curious to read his two late narrative poems/plays and more of him in general, however. I just read this ode from him that was a bit too stiff for my liking as well.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Yosemite/a8sEAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover

>> No.21851590

>>21851436
This cover never fails to make me laugh

>> No.21851689

>>21851413
You should at least read this

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43991/kubla-khan

>> No.21851695

Eliot mogs them all

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>Gage of whose imminent designs,
>Satanic Armageddon broke,
>Where monstrous vans in blackness spoke
>The flight of Evil on the Signs-

>> No.21852060

>>21847769
>they cant make movies
Spike lee, Steve McQueen, David Gordon Green, Marlon Riggs, Charles Burnett, Khalik Allah.
>they can't write books
Too obvious to name
>they can't paint
Henry Ossawa Tanner, Aaron Douglas, Charles Alston,
>they can't write/draw comics
Oh nooo they can't draw the sunday funnies or one-panel new yorker comics, the world is at a loss.

Another lit user not at all immersed in art. Many such cases.

>> No.21852253

>>21852060
The fact that blacks don't write and draw comics may actually convince me that they are more respectable as artists.

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>How do you want your self portrait that people will associate with you for all time?
>Juck my shit up man. Fuck it up
>Say no more

>> No.21852363

>>21847595
yeah people just equate coleridge with kubla khan and rime of the ancient mariner so they assume all of his work is young adult mystical yarns. no one thinks of religious musings, biographia literaria, frost at midnight etc
in fact i'd put coleridge second or third in this ranking based on his contributions to lyrical ballads with wordsworth. it's hard to put him above shelley but a lot of shelley's work seems incomplete, like it needed another revision a few years down the line

>> No.21852493

>>21852328
he looks fine

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>>21851689
>The person from Porlock was an unwelcome visitor to Samuel Taylor Coleridge during his composition of the poem Kubla Khan in 1797. Coleridge claimed to have perceived the entire course of the poem in a dream (possibly an opium-induced haze), but was interrupted by this visitor from Porlock while in the process of writing it. Kubla Khan, only 54 lines long, was never completed.

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>>21852328
>u wot?

>> No.21853075

How did this low-effort thread get so many replies?