/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21846103]

>NOOOOO NAZIS MISUNDERSTOOD NIETZSCHE HE MEANT ALL OF THIS METAPHORICALLY!
why is leftist academia like this?

[Anonymous No.21846125]

>>21846103
They're right, you know.

[Anonymous No.21846126]

>>21846103
>misrepresenting as to accommodate a ""refutation"" and re-ideologize
heh, nothing personnel, rightoid

[Anonymous No.21846139]

>>21846103
He didn't mean it metaphorically and Nazis still misunderstood him.

[Anonymous No.21846170]

>>21846103
because they haven't read the genealogy of morals
it is not metaphorical

[Anonymous No.21846214]

>>21846103
>rereread nietzsche
>dang, maybe they were right about this incel faggot being a proto-fascist nihilist
some of this shit he says is literally /pol/-tier. yes he had some great ideas, but a lot of his ideas are fascistic

[Anonymous No.21846239]

>billions must die

[Anonymous No.21846244]

>>21846103
>why is leftist academia like this?
Intellectual rigour ? Critical thinking ?

[Anonymous No.21846253]

>>21846239
All life is sacred.

[Anonymous No.21846262]

>>21846103
Nietzsche’s work is blatantly anti-semitic. Reading the sniveling Kaufman try to rescue his precious idol’s thought from the clutches of what it actually is would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic.

[Anonymous No.21846265]

>>21846214
name some of the great ideas he said

[Anonymous No.21846270]

>>21846253
If you wanna make an omelet you gotta break a billion eggs

[Anonymous No.21846300]

>>21846214
Literally all of his greatest ideas are fascist and none of them are nihilistic, marxoid bugman

[Anonymous No.21846301]

>>21846103
Yes, they did, because the beer-drinking Germans are the subhumans, and Jews those genii who’ll be masters of the earth

[Anonymous No.21846302]

final words of "will to power"
>This world is the Will to Power—and nothing else! And even ye yourselves are this will to power—and nothing beside
really neetzsch?

[Anonymous No.21846306]

>>21846301
>The symbol of this struggle, inscribed in letters across all human history, is "Rome against Judea, Judea against Rome." . . .Rome felt the Jew to be something like anti-nature itself, its antipodal monstrosity as it were: in Rome the Jew stood "convicted of hatred for the whole human race"; and rightly, provided one has a right to link the salvation and future of the human race with the unconditional dominance of aristocratic values, Roman values.
>How, on the other hand, did the Jews feel about Rome? A thousand signs tell us; but it suffices to recall the Apocalypse of John, the most wanton of all literary outbursts that vengefulness has on its conscience. For the Romans were the strong and noble, and nobody stronger and nobler has yet existed on earth or even been dreamed of: every remnant of them, every inscription gives delight. . . The Jews, on the contrary, were the priestly nation of resentment par-excellence
Uhhhh kikebros...how do we explain this one??

[Anonymous No.21846325]

>>21846253

You should name your images instead of using numbers or you'll embarrass yourself posting chad instead of a downs syndrome again.

[Anonymous No.21846345]

The correct interpretation of Nietzsche can only be arrived at after engaging in a series of battles to the death with all other interpretations.

[Anonymous No.21846385]

>>21846306
tactical antisemitism to undermine christianity.
just like suggested jewishness of wagner's father.

meanwhile he attacked every significant author or populist movement that resisted jewish power: dühring, the various emerging populist and anti-liberal movements in switzerland and austria, especially after the financial crashes of 1870s. there were already several little proto-mussolinis and proto-hitlers making moves, getting greeted with "heil führer". nietzsche bonded with burckhardt not only over his interpretation of ancient greece and renaissance but because of his disdain of swiss populists which he channeled in those lectures/books. in austria the nationalists chose wagner, liszt and bruckner as their revolutionary "soundtrack". and nietzsche sided with jewish liberal establishment and "their" soundtrack: brahms... until brahms ignored a letter and nietzsche became his enemy too.

[Anonymous No.21846389]

>>21846244
This. Genocide is incongruent with the rest of his work.
Neetzsche was a dancer, not a murderer.
He also abhorred politics, so the idea that both "the left" or "the right" can claim him is absurd.

[Anonymous No.21846392]

>>21846385
>wtf i love liszt now!
>checks apple music
>liszt's number one track is "roger rabbit's car toon spin"?
>checks apple music classical
>number one song is "liebesträume"
ok

[Anonymous No.21846397]

>>21846392
check out "les preludes", especially the fanfare parts

[Anonymous No.21846399]

Because they're pussy faggots. Nietzsche was a Nazi, and Lukacs agrees.

[Anonymous No.21846410]

>>21846399
>marxist thinks everyone's a nazi
wow, some things really never change

[Anonymous No.21846415]

>>21846389
National socialism was the overcoming of politics and return to primacy of biology and nature.
Nietzsche would be one of staunchest supporters of Hitler and eugenics (maybe he would think they didnt go far enough). Everything else is either cope, illiteracy or deliberate misrepresentation of his work

[Anonymous No.21846416]

>>21846410
Broken sneed is chuck twice. I found the analysis and writing really good, much better than anything in modern academia.

