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What do you think was the best part? Most popular seems to be Archimboldi and Fate.

>> No.21838195

>and another woman was found
>and another woman was found
>and another...

>> No.21838494

>>21838195
Yeah, haven't read that part yet. I hope it's more than a 300 page list

>> No.21838710

The last 5-6 pages of Fate are the best pages in the book.

>> No.21838764

>>21838710
Why

>> No.21838781

>>21838494

its not. it's more like a panoramic overview of whats happening societaly (as opposed to the more personal perspectives of people who inhabit or investigate it in the previous two chapters). people meme on it a lot but it's genuinely great.

>> No.21838865

>>21837988
Why is this so good?
I cant put it into words
Any eloquentchad is up to the task?

>> No.21839076

>>21838865
Part of it is the style. It's not written like a 19th century novel, as in Dostoevsky or Tolstoy. It moves very quick, there are no long descriptions of clothes, rooms or what people think. Instead he mentions one or two vivid details, then moves on. It's very kinetic, the reader is propelled forward scene after scene, there's little lingering. And the sentences are easy to read, often quite short, simple syntax. That's part of his success I guess.

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>more and more Bolano posting

good good...

>> No.21839756

>>21837988
I'm reading Fate right now and while the beginning was very strong it has become a bit boring. It's basically just a journalist wandering around, sometimes talking to people.

>> No.21839773

I liked the Black Panther’s sermon in Fate
Reminded me of the sermon in Moby Dick. Very comfy.

>> No.21840210

>>21837988
I've heard a lot of people say Archimboldi is the best part

>> No.21840577

>>21837988
Fate > Archimboldi > Critics > Crimes > Amalfitano

>> No.21841569

>>21839773
Yeah, that part was kino.

>> No.21841935

Finished the Fate part. What a weird writer. Think about it. What did you read?
- Fate sits in an airplane and listens to people taking about a guy called Bobby
- Fate goes into a cinema and leaves after one scene
- Fate sits in a restaurant and looks at table football
- Fate reads a book about slavery
- Fate listens to a sermon from a member of the Black Panther Party
- Fate watches a movie with Charly Cruz
- Fate remembers writing an article about some Mohammed brotherhood members who are fans of Osama bin Laden
The whole thing consists mostly of such moments that could be called inconsequential. Often they add nothing to any thematic exploration or story progression or characterization. They just exist. Some of them are very well written. What makes Bolano weird is that the majority of the novel seems to consist of such seemingly inconsequential moments.

>> No.21841943

>>21837988
Amalfitano is underrated.
The idea that this academic has read all these obscure philosophers but can do nothing to protect his daughter from the mass rapist is one of the strongest metaphors for the futility of philosophy I've ever read.

>> No.21841949

>>21841943
>Philosophy isn't power.
Lmao

>> No.21842449

>>21840577
Critics > Amalfitano > Fate > Archimboldi > Crimes

>> No.21843030

>>21838710
>>21840577
>rating Fate at all
shit taste, that's the more pulpy one.

>> No.21843191

>>21843030
What's your favorite then? Wasn't the biggest fan of Fate either.

>> No.21843471

>>21841935
That's the whole point kind of. Without spoiling anything further it just showcases the hollowness of modern day life, the day to day comings and goings that don't really amount to anything other that we lived them and that's that. No great revelation, no scales lifted from our eyes, just a lot of dithering

>> No.21843631

>>21843030
pulp is fun

>> No.21843641

>>21839113
I'm weirdly gay for him. That fluffy hair, those glasses.

>> No.21843669

>>21841943
The geometry textbook getting torn apart by the desert is on your nose but I liked it

>> No.21843671

>>21843631
kys

>> No.21843753

>>21843671
May Allah bless your balls

>> No.21844028

>>21839076
>. And the sentences are easy to read, often quite short, simple syntax.
Wow, I was wrong here, I'm now reading Critics after Fate and the syntax is way more complicated with lots of long sentences. What the fuck, why does he change the prose style so much.

>> No.21844431

>>21843030
It really is a bit pulpy. Particularly that part "You've punched a guy in a house so now please take my attractive daughter and go live with her in the United States, based black man"

>> No.21846015

>>21844028
Apparently Bolano wanted the parts published as seperate novels. Maybe the styles are different because he viewed the parts not as a single book.

>> No.21846156

>>21841935
>What makes Bolano weird is that the majority of the novel seems to consist of such seemingly inconsequential moments.
The moments are entirely dependent on whom they involve.
Crimes is brilliant because it holds the reader to question why they more than likely care more about one man than all the victims.

>> No.21846383

Wow, the first part is a bit tedious. I've reached that sentence that is six pages long. And it's even a 'fake' long sentence where he just connects separate sentences with an "and". I kinda hate when writers do that, at least construct a real long singular sentence.

>> No.21846430

>>21846015
He wanted to publish as separate to secure bucks for his family after he died

>> No.21846444

>>21846156
In the same way, Crimes high point is when two characters realize they have all been calling the victims bitches when just a minority is really hookrrs

>> No.21846504

>>21838195
Just like de Sade poop rape list in 120 days

>> No.21847399

>>21843641
He was pretty qt

>> No.21847429

Oscar Amalfitano was my favorite character. The fact that he protects his daughter from the cartel despite having schizophrenia is pretty cool.

>> No.21847512

>>21846444
I remember some anon saying about Crimes, why should I care about all these random whores? Like come on man

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>>21843641
>>21847399

>> No.21847837

How does Wild Detectives compare to 2666? Is it better/worse?

>> No.21847856

The broomstick buttrape execution of innocents is the centerpiece of the book and it should cure anyone who isn't a misanthropist yet

>> No.21847860

>>21847592
sexooo

>> No.21847923

>>21847856
Lol thats a Friday irl in any Latam dictatorship from the past century

>> No.21847928

>>21847837
savage detectives

>> No.21848434

>>21847837
Opinions vary. I liked 2666 a bit better but that's cuz I was already acquainted with Bolaño. Savage Detectives is usually considered the more finished work for obvious reasons

>> No.21848566

Did anyone else really like part 1 of 2666? I feel like most discussions skip over it, but I found the lives of the scholars oddly mesmerizing.

>> No.21848601

>>21848566
There were one or two moment that I disliked but I thought it was a fun chapter. Shoutout to my boy the iranian taxi driver who got the shit beat out of him for being too based

>> No.21848628

>>21848566
i loved the part with the scholars, mesmerising in how pathetic and self absorbed they are and how useless their existences are

>> No.21849581

>>21847837
2666 took me awhile until it clicked and when it did it changed my entire worldview.

Savage Detectives is fantastic but the first time I read it I had a dreadful flu and had all these fever dreams that I was running around Mexico City

>> No.21850632

>>21849581
>when it did it changed my entire worldview.
How so anon?

>> No.21850637

>>21846156
>Crimes is brilliant because it holds the reader to question why they more than likely care more about one man than all the victims.
The man did something noteworthy
The women had something bad happening to them, and the sheer number of cases leads to banality
Not rocket science

>> No.21851533

>>21850632
It firmly showed me the sheer chaos of the world, how we try to tie things together but our efforts are often fruitless. As other anons in the thread have touched on, the sheer banality of everything in the face of horror and evil. That's not to say, become a nihilist, but go to the grave laughing.