/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21813487]

Great book, but...

[Anonymous No.21813488]

...it was debunked by this.

[Anonymous No.21813640]

>>21813487
>>21813488
So you haven’t read either of them. I see.

[Anonymous No.21813646]

>>21813487
Only if all you know about American history is O'rileys book

[Anonymous No.21813668]

>>21813487
..it was grossly inaccurate and basically an anti-goyim propaganda piece.

[Anonymous No.21813807]

>>21813668
>diff’runt perspectives from mine is inaccurate!!
>I haet jewzzzzzz
Go back

[Anonymous No.21813816]

>>21813487
Did you know... "America bad?"

[Anonymous No.21813839]

It's as if it had been purposefully written so as to match all possible Jewish stereotypes.

[Anonymous No.21813881]

>>21813816
Did you know state-capitalism bad?

[Anonymous No.21813884]

>>21813839
So write a people’s History of Israel.

Spoiler: you will find many jews interested in publishing it.

[Anonymous No.21813892]

>>21813640
Will read the first and Sean read the second.

[Anonymous No.21813898]

This one is too conservacuck and libertardian to my tastes but it served as a nice counterbalance to the garbage I was being fed in high-school.

[Anonymous No.21813902]

It’s a good book but its focus on “marginalized voices” without a clear class perspective paved the way for bullshit liberal idpol like the 1619 Project.

[Anonymous No.21813911]

>>21813898
this shit looks so gay

[Anonymous No.21813927]

>>21813898
>from Columbus’ great discovery…
Lief Eriksson
Francisco de Bobadilla
Republican think tank history is so stupid.

[Anonymous No.21813935]

>>21813927
>”discovers” a continent that’s already fucking inhabited
>kills and rapes said inhabitants to steal shiny metals
>”Wow, what a hero!”
I don’t get it

[Anonymous No.21813950]

>>21813911
Yea it’s a pretty weak-ass cover if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.21813956]

Tell me about the White man. Why does the ecstasy of gold possess him so?

[Anonymous No.21813987]

Just disband the fucking country so these mother fuckers will stop existing only to attack and destroy it.

[Anonymous No.21813998]

>>21813956
NOOOO NOT THE CRACKERINO! NOT THE BORKIN FORKIN WHITE DEVILERINO COME TO RAPE AND PILLAGERINOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.21814004]

>>21813956
These are Habsburd-spanish soldiers killing dutch rebels.
>>21813935
Sailing into the unknown is heroic. Never heard of Odysseus?

[Anonymous No.21814017]

>>21813884
If you mean Israel the kingdom, it would be hard as fuck given the scarcity of available archeological evidence. If you mean Israel the people, there is no way it would be published by anyone except some nutty far-right house unless it's fully sanitized.

[Anonymous No.21814026]

Also try The Dawning of the Apocalypse by Gerald Horne. Great stuff

[Anonymous No.21814038]

>>21814017
Israel the colony that sits atop Palatine.

But read Israel Shahak

[Anonymous No.21814051]

>>21813927
>Hurr durr Leif Erikson took a shit while doing a stop by in northern Canada, therefore it's totally equivalent to the Columbian exchange in historic impact
Why are so many brainlets like this?
I'm not even some "Columbus is a hero in this house" Wog, but come on, his discovery is obviously the relevant one because he actually went back to Europe with detailed records on how to get to America. The Vikings jerked off for a bit and then died without a trace.

[Anonymous No.21814059]

>>21814017
>If you mean Israel the people, there is no way it would be published by anyone except some nutty far-right house
I guarantee you, many Left wing publishers would love to print it out. Israel hasn't been liked by Communists since the fucking 1950s

[Anonymous No.21814113]

>>21813487
but what?

[Anonymous No.21814123]

>>21814051
Meanwhile in Canada

Also, the Basque found the old charts of his in Iceland and started to fish off their coast till the colonization period spoiled the whole thing

>>21814059
Leftists jews and some orthodox jews both hate Israel.

[Anonymous No.21814143]

>>21814123
>Meanwhile in Canada
Damn

[Anonymous No.21814155]

>>21813881
>thing bad
Why?

