/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21799467]

Books for people struggling with addiction?
Before I started this shit I read alot so I don't need entry-level stuff.

[Anonymous No.21799482]

I'm addicted to caffeine and trying to quit is actually really difficult because it makes me feel suicidal for weeks and then if I relapse the cycle starts again

[Anonymous No.21799491]

>>21799467
Just start writing about your struggles. You'll start to realize how boring your life really is and find meaning instead of drugs

[Anonymous No.21799492]

>>21799482
dawg caffeine is one of the least destructive addictions. Just drink tea and taper down if you want to get off it altogether. I'm addicted a legal opiate.

[Anonymous No.21799494]

>>21799491
that's a good idea. I haven't written anything in months but I used to write daily.

[Anonymous No.21799509]

>>21799492
It's just the most socially acceptable addiction. In terms of it's effect, it's a destructive drug for cattle. It's turn you into a delusional idealist capable of withstanding the most grotesque living conditions. I despise caffeine, and I despise the 90% of adults on the planet who consume it daily.

[Anonymous No.21799525]

i always confuse kratom with jenkem

[Anonymous No.21799539]

>>21799467
Infinite Jest (i am being serious)

[Anonymous No.21799541]

>>21799509
Maybe so but
>turn you into a delusional idealist capable of withstanding the most grotesque living conditions
Doesn't sound too bad. Sounds better than being a sensitive pessimist. Also I would look for other reasons why you have contempt for most caffeine consumers. I think diet has more to do with sensibility than caffeine use.
>>21799525
That's ironic considering that if you do kratom you can't shit at all for sometimes days at a time.

[Anonymous No.21799551]

>>21799539
That's a good one. Haven't read it since high school Might reread. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.21799576]

>>21799541
I hate them for the same reason I hate enlightenment faggots, the spiritual cancer that destroyed humanity. Only an individual cooked out of his mind on poisonous beans from Africa could dream up something so delusional as Kant's moral system or the French Revolution or any of the other horrible strains of thought this of the slave drug has produced.

[Anonymous No.21799587]

>>21799576
Maybe so. I also hate the enlightenment and all the shit happened around the time coffee was popularized in the west and all those guys drank it. Also thanks for not calling me a druggie degenerate. You seem like the type who would so thanks.

[Anonymous No.21799594]

>>21799576
not just poisonous beans from africa but sot-weed from the american colonies

[Anonymous No.21799646]

>>21799482
This is me with tobacco. Tea is really useful for quitting this mud water though, like the other anon pointed out.
Just remember you live in an insane world so a drug addiction or two at the minimum are essentially required, doubly so if you plan on doing anything within the complex insanity of modern society and its normalfag regulators. Stimulants are a necessity.

[Anonymous No.21799689]

>>21799467
How much do you do op. I kicked a20 gpd habit last year. Was intense.

[Anonymous No.21799696]

start browsing r/quittinkratom and get redpilled on r/kratom being run by kratom vendors who want everyone to believe it's a perfectly safe drug to take
it's basically just shitty percocets and I greatly regret ever getting into it in the past but I'd say I'm over the addiction ever since covid happened

[Anonymous No.21799714]

No book recs, but do a slow taper over a couple months. It's not too bad to quit then. Remember, if you end up upping your dose again, it just means you had a rough day/week. You can always taper down again. PAWS are overrated ime, just recognize you won't be your best self for a month or two after being clean.

[Anonymous No.21799727]

>>21799467
Infinite Jest

[Anonymous No.21799733]

>>21799467
Diary of a Drug Fiend

[Anonymous No.21799767]

>>21799467
Literally how the fuck can you possibly get addicted to kratom?
I took it for years daily for pain relief then stopped cold without problems. It's been six months and I still sometimes wish I had some but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.21799930]

>>21799467
>Dhammapada
What it comes down to is asking prior "Who enjoys this? If I don't have this, will I drop dead? What am I avoiding here? WHO wants THIS? Why do THEY need it NOW?" The answer is generally silly. Even if you do succumb, you're at least not doing so reflexively and un/preconsciously.

>>21799482
>I'm addicted to caffeine
Caffeine saps vitamin B1. B1 deficiency by itself induces shakes, broken concentration, anxiety ect. B1 supplementation is used to treat ADD type issues, anxiety, and insomnia (restless leg syndrome, racing thoughts).

Not all teas are made equal. Some have more caffeine antagonists than others (like yerba mate). Butter/'bullet proof' coffee with the additional fats can help slow absorption as well.