[Anonymous No.21846427]

>>21846415
>With your love and with your creating go into your solitude, my brother; only much later will justice limp after you. With my tears, go into your solitude, my brother. I love him who seeks to create beyond himself, and thus perishes.
>What's that, Neetchud? You want us to kill the gays?

[Anonymous No.21846466]

>>21846103
>why is leftist academia like this?
I've cited 40 books/articles on Nietzsche and not a single one has made the claim you're attributing to them. Fucktards who think academia is all politics really have no clue.

[Anonymous No.21846476]

>>21846415
What work is this?

[Anonymous No.21846481]

>>21846262
>Nietzsche’s work is blatantly anti-semitic
Lol. You can't be reasoned out of this belief.

[Anonymous No.21846595]

>>21846214
>proto-fascist
He was in effect.
>nihilist
Disagree. His goal afaik was to spread an ideology to counteract the nihilism growing out of Christianities waning.
The solution being "far right" doesn't mean it isn't valid.

[Anonymous No.21846601]

>>21846103
Am I the only one who thinks an artist is what Nietzsche thinks everyone should strive to be?

[Anonymous No.21846612]

>>21846601
Define artist. Imo, Nietzsche suggests everyone should maximize their own capabilites, unrelated if it's in artistic pursuits or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.21846665]

>>21846265
>>21846300
>literally all of his greatest ideas are fascist
>aka: literally the only thing I'm able to understand from Nietzsche are fascist ideas
ftfy. The Idea that negation is just a deformed image of positivity is ---at least to me--- the biggest of Nietzsche's ideas. The thing is, you need to read in order to get why it's so relevant, and go beyond US-shit-fermented-media brainrot.
Also, fascism is a mode of nihilism; its very nucleous is reactive.

[Anonymous No.21846684]

>>21846345
I laughed

[Anonymous No.21846692]

>>21846595
my problem with his project is this very basic and modernist substitution of the self for god. to quote deleuze, "self, god, there is no difference." to any thinking person that's completely evident, i only quote deleuze because i am literally anonymous. i really fucking appreciate benjamin's take on nietzsche in capitalism as religion
https://cominsitu.wordpress.com/2018/06/08/capitalism-as-religion-benjamin-1921/
we're still there now

[Anonymous No.21846693]

>>21846415
That pic is pure manlet cope

[Anonymous No.21846694]

>>21846693
someone quote the nietzsche passage where he wishes bigger, stronger men to come along and humiliate little men, ironically, with the purpose of making such men affirm life

[Anonymous No.21846699]

>>21846139
this. although it's more like the nazis never tried to understand him in the first place.

[Anonymous No.21846704]

>>21846692
Fag

[Anonymous No.21846705]

>>21846253
Including the life which exterminates millions of other lives

[Anonymous No.21846710]

>>21846103
How do you people lie to yourselves that these millions don't have to die? Assuming biology as a field is not a complete scam.
Is the entire planet only concerned with making up pretty lies? Nobody cares about reality even a tiny bit?

[Anonymous No.21846724]

>>21846710
>Nobody cares about reality even a tiny bit?
Reality has been phased out for some weird, socialistic ideality where everyone is equally happy and valuable. It's one of the markers of the modern, or at least postmodern, age. Everyone wants everything to be good without sacrificing anything, it's a kind of severe entitlement.

[Anonymous No.21846733]

>>21846710
>>21846724
You’re both delusional

[Anonymous No.21846739]

>>21846733
Interesting response, please tell me more about your well reasoned conclusions.

[Anonymous No.21846745]

>>21846733
Elaborate. Millions is of course wrong. At least billions will die horribly, largely as a result of the actions of brainwashed retard like you. I see no way to avoid it, you'll always pretend there's no problem until it actually kills you.

[Anonymous No.21846763]

>>21846710
He was incorrect though. It is actually necesary for billions to die, not mere millions.
Imagine higher life existing and sharing living space on the planet with billions of niggers, pajeets, chinks...and the rest of biological waste.
Impossible, the sheer number of those superflous will level all life down to existence akin to bacteria, even below Letzter Mensch

[Anonymous No.21846764]

Nazis were very middle-class, they in fact resented anything too extraordinarily eccentric or unique, everything was about conformity with middle/class norms and killing anyone who wasn’t a normie or burning his works

[Anonymous No.21846790]

>>21846704
>white christian homophobia
kys hypocritical gay pedo homophobe fascist

[Anonymous No.21846799]

>>21846790
Take the cock out of your mouth while you’re trying to speak

[Anonymous No.21846800]

>>21846103
>the annihilation of millions of the bungled and botched
>t. Chudzsche

[Anonymous No.21846807]

>>21846764
>they resented everything eccentric and unique, thats why they started the largest war in history, tried to apply science to human breeding and formed Ahnenerbe to search for aryan origins in polar circle and tibet

[Anonymous No.21846820]

>>21846799
stop projecting your homosexuality onto me you sub 90-IQ white christian piece of working class neonazi faggot shit. how is nietzsche any different than you? you're both fucking gay. we need a white christian genocide, honestly. exterminate all christians, catholics, and hindus, voila, world peace

[Anonymous No.21846835]

>>21846820
The cock is still in your mouth you can’t enunciate correctly with it in there, can you take it out for 5 seconds while you talk or are you that fixated?

