/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21783910]

>this kill the capitalist boot licker

[Anonymous No.21783916]

>anyone who doesn't lick the same boots as me is just a stupid bootlicker

[Anonymous No.21783928]

>>21783916
True socialism is about ending bootlicking, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.21784057]

>>21783928
Some people are born to be subservient, and some are born to dominate. Nothing wrong with that. Trying to abolish hierarchy only leads to more problems than it proposes to solve.

[Anonymous No.21784063]

>>21784057
What a cuck behavior, jesus.

[Anonymous No.21784070]

>>21783928
>socialism is about ending bootlicking, that's why you need to lick the boots of the People's Council of the Department of Economic Planning and Distribution

[Anonymous No.21784089]

>>21784063
How is it cuck behavior? Hierarchy and inequality exist in nature, always have, and always will, simply because organisms are not born with the same capacities and capabilities. Everything from unicellular organisms to lions and elephants compete with each other, and establish hierarchies. Why is it so strange to suggest humans work the same way, and trying to go against natural law won’t work?

[Anonymous No.21784177]

>capitalism but computer-simulated
>kills the capitalist boot licker
okay

[Anonymous No.21784197]

>>21783916
The book isn’t advocating authoritarianism. It’s just about taking the inequality out of money itself. It’s focus is narrow like that. Grow up.

>>21784057
They should not be bred by state or oligarchy to be servants. There is clearly something very wrong with that. Hope you end up on the streets soon.
>trying to abolish hierarchies leads nasty people To kill.
You love licking their boots

>>21784070
Not a deep thinker yourself, you wish to bring up more than what the book covers. No, an issuer of labor vouchers wouldn’t have control of how much you receive. That’s all determined by your work., the hours.

>>21784089
>State authoritarianism and capitalism exist in nature!
You are a loon. Shut up

[Anonymous No.21784225]

>>21784177
Try doing a quick cursory of the subject or ask before assuming this is a VR simulator

[Anonymous No.21784229]

>>21784197
>That’s all determined by your work., the hours.
labor theory of value is inherently infeasible

[Anonymous No.21784258]

>>21784225
try doing a quick cursory of the first chapter of Capital

[Anonymous No.21784268]

>>21784197
Fuck off, spic.

[Anonymous No.21784290]

>another commietranny thread

[Anonymous No.21784305]

>>21783910
You will never own the means of production.
You will never have free healthcare.
You will never have UBI.
You will never have free housing.
You will never raise the USSR flag over Russia again.
You will never raise the Berlin Wall again.
You will never have world revolution.
You will never have world communism.
You will never be a party leader or member of a Marxist-Leninist state.
You will never obliterate religion.
You will never defeat NATO.
Bernie Sanders will never be president.
You will never pay off your student loans.
You will never have a free college.
You will never be a woman or pass as one.
Also, >>>/pol/.

[Anonymous No.21784324]

>>21784197
I dunno about capitalism, but inequality and hierarchy have always been the parts of nature and always will be.

[Anonymous No.21784344]

>>21783910
You have reddit or twitter to post this to, /lit/ is a right-wing board

[Anonymous No.21784350]

>>21783910
>"Towards" in a book's title

[Anonymous No.21784353]

>>21784344
Paul Cockshott hates trannies and gay people which is all the right wingers here care about anyways.

[Anonymous No.21784358]

>>21784344
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7h3ccRFtS90

[Anonymous No.21784364]

>>21784353
Not really. I like owning stuff for example.

[Anonymous No.21784373]

>>21784353
does he hate niggers though? that's important.

[Anonymous No.21784378]

>>21784229
I’m not even a Marxist. You place no value in the worker, is that what you’re saying? Value is in the lily white hands of the wealthy man who controls inflation?

>>21784258
No.

>>21784324
You show yourself to be uneducated in this particular field of study.
>but, muh queen bees! Muh alpha male wolf! Muh chimp warsss!
Myth of noble civilized man got you chasing spooks, bby.

[Anonymous No.21784387]

>>21784350
>frogs.
>complaining about shit
>on a literature board
>frog doesn’t read books

[Anonymous No.21784388]

>>21784358
>I-IT'S DA CIAAAAAAAA
2 sides of the same coin.

[Anonymous No.21784392]

>>21784378
How's the weather in Buenos Aires?

[Anonymous No.21784403]

>>21784378
>y-yeah, it's fake, gommunism is heckin' natural though. NO i'm not a m-marxist btw, but I'll defend it from heckin' nazi chuds for hours to show just how much of a non-marxist I a-am

[Anonymous No.21784415]

>>21784387
>be a phoneposter
>delude yourself into thinking that you belong to 4chan

[Anonymous No.21784454]

>>21784353
>gay people
faggots?

[Anonymous No.21784480]

>>21784392
Are you making a wild guess I’m someone you know? Because you missed.

>>21784403
The thread is about a replacing debt tokens known as national currency or money, with a time earned, personalized coupon, aka labor voucher. To use this would mean the end of banks, outrageous debts, theft of wallets and eventually all other thefts. It would retain an inequality of those who work (40 to 20 hr/wk.) from those who choose not to.

I am not a Marxist because I don’t like state-socialism of either authoritarian or “democratic” (council elected or EU style) varieties. You’d be wrong to see me as a Marxist or a Marxian economist.

[ALL FIELDS No.21784481]

>>21783910
Bravo ESL, you really convinced me now.

[Anonymous No.21784487]

>>21784415
>i pos fwog fwum muh latop!
>yoooo done blong!

Go back >>>/b/

[Anonymous No.21784490]

>>21784480
Anon, I've seen you on /pol/, you're spic.

[Anonymous No.21784495]

>>21784487
>incoherent schizo babble when confronted on his raging newfaggotry
Go back to >>>/r/eddit, scum.

[Anonymous No.21784508]

>>21784480
Ok, I'm gonna cut you some slack, if the sistem you've proposed is so good, why no country has implemented it by now, especially communist hellholes like NK or cuba?

[Anonymous No.21784605]

Bump

[Anonymous No.21784615]

>>21784605
>>>/r/eddit.com/r/communism101

[Anonymous No.21784642]

>>21784490
Nope. Not Brazilian.
Euro mix North American
Anarchist. Not been to /pol/ in my life.

>>21784508
Very complex reasons have betrayed the movement. Our (the people) strength is also our weakness. We need a lot of organization, but the statists conspire against us too effectively.
I’ve been promoting this book lately. Bakunin is really like the 1800s Thomas Paine. Excellent man, excellent mind. Trounces Marxian ideas of “the dictatorship of the proletariat” vanguardist bs

[Anonymous No.21784649]

>>21784642
>Bakunin is really like the 1800s Thomas Paine. Excellent man, excellent mind. Trounces Marxian ideas of “the dictatorship of the proletariat” vanguardist bs…
And, I should have said, answers your questions in wonderful detail. I recommend.

[Anonymous No.21784675]

>>21784378
>You place no value in the worker, is that what you’re saying? Value is in the lily white hands of the wealthy man who controls inflation?
Value is in what people are willing to pay for a good, not the labor put in to making it. There's no value in something you spent years creating if no one wants it. There's abundant value in something you spent 5 minutes on if there's great demand for it.
Simply "doing work" creates no inherent worth, I could work at counting the grains of sand on the beach for the rest of my life without creating a single bit of value.

