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[Anonymous No.21811328]

Starting training your inner monologue to be active most of the time. Describe the things you see, make remarks about them, make jokes, imagine something to say as if someone was there next to you, or if you were trying to capture it for a story. Describe people, places, have entire dialogues in your head, arguments with imaginary antagonists going from logical disagreements to just a pure trade of insults.

Always find the things that seem the most challenging to you and force your mind into that frequency. If you see someone doing a speech and think damn I couldn't do that, then keep trying to do them in your head for the next few weeks until you get it right. Aim for a wide range. Human speech is crystallized into contextual formats: the lecture, the book report, the flirting, the banter, the eulogy, the best man speech, the academic writing, the letter, you will only improve it on a fundamental level if you go through several of them and force yourself to align your creative resources to their constraints.

Your inner monologue has two modes: you can either figure out what to say word-for-word, improvising linearly like a real conversation, or you can use it more conceptually, jumping all over the place, without burdening yourself with word choice and rhetoric too much. You have to oscillate between the two. People who have the second one as standard are much better at coming up with new ideas and new angles on things, but you will have a hard time articulating those thoughts and you might feel like that part of you is "locked" in your head. The first mode forces you to not only figure out how to say things, but to figure out cadence, timing, and tone, and it forces you to adjust length for the situation, so you need to go 50/50 with them.

[Sage No.21811377]

Quality thread op

[Anonymous No.21811411]

>>21811328
No. Between the dialogizing and ideation, I'm already like Deniro in The king of comedy. I do not need more of this in my life. Watching that movie made me severely depressed, just like back when I found out about autism.

[Anonymous No.21811422]

>>21811328
any books on this? on developing your inner monologue, i mean

[Anonymous No.21811438]

>>21811411
Your problem is the daydreaming.

[Sage No.21811444]

>>21811411
I highly suggest you write down those feelings and explore them in a calm setting with yourself. One of my favorite aspects in life is soaking in my own misery to contemplate life; It’s like a bonus stage.

[Anonymous No.21811486]

Good thread
I am a mute because my brain works on autopilot, I barely even listen to people most of the time. I envy the normies who seemingly have an opinion on everything and can slam you with point after point effortlessly

[Anonymous No.21811645]

>>21811328
training? tf? i’ve been trying to train my brain to stop the constant inner monologue.

[Anonymous No.21811648]

This is something I've been working on bringing back in to my life and improving. For years I've silenced my inner monologue with the internet, using the constant scrolling and stimulation to drown out my thoughts, in part because my inner monologue has been constant worry and anxiety. I think I shut down a lot of my imagination and inner monologue because I used to get scoffed at or laughed at when I tried to share my thoughts, or my mind was in a different place than the conversation so I would come across as awkwardly bringing up unrelated ideas.

Jung's active imagination sounds like a good technique to retrain myself but I only just found out about it and haven't done much with it. I've been trying to daydream more and create little fantasies in my head though I have to get over feeling silly about it.

[Anonymous No.21811768]

>>21811328
Okay but my problem is: HOW DO I TURN IT OFF

[Anonymous No.21811832]

>>21811768
>>21811645
why do you want to do that?

[Anonymous No.21811851]

>>21811328
That'd be so easy to rape with a box of stringed cheese and heroin

[Anonymous No.21811867]

>>21811832
Because it keeps yelling nonsense about niggernoggers and bee buttholes.

[Sage No.21812020]

>>21811486
You’re not missing out. Id wager nobody is a master loquacious debater. Too rare. Most pretend. Easy to spot but like friends the ones worth keeping are uniquely stupid lol well hey this text medium keeps life interesting enough right?

[Anonymous No.21812077]

>>21811444
>>21811328
You're supposed to stop doing that after adolescence. You should express your creativity outside of yourself, by ways of writing, singing, music, handwork, sports, dance etc. Not stopping your inner monologue but avoid soaking in it. It's intellectual masturbation and leads to nothing good.

Not that I could describe a full and coherent theory of why it is so (others have done that), but I really mean it.