>>21799492
It's habit forming and deleterious is large amounts, same as marijuana. Diminishing returns and all that.

>>21799576
>I hate Kant so much it's unreal bros

[Anonymous No.21799935]

>>21799930
>caffeine antagonists
k

good call w the dhammapada tho

[Anonymous No.21799947]

>>21799467
These two resources helped me out a lot:
Complex PTSD by Pete Walker

https://courses.crappychildhoodfairy.com/daily-practice

Addiction is a coping mechanism for unmet childhood needs. The person who is addicted, is a control freak who is resentful and hurt about being rejected/unwanted/uncared by parent in early childhood. Even if your parents technically "loved" you, but had their own unaddressed mental health issues, the child takes it on automatically.

The main problem is a dysregulated nervous system, causing shame, guilt, anxiety, etc. Addiction to a substance or behaviour, serves as a tool to reduce anxiety and the other negative emotions. People who are addicted even to self harm like cutting, do it in order to feel alive. Because when you are in pain, you know you are alive. This kind of pain also reduces negative emotions. The person who is an addict, is basically dead inside and wants to feel like a human being again.

Would also suggest you attend Alcoholic Anonymous or rehab groups specifally catered to the addiction you're dealing with.

[Anonymous No.21799958]

I'm not addicted I just like the bitter taste of the roasted beans masked under creams sugars and frothy milk

[Anonymous No.21800060]

>>21799696
It's physically impossible to overdose on kratom, it doesn't cause respiratory depression which is what makes opiates lethal, and withdrawal feels like a minor cold, kratom is incredibly safe.

[Anonymous No.21800075]

>>21799467
What you need to know about addiction is that internal documents from AA shows they have the same results as people quitting on their own. You either choose to quit or you don’t. What the trigger for you is I can’t say, a lot of people describe some rock bottom moment but what it is varies a lot. The fundamental truth that nobody wants to hear is that there are no shortcuts. You just do it. Taper down or cold turkey, replacement activity or group sessions, it all comes out the same. You have to want to change. The rest is cope.

[Anonymous No.21800284]

>>21800060
It doesn't even get you fucked up. Kratom is retarded.

[Anonymous No.21800288]

>>21799467
>>21799482
>addicted to kratom and caffeine
You fucking giant pussies

[Anonymous No.21800295]

>>21800288
>T. Junkie

[Anonymous No.21800763]

>>21800060
withdrawal can get pretty bad when you've been on it for a while

[Anonymous No.21800768]

I'm addicted to kratom too op. I've quit before cold turkey from a kilo/week habit and the withdrawals were absolute hell for me. I'm back taking it again but in less extreme amounts. Id suggest that if you quit (depending on how much you take) to taper off before you quit entirely if you have the willpower.

[Anonymous No.21800793]

>>21799714
>PAWS are overrated ime
I'm the poster who quit from a kilo/week and I agree with this. I've read people's accounts of paws including suicidal thoughts and months of depression among other things but for me only the beginning was bad. After the 5th day I felt almost entirely back to normal physically and psychologically. Of course not everyone will have the same experience but I would say for I'm to not let others descriptions of the paws scare him off because they could be very minor like they have been for many of us.

[Anonymous No.21800800]

Why are there no harmless drugs?

[Anonymous No.21800811]

>>21800793
The underlying dependency can exacerbate and extend symptoms, we bullshit ourselves into seeking more drugs. Its like people who quit a weed habit, most are bummed and bitchy for a few days while some have some underlying depression and can't cope with other issues so they psych themselves into a protracted withdrawal.

[Anonymous No.21800815]

>>21799482
>>21799492
Both of you are faggots. Get addicted to real drugs if you're going to go on the internet and cry about it.

[Anonymous No.21800819]

>>21800815
>Get addicted to real drugs
Excellent suggestion, thank you

[Anonymous No.21800825]

Read AA books. Forreal

[Anonymous No.21800827]

>>21800819
What are you going to get addicted to now? Fucking cigarettes? Wow, who would've thought? How are you going to kick such an insidious addiction? Literally just stop making your gay tea and do something else with your time. That's it, you're cured.

[Anonymous No.21800828]

>>21800811
I believe this is all 100% true and I'm pretty certain I'm very prone to what you're decribing.

[Anonymous No.21800885]

>>21800828
One alternative theory of addiction is that other than quantifiable physical withdrawal symptoms, addiction and dependency don't exist. It's very real but seems to be symptoms of something else, >>21799947 touches on one causal factor. >>21800075 is also partially correct in that one has to realize that this is the pattern of behavior in order to break the habit. It doesn't fix anything but being aware of it makes falling for your own bullshit a little bit harder to do.