[Anonymous No.21784688]

>>21784675
>value IS in the lily white hands of the pirate who stole all the resources and keeps slaves
>workers are expendable. Pretty much useless and should be shot if they call out sick
Okay, we’re done here. Idiot.

[Anonymous No.21784719]

>>21784688
>My intersectional vegan slam poetry IS valuable and you WILL pay me for it
lmao, fuck off retard
there's zero basis to argue that work has any inherent worth. I can't walk into your house, piss on your carpet, and demand you pay me for the privilege just because I put time into doing so.

[Anonymous No.21784736]

>>21784290
communists don't call other people comrades on reddit. this is pure larp
>>21784675
value is in labour that must be expended to produce something people are willing to pay for

[Anonymous No.21784751]

>>21784642
>Anarchist
And what's good about it?

[Anonymous No.21784761]

>>21784736
>communists don't call other people comrades on reddit.
lmao, you sweet summer child.

[Anonymous No.21784770]

>>21784719
>pay
You’re lost.
You want help finding your way or are you just some derelict who wants to jack off in the bushes yelling nonsense over there?

[Anonymous No.21784771]

>>21783910
Here is his Java code to implement 5 year planning described in book
https://github.com/wc22m/5yearplan

I was bit interested in this book few years ago, anyway this code is quite old and shit, and i dont know from where to take this input data. This is called "output tables" and its something like how much X material was bought anually for govermnent and for how much
It has to be all resources (coal, oil, fuel, whatever) cuz its using linear programming to plan ahead on how much we have to buy stuff to not starve based on past results.
So anyone know from where we can find those real output table data?

[Anonymous No.21784782]

>>21784736
>value is in labour that must be expended to produce something people are willing to pay for
say a machine can make that exact same product with no human input and therefore no labor.
people would still be willing to pay for it, no? where's the value coming from?
can't be labor if no labor is being expended, that leaves only the value of the raw material put in and the value generated by market forces.

[Anonymous No.21784805]

>>21784771
>find the output data

It was revealed to me in a dream

[Anonymous No.21784816]

>>21783928
Lol look at this retard

[Anonymous No.21784888]

>>21784816
It’s not wrong.
Simplistic but not wrong

[Anonymous No.21784897]

>>21784782
If the machine just magically appeared and sustained itself, then no, people would not pay for it. Same as people would not be paying for the air they breath.

[Anonymous No.21784901]

>>21783910
>>this kill the capitalist boot licker

[Anonymous No.21784906]

>>21784057
> Some people are born to be subservient, and some are born to dominate
Some are just born rich.

[Anonymous No.21784911]

>>21784897
people do pay for natural resources that exist regardless of labor.
they'll pay massive sums for diamonds, not because some random African mine worker's labor is somehow worth thousands of dollars, but because the demand for diamonds far outstrips the supply

[Anonymous No.21784926]

>>21784901

[Anonymous No.21784986]

>>21784926

[Anonymous No.21784997]

>>21784761
how am I a naive child when you're the one who thinks that some random larping faggot on reddit is communist just because he called himself one
>>21784782
>where's the value coming from?
I already told you >>21784736
the value is in the labour that must be expended to produce it on average.
if someone gets magic technology and produces it without labour, then the value they appropriate comes from the workers hired by other capitals.
>>21784911
>people do pay for natural resources that exist regardless of labor.
they pay for the labour that must be expended in finding and collecting them. if vegetables grew on peoples asscheeks then they wouldn't pay for them

[Anonymous No.21785022]

>>21784997
Because you don't know shit?
>he's larping... because he just does ok??

[Anonymous No.21785028]

>>21784057
Nietzsche has ruined millions of young men

[Anonymous No.21785034]

>>21785028
Marx killed millions more.

[Anonymous No.21785044]

>>21785028
Don’t rope him into this.

>>21785034
While the capitalists are still killing billions and set to send us to extinction.
Try Bakunin instead

[Anonymous No.21785053]

>>21785022
>he's a communist... because he just is ok??

[Anonymous No.21785055]

>>21785044
Yeah, crapitalists kill bajillions, anon.

[Anonymous No.21785067]

>>21785053
>NOOOO HE'S A FALSEFLAG, HECKIN' CIA PLANT

[Anonymous No.21785080]

>/leftroonpol/ thread

[Anonymous No.21785082]

>>21785067
who are you quoting? random retarded pb manchildren are random retarded pb manchildren, not CIA plants. I said that they aren't communists, not that they don't believe they are communists

[Anonymous No.21785085]

>>21785055
How many zeros is that?

>>21785022
>Biden is a fascist
He sure is
>big China backer
China is fascist too. Oh Twitterites

[Anonymous No.21785097]

>>21785085
>iphonefag is retarded

[Anonymous No.21785109]

>>21785067
>>21785082
and the reason they believe they're communists is because they have a conception of what a communist is equal to that of a retarded preschooler. a conception which you unsurprisingly 100% share with them

[Anonymous No.21785130]

>>21785082
Yes anon, everyone else are bunch of dirty fakers, you're the only true gommunist.

[Anonymous No.21785147]

>>21785109
And only you have that conception, no one else.

[Anonymous No.21785255]

>>21785080
>>21785080

I, unironically, do not support nigger and trainnes, and from the left. COPE AND SEETHE

[Anonymous No.21785263]

>>21783910
>reading political books in your spare time when you have no actionable power
I will never understand this

[Anonymous No.21785294]

>dude what if we just used computers lmao

[Anonymous No.21785340]

>>21785044
How does capitalism kill people? What is even capitalism? I'm genuinely asking because I think socialist control is as degrading as a inhuman money-seeking society could be.

[Anonymous No.21785348]

>>21785130
again, who are you quoting? I haven't called myself a communist. consider medication
>>21785147
my conception comes from the Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848)
>>21785255
the biggest tranny is >>21784290 because she thinks people calling themselves X = people being X

[Anonymous No.21785349]

>>21784642
>Anarchist
Go back to kindergarten.

[Anonymous No.21785356]

>>21785028
There's Rousseau for you, then:
>Quelques philosophes ont même avancé qu'il y a plus de différence de tel homme à tel homme que de tel homme à telle bête

[Anonymous No.21785360]

>>21785348
You sure love to defend commies, despite not being a gommunist yourself.

[Anonymous No.21785372]

>>21784642
You are an anarchist, so would you let some people alone in peace? Why do you need to convince people of anything besides the very aim of dissolution of this structure that is the State and which Socialism seeks to aggravate?

[Anonymous No.21785375]

>>21785348
>my conc-
Nobody cares, they surely don't. And they're the majority.

[Anonymous No.21785381]

>>21785348
>phoneposter is retarded

[Anonymous No.21785401]

>>21785255
And? They do, the majority does

[Anonymous No.21785412]

>>21785263
>it's better to dumb and gullible

Top tier nigger behavior there.

[Anonymous No.21785422]

>>21785412
learn english first before frying your brain with irrelevant politics.

[Anonymous No.21785454]

>>21783910
>muh computers

[Anonymous No.21785457]

>>21784364
Same.