[Anonymous No.21812083]

>>21811486
It's mostly training.
Also natural disposition but those people argue (in the good sense of the word) with their families all the time at home.

[Anonymous No.21812096]

I only read the first paragraph because I'm lazy but I've seen that technique being suggested for language learning

[Anonymous No.21812201]

>>21811832
Because mine has been active 24/7 for the last 26 years and it takes me 2 hours to fall into a sleep that doesn't refresh me and the microsecond after I wake up it has already started again and I can't take it anymore

[Anonymous No.21812321]

>but you will have a hard time articulating those thoughts and you might feel like that part of you is "locked" in your head
All me.

[Anonymous No.21812365]

>>21811832
I've been criticized for it when trying to work in more team dynamic roles. My mind is always working and they think I'm holding info back or back distracted. When really I'm overly aware of everything and shift through my thoughts of finding the correct things to say. It's hard for me to just naturally talk with out over analyzing what people say first.

[OP No.21812368]

>>21811328
yes, genius

i havent expanded further upon this idea but ive made a note of it.
the mind and mental dialogue must be trained to be disciplined and useful. of positive and reinforcing thoughts instead of despairing etc

granted i havent thought much about it but you'd think buddhism/hinduism would have made this the next step so people became happy and productive. or rebellious and intelligent.

>christianity has got something akin to this doesnt it, correct thought?

[Anonymous No.21812416]

>>21811328
I do this since I was a kid, they say autism, schizotypal, I say dreams and stuff. Good shit, OP.

[Anonymous No.21812427]

>>21811328
I do that just naturally and most people close to me think I'm a Schizo. It's gotten to the point where I tell people who notice my whispering and twitching I have light Tourette Sydrome

[Anonymous No.21812431]

>>21811328
The blonde one is very cute.
The brown one too, but she looks like she's annoying so it negatively affects how physically attractive I find her.

[Anonymous No.21812505]

>>21811328
You absolutely fucking retard of an OP, DO NOT RECOMMND THIS TO PEOPLE. Many people already suffer from this and the diagnosis is 'Maladptive Daydreaming.' But trying to do that on purpose leads to horrible outcomes.

I myself must all the time watch myself to make sure I'm not talking to people that are not there or to pay attention to what's around me. I have to bite my tongue HARD almost everytime I'm in a social gathering to not start talking into the air or stare at nothing.

If you try doing this, you will find yourself thinking about talking with a friend and instead of doing so you'll just hallucinate the conversation in your head. The worst is when you make entire arguments in your head, all the time.

My bottom was when I constantly talked with my psychiatrist about this, except that it was in my head and I had to forcefully shutdown those sessions by claiming they are not real.

STOP DOING THIS. DO NOT BAIT PEOPLE INTO DOING THIS YOU FUCKING RETARDED MORONIC FOOL.

[Anonymous No.21812653]

>>21811328
>how to give yourself schizophrenia 101

jk, on a more serious note, I used to have a more active inner monologue and idk why it stopped several years ago, probably something like >>21811648 , and it's coming back now, but sometimes it's just daydreaming stuff, I should probably try to steer it towards something more productive
the problem is I find it really cringe to willingly engange my inner monologe, like vocalizing evey word you read in your head instead of just reading, can't bring myself to do it

[Anonymous No.21812707]

>>21811328
>become a schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.21812873]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/pristine-inner-experience/201110/not-everyone-conducts-inner-speech

[Anonymous No.21813072]

>>21812505
You’re clearly clinically insane, thus your opinions shouldn’t be taken seriously. Like I would ever take advice from the guy hallucinating psychiatry sessions. Lol

[Anonymous No.21813083]

>>21812505
>Maladptive Daydreaming
Not a medically diagnosed disorder yet, and I suspect it's just people with hyperactive imagination deceiving themselves that they have a mental disorder to feel more special.

[Anonymous No.21813097]

>>21811328
Good post.

