/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21844733]

>still hasn't been refuted

[Anonymous No.21844740]

>>21844733
Yes, yes he has.

[Anonymous No.21844747]

pbuh

[Anonymous No.21844751]

>>21844740
Evola was the only one who came close, partially refuting him on initiatic regularity.

[Anonymous No.21844810]

>>21844733
Nothing is ever refuted in philosophy it just loses popularity. And Guenon was never popular. He's not even a has-been he is a never-was

[Anonymous No.21844828]

Well duh. Its only the same handful of guenononon simps who post in these threads. Everyone else ignores them.
One day a couple of you will move on with your lives and these threads will fade into obscurity. Same thing happened with Land threads.

[Anonymous No.21844832]

Which book has him describing traditions and then providing his own explanations for them and then providing links to other traditions?
Does he try to approach the original perennial source through this or is it more of an encyclopaedic effort for him?

[Anonymous No.21844877]

>>21844832
> Which book has him describing traditions and then providing his own explanations for them and then providing links to other traditions?
Primarily, ‘Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta’, and ‘The Symbolism of the Cross’, and to a lesser extent all his books on metaphysical symbolism.

>Does he try to approach the original perennial source through this
Yes, partially through citing various primary source texts and thinkers

[Anonymous No.21844895]

>>21844877
Guenon claimed Hindus don't believe in reincarnation. His connection to primary sources is purely imaginary or to use his terminology "metaphysical"

[Anonymous No.21844910]

>>21844733
Kant refuted him, didn't he?

[Anonymous No.21844934]

>>21844733
astaghfirullah, actual islam refutes him.

[Anonymous No.21844941]

>>21844733
Being Muslim while teaching perennialism self-refuting. Those people kill others and each other over the essence of what they believe.

[Anonymous No.21844962]

>>21844810
Quality is ontologically superior to quantity you benchod sala.

[Anonymous No.21844969]

>>21844934
>exotericism is superior to esotericism
Do not concern yourself with such things, shudra.

[Anonymous No.21844988]

>>21844941
Sounds bigoted. Not all muslims are savages who kill people for no reason.

[Anonymous No.21844994]

>>21844988
Correct, some are gentlemen who kill others over religion.

[Anonymous No.21845000]

>>21844733
If I recall correctly, he was retroactively refuted.

[Anonymous No.21845026]

>>21844969
>blatantly going against the basic tenets of islam is "esoteric"

Guenon commits shirk.

[Anonymous No.21845029]

>>21844895
>Guenon claimed Hindus don't believe in reincarnation.
He distinguished reincarnation from transmigration and he admits that transmigration is accepted by multiple Hindu schools, this is like the dumbest thing to get filtered by in his writings.

>His connection to primary sources is purely imaginary or to use his terminology "metaphysical"
So when he cites exact verses from the Upanishads, Tao Te Ching, Zhuangzi and other texts, that’s somehow imaginary? Sounds like cope

[Anonymous No.21845048]

>>21844733
Correct.
>>21844810
Not being "popular" is an auspicious sign.

[Anonymous No.21845053]

>>21844895
There is no reference to reincarnation in the Vedic texts

[Anonymous No.21845071]

>>21845000
kek, the ol retroactive refutation! I believe it was attributed to Parmenides.

[Anonymous No.21845114]

Guenon was refuted retroactively, by Parmenides, the inventor of the retroactive refutation, which he specifically invented to retroactively refute Rene Guenon.

[Anonymous No.21845120]

>>21845114
Damn! Was this Guenon guy really refuted??? And retroactively refuted at that!? Holy moly! This Parmenides must be a powerful guy to refute someone in a retroactive fashion...

[Anonymous No.21845127]

>>21845120
Retroactive refutation is a double negative. He is saying Parmenides proactively confirmed Guenon.