[Anonymous No.21846845]

>>21846807
You don’t seem to know that eugenics and Darwinism and the idea of sterilizing the unfit were extremely in vogue then among middle-class progressive. The term “Aryan” in racial categories was also very popular and in vogue in scientism thought

[Anonymous No.21846847]

>>21846835
i have never had a cock in my mouth in my life and i never will, whereas you deserve a gun in yours, you shit-eating, cocksucking piece of worthless, subhuman neonazi shit. kill yourself

[Anonymous No.21846864]

>>21846835
wait, do you mean i cannot signify? because you're too stupid to understand what i said in the post you REACTED to? and you're PSYCHOLOGICALLY CASTRATED, A PSYCHOTIC NEOFASCIST INCAPABLE OF PHALLOGENTRIC SIGNIFICATION AT ALL WHATSOEVER?! YOU'RE SO MENTALLY DEFORMED AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY CASTRATED THAT YOU HAVE A PSYCHOTIC RELATION TO LANGUAGE?! IS THAT IT, YOU PRE-OP NEONAZI TRANNY?! FUCKING KILL YOURSELF BITCH

[Anonymous No.21846869]

>>21846847
You’re running out of things to say and repeating yourself like you’re repeatedly going down on that cock

[Anonymous No.21846877]

>>21846835
or is it that i quoted a, OH NO, A COMMUNIST?!?!? AND WHAT DID I SAY AT THE END OF MY POST, YOU FUCKING MENTALLY RETARDED PIECE OF GENETICACLLY, POSSIBLY EVEN BIOLOGICALLY INFERIOR FUCKING WORTHLESS, SUBHUMAN SHIT?!
I SAID WE'RE STILL THERE NOW. AND FUCKING SHIT-EATING, SUBHUMAN EVIL BASTARD FASCIST FAGGOT FUCKS WITH WHORES FOR MOTHERS LIKE YOU, YOU INBRED SACK OF WORTHLESS SUBHUMAN GARBAGE, YOU'RE A TESTAMENT TO THAT. KILL YOURSELF. YOUR LIFE HAS NO VALUE AND YOU SHOULD NOT FUCKING EXIST, IN FACT THE ENTIRE WORLD WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF YOU AND EVERYONE LIKE YOU DID NOT EXIST. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO LIVE. YOU ARE A CANCER.

[Anonymous No.21846881]

>>21846864
Projection dear cock lover

[Anonymous No.21846882]

>>21846869
please shoot yourself in the head. it's not my fault that you're such a mentally retarded cocksucking faggot that you don't understand anything i say. go let your stepdad fuck you, i know he's old now but he can take some viagra you little fucking bitch

[Anonymous No.21846885]

>>21846881
i find dicks hideously ugly, if we're being honest here. keep projecting your projection though, you fascist faggot

[Anonymous No.21846894]

>>21846882
>>21846885

[Anonymous No.21846900]

>>21846894
it's not my fault you're gay, anon. keep projecting though, and remember that suicide is always an option, and also that you're not a human being and you don't deserve to live. rot in hell

[Anonymous No.21846916]

>>21846900
All I head is guac guac guac

[Anonymous No.21846929]

>>21846103
>>21846244
>interminable addition of 00s, population # go brrrr
Malthus without the moral claptrap early 20th century eugenics in the Anglosphere engaged in.

>>21846306
>its antipodal monstrosity as it were
>“no merit in vanquishing a people forsaken by their own God.”
Reduction of their warrior caste to nil, then even their priests in exile, ultimately left with a bunch of lawyer types to pick up the diaspora pieces. It's a typology mess capstoned by missing the Messiah boat with the Nazarene, and they know it.
>uhm acktually we're the master race, human cattle goyim
This is what vapor ware Messianic deferral gets you The God of This World

>>21846385
>'kick what's falling'
In HatH there's a passage on the worst possible outcome being a transnational moneyed 'elite' caste optimized solely around acquiring more financial power as an end in itself with no other organizing principle for civilization and higher culture beside Mammon worship. The Rev 3:9 "fake jews" of post-Christian European churchianity having to confront this albatross fulfilling its long march revenge against 'Rome', 'Amalek' ect. might disabuse them of that to a more pagan and re-Hellenized end.

>>21846415
No, he would correctly identify it as a mass democratic movement, and bemoan the permanent martial law mode required to face Communism (and lack of alternatives) for its intrinsic anti-culture qualities. The world remembers Athenians, and has only passing gratitude for the feats at Thermopylae.