[Anonymous No.21813144]

>>21812505
>>21811328
I do this to the point where it absorbs most my day wtf. What do people do when they have nothing distracting them? I thought this was normal, just people do it less: i switch into imaginary debates/fantasy the instance I have an open second. The positives are I almost never get bored and I develop strong unique ideas. The negatives are I'm too comfortable being alone (believe me it's not a good thing) and uuhhmm people notice there is something strange about me. It's also a curse because you never have opportunities to stretch your ideas out in the real world

[Anonymous No.21813159]

>>21811328
Right gets so mogged here. Seems like she'd actually detract from sex with left if we were to have a three-some honestly. She'd literally just be filler in human form.

[Anonymous No.21813241]

>>21813083
>Not a medically diagnosed disorder yet, and I suspect it's just people with hyperactive imagination deceiving themselves that they have a mental disorder to feel more special.
I don't care whether it is a diagnosed disorder or not, it actively impacts my life as I cannot do normal tasks without zoning out into the last book I read and seeing scenes of the characters doing their stuff, or just replaying the scenes over and over again. This isn't funny or helpful, I would go to an actual psychiatrist if I could afford but of course, I cannot.

This isn't 'I am special' case, it's 'this actively fucks me up and leads to bad outcomes in my life.'

>>21813072
I'm not doing it on purpose, I cannot help it. I already mentioned I stop it the moment I notice, but it's automatic.

[Anonymous No.21813255]

>>21813241
Do you have any sort of creative outlet?

[Anonymous No.21813261]

>>21811328
ok

[Anonymous No.21813273]

I like your thoughts OP but inner dialogue cannot be trained in adulthood. It is something ingrained into human beings since childhood. Either your parents and teachers taught you to be a good goy npc doing everything to fit in, or they taught you to be a rebellious social outcast.

[Anonymous No.21813288]

>>21811328
If I had more balls I'd vocaroo my own monologues. I talk to myself constantly at home and it's made my whole train of thought very articulate. I used to struggle with expressing the concepts that were running through my head but since I relinquished normalcy and adopted this practice of talking to myself like a schizophrenic maniac my thinking has become crystalline.
>>21811438
Daydreaming is never a problem and always a blessing

[Anonymous No.21813583]

>>21813255
>Do you have any sort of creative outlet?
Unfortunately, it only explores already existing fiction I read. I tried writing, but I find myself ironically empty-headed and without any idea to write about. I'm also pretty shit at writing itself, even in my native language. But I noticed that my head gets better at coming up with stories as I get older, so maybe if I get good enough I will be able to redirect it into my creative process.

[Anonymous No.21813623]

>>21813241
When has this been happening? Was it a gradual process?

[Anonymous No.21813636]

>>21813623
>When has this been happening? Was it a gradual process?
I've always had a very active imagination, but it started getting worse around 19 I think. I remember people looking at me strangely because I whispered to myself too much during lectures at university, then the pandemic hit and I spent around 1.5 years without leaving my house because I could attend University from home online. I hated talking with my mother, so I commonly spent weeks without talking to anyone, just myself.

These days it got a little better, especially because I touch grass and go to parties and talk with people, but it's still there and I waste a lot of time on imagining things instead of learning/doing something productive.

[Anonymous No.21814557]

>>21812077
Jesus, no. What you're suggesting goes completely against the way the mind works.

If you want to become good at something, you have to identify the cognitive mechanisms associated with it and make them part of your default mode, so that even when your conscious mind is not focused on something the subconscious is still there forging connections and coming up with solutions. And you do that by creating a chamber isolated from real life and letting your thoughts grow in that direction without constraint.

Trying to be productive all the time will completely kill this, creative work will just become another part of your routine that you never even think about before it starts or after it's over, something that the brain associates with a specific schedule and context. And this is how you become one of those people who had tons of projects when you started, but now you experience "creative blocks" every time you sit down to write, and you wonder why those great ideas that used to come to you before bed or during walks are no longer there.

So you got it backwards, the struggle is not to get rid of this inner world, but to find ways to retain it throughout life.

[Anonymous No.21814566]

>Starting training your inner monologue to be active most of the time
i do drugs so i dont do this. Is there just silence in your head?

[I V R I • N E M O !!GgBWHLRiayD No.21814627]

"The Z0Omer's guide to the human: a pamphlet."