[sage No.21845131]

there's nothing to refute. He's indologically irrelevant. Philosophically less than irrelevant. I can't imagine a single domain in which Guenon has any significance, save for understanding a brief stint in the folklore of /lit/

[Anonymous No.21845133]

>>21844994
Nope those are still savages.

[Anonymous No.21845136]

>>21845131
>ur irrelevant!!
Stupid brown teenager detected, go watch marvel

[Anonymous No.21845144]

>>21845026
Nice strawman, shows how weak ur "argument" is

[Anonymous No.21845152]

>>21845136
Quiet hylic. Marvel has a deep symbolic connection to the primordial truth. If Guenon(pbuh) were alive he would be writing exegeses on phase 5

[Anonymous No.21845153]

He has though. The Church fathers refuted monism and dualism centuries ago.

[Anonymous No.21845160]

>>21845153
lies

[Anonymous No.21845164]

>>21845127
No. These Wikipedia pages say Parmenides invented the retroactive refutation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objection_(argument)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterargument
You are wrong. Guenon was refuted retroactively.

[Anonymous No.21845167]

>>21845152
Go watch spiderman.

[Anonymous No.21845169]

>>21845167
Indra's net. You will never be able to understand dependent origination

[Anonymous No.21845175]

>>21845153
No they didn't, they just suppressed it since they couldn't elevate themselves to higher states of being. The Jesuits in particular are evil and actively seek to stifle any opportunity for man to experience spirituality. While at the same time, they were the creators of "social justice" and now their schools are at the forefront of pushing and accepting the unholy faggotry.

[Anonymous No.21845177]

>>21845164
Damn...is this going to be /lit/'s legacy? Hiding a /lit/ meme on two Wikipedia pages? I wonder how many people will read that and believe it's real. Maybe one day I'll be at a bar and hear some drunk pseud talking "Parmenides' retroactive refutation". At that moment I will be euphoric, because /lit/ will have had a cultural impact.

[sage No.21845197]

>>21845131
>>21845136
>>21845152
>>21845167
>>21845169
I guenon (pbuh) were around today he would definitely be a HUGE marvel fan. His books were basically like marvel movies but for religions. He could bring out the esoteric dimension of Avengers for sure

[Anonymous No.21845206]

>>21845197
Guenon(pbuh) is still around brother. He is all around us sublimated into the primordial unity

[Anonymous No.21845217]

>retroactively refuted by his own mother tongue

[Anonymous No.21845225]

>The Primordial Brahman, in his infinite power and wisdom, bestowed upon our hero a physiognomy that only the gods could ever dream of

[Anonymous No.21845240]

>>21845131
t. has not read a single book
>He's indologically irrelevant.
Opinion instantly discarded if you think this means anything.

[Anonymous No.21845243]

>>21845153
>The Church fathers refuted monism and dualism
I didn't know the Church Fathers were also non-dualists

[Anonymous No.21845249]

>>21844733

[Anonymous No.21845256]

>>21845240
He's a non-person in Indology, literally no one mentions him. The only person he's so far had an inch of influence is Steve Bannon. That's it.

[Anonymous No.21845263]

>>21845256
Fair enough, I thought you misspelled ideologically.

[Anonymous No.21845274]

>>21845256
>He's a non-person in Indology
Again, your opinion instantly discarded if you think this means anything. Guenon rejected "Indology" and orientalism from the beginning. Which you'd know if you bothered to read (you don't).

[Anonymous No.21845279]

>>21845197
>keeps forcing his shitty joke like an autistic

[Anonymous No.21845285]

>>21845256
He's in an entirely different field than profane academia.

[Anonymous No.21845288]

>>21845243
That’s pretty stupid if you actually didn’t know that.

[Anonymous No.21845294]

>>21845279
If you think Guenon(pbuh) was autistic you clearly haven't read any of his books. He had a level of emotional intelligence approached only by a few prophets and saints in all of history.