>>21846745
>charity for biomasses of impaired agency animals in bipedal form
Developing world population explosion rode on the back of Cold War payoffs in the form of cheap agricultural exports. That's coming to a close, and will cynically result in aborted modernization thanks to US no longer carrying the burden of globalization & security required for those industrial inputs. Asteroids, solar flares -- sustaining bare life as an end-in-itself (as if neolithic primitives counted for anything in the eye of history) is actively obstructing mankind hedging its bets among the stars, and every delay invites irreversible moral hazard on an apocalyptic scale.

[Anonymous No.21846938]

So this is the power of /pol/niggers...

[Anonymous No.21846946]

The interesting question is why supposed "humanists" or whatever don't care about the inevitable horrific results of accumulating this kind of biological debt or mutational load. They don't appear to care about humans at all.

[Anonymous No.21846967]

>>21846946
Because they aren’t delusional little psychos

[Anonymous No.21846979]

>>21846385
>until brahms ignored a letter and nietzsche became his enemy too.
kek Nietzche was such a petty faggot

[Anonymous No.21846984]

>>21846967
What do you base this on? How do you know? If you cared you would be able to discuss it instead of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling. Biology is a scam?

[Anonymous No.21846990]

>>21846984
A lot of wisdom/experience on people who claim to want to save the world

[Anonymous No.21846994]

>>21846967
We're in the same boat. Some people are saying weather predicts icebergs ahead and if we hit one a large number of passengers will die.
Your response is yelling insults at those people based on the premise that they want people dead. You're an insane retard with nothing to say.
>>21846990
You're completely incapable of thinking about any subject. You don't understand how to begin.

[Anonymous No.21846999]

>>21846994
I think that might be projecting

[Anonymous No.21847012]

>>21846385
>jewish power
Lol, lmao.
Also, there is no such thing as a tradcath who is a good Christian. In fact, they deliberately misinterpret the bible

[Anonymous No.21847026]

>>21846999
Based on what you mindless retard? If you're capable of putting together thoughts why don't you?

[Anonymous No.21847028]

>>21846946
same way someone who's drowning will hang on to you and drag you down to the abyss, misery loves company, etc.... they'll rather reduce humanity to billions of slouched frail glass wearing shitskinned insect-life forms than allow something to shine above the darkness

[Anonymous No.21847032]

>>21846994
Are the icebergs groups of people you personally dislike?

[Anonymous No.21847043]

>>21847032
This just reveals how you think. It has nothing to do with anything I said. Pretending any criticism of your active destruction of everything good is about some petty like/dislike shit is is another way you avoid thinking. Avoiding thinking at all costs appears to be the only goal of you retards no matter how many die.

[Anonymous No.21847058]

>>21846946
Nietzsche was just taking Darwinism to its' natural conclusion. I agree, subhumans should be exterminated so those with better genetics have more resources to breed. This process should then be repeated every few hundred years until all that remains of humanity is Ubermensch.

The only people who seethe at this idea is genetically inferior subhumans who know they're among the genetic waste that needs to be discarded.

[Anonymous No.21847152]

>>21847043
Define icebergs.

[Anonymous No.21847193]

>>21846103
>> trusting a low-tier translation
>> unaware his Nazi sister liberally edited his works
>> ignorant that Nietzsche's main aim was almost always to get strong reactions from his readers

Do you even philosophy, anon?

[Anonymous No.21847230]

>>21847026
Mindless retard says what?

[Anonymous No.21847259]

Read Losurdo’s Aristocratic Rebel. Marxists are not like then radlib leftists.

[Anonymous No.21847270]

>>21846845
So what is your actually criticism of them? That most natsocs came from economically middle class/bourgeoisie and this is automatically bad trough marxoid lens?
What was the actual alternative? Christian socialism of the proles or LARPing of at the time degenerated prussian nobility?

[Anonymous No.21847273]

When he says that slavery is a necessary institution for the flourishing of all great societies, spent his entire life idolizing slave societies, and even went as far as to lament the fall of the American Confederacy and viciously mock all contemporary egalitarian revolutions, that was all just a joke bro.

[Anonymous No.21847289]

>>21847273
Yeah he was just joking when he celebrated all the atrocities done to blacks in congo by the Belgium king haha

[Anonymous No.21847296]

>>21847193
>why yes, I believe that Kaufmann is a lying jew, that Nietzsche meant every word he has ever written 100% without irony or sarcasm and that Will to Power was released exactly how he imagined it to be

[Anonymous No.21847308]

>>21847193
>his le ebil sister
debunked by losurdo

[Anonymous No.21847316]

>>21846103
No one truly understands Nietzsche and everyone has their own interpretation of him. That is kind of how he wants it. Be yourself

[Anonymous No.21847327]

>>21846710
There's a difference between letting nature take its course and murder.
The failure to distinguish between the two is where I find issue with a lot of the rhetoric of people who twist these ideas - that and the fact that most who speak of the 'inferiority of subhumans' do so not from a place of lament and a wish for them to be better, but from a place of excited middling insecurity that wishes to see itself as superior; using the blatantly inferior as a punching bag.
There's a massive fucking difference.