[Anonymous No.21816386]

>>21814627
I dare you to do better anon

[Anonymous No.21816426]

>>21811328
I turned off the internal monologue

[Anonymous No.21816433]

>>21814627
A guide for npcs would better suit you, tripfag?

[Anonymous No.21816449]

>>21811328
>Starting training your inner monologue to be active most of the time.
I'm trying to make it stop. It's mainly my dad saying dumb shit to me my whole life.

[Anonymous No.21816478]

>>21816449
kek, have you tried talking back?

[Anonymous No.21816496]

>>21816478
Yeah, I win some and lose some, but it's hard dealing with a narcissist megalomaniac. If I ever have to listen to his shit again I think I'll be ready.

[Anonymous No.21816565]

It's one of the most difficult things about writing. You think it but then in that small period of time between thinking and writing something gets distorted. The thought was so natural and effortless but somehow the writing is awkward and strained. Thoughts are pure and perfect. Language and semantics are just unwieldy tools barely fit for the job...

[Anonymous No.21816580]

>>21811328
that's schizophrenic behavior

[Anonymous No.21816691]

>>21814566
For me its song lyrics from the time I wake up to the time I start actively thinking anything else. Today it was an amigo the devil song.
>la-lalala-lalala-lalalalalala
>this life is a joke
>and death is the punch liiiiiinnnee!
on repeat.

[Anonymous No.21817465]

>>21816565
Yes this happens to me a lot. Usually I manage to "write" several pages in my head when walking outside but the moment I grab the pen the thought is not gone but impossible to recreate in logical and pure form of written text.

[Anonymous No.21817470]

>>21811851
is that nicocado's ass

[Anonymous No.21817487]

>>21816565
That pic is literally me but all the wojaks are happy
It's one of the few things I enjoy about this horrible life, that you exist and you're part of the things that happen in other people's lives. The idea that you're part of the world means you're not irrelevant, perhaps because you were there and did something something happened in the world, or didn't happen. it's just nice to be part of this convoluted organism I guess
this is also why I hate the internet and phones with every atom of my being

[Anonymous No.21817498]

This is also why despite being essentially a square I love the likes of punks, skaters and all that youthful shit, or walking through a big city filled with weird people with different cultures - I actually enjoy the multiculti shit despite being politically averse to it - I enjoy the fullness of the meltin' pot, there's something beautiful about so many different things converging. I love chaos. In perfect order there is no life

[Anonymous No.21817515]

>YOU'RE NOT THE MAIN CHARACTER!!!
Good post OP, I never understood this mindset and never agreed with it. it isn't "self-centered" to treat ourselves as the protagonist of our own life. I think people typically equate it with superficiality and having a big ego, but to me those are side characters' interpretations of what the protagonist thinks of themselves and others. I also think an unfortunate amount of people are content to believe they are just a part of someone else's story.

[Anonymous No.21817544]

>>21811328
Whats an inner monologue? Talking to yourself is cringe

[Anonymous No.21817547]

>>21817487
I am literally the opposite. If I could, I would transform into a ball of light that doesn't have to physically interact with anyone who is real
Only internet people.
God I fucking hate existing.

[Anonymous No.21817549]

>>21817544
Then I guess I'm cringe to like teenagers or something

[Anonymous No.21817616]

>>21817547
I hate existing too, but I like to be part of things. I like that you can talk to people or pet an animal or pick up a flower, or anything else really. Technically you can do anything that you can physically achieve in a given moment. The idea that all these lives and thing are connecting at all sorts of oblique angles feels so rich. What I dislike is that this convergence isn't entirely chaotic but it's regulated instead by societal rules etc., say, I can technically walk into a grove somewhere, but maybe it's private property. I can technically do this and that, but it's probably not actually achievable because society has put up very rigid rules e.g. I cannot just grow plants on a random piece of turf, I probably need a permit. I can't fish in the river because the waters are polluted, and so on. Everything is tied down real hard because the world is no longer primitive, and because I love that primitive freedom so much this is probably the worst possible time to be alive for me, a time when everything is completely bolted down and regulated, and societal standards are extremely strict and society is hyper-competitive along these precise guidelines. This is what makes me suicidal, but the basic framework of existence is pretty neat