[Anonymous No.21800950]

>>21800885
Why do you have all this knowledge about addiction if you don't mind me asking? This is all very interesting to me and I appreciate you sharing.

[Anonymous No.21800956]

The Bible

[Anonymous No.21800976]

>>21799509
>the most socially acceptable addiction
That'd be The Male Gaze or masturbation, respectively

[Anonymous No.21801018]

>>21800950
I have a lot of trauma and issues and drugs are one way of not coping or doing anything about it. In attempting to not feel awful all the time, you do a lot of reading and thinking. I'd go as far as to say that the only well-read people I know IRL are or were addicts of some sort. No one else really has the impetus to dig deep and try to understand why and how they got so fucked up and maybe how to get out of it. Or just the escapism, a lot of comics readers were junkies.

[Anonymous No.21801690]

>>21800800
Drugs are harmless if you take small quantities at regular intervals of weeks or months.
The problem is that people tend to abuse them, mostly due to psychological problems since drugs interact with dopamine-releasing neurons. This leads to addiction because you conditioned your brain to associate drugs with a good time.
Also the more you take drugs, the more it binds with your neurons thus desensitizing the effects. At this point you either quit and suffer withdrawal symptoms which feel Hell on Earth or you risk overdosing it.

[Anonymous No.21801719]

>>21799467
What is Kratom anyway? This one passed me by during my drug addict phase as a youngster.

ksssh
>>21799482
>addicted to caffeine
ive found this thing that's really useful, mm, now im gonna qut it for no reason! cos peer pressure ays quitin' stuff is gud! ow my brain! ow my nervous system!

[Anonymous No.21801731]

>>21800956
>The Bible
"male gazers, man-spreaders, holders open of doors, such were ye! then ye washed yourselves!"

[Anonymous No.21801760]

>>21801719
Kratom is basically natural buprenorphine plus some caffeine/theophylline and some mild NMDA antagonism. It adds up to be like a weird blend of shitty methadone and coffee that you can't OD on, but doesn't tend to lead to dose escalation without addictive mentalities in the first place. Great for people who can't cope quitting H or pills, if you're not an addict it's a nice alternative to alcohol for socializing, but it's still an opioid.

[Anonymous No.21801770]

>>21799714
>just recognize you won't be your best self for a month or two after being clean
But what if it's not just for one month or two, but a lifetime? This is the driving factor behind all my addictions. I'm afraid I've made certain drugs part of my metabolism and after quitting (like I did once for 3 months) I will be someone worse, lesser, unrecognizable. I've quit some legitimately harmful addictions (substance abuse) successfully but there are just two I can't seem to get rid of.

[Anonymous No.21801799]

>>21801770
Well, I'm finally clean from everything but weed, am not my best self, and never have been. That's life, though. Some of us have to struggle more just to get by, and if that means struggling with the side effects of drugs and keeping from escalating rather than struggling with sobriety, that's your choice. Nobody's really trapped in addiction any more than everybody's trapped in habit and society. I don't say this to imply that it wouldn't be more ideal to be able to just quit, but if you feel you can't, you won't, so it doesn't matter. Focus on the here and now, focus on art, and the people in your life, focus on spirituality or religion if that's how your brain works. Some people live full lives as heroin junkies, some have to quit, and some just OD. It's up to you, every minute of every day, to live the life you want. If you don't want your addictions, you will find a way past them. Don't believe the doubter who insists you're a lost cause, that you've grown allergic to your own humanity. You can always grow.

[Anonymous No.21801840]

>>21799467
At one point I was eating a kilo of this shit a week. Detoxing blows but you just have to go through it. I had to taper, but once I got to the point where it was possible, I stopped cold turkey. You might not sleep for a few days but it won't kill you. People talk about exercise or whatever, but you already know what will work for you.

If it were that simple though, no one would ever relapse. It's PAWS that gets you. The sort of sinking feeling that nothing will feel right again. This part lasts about 90 days. You can't eat a kilo of kratom a week without a lot of discomfort and self-loathing, so the depression of PAWS didn't really change my mindset much. At that point I was completely disgusted with kratom and if being miserable for the rest of my life was the price I had to pay to get off then I was prepared to accept it. Gradually I began to feel better, and in retrospect detoxing and withdrawal is now just a regrettable blip in my memory.