[Anonymous No.21785498]

>>21785053
>TRUE Scotsmen don't put sugar in their porridge!

[Anonymous No.21785513]

>>21783910
Socialists and Capitalists equally worship capital. Read Ellul.

[Anonymous No.21785517]

>>21783910
national socialism

[Anonymous No.21785552]

>>21784358
You could have a wide variety of class and economic opinions in any leftist circle and be accomodated but the second you say a bad word about niggers or homosexuals, you will be removed. Therefore, leftism's primary focus is the worship of faggots and niggers and the policing of language around these groups than anything to do with economics or class.

[Anonymous No.21785565]

>>21784063
>What a cuck behavior, jesus.
How do you not see the irony of making this statement?
You respond to someone saying power and hierarchy is inevitable by calling him someone with little power ("a cuck").
Your very insult demonstrates the truth of his claim.

[Anonymous No.21785590]

>>21785517
bazed

[Anonymous No.21785793]

bump

[Anonymous No.21785954]

>>21783910
>Cockshott

[Anonymous No.21785959]

>>21785513
It's about what, mein nigga?

[Anonymous No.21785962]

>commies calling anyone a bootlicker

[Anonymous No.21786089]

>>21785962
>HAH here's another who don't know

You swear you haven't heard? You don't there's two opposing sides? You didn't know Lenin and China are right-wingers? And that "Communism" is the word for COMMUNITY. As in the COMMUNITY runs the place? you didn't know that anarcho-communism, that's opposed to Marxist-Leninism, are the ones properly identifying you as a bootlicker, right? You know this already and you're just trolling?

[Anonymous No.21786097]

>>21786089
imagine listening to the political opinion of anyone who has images such as this saved on their hard drive

[Anonymous No.21786101]

>>21783910
If socialism worked, their biggest supporters wouldn't be the worthless vermin who have nothing to give but want everything.

[Anonymous No.21786104]

>>21785349
>Studying things makes you dumb

Do glowies really?

>>21785372
Do read the book. "Leave people in peace". Like in this? This whole world is in a bitter struggle right now. There will never be peace till the grub-like citizens of nations rise up become real humans and take control of their own lives and world. The vast majority want this peace and we could have it.

[Anonymous No.21786112]

>>21786104
>glowies fear anarchists

[Anonymous No.21786114]

>>21783910
It's so painfully embarrassing watching you retards get tricked into giving the guys you supposedly hate even more power while acting smug about it. Just disgusting to watch really.

[Anonymous No.21786115]

>>21786097
you just posted this >>21785962
IMAGINE!

[Anonymous No.21786118]

>>21786112
Glowie fears knowledge reach people. You know it.

[Anonymous No.21786120]

>>21786115
cope and take your meds xis

[Anonymous No.21786127]

>>21786118
yes nigger that's why they steer gullible drug addicts towards unproductive navel gazing ideologies like anarchism whilst vilifying fascism and actual collectivist movements

[Anonymous No.21786149]

>>21786127
>navel gazing ideologies like
Jordan Peterson, Gunan, Evola, Hitler, etc.

They steer lefties towards Bernie, AOC, DSA, BLM, Bob Black, Vaush and Contra-whatevers, etc.

Anarchism is used during riots. Cops love to mask up and pretend to be one so they can burn buildings down and play general agent provocateurs. Nothing navel gazing about it, you clueless dolt
>muh poor fascist collective!
Biden is fascsit

[Anonymous No.21786299]

LMAO! You made a whole thread for this book nobody read because on the mises thread nobody is swallowing your bullshit.

[Anonymous No.21786394]

>>21784771
Oh my, so if north korea had access to java they would be bussin?

[Anonymous No.21786413]

>>21785356
Hey, show me the memes rousseau was talking about!

[Anonymous No.21786463]

>>21784197
>The book isn’t advocating authoritarianism. It’s just about taking the inequality out of money itself. It’s focus is narrow like that. Grow up.
I haven't read the book and I'm not going to as I have already read both volumes of Das Kaptal. That said you must be smart enough to realize that leveling out things like wealth inequality requires significant government intervention and the more you try to level it out the more significant the intervention must be. I fail to see how you could practically institute a socialistic society without the use of a central government to moderate your desired outcomes.

>That’s all determined by your work., the hours.
Something I learned about Marx's rendition on the LTV in Das Kapital, while it does okay for exchanging simple goods like a lump of coal for a load of bread, it sucks at dealing with complex goods that require massive capital costs and extraordinary skill levels to develop. There's a reason why high quality advanced computer chips were invented and made produced in the United States rather than the USSR which is the best example of a communist/socialist country as far as technological advancement goes. Smith and Ricardo's LTV was far more coherent, Marx in comparison comes off as a babbling buffoon.

[Anonymous No.21786520]

>>21783928
Changing the type of footwear you're licking does technically mean you're not boot licking. Bravo socialists, wish I had thought of it myself

[Anonymous No.21786721]

>>21786089
And yet, you lick boots. Care to explain?

[Anonymous No.21786758]

>>21786721
Read >>21784642

[Anonymous No.21787395]

>>21785498
>A Nigerian woman of African lineage is a Scotsman as long as she says so!
>>21786463
you've read two volumes of capital but you still think that the LTV is a law regulating socialist and not capitalist economy? you should just have a lobotomy, at this point your brain will be more useful as animal feed

[Anonymous No.21787424]

>>21786394
wow look at them they are soooo miserable, clearly starving! Not like this one time when "american help" bombed their country until every building was in ruin

[Anonymous No.21787438]

>>21787424
>look at this staged propaganda photo of the elite ruling class, clearly they're all happy!

[Anonymous No.21787441]

>>21787424
Imagine unironically shilling nk.

[Anonymous No.21787448]

>>21786104
>The vast majority want this peace
Proof?

[Anonymous No.21787523]

>>21787424
Is Kim Jung paying you to shill or do you do this for free?
Go to Google Earth at night and go to North Korea.
Now explain to me how North Korea is so apparenrly advanced, and yet has so little electricity compared to South Korea?

[Anonymous No.21787593]

Bump

[Anonymous No.21787642]

>>21787523
First, none claims NK to be on par with the US when it comes to technology, but it could be it not for the isolation imposed against NK, the embargo, the massive propaganda against them. Second, why leave lights on at night? This is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.21787653]

>>21787642
>why leave lights on at night? This is ridiculous.
oh, you're just actually retarded

[Anonymous No.21787693]

>>21784751
No boot-licking

[Anonymous No.21787701]

>>21787653
>can’t reply
>calls others retarded
Cope

[Anonymous No.21787713]

>>21787642
>threaten to nuke US and its allies
>"wtf why does no one want to deal with us?"
Cope harder, shill.
>Second, why leave lights on at night? This is ridiculous
If you want to live like a bug, sure.

[Anonymous No.21787720]

>>21787701
>illiterate moron
Why should anyone waste their time with you?

[Anonymous No.21787727]

>>21783910
I disregard anyone who uses the term bootlicker unironically

[Anonymous No.21787750]

I thought this guy was trolling with NK lol

[Anonymous No.21787755]

>>21787701
I shouldn't have to explain to you why developed countries might have streetlights on at night

[Anonymous No.21787765]

>>21787755
if it were truly developed, they wouldn't need to have them on. i know what you mean

[Anonymous No.21787768]

>shilling for north Korea

Imagine fallen so low.