[Anonymous No.21817630]

>>21811851
>>21817470
i fucking hate that this image has been programmed into my brain

[Anonymous No.21817695]

>>21817630
if metempsychosis and anamnesis are ontologically correct, you will be recognizing nickocado avocado's diseased anus in future incarnations without realizing why

it will come to you like deja vu, just a feeling, you'll be with your wife on a picnic in 2158 and you'll see the wind rustling through a specific configuration of autumn trees in the corner of your eye, and you'll go "huh?"

your wife will ask "what is it?" and you'll say "...nothing i guess". but it was him

[Anonymous No.21817804]

>>21817695
>it will come to you like deja vu, just a feeling, you'll be with your wife on a picnic in 2158
chances are that the 2158 wife will look like Nikocado's ass - no, not even Nicocado but his actual ass

[I V R I • N E M O !!GgBWHLRiayD No.21818009]

>>21816433
>Z0Omers
>"N P C s"

What is the difference? How can a Z0Omer be a "playable character" if he/she schizoscopically mutually conflates background, middleground, and foreground?

Not all Zoomers are Z0Omers.

[Anonymous No.21818015]

>>21813273
> inner dialogue cannot be trained in adulthood. It is something ingrained into human beings since childhood
Explain this then.

[Anonymous No.21818034]

>>21811328
I just want the voices in my head to stop unironically

[Anonymous No.21818054]

>>21818015
It's Reddit
They're brainwashed retards who think Putin is Hitler and that Trump is worse than George W Bush
Are you retarded too? Because you look very NPC right now

[Anonymous No.21818722]

>>21818015
It isn't real otherwise he might not even be alive. People like this do not exist.

[Anonymous No.21819549]

Isn't this the norm? Genuinely asking I'm a sxhizo so I have a dialogue but do people not just constantly imagine shit?

[Anonymous No.21819554]

>>21811411
I genuinely couldn't watch more than 10 minutes of it. Nothing's ever made me turn it off before but idk why I just couldn't watch it.

[Anonymous No.21819558]

>>21817547
>>21817616
Ahahahaha
Lmao
Lol

[Anonymous No.21819603]

>>21811328
A recipe for schizophrenia

Anons don’t do this

[Anonymous No.21819704]

>>21813583
It'd probably make you crazier, but if you truly have such a vivid ability to visualize, then certain sorts of meditation or otherwise esoteric practices would come immensely easily to you.

[Anonymous No.21820370]

>>21819549
>do people not just constantly imagine shit?
most people don't have an inner monologue

[Anonymous No.21820404]

>>21820370
Horseshit.

[Anonymous No.21820436]

>>21811328
This is literally just how to make a tulpa. Good luck anons. When the day comes when your monologue tulpa starts saying shit you don't like and you can't get it to shut up, remember you brought this on yourself. I suggest you learn to meditate (practice banishing) along side practices like this.

[Anonymous No.21820645]

>>21817616
This is a nice expression of how I feel as well. Nicely done anon.

[Anonymous No.21820902]

>>21811328
I'm on a desparate search, a quest even, to figure out how to heal me of this ailment.

Don't follow OP's advice.

[Anonymous No.21820914]

>>21816426
Teach me how. TEACH ME HOW.

[Anonymous No.21820925]

>>21820436
Can I use meditation to cure myself of this?

[Anonymous No.21821744]

>>21820925
I hear that if you get really good at it you can. At the very least you can make your inner monologue quiet down when you need to. Its helped me with the constantly hearing song lyrics over and over. Its a bit tough at first, start with a metronome along with breathing. It will give you something for your subconscious to work on while you focus on your breathing. Find an inhale exhale rhythm that is comfortable for you (my go to is 4 count in, 2 count hold, 4 count out, 2 count hold), count it out at first until it becomes second nature, and then once you have it focus just on the experience of breathing without counting. I started out doing it for 10 minutes a day and am now up to 20 and whenever I need a break from myself. Hopefully that helps.