[Anonymous No.21847336]

>>21847316
>That is kind of how he wants it. Be yourself
Not really

[Anonymous No.21847358]

>>21847327

[Anonymous No.21847363]

>>21846929
>No, he would correctly identify it as a mass democratic movement, and bemoan the permanent martial law mode required to face Communism (and lack of alternatives) for its intrinsic anti-culture qualities. The world remembers Athenians, and has only passing gratitude for the feats at Thermopylae
On the surface this may be true about National Socialism, but most certainly not Hitlerism, or Hitler's true vision of Nazi ideology. Hitler used Fascism and National Socialism to try to mold the world not unlike the world Nietzsche envisions.

[Anonymous No.21847405]

>>21847296
>Jew rejects Jesus and goes back to Judaism
>didn't believe in rabbinical judaism either but needed the ethnic connection
>most ridiculous exegetical methods
>abused the meme of the sister's fault
>dubious physiognomy (that's relevant in a Nietzsche thread)
>literally named "merchant"
How do people take him seriously?

[Anonymous No.21847409]

>>21847358
I don't remember reading this quote in any of his books and I can't find the source on google. Best I got was "The Portable Nietzsche pg. 197" but when I checked it wasn't there.

[Anonymous No.21847445]

>>21847327
There isn’t, and he explicitly says numerous times that brutality and the domination and consumption of the weak is PART of nature. Trying to get the superior to stay their hand to “let nature take its course” is a feint inspired by slave morality and its insistence on fairness and the value of human life. You even coupled it with an inversion attempt in insinuating that the strong are insecure lmao. That’s slave moralism par excellence

[Anonymous No.21847455]

>>21847445
>“I have found strength where one does not look for it: in simple, mild, and pleasant people, without the least desire to rule—and, conversely, the desire to rule has often appeared to me a sign of inward weakness: they fear their own slave soul and shroud it in a royal cloak (in the end, they still become the slaves of their followers, their fame, etc.) The powerful natures dominate, it is a necessity, they need not lift one finger. Even if, during their lifetime, they bury themselves in a garden house!”

[Anonymous No.21847506]

>>21847455
>Here we must beware of superficiality and get to the bottom of the matter, resisting all sentimental weakness: life itself is essentially appropriation, injury, overpowering of what is alien and weaker; suppression, hardness, imposition of one’s own forms…it will strive to grow, spread, seize, become predominant—not from any morality or immorality but because it is living and life simply is will to power… “Exploitation”…belongs to the essence of what lives, as a basic organic function; it is a consequence of the will to power, which is after all the will to life

[Anonymous No.21847535]

>>21847409
It's in Zarathustra, don't know the exact page/chapter from memory

[Anonymous No.21847581]

>>21847506
You're confusing the natural and inevitable domination of a will with a petty and destructive kind of domination with intent.
In all of his books when he speaks of power he speaks of power over oneself first and foremost rather than power over others.
>it is a consequence of the will to power
>consequence
Power over others - like the gravitational pull of a large object (will) - is an inevitable consequence, not a goal in itself. When it is intentional it is the shrouding of a weak internal slave soul in a royal cloak of external power.
He teaches creation, not destruction. Your creation should naturally destroy weakness as a consequence of itself. If both your means and end are to simply "destroy the weak" you aren't creating, and are thus attempting to compensate for a creative impotence with destruction.

[Anonymous No.21847608]

>>21846244
reading this would cause me physical pain

[Anonymous No.21847624]

Enough about suffering and jews for a moment. I have a different gripe with Nietzsche right now, perhaps he was wrong about the death of god. I see god fags everywhere, they yap about god in public spaces loudly, and online too. Fanaticism seems to be as big as ever. Dorks in front of me are going on about the Old Testament as I type this.

[Anonymous No.21847639]

>>21847058
He’s right though. World Wars propelled humanity forward greatly, it helped us put a great foothold in the free world on top of many other advancements. Suffering is necessary. The problem is humanities end game results in getting most likely destroyed. Weird. Life is so odd.

[Anonymous No.21847669]

>>21846845
Aryan at the time was the anthropological term to describe the Indo-Europeans. You’re just making things up now, idiot

[Anonymous No.21847722]

>>21847535
Fair enough, I found it.
Interesting passage right after, though:
>I love the brave: but it is not enough to be a swordsman,—one must also know WHEREON to use swordsmanship!
>And often is it greater bravery to keep quiet and pass by, that THEREBY one may reserve oneself for a worthier foe!
>Ye shall only have foes to be hated; but not foes to be despised: ye must be proud of your foes. Thus have I already taught.
>For the worthier foe, O my brethren, shall ye reserve yourselves: therefore must ye pass by many a one,—
Like with what I said here >>21847581
"destroying weakness" is not much of a goal in itself. It's more a case of creating something that acts as its own destroyer of weakness. If destruction is the aim, and not a consequence, you have lost sight of what's important: creation, your will to power.
When it's simply about dabbing on the weak it's like those dysgenic looking neo-nazi untermenschen who have nothing to cling to other than hating niggers. They hate niggers (and likely themselves) but they don't appear to have any love in their hearts for their own people. It stems from a place of weakness, rather than strength.
>What is evil? —Whatever springs from weakness.