[Anonymous No.21814157]

>>21814143
>Reconstructed settlement
>Which nobody on earth knew about during the time it existed
>Which had no long term impact on America or Europe
Columbus is remembered because Spain and Portugal actually did something besides making a handful of wooden huts. It's not rocket science; America speaks Spanish for the most part, not Icelandic.

[Anonymous No.21814184]

>>21813898
I can tell a brainlet wrote this from the the title and cover alone
>A patriot's
Immediately a biased and shows the history will be idealistic and not materialistic.
>great discovery
He sailed a boat westward. The odds of him hitting land were almost certain. Newton had great discoveries. Sailing a boat across the Atlantic isn't great. They knew the earth was round then. The discovery of the America's should be called a late discovery of anything.
>age of enlightenment
This implies the enlightment was good. It wasn't.
This book wasn't a counterbalance. It served to legitimize whatever you read. The only thing you should know about US history are that the "revolutionaries" were gigantic retard libs hits of their day from Washington to Jefferson to Hamilton to Paine to Franklin, all were prorojacobins. They were the distilled concentration of all of the excrement of the enlightement from Voltaire to Locke to Rousseau, made flesh then manifested a state that has continously been on a downward spiral for itself and the entire world. There's nothing conservative about the United States from its very founding onward. It was a mistake and if I could go back in time and keep the loyalists in power, I would. The French revolution would have never happened and the world would be much better than it is today.

[Anonymous No.21814187]

>>21814155
War, poverty, pestilence, slavery, taxes. A lot of the world’s ills come of it.
But are you one that really enjoys his hamster wheel?

[Anonymous No.21814199]

>>21814184
>pop and kings good, cuz reasons!

[Anonymous No.21814200]

>>21814051
They were taught just enough to be able to question received wisdom, but not enough to actually think critically. Thus they become able to double think themselves into denying the immensity of the Columbian Exchange because of it's lack of pure novelty and the debased nature of the man, while simultaneously living in the world that his voyage created.

[Anonymous No.21814211]

>>21814184
Uhmmm… it says age of Entitlement…

[Anonymous No.21814226]

>>21814051
Just stop saying he discovered it.
First to exploit the natives. He would have done the same to the Indians had the world been that small.

[Anonymous No.21814242]

>>21814184
>proto-jacobin

Not true about Washington who denounced jacobinism in no uncertain terms.

https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2021/01/23/george-washington-on-the-illuminatis-infiltration-of-european-freemasonry/

[Anonymous No.21814249]

>>21814184
>Good goyim. Hate your history, hate your country!

[Anonymous No.21814252]

the state exists for itself and it's quaint to see people throw a fit when someone speaks ill of their favored state

[Anonymous No.21814261]

>>21814211
That's even worse. When people say you're "entitled" , let me translate: that means you deserve nothing. It's an affront on your very existence.

[Anonymous No.21814270]

>>21814261
That’s all the rightwinger has left. God and spite

[Anonymous No.21814271]

>>21814184
There is no purely “objective” view of history. The historian is a subject, and as far as the history of a nation goes, whether that historian considers himself a part of that nation, or part of a historically-oppressed group by that nation, this is an important factor that will necessarily influence the emphases, sympathies, and conclusions of the historians.

[Anonymous No.21814280]

>>21814184
>the history will be idealistic and not materialistic.
And?

[Anonymous No.21814282]

>>21814252
The state exists to protect the financial interests of the economic elite

[Anonymous No.21814284]

>writing history differently somehow changes it

I get the feeling narcissists really latch onto this idea.

[Anonymous No.21814297]

>>21814249
There is no country unless God grants rule by divine right which the US never had and never will have. The US has no history to be celebrated. Just a continual progression toward further and further liberalism undoing everything else along the way. Everything that made it advance was reactionary functions in place left over by British and even these have been undone entirely.

[Anonymous No.21814301]

>>21814280
So, lies will parade as fact.

>>21814284
It’s that the difference better informs.

[Anonymous No.21814305]

>>21814242
That's because he felt morally responsible for its creation which he was. All of this could have been averted if the enlightment trannies never came to power. The reactionaries were right.