[Anonymous No.21821893]

>>21811328
Thanks

[Anonymous No.21821940]

>>21820404
see
>>21812873

everyone assumes that their brain is the standard model.

[Anonymous No.21822047]

>>21821940
Very true. Seeing a lot of "grass is greener" mentality in this thread with people that don't have much inner monologue jealous of those that want to escape theres. Both have draw backs that can be addressed with work toward basically the same middle ground of being able to actively think coherently without your thoughts running away from you. But excess is always easier than the golden mean so I suspect many anons will eventually regret what ever direction they choose.

[Anonymous No.21822132]

>>21811832
It makes my fucking head hurt because it never stops

[Anonymous No.21822790]

>>21811328
>limitng your thoughts to language
nephew...

[Anonymous No.21823207]

>>21811328
this is a Tulpa thread

when the Tulpa takes over, you troon

the glowies know this

[Anonymous No.21823676]

>>21812201
>>21812365
>>21822132
Are you me?

On a completely unrelated note, I finished VALIS the other day. I turned on the radio afterwards and the announcer said it was the vernal equinox. Spooked me pretty good.

[Anonymous No.21824376]

>>21816691
that only happens to me when im high and trying to silence the inner monologue. I hear music instead.

I thought inner monologue was a natural thing everyone did. Maybe that's because i started reading at an early age?

[Anonymous No.21824509]

>>21811328
You watch fucking Riverdale?

[Anonymous No.21824622]

>>21824376
Its really irritating and weaves its way around my thoughts. Ive only been able to somewhat control it since I graduated college when I started making a real effort at meditation. But its always there first thing in the morning, often that early I just try to change it to a positive song.
>I thought inner monologue was a natural thing everyone did. Maybe that's because i started reading at an early age?
Its very common, to the point where there are whole societies that believe that being able to shut it of and "be present" is an enlightened state of being. But not everyone has it. I think it probably has more to do with your affinity for learning by listening vs watching at a young age. I suspect there is an inverse proportionality between strength of inner monologue and ability to mentally visualize. That being said, both skills can be cultivated and degenerated with practice.

[Anonymous No.21824649]

>>21811377
>>21811411
>>21811422
>>21811444
>>21812077
>>21813144
>>21813288
>>21814566
>>21816433
>>21817544
>>21818722
>>21821744
>>21824622
checked. kek approved post.

[Anonymous No.21824654]

Fine but who tf are these girls?

[Anonymous No.21824662]

>>21824622
>I suspect there is an inverse proportionality between strength of inner monologue and ability to mentally visualize
I doubt it. A lot of people with aphantasia also report having no inner voice. There may be cases of the opposite, silent seers, but they seem to be rare.

[Anonymous No.21824672]

>>21824654

[Anonymous No.21824687]

>>21824662
I doubt there are many people that are all and nothing types. Odds are people just rely on the stronger one. Im sure most people are probably 60/40 or 40/60 if we made a scale, but almost no one is 100/0, 0/100. If that makes sense. I am remembering a ted talk I watched when I was a teen about a lady who thought that people that are predominately visual thinkers are the next stage in human evolution. She designed cattle corals or something and claimed she was only able to accomplish the things she did because she wasn't distracted by an inner monologue and instead thought in pictures. She also made the claim that that is how animals think (which seems counter intuitive to the whole "next step in evolution" thing but what can you expect from a ted talk really).

[Anonymous No.21824692]

>>21824622
>But not everyone has it.
What confuses me is in some cases i dont see a difference between an inner monologue and simply thinking like for example if you need to buy bread..
>i need to buy bread
how would someone without an inner monologue think about this? Are they just picturing it visually buying bread?

[Anonymous No.21824713]

>>21824692
Have you ever looked into speed reading? Its all about understanding without subvocalizing. The information come like an impulse (maybe working subconsciously? who really knows). Thats the power of wu wei baby! But apparently yes, there are also some people that literally think in silent movies basically (according to them).