[Anonymous No.21847804]

>>21847624
His remark about death of god isnt about atheism worldwide but specific to european civilization, christian god and the void that will be created.
Obviously people are desperately trying to fill that void with everything from LARPing to science to politics to cults. But christianity itself is pretty much done and finished in europe, church attendence among young people is basically 0% and there are almost no new priests either.

[Anonymous No.21848306]

So why exactly do people claim Nazis misunderstood him? The only incongruency I notice between Neech and NatSoc is that he was against unconditional duties and encouraged people to benefit themselves rather than devote themselves to society at their own expense. Perhaps this suffices to say that the Nazis misapproprated his ideas but I don't think any other political doctrine embodies the will to power like the Nazis did.

[Anonymous No.21848518]

>>21846916
oh, so now you hate guacamole, too? the fuck is wrong with you, sister? body not adjusting to the HRT adequately?

[Anonymous No.21848545]

>>21846239
Is that Haaland?

[Anonymous No.21848557]

Why are people so afraid to admit that Nietzsche didn't really have any actual solutions for any of the problems he proposed before he went bonkers. And even more afraid to admit that fascism is basically the indirect, but logical conclusion of the fragments of ideology he did leave behind?

Nietzsche was pretty objectively a proto-fascist and fedora redditors seethe at this because they don't want to feel like nazis for enjoying their epic atheism man.

[Anonymous No.21848563]

>"and one more thing: Total Nigger Death"
wtf did Nietzsche actually mean by this?

[Anonymous No.21848569]

>>21846239
to save trillions

[Anonymous No.21848570]

>>21846103
Nietzsche was a loser who couldn't cope with how weak, pathetic and irrelevant he was, so he made a bunch of retarded texts trying and failing to make people into utter retards who supported thibgs like slavery, war, eugenics, etc. He would be ecstatic to see the destruction of the world wars, for indeed it was his dream to punish the world like this. Nietzsche is responsible for much of today's violence. And he is intentionally so.

[Anonymous No.21848574]

>>21848557
>Nietzsche was pretty objectively a proto-fascist
this

[Anonymous No.21848676]

>>21846103
Leftists, despite all of their claims of being anti-hierarchy will lap up the works of a gigachud like Nietzsche if academicians tell them that he was a leftist and "enigmatic" writer with no political sensibilities.
>hated anti-semites because he thought they were acting like untermensch
>hated nationalism because he thought it was just a bunch of subhumans ganging up
This is more reactionary than any fascist, it's straight up an aristocratic mindset.

[Anonymous No.21848748]

>>21847316
>That is kind of how he wants it. Be yourself
What? Nietzsche isn't a self help author.

[Anonymous No.21848770]

>>21848676
>>hated anti-semites because he thought they were acting like untermensch
This is how I see anti-semites as well. They despise jews because they see themselves as their slaves. Quintessential slave morality.

[Anonymous No.21849096]

Childhood is thinking the Nazis followed Nietzsche's beliefs
Teenagehood is thinking Nietzsche was not like the Nazis
Adulthood is realizing not only was Nietzsche not like the Nazis, he was far worse, and that anyone who really followed Nietzsche's ideas would make the Nazis look like moderates

[Anonymous No.21849109]

>>21847405
Love Kaufmann’s prose but his translation of Goethe totally disillusioned me of his fidelity

[Anonymous No.21849207]

>>21848770
There is nothing slavish about wanting to destroy your enemies. Though it is true that slave morality pollutes the redpill community, its not nearly as bad as normies who get triggered by anything taboo.

[Anonymous No.21850051]

would Nietzsche like the state of Israel?

[Anonymous No.21850055]

>>21850051
I don't think Nietzsche would like any state.

[Anonymous No.21850059]

>>21846214
I don't get why so many leftists are obsessed with rehabilitating Nietzsche and turning him into some progressive icon. He was a shameless, blatant reactionary in virtually every possible sense and yet they insist on seeing something in his work that isn't fucking there.

[Anonymous No.21850440]

>>21850051
He would approve that some jews temporarily overcame their priestly inclination and returned to warrior spirit of macabees

[Anonymous No.21850500]

>>21846864
>>21846877
>>21846847
I don't believe these are anything but shitposts, it would be too funny if a closeted leftie fag actually got this upset over being told to suck a dick

[Anonymous No.21850515]

>>21847043
It's the way they think. They have a scapegoat, something they blame, so your thoughts must follow the same pattern. They will always have something to blame, otherwise they'd have to stop being victims.
Acceptance is the only way forward and the left or whatever you want to call it(not a mutt so those classifications don't really matter as much) thoroughly mutilated the very concept of acceptance and turned it into inclusion, but I'm getting off topic.
Generally meta-thinking seems to be pretty hard for the left, however the right fails at it a lot as well due to being way too reactionary(and ironically, thus being equally as emotion-driven as the other side).