[Anonymous No.21787786]

>>21787765
Yes anon, north korea is decades ahead of capitalist pigs with their technology. All hail Kim!

[Anonymous No.21787790]

Bump

[Anonymous No.21787796]

>>21783910
Absolute nigger teir bait try harder next time faggot

[Anonymous No.21787799]

>>21787786
north korea is capitalist

[Anonymous No.21787803]

>>21787799
You're not fooling anyone here.

[Anonymous No.21787808]

>>21787803
you're already fools if you think north korea doesn't have generalized commodity production

[Anonymous No.21787810]

>>21787808
>you're already fools
Says the NK shill.

[Anonymous No.21787816]

>>21787713
NK’s reaction is not unmotivated.

>>21787713
>>21787755
There are countless of studies proving that any light turned on, be it the most minimal possible, can hamper a healthy and proper sleep.

>>21787786
Yes it is?

[Anonymous No.21787818]

LMAO THIS MORON IS SERIOUS

[Anonymous No.21787819]

>>21787810
I'm not NK shill. fuck all capitalist states, NK included

[Anonymous No.21787824]

>>21787816
>invade south korea
>americans push your shit in
>threaten them with nukes
>also isolate yourself from the entire world
>manipulate your people into believing nonsensical stuff
Yeah, no. NK won't survive without China's aid.

[Anonymous No.21787825]

>>21787824
Taiwan won't survive without US aid

[Anonymous No.21787827]

>>21787819
>esl
How about no? How about some cold hard truth? Like, you will never own the means of production.

[Anonymous No.21787831]

>>21787825
The difference being that Taiwan is not some third world shithole.

[Anonymous No.21787843]

>>21787827
are you being ironic or do you really believe you're owning people with these kinds of posts
>>21787831
yeah, because of Western capital

[Anonymous No.21787847]

>>21787824
Imperialist scum created this divide between koreans.
>isolate yourself from the entire world
Lmao what??? What is an economic embargo and the, now truly, nonsensical propaganda against NK?

>>21787831
Neither is NK third world and much less a “sh it hole”

[Anonymous No.21787851]

>>21787825
Uh, yes it can, unless china invades it. NK would just implode on itself. They'll probably nuke as many countries as they can before going out though.

[Anonymous No.21787858]

>>21787851
>Uh, yes it can, unless china invades it
no, it only needs to blockade it so that the West no longer can prop it up with trade. because without the West propping it up, it would implode on itself.

[Anonymous No.21787864]

>>21787847
>NK is not third world
Lmao. How long will you tell obvious lies, anon?
>imprealist scum
Uh, NK was the first one who invaded, they lost.
>nonsensial propaganda
It is true.
>>21787843
>owning
It's just cold, hard truth, comrade.

[Anonymous No.21787870]

>>21787864
>It's just cold, hard truth, comrade.
it's not truth, it's your wishful thinking presented as truth with no justification

[Anonymous No.21787871]

>>21787847
>USA invade countries
>USA is imperialist scum
>Soviet do the same
>T-they are saving the country!

Commie are hypocrite
>

[Anonymous No.21787879]

>>21787870
2 more weeks, comrade.

[Anonymous No.21787886]

>>21787858
>no
Yes. NK is a shithole and I don't know why would someone so vehemently defend it. Like, you're not even trying.
>blockade
So basically invading, moron.

[Anonymous No.21787893]

>>21787871
Yeah because the US and capitalism has a long history of oppression and murder.

[Anonymous No.21787897]

>>21787843
And also because Taiwan is just a superior country overrall. And southern gooks are miles better than the northern ones too. You wouldn't live in any of those countries.

[Anonymous No.21787903]

>>21787870
When does the proletariat waking up again? Would proles even listen to bunch of dysgenic freaks?

[Anonymous No.21787917]

>>21787893
Communist only existed for about 100 years now and it killed 100 million people. Also, russia is a bigger imperialist. Like, trying to force caucasus to become a part of ussr or war against poland, and finland too.

[Anonymous No.21787929]

>>21787816
I'm sure kim is doing it because kim loves his own people and not because north korea is dirt poor.

[Anonymous No.21787930]

>>21787917
They killed accidentally, unlike capitalists who kill intentionally.

[Anonymous No.21787937]

>>21787930
LMAO, you're so pathetic. Why do dysgenic commietrannies love lying so much?

[Anonymous No.21787940]

>>21787879
is that what you tell your dad every time he asks when will you finally get a job?
>>21787886
>Yes
no, Taiwan wouldn't survive if it weren't for economic flows with the West
>NK is a shithole and I don't know why would someone so vehemently defend it
I never defended it. NK is a capitalist shithole and it will thankfully collapse with all the rest of them
>So basically invading
no, just somehow cutting them off from the West without invading, like in the hypothetical scenario when China stops beneficial interactions with NK. it doesn't have to be blockade, it can be the US doing a 180 and bullying all its satellites into cutting economic ties with Taiwan. I only chose a blockade as an example because that's more realistic
>>21787897
>And also because Taiwan is just a superior country overrall
it can be as superior as it wants, but the fact remains it would collapse without the US and its puppets propping it up through keeping their markets open markets to it and by investing there
>>21787903
>When does the proletariat waking up again?
are you the guy who called me an esl?
>Would proles even listen to bunch of dysgenic freaks?
no, that's why you would never be accepted into a communist party

[Anonymous No.21787945]

>>21787937
I mean, there is absolutely no necessity to kill people in Socialism/Communism, quite the opposite, it values every life because it values community, on the contrary capitalism NEEDS murder, it needs death to survive.

[Anonymous No.21787947]

>>21787940
>no u
stop it, doreen. r/antiwork is done.

[Anonymous No.21787952]

>>21787940
>NOOOO YOU'RE THE ONE, GOMMIENISM WORKS, CHUD

[Anonymous No.21787959]

>>21787940
Capitalism will never collapse.

[Anonymous No.21787961]

>>21787959
>NOOOO YOU'RE THE ONE, CAPITALISM WILL NEVER COLLAPSE, COMMIE

[Anonymous No.21787964]

>>21787945
>capitalism NEEDS murder, it needs death to survive
Lmao no. Try harder with your bait.

[Anonymous No.21787966]

>>21785340
>How does Capitalism kill people
There's the obvious killings. The CIA and US military has been funding coups, death squads, invasions, and assassinations against democratically elected leaders who do things like try to nationalize their countries natural resources which would take them out of the control of western corporations. These anti-democratic actions always involve a lot of directly murdering innocent civilians because they have to fortify their unpopular rule. Additionally, the countries this creates are almost always corrupt or overthrown by a bigger local strongman which both throw the country into poverty and anarchy. Additionally, because they're denied economic actions which would support their people and grow their local economies they are left with many people dying from starvation and preventable medical care. Corporations make huge profits from third world countries but keep the people in a state of near slavery because they completely control the governments. The western world is flush with cash while 25,000 people did from famine each day.
Of course, in the past Capitalist western governments around the time of the Victorian era colonized the 3rd world and directly created famines that killed millions of people in what would be today considered genocide, all while, again, making huge amounts of profit. I really could go on and on.