[Anonymous No.21824714]

>>21824687
Temple Grandin, Thinking in Pictures.
She's the mega autist who invented the hug box. I'd take her views on evolution with a grain of salt, since there's no way she reproduced.

But again, it's not a ratio adding up to 100%. Some people are great visualizers with an inner monologue, others have nothing at all. Some people have weird shit like multiple threads of consciousness going at the same time.

[Anonymous No.21824721]

>>21824692
It's so alien that it's hard to imagine. But think about the times you've been in a car accident, or a fist fight, or just dropped something accidentally. Lots of thoughts come to you in a flash before you can internally verbalize them.

[Anonymous No.21824743]

>>21824713
>Have you ever looked into speed reading? Its all about understanding without subvocalizing
I have but i guess i absorb information so much better going slower. I wouldnt say i ever think solely in images but vague images often accompany my thoughts, for them to be clear i have to concentrate.

>>21824721
Makes total sense. I guess i never thought of the images i "see" as thoughts. Truly fascinating. Sometimes when i close my eyes at night i can concentrate and "watch movies" of thoughts play through my mind. Usually when they are unbidden they are extremely obtrusive.

[Anonymous No.21824748]

I just realized i forgot that i used to day dream. wtf have i dont to my brain.

[Anonymous No.21824749]

No seriously who the fuck are these girls

[Anonymous No.21824755]

>>21824743
>I guess i never thought of the images i "see" as thoughts.
It's why Aristotle said we never think without an image.

[Anonymous No.21824756]

>>21824749
Are you retarded?
>>21824672

[Anonymous No.21824766]

>>21824714
Thats fair. I suppose the starting point matters most. And now that I think about it a bit more there is probably a method to cultivate both simultaneously that I haven't considered and there is the third way of thinking in impulse or a kind of wu wei thing. And who knows, its possible that we only think in those ways because sight and hearing are our dominant faculties of interpreting information. I wonder if there are any people out there with an exceptional sense of smell that has a bit of their thought in smell. I wonder if some animals like hound dogs think in smell. I wonder if worms think in physical sensation of touch. I wonder if any of those methods of thinking could be cultivated in man to be as powerful as visualization and inner monologues seem to be. Of course this whole conversation is speculation and none of it should be taken seriously, nor does it really have much bearing on anything.

[Anonymous No.21824779]

>>21824687
>She also made the claim that that is how animals think (which seems counter intuitive to the whole "next step in evolution" thing but what can you expect from a ted talk really).
It's not actually counter-intuitive. Think of an ant colony versus a tiger. Most of the ants are subjects and only need to carry out orders transmitted verbally to support the colony and maintain cohesion (only analogically of course). Linguistic thinking is excellent for assessing what others need and assisting them, communicating thoughts. The fact that animals are visual thinkers doesn't imply it's not the superior way of thought, it just implies their faculty of thought is still not as developed and that they are not as social.

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>>21824766
I wonder what is the reality of a trout. Possibly just hanging around a grey netherworld where they can physically feel temperatures and currents and disturbances. They can vaguely seen outlines blurred against the daylight up above.
What would it be like to get yanked out of that reality and into the open air?
Surely they have no thoughts but do they sense instincts in images? Instinct without thought? I guess that's what it's like to need to bust a nut in a tight pussy idk dont need to think about that one as a human just have an insane urge.

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>>21824779
Right but as far as the next step in evolution should be a step that makes us better at surviving than the previous iteration of man, that step being a method of thinking performed by species that are demonstrably worse at surviving is a bit strange. I would call it a tangential step or if you will a variation. Not the next step. But who knows, maybe visual thinking does make survival easier and our social set up as a species just doesn't allow that to be as obvious as it would be if we were still fighting for survival like old hunter gatherers.

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>>21824785
>Surely they have no thoughts
At least not as we understand them. But then again, to their conception, we don't have thoughts (fish concepts lol). It is very strange. We can only speculate. Its one of my favorite things to do. I wonder what role muscle memory plays in worms that think in physical sensation (if they do). Any way I don't want to fill up this thread in idol speculation.

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>>21824815
>fish concepts
bloop bloop

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Love you guys. Thanks for writing on this thread.