[sage No.21845298]

>>21845240
>>21845274
>>21845285

[Anonymous No.21845332]

>>21845298
>gets refuted and BTFO
>insists that others are coping

[sage No.21845350]

>>21845332
it's over.

guenon is FINISHED

[Anonymous No.21845370]

>>21845350

[Anonymous No.21845377]

[Anonymous No.21845381]

[Anonymous No.21845382]

>>21845377
What is it with Traditionalists and jizz? Evola was obsessed with it too.

[Anonymous No.21845404]

>>21845350
>>21845370
>source: my porn-addicted tranny/cuck mind
Henceforth I will just bully you until you leave, ugly faggot freak.

[Anonymous No.21845410]

>>21845377
>tranny faggot so BTFO it posts a fake quote
No woman will ever love you, not even your disgusting brown mother.

>>21845382
>thinks it's real
Are you mentally retarded?

[sage No.21845412]

>>21845382
they were gay cum fetishists. Guenon was trans, you can tell by "his" pics. If he could just have transitioned everything would have been better

[Anonymous No.21845415]

>>21845377
Post the source. You can't because it doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.21845419]

>>21845412
>brown 3rd world subhuman projecting his cuck fetishes again

[Anonymous No.21845756]

All the trads, including Guénon, were blown out by Aleister Crowley, The Great Beast 666.

Even Guénon could not handle this anglo.

He cucked Amanda Coomaraswamy:
>Coomaraswamy asked Crowley to help promote his wife Alice Ethel's performances in 1916. Crowley wrote reviews of her in Vanity Fair and offered letters of introduction for her. She and Crowley quickly became lovers and magical partners, engaging in sexual magic by April of 1916. Alice became pregnant.
>Crowley says that Coomaraswamy was quite aware of their affair and had even encouraged it, wanting Crowley to take on her living expenses while in New York. Crowley, in exchange, introduced Ananda to Gerda Maria von Kothek, a prostitute and former Crowley lover. Coomaraswamy and von Kothek were soon living together.
>when Alice Ethel's career began to take off, Coomaraswamy wanted her back. Alice Ethel loved Crowley, but, for whatever reason, decided to return to England with Coomaraswamy. She had a miscarriage as a result of sea sickness on the voyage.
Crowley himself described Ananda "The Worm" in his magical diaries and considered him a "Black Brother" (Meaning an adept, achieving certain state in magical initiation corresponding to the Sephira of Chesed, fails to make the plunge to Binah, or the Supernals, and remains in towers of egoism and knowledge of the false sephirah of Daath)

Rene Guénon thought Crowley was a secret advisor to Hitler:
>To come back to Aleister Crowley, what you told me reminds me of the story that turned up in 1931 (I believe at least that was the exact date): while he was in Portugal, he suddenly disappeared. They found his clothes on the border of the sea, something that made them believe he had drowned. But it was only a simulated death, since they were no longer concerned about him and did not try to find out where he had gone. Actually, he went to Berlin to play the role of secret adviser to Hitler who was then at his beginning.
>A little later, Crowley founded the Saturn-Lodge in Germany; have you ever heard of it? There he called himself Master Therion, and his signature was to mega Therion (the Great Beast), something that in Greek gives exactly the numeric value 666.
-Letters from Guénon to Evola (X)

Julius Evola praised Crowley, wrote even an article about him:
>http://www.gornahoor.net/library/EvolaOnCrowley.pdf

He was a degenerate, sex addict, coomer. Crowley coomed regularly, he was a pro-coomer advocate:
>In his book, Magick, Aleister Crowley referred to masturbation jokingly and dysphemistically as child sacrifice.
>According to Crowley’s diaries, he performed this “sacrifice” about 150 times per year from 1912-1928.

Also see pic related. Aleister Crowley referred Guénon as a "monkey" and Guénon never accepted Crowley's claims to being a 33rd degree Freemason.

[Anonymous No.21845801]

Why was Lady Blavatsky living rent free in Guenon's head for many years? Did she even think about him/his ideas at all?