[Anonymous No.21787968]

>>21787945
>quite the opposite, it values every life
History shows the exact opposite
>capitalism NEEDS murder
Not really. Stop huffing on copium so much. It needs workers as much as communism does. And guess what workers prefer?

[Anonymous No.21787971]

>>21787964
two world wars and counting

[Anonymous No.21787975]

>>21787961
LSC, sister. It's coming down any day now!!

[Anonymous No.21787985]

There is no succesful (broadly defined) system that didn't end up killing many people.
Slave society, feudalism, capitalism, socialism and fascism all did. Both sides need to move on from >muh victims and find something else.

[Anonymous No.21787986]

>>21787952
Commietrannies just love projection lol.

[Anonymous No.21787989]

>>21787917
Communism killed less than the western world did during their industrial revolution. And they did it without genociding and enslaving other peoples. The deaths under Communism happened because of war and rapid industrialization which later lifted many more millions out of poverty and hunger. Meanwhile, famines caused by Capitalist countries lead to enslavement, genocide, and perpetual poverty.

[Anonymous No.21788001]

>>21787986
This really shows you how eerie trasitioning is. He looks like a bloke with a cringe shirt on the left, but he actually disgusts me on the right.

[Anonymous No.21788012]

>>21787989
>poverty and hunger
Let's just forget about china who's enslaving their populace to make me tons of funko pops for minimal pay and security.

[Anonymous No.21788015]

>>21787966
>how does capitalism kills?
>you see, the CIA and US military…
Lmao holy shit. I’ll be patient and ask you your definition of capitalism, otherwise there’s no point in replying.

[Anonymous No.21788021]

>>21787966
>The CIA
stopped reading there. /leftypol/trannies are no different than /pol/cels with their boogeymen.

[Anonymous No.21788032]

>>21787989
The picture below in the cover is Holodomor? The kllings of Cossacks were not a kind of genocide? The results of Lysenkoism is not genocide or as lunatically conspirational as say what Nazis did to Jews?

[Anonymous No.21788033]

>>21787940
Lefties can't project, because the reality is not on their side.
>>21787947
Yeah this one. Antiwork was one of the biggest leftoid movements on the west and it was being operated by a tranny lmao.

[Anonymous No.21788041]

>>21787966
>How does Communism kill people
There's the obvious killings. The CCP and Chinese military has been funding coups, death squads, invasions, and assassinations against democratically elected domestic leaders who do things like try to promote alternative political ideologies which would take the people out of the control of CCP. These anti-democratic actions always involve a lot of directly murdering innocent civilians because they have to fortify their unpopular rule. Additionally, the countries this creates are almost always corrupt and descend into poverty and anarchy. Additionally, because they're denied economic freedom which would support their people and grow their local economies they are left with many people dying from starvation and preventable medical care. The Communist Party makes huge profits from their own country but keep the people in a state of near slavery because they completely control the government. The CCP is flush with cash while 25,000 people die from famine each day.
Of course, in the past Communist governments around the time of the Cultural Revolution era directly created famines that killed millions of people in what would be today considered genocide, all while, again, making huge amounts of profit. I really could go on and on.

[Anonymous No.21788056]

>>21788032
>The kllings of Cossacks were not a kind of genocide? The results of Lysenkoism is not genocide or as lunatically conspirational as say what Nazis did to Jews?
Marxoids, deep down, actually DO believe this because everything was done "for the greater good". They'll deny it or downplay it, but in their heart they unironically see it as justified because "stalin was just a heckin' smol bean trying to achieve an equal society for everyone". That's it. The endstate of the "classless society" is so profoundly (dare I say, religiously) important to achieve that there is no human price they are not willing to pay. To them, every life destroyed, every culture smashed, every starved child, is a regrettable but nonetheless necessary step on the road to utopia.

Men who hate others may be dangerous, but it's the men who claim to be working "for the benefit of all" you really need to be afraid of.

[Anonymous No.21788093]

>>21788012
China had the greatest reduction in poverty the modern world has ever seen. If you take china out of the world's poverty statistic then poverty basically had not changed since WW2.

>>21788015
>Lmao holy shit. I’ll be patient and ask you your definition of capitalism, otherwise there’s no point in replying.
Capitalism is a system where the economy's industry is owned by private individuals.

>>21788021
The CIA bombed civilians in Indonesia. It's a matter of public record.

>>21788032
>The picture below in the cover is Holodomor?
It's one of the Indian Famines.

>The kllings of Cossacks were not a kind of genocide?
Massive exaggeration and also of a very different character to Western genocides.

>The results of Lysenkoism is not genocide or as lunatically conspirational as say what Nazis did to Jews?
Lysenko was deposed when his science was revealed to be faulty.

[Anonymous No.21788102]

>>21788093
>>The kllings of Cossacks were not a kind of genocide?
>Massive exaggeration and also of a very different character to Western genocides.
>>21788056
See what I mean? he literally does both the denial and downplaying. "very different character" means "we killed them because we're just so NICE but they were blocking progress" & "It was necessary to secure socialism". These guys are so easy to predict once you've interacted with enough of them.

[Anonymous No.21788111]

>>21788093
It's still a shithole. 100s of millions of poor chinese workers getting buckbroken in massive sweatshops to create bunch of cheap garbage.

[Anonymous No.21788115]

>>21788056
And you can justify any amount of murder, death, and destruction in the name of Capitalism because you see Communism as a "greater evil."

[Anonymous No.21788117]

>>21788093
And the jews are controlling the world.

[Anonymous No.21788127]

>>21788115
Considering the fact that every single country that became socialist/communist turned into a shithole, it is.

[Anonymous No.21788129]

>>21788093
Can you tell me what company, among the major ones, fits this definition? Because I don’t think companies owned, solely, by private individuals can compete against Microsoft, Amazon, Apple…

[Anonymous No.21788132]

>>21788102
Explain the 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état. How about the 1953 Iranian coup d'état? What were the altruistic motivations behind these things?

[Anonymous No.21788137]

>>21788102
>/leftypol/trannies are disingenious
Wow who would've thought?

[Anonymous No.21788149]

>>21787952
they all look like junkies

[Anonymous No.21788151]

>>21788127
There you go. You did the exact same thing you accuse communists of doing. Murdering innocent civilians is totally fine as long as it helps the Capitalist order.

>>21788129
Those are all privately owned companies. I think you're confused.

>>21788111
Like I said, it lifted 100 million people out of poverty. No western country has ever done anything close to this.

[Anonymous No.21788158]

>>21788093
>Lysenko was deposed when his science was revealed to be faulty
Stalin supported Lysenko and the execution of scientists contrary to the theory until his death. It was only because Stalin had died that they could discontinue it.

[Anonymous No.21788161]

>>21788151
Yeah because no western country has as much population as china has.

[Anonymous No.21788165]

>>21788151
>Those are all privately owned companies
>anon still doesn't know the mega corps are fronts for the government
CUTE

[Anonymous No.21788172]

>>21788151
More like removing socialist parasites that would make those countries worse. Pol pot is the perfect example. Mao is not any better, I would even say that he was far worse.

[Anonymous No.21788173]

>>21788165
The government is a front for megacorporations

[Anonymous No.21788189]

>>21788172
Mao was a moron.