[Anonymous No.21814327]

>>21814305
Kys! Hahahaha

[Anonymous No.21814337]

>>21814297
Once again you’re trying to reduce a nation to an abstraction, to an ideology. In spite of the liberal principles present at the founding a nation did indeed develop on this continent no matter how hard you try to deny it.

You’re only purpose here is a further demoralization and finishing off of that nation which you hate.

Yea there is no “objective” history, history is a nationalist enterprise like any other activity on earth.

[Anonymous No.21814346]

>>21814305
If you feel identityless you should blame your ancestors who left their homeland. Maybe move back to Europe if you want. But don’t try that subversive shit here boy.

[Anonymous No.21814350]

>>21813927
>republican
rent free lmao
>>21813935
You are living in a European man's world.
Nobody cares about whatever backwards group of savages that inhabited the New World.

[Anonymous No.21814371]

Great book but...

[Anonymous No.21814375]

... it was debunked by this.

[Anonymous No.21814391]

>>21814350
>rent free
No. We quite literally live in a rent seeking economy. I do pay my own rent. You one of those neets loving off your mom?

[Anonymous No.21814397]

>>21814004
>Sailing into the unknown is heroic

[Anonymous No.21814400]

>>21814350
>rent free
No. We quite literally live in a rent seeking economy. I do pay my own rent. You one of those NEETs living off your mom?

[Anonymous No.21814436]

>>21814327
>MOMMY HE INSULTED MY LEAD DENTURED HEAVY METAL BRAINED RETARD HERO THAT READ SOME EBIN CITY SLICKER FRENCH AND ENGLISH INTELLECTUALS BUT WHOAH WHAOH WHOAH HE LIKED THEM BUT NOT LIKE THE HE KIN JACOBINS THAT'S TOO FAR MY ILLUMINATI EXPOSED BLOG SAYS SO. I AM FINE WITH URSURPING A STATE, UNDOING BONDS OF LOYALTY, INSTALLING HUCKSTERS WITH ONLY TEMPORARY RESPONSIBILITIES, HAVING A ROBUST REPRESENTATIVE LIBERAL DEMOCRACY BUT GUILLITINES? WHOAH WOAH HECKIN NO MAN. I DRAW THE LINE AT EXTRA JUDICIAL HANGINGS AND LETHAL TAR AND FEATHERING OF THOSE FUDDY DUDDY REACTIONARIES. (NERVOUS LAUGHTER) UH... KYS!

[Anonymous No.21814452]

>>21814337
>you you you you you
>seething
why do emotionalbrains do this?

[Anonymous No.21814455]

>>21814436
Naw naw. I’m literally laughing at your fragile bitchfest

[Anonymous No.21814460]

>>21814455
Reddit tier retort.

[Anonymous No.21814465]

>>21814184
>It was a mistake and if I could go back in time and keep the loyalists in power, I would. The French revolution would have never happened and the world would be much better than it is today.
Well that's just like your opinion dude.

[Anonymous No.21814469]

>>21814460
4chan is reddit

[Anonymous No.21814593]

>>21814452
You have nothing.

[Anonymous No.21814704]

>>21814593
I knocked your precious libshit founding fathers down a peg and the only retort you have is an ad hominem assessing my motives and saying muh muh demoralization. Usually when someone is right and nobody can counter brainlets try pulling this card.

[Anonymous No.21814783]

>>21814704
Nobody said anything about the founding fathers until you got here. Furthermore you tried to reduce America the nation to an abstraction, an ideology ie Liberalism, while in truth a nation is a spiritual-biological living reality.

You also said that history could be done in an “unbiased” manner and I clearly established such a thing is not possible here: >>21814271

Someone such as yourself who is viciously hostile to America from the outset and is therefore disposed to interpret its history in the most uncharitable and exaggerated fashion at every turn, is in no wise a person any American should pay attention to. You’re motives are malevolent and hostile from the outset and ought to be disregarded.

[Anonymous No.21814789]

>>21814704
Nobody said anything about the founding fathers until you got here. Furthermore you tried to reduce America the nation to an abstraction, an ideology ie Liberalism, while in truth a nation is a spiritual-biological living reality.