In terms of helpful literature: Alan Carr's Easy Way to Quit Smoking talks a lot about the mechanics of addiction. I found myself re-reading a lot of old favorites from my youth (House of the Scorpion, Ella Enchanted) because nostalgia was one of the few positive feelings I could experience in PAWS.

[Anonymous No.21802053]

>>21799576
kant didn't drink coffee til he was old and senile. shows how much you know

[Anonymous No.21802384]

>>21799467
Are you also addicted to kratom? The withdrawals are actually pretty gnarly. Haven't been able to quite since taking it up for daily use 8 months ago. Most I've gone is a few days. Then I just get bored and use it again. Helps me to exercise and be social, but I have a hard time getting hard on it.

[Anonymous No.21802389]

>>21802384
meditate moar

[Anonymous No.21802404]

>>21802389
>just meditate more bro!
White "person" moment

[Anonymous No.21802409]

>>21802404
>learned helplessness

[Anonymous No.21802435]

>>21802384
>The withdrawals are actually pretty gnarly
Any tips for how to make them more tolerable? Did you try anything that was effective at easing any of the symptoms?

[Anonymous No.21802459]

>>21799467
What's the deal with kratom? When I read about the effects it just seems kinda boring but I have some acquaintances who do it daily and are probably addicted

[Anonymous No.21802490]

>>21802459
I would compare it to a low dose of norco or something. Like a light opiod feeling. Until the tolerance builds up and the doses grow and addiction sets in, then it doesn't really do anything except prevent the bad feelings that not taking it causes.

[Anonymous No.21802506]

It's quite a coincidence to see this thread today. I took this coming week off work to detox and finally get off the stuff for good. Roughly 75 grams per day so I've definitely got a rough time ahead of me. Wish me luck bros

[Anonymous No.21802552]

>>21802459
It's like a light opioid. One gets addicted as a result of the euphoria and energy they get from using it. The withdrawals aren't as bad as actual heroin of course, but it can still get bad. I would advise against using it, as you will eventually get to a point where you don't feel you can function without it, which combined with the withdrawals (restless leg syndrome, hot flashes, insomnia, cold sweats, feeling like your bones are on fire), compels you to just stay on it forever. Don't risk it.

[Anonymous No.21802601]

For me reading about the Cynics helped me feel like a huge pussy being substance dependent and helped to motivate me to quit for freedoms sake. The less you need the more joyful life becomes.

[Anonymous No.21802979]

>>21802459
https://old.reddit.com/r/quittingkratom/comments/55vcm7/a_eulogy_for_kratom/

This is the best description I've ever read, not just of kratom but the actual process of habituation. I've heard this specific type of metaphor used a lot to refer to kratom, people saying they felt like they were back in their favorite childhood memory, so I always describe it as feeling nostalgic for the moment you're living right now. It's basically peak mindfulness, which is why people recommend meditation to help quit but meditating during detox would be torture.

I also wouldn't recommend a complete stranger to try it, and I'm not going to mess with it again, but there are people who can use it without becoming helplessly hooked. I went months after the first time I tried it before I used it again, and then there was a two month period of occasional use where I probably could have kicked it without much trouble. I was up to over 100 grams per day at one point and years later I don't even really think about it. Posts like these always get me missing the first time I tried it, but I soothe these cravings by reading posts from people who are addicted or withdrawing from kratom and congratulating myself for being better than them.

[Anonymous No.21803072]

>>21802979
>congratulating myself for being better than them
>was also addicted to kratom
lmao why are people who post cope on 4chan all day simaltenously so arrogant?

[Anonymous No.21803265]

>>21803072
Yes, I am better than them. I post an update to my success story every year on r/quittingkratom and they all tell me how jealous they are. No one is jealous of a person who is worse than them.

[Anonymous No.21803284]

it's crazy that there was so little info on kratom addiction back in 2016 when I first heard about it and now every time it's mentioned, there's a ton of people sharing stories of overcoming a kratom addiction
it's such a gay drug

[Anonymous No.21803292]

>>21802979
You seem like an asshole.

[Anonymous No.21803633]

>>21802979
How do you do 100 grams a day? Literally the mechanics of that are insane, my dosage is like 15 grams and I have to take 8 pills (which I take time to press by the hundred because drinking it in volumes that would get me high is nearly impossible without vomiting). I flat out don't believe you, you must be a fed or something, you would have no time to do anything at all, and for the price of that amount of kratom you may as well just cut to the chase and do heroin.