[Anonymous No.21788191]

>>21788173
They're a completely interchangeable clique. Your ideology was pushed by financial interests to destabilize countries and take over because it doesn't work in reality. Even the ancients knew.

[Anonymous No.21788192]

the capitalist are seething with no end.

[Anonymous No.21788197]

>>21788172
Pol Pot came into existence because the US carpet bombed Cambodia to the stone age. It completely destabilized the country and turned people from supporting the moderate left government to crazed mountain rebels. Historians agree that without US intervention there would have been no Khmer Rouge.

[Anonymous No.21788199]

>>21787448
The vast majority of humanity do not want wars between nations. That's why nations create massive propaganda campaigns to demonize the opposing nations. "chinamen are subhuman bugs" "Putin's a killer and all slavs are stupid subhumans" on and on and on. You've heard it. That's "MSM" taking orders right from the Pentagon, that is NSA agents staring up racial and cultural animosities.

Go out into the real world, people just want to get along. Isn't it obvious?

[Anonymous No.21788201]

>the capitalist are seething with no end.

[Anonymous No.21788202]

Living in a society is subordination
Simply having values reinforces hierarchy
Power is not corrosive
You deserve to be subordinated

[Anonymous No.21788210]

>>21788202
>>21788202

[Anonymous No.21788215]

>>21788199
China and NK does the exact same though.

[Anonymous No.21788219]

>>21788199
Nah, racial tensions are caused by the new anti-discrimination social movements propped up by the left but they try to shift their culpability on to those darn chicago boys and their chilean helicopter pilot.
NSA agents went to universities, just like anyone with any power today. These people genuinely believe they are fighting for good.

[Anonymous No.21788225]

>>21788210
The only one who is coping is the guy who thinks that the state will magically disappear and everyone will just do exactly what he wants them to do.

[Anonymous No.21788231]

>>21788197
US believed that Viet Cong had some bases on Cambodia, which was the reason why they did it. It wasn't for no reason.

[Anonymous No.21788233]

>>21788151
What private company can practice the same lobbying as those companies? Earn subsidies from government?

[Anonymous No.21788239]

>>21788012
This is 100% false
And I don't even care about China
It's wage slavery, but they reduced their poverty with the money they made. You're so gullible

>>21788215
ALLLL NATIONS DO THIS.
Put human beings in charge of their own lives they do indeed live in far more peace.
So again I tell you, anarcho-communism is the practice of direct democracy, self governance that will result in world peace and mutual prosperity. This is not a pipe dream, it's just hard turning ill formed people like Anonymous and "normie" NPCs into upright him beings. Read >>21784642

[Anonymous No.21788247]

>>21788191
The USSR had a stable economy after the 1950's and only dissolved because of political disputes.
Cuba still exists despite being barred from international trade for generations. This "failure" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The US has and will destroy any working Socialist government.

>Your ideology was pushed by financial interests to destabilize countries
Let's look at Indonesia. The revolutionary communists fought off Japanese occupation while the western governments fought to reinstate their colonial rule. Weird how they didn't support the revolutionary government?

[Anonymous No.21788254]

>>21788219
There's nothing you just typed that applies to what I said.

People, by and large, want to get along and do not want to fight in wars. Only foolish boys and damaged sociopaths desire to kill, and they're conditioned by states to be that way.
Hell, racists want peace through segregation. Think more.

[Anonymous No.21788255]

>>21788239
>this is 100% false
Nobody's denying their "achievements", just saying that the majority of the population are working 70 hours a day in some shitty, extremely unsafe factory to make all sorts of garbage.

[Anonymous No.21788261]

>>21788199
>people just want to get along. Isn't it obvious?
No? Teaching about "systemic racism" is practically a dogma in universities even though it doesn't exist in the US. People think their political opponents are retarded not because of some minor economic views but because of the ocean wide differences in cultural values and they can't stand when the other gets what it wants. Some people want to kill everyone who is upper middle class and up. Everyone is ideological, and ideological groups all have two goals in common: self preservation and expansion of power. The course of life bends towards creatures ever more trying to dominate a particular niche or their own life.
People can get along under rulership.

[Anonymous No.21788265]

>>21788239
>him beings
*HUMAN beings

[Anonymous No.21788268]

>>21788239
>anarcho-communism
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA holy shit anon please tell me you're joking

[Anonymous No.21788274]

>>21788239
It is a pipe dream. It's a vague idea of magical machine which is ill defined and runs on its own. Your problem with life in general is that men will not do what you want them to do.

[Anonymous No.21788275]

>>21788233
>What private company can practice the same lobbying as those companies? Earn subsidies from government?
Every single privately owned company can do lobbying and most receive subsidies in one form of another. Hell, no company could exist without our subsided shipping and trade industry.

>>21788231
Which, of course, justifies the carpet bombings and civilian casualties. This was all done without the consent of the legal government and without a declaration of war. Also, let's keep in mind we went to Vietnam to support the French's colonial rule over Vietnam.

[Anonymous No.21788279]

>>21788239
>anarcho-communism is the practice of direct democracy, self governance that will result in world peace and mutual prosperity. This is not a pipe dream

[Anonymous No.21788283]

I swear to god we have so many pseuds on this board.

[Anonymous No.21788287]

>>21788254
>People, by and large, want to get along and do not want to fight in wars.
Sure they do. Hell, marxism is all about being constantly aware that you are fighting a class war and the goal is to kill the burgies.
Ukraine would indeed spare a bunch of lives if they just let Putin take them, he's not going to commit genocide lol. And likewise, the world may well be a better place if everyone submits to Islam. People still want to resist though.

[Anonymous No.21788288]

>>21788275
>Which, of course, justifies the carpet bombings and civilian casualties.
Technically, yes, it does.

[Anonymous No.21788291]

>>21788255
and you heard this straight from Lindsey Graham, the most honest person in the world.

>>21788261
>Teaching about "systemic racism"
>This somehow means people don't want peace
You aren't a thinking person
>People can get along under rulership.
Rulership is prison.
Anon, you are a very feeble minded grub who is wasting your potential humanity. Systematic Stockholm syndrome from birth does that to a lot of people.

>>21788268
Read the goddamn book

[Anonymous No.21788292]

>I swear to god we have so many pseuds on this board.

[Anonymous No.21788297]

>>21788287
>another 14 year olds take
Marxism is statism

[Anonymous No.21788298]

>21788292
>retard forgot the picture
No (You) for (You).

[Anonymous No.21788305]

>>21788288
Like this post justifies you getting shot in a drive-by

[Anonymous No.21788309]

>>21788305
Not the same thing. Right now, ukraine can just run over belarus since they let russian troups through their soil.

[Anonymous No.21788317]

>>21788291
People love struggle. They love to fight. If there are no problems, we'll invent one. Whatever that is. It's just a part of our nature.