[Anonymous No.21846217]

>>21844733
https://www.ekatosedizioni.it/metafisica-e-sufismo/
https://www.ekatosedizioni.it/%e0%a4%a8-na/
https://www.ekatosedizioni.it/advitiya-caitanyavada/
https://www.ekatosedizioni.it/lucciole-per-lanterne-ancora-gli-incompetenti-di-vedanta/
https://www.ekatosedizioni.it/lucciole/
https://vedavyasamandala.com/essere-o-non-essere/

[Anonymous No.21846709]

AI proves he was right about the quantity thing at least

[Anonymous No.21846795]

hehehehehe refuted xD

[Anonymous No.21846802]

did guenon have any magical powers

[Anonymous No.21846957]

>>21846217
Nothing in those articles refutes Guenon

[Anonymous No.21847018]

>>21846802
no, even for all his cum eating he was just a baguette slinging tradcel who got absolutely siddhimogged by crowley and blavatsky at every turn

[Anonymous No.21847029]

>>21847018
>siddhimogged by crowley and blavatsky
what kinda powers did they have

[Anonymous No.21847123]

>>21846957
They all employ the retroactive refutation. Guenon is famous for being refuted retroactively by the retroactive refutation of Parmenides.

[Anonymous No.21847134]

>>21846217
join my server, advaitafag
https://discord.gg/UZb4JXbu

[Anonymous No.21847146]

>>21847123
Guenon is forever exempt from retroactive refutation

[Anonymous No.21847153]

>>21845382
It was part of thecontinuum of occult thought at the time, Guenon was involved with occult templarism, groups that descended to Crowley's OTO... But their "secret" was all about semen eating. https://www.parareligion.ch/spermo.htm

[Anonymous No.21847166]

>>21847153

[Anonymous No.21847170]

>>21846217
Carlos Rocchi: None of these Guenon-followers are REAL ADVAITINS because they dont follow my 20th century neo-guru who came up with his own individual and novel interpretation of Advaita that is actually foreign to the Advaita tradition

[Anonymous No.21847204]

>>21845410
Don't be so homophobic. The truth is that the traditionalist path is that of manly men, who (as Plato points out) only increase their manliness when associating with other men... You're probably a closet case yourself, don't be afraid...just relax and flow with it. Come out, anon, we'll all support your decision.

[Anonymous No.21847438]

>>21844828
Only difference is that Land is sort of irrelevant, whilst Guénon is very, very relevant.

[Anonymous No.21847600]

>>21845175
>The Jesuits in particular are evil
Guenon himself was a satanic apostate you retard.

[Anonymous No.21847611]

>>21845756
Crowley is automatically refuted by being a masochistic cuck and even I think Guenon was a sophistic retard.

[Anonymous No.21847637]

>>21847438

[Anonymous No.21848501]

>>21847600
>he's satanic because he disagrees with muh dogma
Idiot detected.

[Anonymous No.21848507]

>>21847153
Guenon was never associated with OTO or Crowley.

[Anonymous No.21848509]

>>21847204
>ur gay
Good argument. Traditionalism btfo.

[Anonymous No.21848512]

>>21847637
You can do this shitty meme with basically any philosophy book

[Anonymous No.21848653]

>>21848501
He's satanic because he rejects Christ on the grounds of summoning his own Anti-Christ, yes.

[Anonymous No.21848778]

>>21848653
>gets refuted
>doubles down

[Anonymous No.21850166]

>>21848653
Guenon (pbuh) was closer to Christ in spirit than you will ever be in your wildest dreams

[Anonymous No.21850696]

>>21848507


Guénon was disciple of Papus. Papus/Encausse was a member of the Paris chapter of the HOGD; Crowley was a member of HOGD as well, and specifically loyal to the Paris (Mathers) faction. Both Mathers and Encausse worked on translations of the Kabbalah; Crowley utilized their work in his own subsequent materials. Crowley was aware of and knew Encausse.