[Anonymous No.21803656]

>>21803633
Oblate discs/rice paper or toss n wash

[Anonymous No.21804445]

>>21803633
Toss and wash a 5 gram spoonful, then.a second then a third. There's 15 grams within 1 minute. Then just repeat that 3 shot doseage regularly throughout the day and evening. Tolerance is a factor.

[Anonymous No.21804529]

>>21799482
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.21804590]

>>21800800
Exercise
ASMR

[Anonymous No.21804613]

>>21803265
Those guys are complete retards. Being *addicted* to kratom is like being *addicted* to energy drinks.

[Anonymous No.21804640]

>>21799576
That's the funniest thing I have read today, thanks.

[Anonymous No.21804641]

>>21801719
>ive found this thing that's really useful

Hello jew

[Anonymous No.21805697]

>>21803633
>>21804445
I was actually way under-reporting my usage. Nobody ever believes me when I tell them how much I used to take. I would wake up, take three heaping tablespoons. Have my coffee and get ready for work, and then three heaping tablespoons before I was out the door. Three tablespoons upon arriving at work, three at break, three at lunch, afternoon break, out the door, arrive at home, before my shower, at bedtime, and then I'd usually wake up and dose at some point in the night. If anything upset or annoyed me throughout the day I would attribute it to kratom withdrawal and take a tablespoon. But I was only on this regimen for the last month. I was addicted for a total of 18 months. Six months at a reasonable dose, six months at a kilo a month, then a kilo a week, and then finally like two kilos a week, with occasional emergency runs for bottles of capsules. On r/quittingkratom you hear of people taking equivalent doses in concentrate form, so the only truly absurd element of my story is that I chose to keep eating the normal stuff.

[Anonymous No.21805782]

>>21805697
I believe ya anon. I got up to 50-60/g per day at one point. It's really easy for usage to creep up because of how rapidly tolerance builds.

I'm currently tapering and around 22g/day, planning to cold turkey once I get into the single digits. I used Kratom to get off harder opioids and honestly it was a godsend for staying off full agonists. Definitely still a shitty opioid though and I really want freedom from substances in general.

The only people I recommend Kratom to are opioid addicts trying to quit harder shit. I always warn opioid naive folks away from Kratom, it's absolutely addictive as fuck. Kratom has a bunch of off-target non opioid pharmacology too like anticholinergic, serotogenic, and dopaminergic effects which makes it more than a typical opioid withdrawal experience which is why I generally recommend people taper down to quit if they've used for a prolonged period of time.

[Anonymous No.21805924]

I have a fondness I get from finding something novel online and I'm hooked on the dopamine loop (youtube, 4chan etc). Are there any books that I can either learn something I can use in my everyday life or something that can neutralize my internet addiction?

[Anonymous No.21805931]

>>21805924
Meditate and read easy books like King or Grisham. It's literally just habits, read that self-help book about them. Get out of the novelty loop, and focus on something.

[Anonymous No.21805966]

>>21805697
This is almost exactly the same as my daily dosing regiment. I take 3 less tablespoons throughout the work day but 3 more at night, other than that it's identical.

[Anonymous No.21806126]

>>21804641
hehe hey there aryan ubermensch, your enslaved countrywomen, the sex slaves of israel, send their regards

[Anonymous No.21806133]

>>21805924
literally get a life.

[Anonymous No.21807175]

>>21799767
If you're taking it for a legitimate reason its probably easier. OP probably just does it recreationally or for some made up problem like "anxiety".
>t. currently on ~5g red maeng da

[Anonymous No.21807248]

>>21799482
I tapered down to green tea. Its good for your test and you can still get coffee with people you just order tea.

[Anonymous No.21807989]

I haven’t done any drugs in ten years but kratom was the absolute hardest addiction to break and left me with physical issues even ten years later.

I took it for years- it was hard to break, I needed klonopin for the extreme shakes and physical anxiety symptoms. To this day my stomach and liver still haven’t recovered. And I can only drink fucking decaf coffee- if I have anything with a hint of stimulant in it I curl up into a ball and exit the universe. I was addicted to heroin initially, and kicked it three times before deciding to switch to kratom- trust me the fucking kratom was harder to kick. Granted, I abused the hell out of it- so please don’t do that.

[Anonymous No.21809351]

>>21805966
Yeah but on the flipside it's impossible to take that much without becoming completely disgusted by the stuff. At a certain point you just don't want to ever take kratom again and you'll suffer through anything to make that happen.

[Anonymous No.21809429]

>>21809351
That's where I'm at now. It's been 16 hours since my last dose and I'm anxiously waiting for the hell to begin.