[Anonymous No.21850521]

>>21846306
Well they’re not wrong

[Anonymous No.21850526]

>>21846399
Wow a Polish Jew thinks a German was a Nazi… did Nazi that coming!

[Anonymous No.21850528]

>>21846847
>I have never had a cock in my mouth
Prove it

[Anonymous No.21850536]

>>21846103
>righoid slave morality gigafaggot:
>b-b-b-b-ut.. uhmm.. if you read very closely here, you can see Nietzsche actually agreed with me.. so like.. I'm right it says so right here in Nietzsche! Respect the text! Respect meeeee!!!

>gigachad leftist
>didn't read, don't care

Lefties are always more Nietzschean and iconoclastic than rightoids who think that hypostasizing ANOTHER guy into a metaphysical strong daddy to soothe their neurotic little faggot minds will work.

[Anonymous No.21850548]

>>21846946
What biological debt? Should we do a pol pot and exterminate people with glasses to ensure proper eyesight for all future humans, on the off-chance that we might reach a point where we don't know about optics and lenses anymore? What the fuck are you talking about? Literally what the fuck are you talking about? I get the distinct sense that there are profound retardations waiting to be unfolded in your mind, please share.

[Anonymous No.21850949]

>>21846103
>nietzche was an anti-semite
dude obviously not do any research.

[Anonymous No.21850981]

>>21846481
NTA but read The Antichrist as opposed to the work of his middle period, before he fell under the influence of Paul Ree. There was a book written about this, by Princeton UP, called 'Nietzsche's Jewish Problem'. The book was reviewed by Andrew Joyce, which provides a summary

[Anonymous No.21851002]

>>21846389
>Neetzsche was a dancer
Yeah, dancing on untermensch graves, kek

[Anonymous No.21851043]

>>21850536
Modern Leftism is literally rebranded Christian morality kek

[Anonymous No.21851056]

>>21846877
Sneed

[Anonymous No.21851189]

>>21850548
Not him but technological revolutions in agriculture, medicine, energy production, etc... have allowed survival and reproduction of people who in the past would either perish or at least not breed.
Fast forward 10 generations of exponential growth and we are stuck with literal billions of deformed bipedal biowaste which is destroying everything higher or beautiful it comes into contact with

[Anonymous No.21851553]

>>21846214
>hyper individualist
>fascist
lewl
You've never read Nietzsche, which is why you post no examples and just talk empty shit.

[Anonymous No.21851908]

>>21846103
Probably because there are multiple passages in which Nietzsche praises Jews. You should try reading him for yourself, and The Will to Power isn't Nietzsche by the way.

[Anonymous No.21851934]

>>21847722
Wow the translator completely botched a wordplay in the first sentence of your quote but I guess it's untranslatable.

[Anonymous No.21851958]

How does Nietzsche grapple with the Christian Saint who could stand up against all earthly powers? The Monk Crusaders who defeated Islam? The Christian composer Bach who dedicated all of his energy to a higher power? The Christian explorers who founded new civilizations in America?

The greatest disproof of Nietzsche is his life and his ignorance. He did not even have the courage to talk to a woman, and he has no explanation for how the devout Christian is able to control his flesh and dedicate all energy to the Supreme Ideal of God

[Anonymous No.21852000]

Can anyone provide a source for the Neechee quote that goes something along the lines of ''Truth is only found in the shadow of your sword''?

[Anonymous No.21852036]

>>21846389
nietzsche is squarely on the right, not in the fascist sense, but in the aristocratic sense

[Anonymous No.21852439]

>>21846864
>>21846877
So much sadistic racism is bottled up in a lefty

[Anonymous No.21852442]

If you are a leftist in this thread I hope you are hit by a truck

[Anonymous No.21852492]

>>21850536
What is leftism you dumb fucking donkey? It’s ideological worship of oppression, meekness, inferiority, despondency, compassion. That is what they obsess over. None of them have ever aspired to overcome Christian morality

[Anonymous No.21852614]

>>21846244
Good post. On a similar note: when did /lit/ get overrun by /pol/fags? I wasn’t a frequent poster in the past, but I don’t recall this board being like this.

[Anonymous No.21852621]

>>21851958
>The Christian explorers who founded new civilizations in America?
I don’t know, how do Christians grapple with the idea that millions of people were left in the dark concerning the gospel?

[Anonymous No.21853189]

>>21846764
>>21846845
Right, eugenics and war are boring, we have to cut off our dicks and worship black people instead

[Anonymous No.21853230]

>>21852614
It’s been steadily increasing since Reddit shut down the infamous sub. Last ~4 years have been bad but /lit/ fell off a cliff a year ago

[Anonymous No.21853233]

>>21846103
He wanted to annhiliate billions of retards and christians, not jews.