You also said that history could be done in an “unbiased” manner and I clearly established such a thing is not possible here: >>21814271 (You) #

Someone such as yourself who is viciously hostile to America from the outset and is therefore disposed to interpret its history in the most uncharitable and exaggerated fashion at every turn, is in no wise a person any American should pay attention to. Your motives are malevolent and hostile from the outset and ought to be disregarded.

[Anonymous No.21814791]

>>21814187
Those things didn't exist before state-capitalism?

[Anonymous No.21814842]

>>21814004
>Never heard of Odysseus?
Odysseus was just trying to get home, not sailing into the unknown (although according to Dante, he did sail off into the unknown before he died).

[Anonymous No.21815012]

>>21814184
>He sailed a boat westward. The odds of him hitting land were almost certain. Newton had great discoveries. Sailing a boat across the Atlantic isn't great. They knew the earth was round then. The discovery of the America's should be called a late discovery of anything.
What have you ever done?

[Anonymous No.21815160]

>>21814791
War and poverty did not, no.
Pestilence in smaller outbursts, but we were a much smaller population then. See, what caused the Black Plague was trade with China. There was probably nothing of the sort until such exotic trade routs started up.

And let me address a common objection you might have. pre-ancient times people experiencing a famine will just decide to get up and move to better lands. No weird nationalist attachments bothered such people.
We once knew how to live right.

[Anonymous No.21815241]

>>21814842
>Odysseus was just trying to get home
He was also raiding, raping and pillaging any convenient settlement along his way before he got caught up with that BPD witch.

[Anonymous No.21815249]

>>21815160
Lmao. What retarded hippy shit is this that you think wars didn't exist before capitalism? Fucking hunter-gatherer tribes used to go to war with each other. My state, Hawai, was an island paradise where women could hold political power and keep multiple husbands, where nobody went hungry, and that had a substinence economy where my ancestors only produced and shared what was needed to feed, clothe, and house ourselves... and we STILL went to war with each other all fucking time. The wars only got more intense when whitey showed up and sold us guns.

[Anonymous No.21815276]

>>21815249
Based reality understander

[Anonymous No.21815343]

>>21814282
A preposition is something you should never end a sentence with.

[Anonymous No.21815377]

>>21815249
Fights are not wars.
Hunter gatherers did not hunt fellow hunters. When there was rivalry for good hunting a hothead might go over and tell them to bugger off their lands, and get into a fist fight, but they'd better stop or there'd be a bigger fight and his tribe certainly wouldn't defend him. No elders would get together and work something out. Because chiefs main goal isn't to lord it over people, it is to keep the peace. If a chief fails this, he's outta there.

>The wars only got more intense
tribal people like the Incan, the Aztecs etc. will turn to this sort of lifestyle, but feel free enough to abandon it. Can we not as. species weigh the options? You people insist your imperialist teachers are right that there never was a different way, even though there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.
And it's nothing compared to the imperialist wars of modern nationstates. Nothing.
>>21815276
Biased coated over reel-ality

[Anonymous No.21815403]

>>21815343
What preposition?

[Anonymous No.21815412]

>>21815377
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

[Anonymous No.21815442]

>>21815412
>Can we not as a species weigh the options?
>we are just chimps. Nothing ore
>also blacks are inferior and too other
>also praise god. Death to the enlightenment

[Anonymous No.21815460]

>>21814184
You /lit/ tradfags are so cringe
You know "The enlightenment was a mistake" is supposed to be a meme, right? You weren't supposed to actually believe it lmao

[Anonymous No.21815498]

>>21815460
Same thing happened with the knuckleheads who started "ironically" celebrating Hitlers birthday because it's 420

[Anonymous No.21815527]

>>21815377
>You people insist your imperialist teachers are right that there never was a different way, even though there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.
Can you give any examples?

[Anonymous No.21815549]

>>21813881
>state-capitalism
So socialism?