[Anonymous No.21809896]

I do 3g of Kratom once a week and whenever my bag runs out I take a 3-4 month break. Why is this so hard for you people?

[Anonymous No.21809902]

Question for you like 10g+ a day users - how the fuck do you stomach drinking that shit multiple times a day? What's your secret? It tastes fucking repulsive and is like drinking sand.

[Anonymous No.21809921]

>>21809902
It's just leaves, beyond the taste.

[Anonymous No.21809925]

>>21809921
Do you just get used to it? I'm a very casual user and cant take it without gagging. Not sure if there was some secret to make it palatable.

[Anonymous No.21809932]

>>21809925
Yeah, basically. Still gag-inducing, but you get used to suppressing it. Highly recommend rice paper or oblate discs.

[Anonymous No.21809978]

>>21809902
You put an ounce or two of water into a cup, then drop a scoop of the kratom into the water. Then you take a bit of regular water into your mouth, then toss the cup of water w/kratom into your mouth and quickly swallow it down then have another drink of regular water to wash it down. If done correctly the kratom never even really touches the inside of your mouth and you avoid tasting it at all.

[Anonymous No.21809987]

>>21809978
if done incorrectly, instant projectile vomit tho

[Anonymous No.21810015]

>>21809987
Depends on the person I guess. I've never found the taste to be too intolerable. Kind of like a tea except more bitter.

[Anonymous No.21810017]

>>21810015
Its more of an unpleasantness than anything. If you trick your brain you can kind of believe it's matcha or something. It's mostly the grittyness

[Anonymous No.21810029]

>>21810015
it's really the hydrophobic powder coating my throat more than the taste that keeps me from tossing it

[Anonymous No.21810034]

idk but i could use it
>used to buy kratom off amazon in the early 10s
>body gets sick of the taste and i quit
>doctor gives me vyvanse and i get addicted to speed
>red bull + vyvanse + coffee everyday
>almost die
>6 months after being sober get addicted to taking acid 3-4 times a week
>crash my moms car by hitting deer tripping balls one night
>get sober again
>friend starts selling weed and gives me a ton for free
>get introduced to blunts and i start smoking every hour up until bedtime and repeat
>girl im dating smokes cigs and i get into it
>2 years straight i smoke pack of cigs a day and go thru oz of weed in a week
>taper it down to a vape and i smoke weed once a day
>thinking about getting into drinking due to /tv/ comfy drunk threads

[Anonymous No.21810388]

>>21800800
Weed. Look at snoop dog; he's been puffing since his youth and can free style fresher than any /lit/ulectual. The schizophrenia risk is low across the population and the IQ loss is anecdotal.

[Anonymous No.21810391]

>>21800800
kava

[Anonymous No.21810407]

>>21799467
My wife has an alcohol addiction and I don't know how to come clean to her about it. Ples recommend books.

[Anonymous No.21810418]

>>21810388
Snoop is based and probably has more gray matter than any of the retards on this board, he can afford to lose a little.

[Anonymous No.21810426]

>>21810034
>thinking about getting into drinking
You, in particular, should not drink. Anyone who can get addicted to acid (how? After I trip I never want to touch the stuff for a few months at least) is hardwired for chemical dependence. Alcohol will destroy you.

>>21802979
See after reading that it still sounds boring as fuck. But then again even real opiates don't do much for me. My wife got some percocets after a surgery, she didn't want them so I kept them to do recreationally. Took me years to get through the bottle. It's a nice feeling but not really a unique or interesting one, for me. Whereas whenever I get my hands on some speed I can't keep it around for a week.

[Anonymous No.21810431]

>>21810407
I feel like I'm tripping balls looking at this fucker's fucked up face. This is the oddest-looking human being I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.21810443]

>>21810426
Opioid addiction is a lot like weed addiction. People like it, but not /that/ much, so they assume they can lean on it unhealthily without become addicted. The people who shoot for a nod 24/7 all probably have PTSD or something. It's not like stimulant abuse.

[Anonymous No.21810507]

I'm quitting caffeine and nicotine cold turkey tomorrow and I don't care what anyone has to say about it. Fuck addiction bros.

[Anonymous No.21810516]

>>21810507
Hope the migraine doesn't kill you. GL pal

[Anonymous No.21810535]

>>21810431
That's called "female to male."

[Anonymous No.21810546]

>>21810516
I wish I had some oxycotin but I'm gonna have to rely on ibuprofen + acetaminophen + dudeweed

Once the headache stops I'll drop the DUDE

[Anonymous No.21810550]

>>21810546
A microdose of psilocybin or acid might help, too, if you have any on hand.