[Anonymous No.21853256]

>>21847270
Marxists unironically believe that industrial workers are secretly magical beings that when awakened will take humanity to higher levels of consciousness that nobody living today can concieve of. The magic ritual to awaken them is to organize the economy in a different way. This is scientific materialism and NOT a religion btw

[Anonymous No.21853335]

>>21853256
>industrial workers
They changed it to BIPOC, LGBBQ-T, Wamen and the disabled.
Get with the times, sweaty.

[Anonymous No.21854955]

>>21852614
>I wasn’t a frequent poster in the past
Fucking tourists, I swear to God.

[Anonymous No.21855544]

>>21853256
Or maybe they just believe that capitalism is a system of oppression and they want to free the working class from subjugation? I swear, every take on leftism on this board is so braindead it baffles me.

This is like saying abolitionists wanted to suck black dick. No, they just thought slavery was immoral.

[Anonymous No.21855579]

>>21846385
I don't know if you've noticed this but populists are just bigoted egalitarians. It is obvious why Nietzsche would find that distasteful—it is a resumption of Christianity. You are welcome to disagree with an author but at least try to understand the consistency of his position before you minimize everything to direction-brained politickig

[Anonymous No.21855614]

>That time when Nietzsche called Germans weak willed fuckbois afraid of cripples
Kek, OP you interpret everything metaphorically, and the sooner you get over yourself the sooner you'll compose an actual life for yourself instead of this dreck

[Anonymous No.21855796]

>>21846265
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche#Racist_views
>"Kill every fucking nigger on earth"

[Anonymous No.21856008]

>>21846764
This is starting to get at the point, and a good one, too. Direction-brain social-media-brain-rot responses like these >>21853189 only too neatly give a perfect example of what Nietzsche was also reacting against, and why he (apparently paradoxically, to those with crude misreadings of him) lobbed broadsides at German nationalists and crude antisemites as much as he did at Judaism and Christianity themselves, the ideals of liberalism, multiculturalism, democracy, egalitarianism, anarchism, feminism, etc., in such a way that makes it clear he would not really fit into either today’s “right” nor “left” very easily.

This still doesn’t mean a liberal commentator’s reading like Kaufman’s of Nietzsche as a proto-liberal makes much sense, since it doesn’t (although you can indeed REWORK/lift some of Nietzsche’s ideas for such an end, as that’s how philosophical inspiration, it doesn’t mean you agree with them on everything, you can still be influenced by their ideas and impressed by some of their insights).

To put it in simple terms any smoothbrain who’s had their synapses terminally rewired by chronic-social-media-use (CSMU) can understand, Nietzsche had a healthy level of contempt both for “the woke PC social justice warriors” (or more accurately, the equivalents of them in his day), as well as figures analogous today to the worst types of /pol/-brain, as well as the back-then analogues of bourgeois NPC evangelical Christian GOP-voting God-fearing plebs, and the like, because none of them are very and properly “aristocratic” (or, if they are or were, it is or was an inverted aristocracy characterized by ressentiment, whether by leftists for the strong, flourishing, successful and deemed “oppressor” outgroups, likewise by /pol/-brain for Jews, GOP-cücks for the Goddamned liberals, etc.).

Basically, he would probably still laugh at and/or despise failures and losers who are still failures and losers even if they have the correctly edgy, masculinist, Darwinist views implanted in them by /pol/ (although probably not as much as he’d despise progressives).

However, what Nietzsche likely failed to fully understand, is that by reducing everything to power (the will-to-power, vitality, or what-you-will), he inevitably had to fall into corruption by nihilism, even while claiming to be fighting against it and trying to replace it with a life-affirming “transvaluation of values” that would positively inspire future thinkers, artists, even statesmen.

“There are no facts, only interpretations,” as one of his early sayings goes. So who’s to be the Cosmic Judge or existential-moral umpire over the Nazis reappropriating him for their own ends, and figures like Foucault for a radical leftist end? After all, they’re all just following their own will-to-power, whether to create a totalitarian NPC-Nazi society, or an invertedly totalitarian leftist society of ressentiment for “the oppressors.”

[Anonymous No.21856069]

why do nietzsche posts always bring out the faggiest of fags on this board?
there are anons ITT unironically using "homophobe" "fascist" etc as insults.
also sucking up to faggy shitlib academics? eesh

[Anonymous No.21856412]

>>21846415
Lol okay; Nietzsche's example of a strong will in BGE 39:

>A thing could be TRUE, although it were in the highest degree injurious and dangerous; indeed, the fundamental constitution of existence might be such that one succumbed by a full knowledge of it--so that the strength of a mind might be measured by the amount of "truth" it could endure--or to speak more plainly, by the extent to which it REQUIRED truth attenuated, veiled, sweetened, damped, and falsified.

Sure doesn't like the guy waiting on Steiner's counterattack.