[Anonymous No.21815553]

>>21815377
>Hunter gatherers did not hunt fellow hunters.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Cranium-17-bone-traumatic-fractures-A-Frontal-view-of-Cranium-17-showing-the-position_fig4_277326376

[Anonymous No.21815557]

>>21813898
Based book too bad you're still a leftoid, read more books like that and you just might improve

[Anonymous No.21815582]

>>21815557
>le founding fathers (libshits) were great
>slavery is le bad
>America was the good guy in WWI and WWII
into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.21815769]

>>21815343
>With a preposition, one should never end a sentence.

[Anonymous No.21815790]

>>21815582
>>le founding fathers (libshits) were great
Most people don't understand that nearly all of the founding fathers had already mentally accepted that things like slavery were bad, they just knew it was necessary to maintain independence from the crown. The current culture is not a divergence from what they envisioned for their country, it is the manifestation of it.

[Anonymous No.21815827]

>>21813488
You people baffle me. You spend all this money on beautiful, fancy books--and they're the wrong fuckin' books.

[Anonymous No.21815830]

>>21813816
it do be true though.

[Anonymous No.21815905]

>>21815549
There’s social programs in every modern nationstate. Capitalism is too unstable to do without. Yes, “corporatism” happens. “Socialism for the rich”, I understand. Terrible systems

[Anonymous No.21816044]

>>21813816
There’s nothing original about America or American bashing anymore. It’s played out at this point.

[Anonymous No.21816061]

>>21816044
>It’s played out

it do be true though.

[Anonymous No.21816077]

oh boy another book calling itself history when it's really just a bunch of political opionions. we just don't have enough of those

[Anonymous No.21816104]

>>21816077
History is history. Just because you prefer the opinions that leave out huge chunks of other people's doesn't make this not history.

[Anonymous No.21816120]

>>21813898
>age of entitlement
>entitlement
Is this book sarcasm? I thought this was conservative nationalism.

[Anonymous No.21816206]

>>21816104
It is propaganda in the clearest sense. Sure, all that stuff Zinn talks about really happened, but cherry-picking the worst the Colonists did and juxtaposing it with the most Kum-ba-ya anecdotes we have of native americans is dishonest. All you are really doing is portraying a false notion of human nature, that the Europeans were somehow more evil than everyone else.

In reality, American natives were brutal and warlike. Aztecs practiced slavery and human sacrifice. Brazilian natives were cannibals. American indians were constantly murdering each other until the white man showed up, when they banded together. When they captured a white man, they typically tortured him to death. There is nothing "wholesome" or "beneficent" about American Indians other than perhaps their relation to nature and egalitarianism. In all regards, it was really just two opposing powers, where one was weaker than the other. This has happened countless times throughout history. It's natural.

[Anonymous No.21816406]

>>21816206
>all that stuff Zinn talks about really happened
Not all of it. He starts off with some absolute nonsense about native Americans sailing to ancient Belgium. This is why I take the rest of the book with a pinch of salt. He's clearly totally uncritical of any factoid he stumbles across that supports his narrative.

[Anonymous No.21816459]

>>21815498
>implying I do it ironically

[Anonymous No.21816472]

>>21816061
to an extent. but I'm not about to slaughter my parents or family because "muh nine eleven false flag" or "le heckin imperialism". I really wish I cared about the old world but when it comes down to it, I only really care about my own ass and my loved ones. I get that Tankies do "critical readings" of Schmitt but "friend versus enemy" also applies to us, and at the end of the day, I value my own folks over some desolate third worlder anyday.

[Anonymous No.21816474]

>>21816406
its funny when Marxists try to approach everything critically and then just churn out horseshit because they believe themselves (and they really do, if you push them enough) to be on a "higher plane of intellectual consciousness". I get that some people draw comparisons from Christianity to Marxism but these people often forget the tenant of "pride comes before the fall"

[Anonymous No.21816530]

How come none of these novels discuss Masonry? Washington and most of the Fathers were balls deep in the Masonic Order

[Anonymous No.21817313]

>>21816474
It’s funny when walking horeshit calls everyone Marxist because they don’t know a goddamn thing.
On the literature board!

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[Anonymous No.21817620]

>>21815827
>>21813892
Based