[Anonymous No.21810595]

>>21810546
>quitting caffeine and cigs cuz "fuck addiction"
>wish you had oxy
>gonna smoke weed to cope
lol

[Anonymous No.21810633]

>>21810595
>using any drug ever is addiction

[Anonymous No.21810643]

>>21810633
It's not, but you're clearly just shuffling substances around so you don't feel "too addicted" to any one of them. I know cuz I've done it too. And for caffeine, no less. Probably the most anodyne addiction out there.

[Anonymous No.21810655]

I'm not addicted to any one substance but I realized I am addicted to the dopamine spikes
>Use Kratom once a week or so
>Use phenibut once a week or so
>Drink once a week or so
>Watch porn once a week or so
I can cut out any one of these and have no issue but if I try to cut them all out I start going crazy. Not in a fiendy kind of way, more like in a listless boredom kind of way.
How do I solve this?

[Anonymous No.21810658]

>>21810546
Alpha GPC restores choline and stops caffeine induced headaches caused by choline depletion, I don't know about withdrawal.

[Anonymous No.21810663]

>>21810655
Just get a life? Those habits aren't hurting you in the short term, so use the time where you aren't using them all daily to make real habits and relationships.

[Anonymous No.21810677]

>>21810655
Hobbies
Your drug/porn usage is fairly innocuous
I'd cut out the phenibut though, that stuffs poison

[Anonymous No.21810792]

>>21810643
I'm an athlete and the stimulants kill my cardio
>>21810658
>choline
I've taken lecithin before. Crazy fuckin dreams. Might try it again. Or just eat eggs and s o y straight up

[Anonymous No.21811654]

>>21810655
this is me but drinking 3 cups of coffee, smoking at least a cigarette a day, taking kratom every 2-3 days, watching porn intermittently (really want to quit porn), and having a couple beers every other day. I can't quit anything and the frequency with which i use them just increases.

[Anonymous No.21811956]

>>21799958
?
I have like 4 or 5 cups a week and good coffee is absolutely delicious. They make perfume and cakes out of this shit. You just have shitty pleb taste.

[Anonymous No.21812097]

>>21811956
It tastes delicious when you are addicted. Stop drinking it for 2 months and then have a cup and you will realize it tastes like utter dog shit.
Nobody would ever drink coffee if there was no caffeine in it.

[Anonymous No.21812117]

>>21812097
>Nobody would ever drink coffee if there was no caffeine in it.
Explain decaf

[Anonymous No.21812123]

>>21812117
It still has caffeine in it, just less than a regular coffee. It's like those people who get addicted to nicotine gum, just a cope for the addict brain.

[Anonymous No.21812348]

>>21812097
I don’t know it tastes alright. I probably haven’t had a coffee once this year yet, and could have one and I’m sure I wouldn’t mind it. I always have my coffee black too.

[Anonymous No.21812460]

>>21812123
Decaf has 1/3rd the caffeine of a coke, sugar addict. It's about 9mg decaf /200mg regular. I think you just have completely goyslop fried tastebuds.

[Anonymous No.21812495]

>>21812117
>>21812460
Kinda like alcohol free beer for alcoholics. It technically has alcohol, but nothing to write home about.

[Anonymous No.21812583]

>>21812460
There's nothing more goyslop than caffeine consumption you utter slave. There's a reason they serve that poison in every work place on the planet

[Anonymous No.21812766]

>>21812583
Ok fatty

[Anonymous No.21812845]

>>21810431
He's just fat but has good bone structure underneath the 50 extra pounds.

[Anonymous No.21814028]

>>21799467
I take massive amounts of Kratom, and I should probably stop. But damn I'm going to miss have the largest, most healthiest shits of my life. Perfectly scheduled and no constipation. It's seriously unbelievable. I suppose it's mostly fiber, after all.

[Anonymous No.21814074]

>>21799482
>I'm addicted to caffeine

[Anonymous No.21814079]

>>21810507
Any updates senpai?

[Anonymous No.21814107]

>>21802384
>Are you also addicted to kratom?
no

[Anonymous No.21815368]

>>21800800
No such thing as a free lunch. You are essentially using neurotransmitters meant for a long period of time and using them all at once or " borrowing happiness from tomorrow".

[Anonymous No.21815388]

>>21799467
Dear god I hate kratom. Parents pushed it on me when I was still in high school since they owned some herbal tea online shop. Been over 10 years of green sludge every day because I'm a pussy and can't handle withdrawals.