[Anonymous No.21788319]

>>21788291
>You aren't a thinking person
Systemic racism does not exist in the us. Progs just require it yo push a narrative and get people to vote for them.
>Rulership is prison.
I disagree
>Anon, you are a very feeble minded grub who is wasting your potential humanity
No, we just disagree. Difference being that it drives you insane that I do not buy into your ideology whereas I could'nt give less of a shit what silly ideas you have in your head. I think the laymen call that being "authoritarian"
Also, Aristotle said that a man's fullest potential can only be achieved in a state. I agree with him.
>Stockholm syndrome from birth does that to a lot of people.
Yes, yes, you are very smart

[Anonymous No.21788328]

>>21788297
I'm sorry, I forgot you were a bakuninite. Just switch the words and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.21788329]

>>21788309
And Russia can just take the US because Ukraine is decimated and half their troops are form around the world including the US.

No, you need a drive-by

[Anonymous No.21788335]

>>21788329
>decimated
Lmao vatnigger cope. Russia is a paper tiger.

[Anonymous No.21788340]

>>21788291
>read anarchkiddie books
No thanks

[Anonymous No.21788344]

>>21788335
>lol you can’t kill super nazis

[Anonymous No.21788350]

>>21788275
My business has never earned a single cent from the government and easily 60-70% of my expense is on taxes.

[Anonymous No.21788352]

>>21788340
>wo! Leanrin’ stuff? No way Jose!

[Anonymous No.21788354]

>>21788344
>vatnigger is a phoneposter
Russhits are losing, and that's a good thing

[Anonymous No.21788361]

>>21788352
Nobody needs to learn about retarded ideologies. We are good.

[Anonymous No.21788362]

>>21788247
It's not suspicious in the slightest to you that bankers love socialism?

[Anonymous No.21788373]

>>21788361
Damn you dumb. The very fact you get it wrong every fucking time, just shows you DO need to learn about it.
But, not you. You're too chicken shit scared.
And you never read books. Get the fuck off /lit/

[Anonymous No.21788375]

Anarchism and socialism will remain incoberent until it drops the idealist universalism. Inferior unintelligent peoples are incapable of being socialist. This may not be strictly along racial lines, but races are certainly unequal in the amount of these inferior individuals contained within. Worldwide anarchism will only exist with anarchist-capable people. Total Statist Death

[Anonymous No.21788385]

>>21788375
You don't know what you're talking about, little racist boy, even if you are scratching the surface of things already written about.

[Anonymous No.21788387]

>>21788373
Me dumb¿ me dumb sonovabitch¿¿¿ your retarded ideology will never work, so there's no point in learning it. keep crying

[Anonymous No.21788391]

>>21788362
Bankers love anything that can turn a profit I see Capitalist governments giving huge amounts of money to Fascists, Monarchs, theocrats but not many Communists since WW2.

[Anonymous No.21788398]

>>21788391
bro antifa, blm??

[Anonymous No.21788400]

>>21788385
I'm not a racist. Learn to read.

[Anonymous No.21788404]

>>21788400
You should be. Racism is healthy.

[Anonymous No.21788406]

>>21788391
You're wrong. And again, communism is a weapon to destroy countries and consolidate power. It's very potent especially when you want to plunder their natural resources.

[Anonymous No.21788408]

>>21788350
Like I said, most. I'm sure you get some amount of tax breaks as well. Depends largely on your industry and size.

[Anonymous No.21788425]

>>21788398
Those are both liberal organizations to create division within Capitalist governments. Bankers do not fund revolutionary Communists.

>>21788406
You're talking out your ass. When Iran nationalized it's oil production did the Capitalist governments use Communism to destabilize it? What did they use? Show me where a western government used Communism to plunder natural resources.

[Anonymous No.21788430]

>>21788387
>your retarded ideology, which I know nothing about
Screams a little retarded boy from his behind the bars of his cell. "No point". It is useless to resist!

>>21788400
Ah, yes. Not along racial lines. But somehow you're blind to why some people are so stupid and "incapable". Maybe you do have potential to see it someday.

[Anonymous No.21788437]

>>21788425
Antifa is revolutionaries. BLM is revolutionary.
>>21788430
Resist what? Change? Lmao good luck with that, 2 more weeks, comrade.

[Anonymous No.21788441]

>>21788425
>Communism to plunder natural resources
South Africa
the US

[Anonymous No.21788444]

>>21788425
>Individuals involved in the movement subscribe to a range of left-wing ideologies, and tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views. A majority of individuals involved are anarchists, communists, and socialists who describe themselves as revolutionaries, and have little allegiance to liberal democracy,[8] although some social democrats also participate in the antifa movement.[6][9][10] The name antifa and the logo with two flags representing anarchism and communism are derived from the German antifa movement.[11] Dartmouth College historian Mark Bray, author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, credits Anti-Racist Action (ARA) as the precursor of modern antifa groups in the United States.[12][13]
When will commietrannies stop lying?

[Anonymous No.21788453]

>>21788430
>a-any day now!!!

[Anonymous No.21788456]

>>21788430
>But spmehow you're blind to why some people are so stupid and "incapable"
>inb4 "it's environment" cope
I can smell your sub-2σness from a mile away.

[Anonymous No.21788459]

>>21788456
He's just brown. Cut him some slack.

[Anonymous No.21788463]

>>21788437
antifa is a tactic. masked cops vandalizing buildings to turn protests into riots aren't antifa.

BLM used to be a political action committee, but they're a government controlled group and have been since before the 2020 cop riots

>>21788437
No no, that last line is you/him from his barred window telling the people to let the boots stomp on them, don't resist it. Hey, just because you like being stepped on, don't expect real humans to like it.

[Anonymous No.21788474]

>>21788463
>masked cops
Lmao, read >>21788444
>a whole lot of cope
>real humans
Are you even listening to yourself?

[Anonymous No.21788486]

>>21788463
You will never own the means of production.

[Anonymous No.21788537]

>>21788486
>I swear it! I will defend Elon and Jeff Bezos to the death!

[Anonymous No.21788568]

>>21787441
>>21787424
Isn't it amazing! There is a guy in my country, i don't know if he's paid by north korea or what but he even dresses like their leaders in the islly military like clothes and shilling is his living.

[Anonymous No.21788574]

>>21788568
fascists are funny like that

[Anonymous No.21788583]

>>21783910
Is there anything actionable in there? Does it offer a way of life that can actually be implemented in todays world or is just "Wouldn't it be cool if humanity unanimously decided to..."?

[Anonymous No.21788590]

>>21788537
>trust the plan

[Anonymous No.21788599]

Anons, never forget this >>21785221
>>21787989
>Capitalist countries
Yes, the economic system can be abused, but it doesn't depend on abusing people, unless you want to play more freestyle semantics and define capitalism together with oppression.
But communism cannot even begin to fail, let alone work, without oppression.
>b-but the dictatorship of the proletariat will be good
suuure, wasn't it bakunim that said that the people are no much happier if the stick used to beat them is called the people's s stick?

[Anonymous No.21788603]

>>21788583
Leftism is all about theory.

[Anonymous No.21788606]

>>21788444
None of them are involved with revolutionary activity. They exist to moderate liberal democracy. They only oppose people who oppose liberal democracy. The individual beliefs of those involved makes no difference. Their actions are not revolutionary.

>>21788437
Neither of them do any revolutionary action. The private funding makes sure that is the case and remains the case.

>>21788441
>the US is a Communist state
Ok bud live in your fantasy land

[Anonymous No.21788636]

>>21788606
>they do nothing revolutionistic
Guess no communist is true communist nowadays.