[Anonymous No.21815418]

>>21807989
>trust me the fucking kratom was harder to kick.

I kind of agree. I've heard people say coming off Kratom is like kicking an opiate, a benzo, a stimulant and an anti-depressant all at once. It might not be as extreme as heroin withdrawal but it is more complex and can fuck with your mind more.

[Anonymous No.21815475]

>>21815388
that's fucked up i guess those people really believe their bullshit. Used to take it every day in work release and it made me nauseated and never got me high two day sin a row.

[Anonymous No.21815504]

>>21799467
Is matcha green tea seriously that addicting?

[Anonymous No.21815524]

>>21815475
I don't hold it against them, they were just ignorant, neither of them were druggies they didn't even smoke pot. It wasn't like, "hey son, get high!" it was more like "check out this new product we got, it really works! so calming blah blah" and it was easy to overuse it because we had hundreds of kilos around the house at any time. They both became addicted too. So it goes.

[Anonymous No.21815973]

>>21815418
Yeah no
I've had serious heroin, fentanyl, suboxone, all benzos even the strong rc ones with seizure inducing withdrawals. And done alot of meth and far stronger rc stims (the only 'kicking' is hard crash if you don't have downers)
Kratom withdrawals aren't fun but are nowhere near the same tier of any of the rest of thsy.

[Anonymous No.21816362]

>>21815973
I am sober alcoholic and worked at a rehab for years and extended suboxone was the worst withdrawals I have ever seen in my life. The retards who take that shit for years at a time instead of doing a taper end up having to then ween down for years and years at a time. Methadone was similar to the point we wouldn't even try to take them once they were on a high extended dose.

[Anonymous No.21816369]

>>21815524
There are much worse substances to be addicted to

>>21816362
Most people on subs are probably on h too

[Anonymous No.21816374]

>>21816369
I'm talking about people who were prescribed suboxone by an addiction doctor and using it for 2 years not people buying it from dealers who trade for that.

[Anonymous No.21816388]

>>21816374
In my experience people who use subs are "recovering" addicts who never really quit and often sell the subs to support their habit but im sure these people were drug tested...

[Anonymous No.21816425]

>>21816388
Well suboxone has noloxone in it so you really can't use both. If you try taking heroin without waiting the 48 hours you go into precipitative withdrawls. Subutex you can.

[Anonymous No.21816682]

>>21815973
I had some morphine and methadone lying around for awhile from when my dad was sick. It didn't do anything to help kratom withdrawal, only kratom could make it go away. There's definitely something else going on with it. It has like 100 different active chemicals in it which makes the withdrawals weird and really shitty.

Remind me never to try any other bullshit drugs, cuz if its worse than this I'd probably kill myself.

[Anonymous No.21816766]

>>21799482
Just take green ou black tea, you giant fucking faggot. I

[Anonymous No.21816786]

>>21816682
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Central-nervous-system-receptor-binding-data-for-mitragynine-Percentage-inhibition-of_tbl1_5959769

There's definitely more going on with the alkaloids in Kratom pharmacologically than opioid agonism.

[Anonymous No.21816792]

>>21816425
This is a myth. Precipitated withdrawal occurs from partial agonist activity of buprenorphine and a significantly lower intrinsic activity compared to full agonists. Subutex will still cause precipitated withdrawl, it has nothing to do with the naloxone.

[Anonymous No.21817908]

>>21809978
>>21809902
Pour water or a drink in your mouth FIRST

Tilt your head back, keeping the drink in the back of your mouth (don’t drink it yet).

Put a scoop/spoon of kratom in and have a bottled drink ready to then quickly wash it down. You need fluid “BEHIND” and “IN FRONT” of the kratom. Take the second part of the drink to swallow it down, take more or a chaser if you want to get rid of any clinging kratom or aftertaste. If done right, as >>21809978 says, you can bypass tasting it much, it’s just masked in the drink.

However, I got a paradoxical reaction after a long time of doing it, where even doing this toss & wash repulses me (because you still get a bit of the scent/taste, and I’m not anymore used to it, still disgusted), leading to me being really reluctant for that next T&W and doing it much less, fortunately.

It’s crazy how when I was younger, I thought of how insane it was well-known figures like Chopin, Baudelaire, Coleridge, de Quincey, etc., were frequent opium users and “back in their day” they could just get it prescribed to them by a doctor for a cough or melancholia or even walk into a pharmacy and buy some. Give it a few years, and I’m buying kratom from gas stations. Burgerpunk kino.