[Anonymous No.21788639]

bump

[Anonymous No.21788649]

>>21788599
>Yes, the economic system can be abused, but it doesn't depend on abusing people, unless you want to play more freestyle semantics and define capitalism together with oppression.
Capitalism started with the enclosure movement which stole land from peasants and created homeless poor for factory jobs creating the Dickensian poverty of that era. They also got off the ground by invading, colonizing, and stealing that natural resources and labor of non-western places. Historically, Capitalism used these things to get off the ground and continues these colonial practices.

>But communism cannot even begin to fail, let alone work, without oppression.
Who did Mohammad Mosaddegh oppress.

[Anonymous No.21788659]

>>21788606
No, but it's used to weaken it to turn it into a technocratic neo-surfdom. Your thinking is too rigid, too focused on technical definitions to see what's happening. War, which is what this is, is all about adaptation.

[Anonymous No.21788663]

>>21788636
No western Communist no. There are actual revolutionaries that get killed by colonial western states regularly.

[Anonymous No.21788813]

bump

[Anonymous No.21788940]

>>21787945
>I mean, there is absolutely no necessity to kill people in Socialism/Communism, quite the opposite, it values every life because it values community, on the contrary capitalism NEEDS murder, it needs death to survive.
You must be joking, that's it I give up, I am getting trolled or this person/people are so incredulously bad faith there is nothing to gain by engaging past this post, there is no way anyone can actually be this delusional. Clearly there is a need to kill people under the systems like the Soviet Union and Communist China considering the genocides they engaged in by numbers making the European-American treatment of Native Americans look like a nursery, I'm not even defending that, people should be held accountable for crimes and they often are in this day in western societies. I can concede the capitalist/democratic countries have killed people that have acted out against the interests of the people and corporations before that's completely true, but some of the most disturbing and notable abuses of power and genocides have occured almost exclusively under Communism and Fascism autocracies in the twentieth century.

[Anonymous No.21789124]

>>21788649
So what? What the fuck are you talking about?
This is the same level of autism i encountered among fedorasXcreationists in 2004 internet.

[Anonymous No.21789146]

>>21788115
I don't care about the ism, i care that you understand that you do not speak for me, your preferred elected retard does not speak for me and get off my property.
>b-but marx says that property is theft
Aham, i say get off my property or i'll shoot you and then my neighbors are gonna cheer.

[Anonymous No.21789159]

>>21787966
Is that a graph of the economic collapse caused by lockdows and money printing?

[Anonymous No.21789186]

>>21788453
Another angle to the picture

[Anonymous No.21789190]

>>21783910
It'll never work. Humanity will collapse and go back to the stone age and then just form the same societies that it did before. Give up.

[Anonymous No.21789524]

bump

[Anonymous No.21789715]

>>21783910
I can literally write a book titled towards a new capitalism like KEKSHOTT

[Anonymous No.21789725]

>>21785255
Black Panthers are scumbags.

Overrated too aloneside with malcom x and mlk

[Anonymous No.21789756]

>>21787940
This is false.

Taiwan literally became a powerhouse because of KMT AND CHIANG KAI SHEK.

plus martial law was based.

[Anonymous No.21789763]

>>21787966
Lol. Some of these cia coups helped you such as the one columbia.

that president in his youth was a devoted falangist of spain.

or the one in venzeula and so on

[Anonymous No.21789791]

>>21788649
Mohammad Mosaddegh was a literal landowner

[Anonymous No.21789852]

>>21783910
>cockshott

[Anonymous No.21789960]

>>21789756
cool story from your fantasy world bruv. now back to reality:
>In the 1950s, Taiwan was dependent on American aid, which allowed its government to maintain a large military without overburdening the economy.
>With American help, the government implemented a land reform program.
>The $1.4 billion in US foreign economic aid to the Chinese Nationalist led ROC government in Taiwan during this 15-year period was a seemingly disproportionate amount compared to its small size and type of authoritarian regime compared to other aid recipients. This project appraises the extent that Washington used the US cold war containment strategy’s foreign economic aid concepts to justify economic aid to Taiwan.
>The beginnings of the Taiwanese electronics industry go back to the 1960s, when foreign companies, mostly American and Japanese, came to set up on the island.... At that time, many of them chose to establish joint ventures that included technology transfer to their local partners.
>The second weakness in the Taiwanese economy lies in the fact that, despite the government’s efforts to promote R&D, Taiwan has remained in most cases dependent on American, Japanese, and even Korean companies for key technology.
>Taiwan is doubly dependent on the American and Japanese markets: directly in the case of Taiwanese finished products exported to these two markets, but above all indirectly in the case of semi-finished Taiwanese products exported to China and Hong Kong, which after assembly are re-exported to the US and Japan.
>Beginning in 1967, the U.S. became Taiwan's largest foreign market, overshadowing Japan ever since. As of 1975, America absorbed 34% of Taiwan's exports, while Japan took only 13%.
>the greatest gain in share of imports was registered by the capital goods category. It gained almost a third, rising from 22% to 32% of the total value of imports. The major import sources of these capital goods are Japan and the United States.

[Anonymous No.21790111]

>>21789960
Cope harder.

President Jiang Gong's thoughts and speeches
https://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccfd.org.tw%2Fccef001%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Dcategories%26id%3D103%26Itemid%3D256&oq=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccfd.org.tw%2Fccef001%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Dcategories%26id%3D103%26Itemid%3D256&aqs=chrome..69i58j69i57.12265j0j7&client=ms-android-sprint-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Chiang Kai-shek before the Republic of China 15 years ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=ccfd.org.tw%2Fccef001%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Dcategories%26id%3D434%26Itemid%3D257&oq=ccfd.org.tw%2Fccef001%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Dcategories%26id%3D434%26Itemid%3D257&aqs=chrome..69i60j69i57.5168j0j7&client=ms-android-sprint-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Selected Works of Ms. Jiang and Ms. Song Meiling's Remarks
https://www.google.com/search?q=www.ccfd.org.tw%2Fccef001%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Dcategories%26id%3D451%26Itemid%3D258&oq=www.ccfd.org.tw%2Fccef001%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Dcategories%26id%3D451%26Itemid%3D258&aqs=chrome..69i58j69i57.5549j0j7&client=ms-android-sprint-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Five Notes of President Jiang Zhongzheng
https://www.google.com/search?q=www.ccfd.org.tw%2Fccef001%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Dcategories%26id%3D459%26Itemid%3D259&oq=www.ccfd.org.tw%2Fccef001%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Dcategories%26id%3D459%26Itemid%3D259&aqs=chrome..69i60j69i57.2751j0j7&client=ms-android-sprint-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

all those links is on a google search site. after clicking it, click the first link on the google search site and use google translate. it's a site that shows all of chiang's and chiang's wife works and notes.

[Anonymous No.21790143]

https://www.grid.news/story/global/2023/02/01/russias-economy-is-now-forecast-to-grow-faster-than-germanys-and-britains-in-2023-how-is-that-possible/

[Anonymous No.21790150]

>>21789725
They were great. There aren't any now

>>21788590
>Doesn't deny ass licking Musk and Bezos
Damn. Nazis are fags

[Anonymous No.21790175]

>>21790150
>a-any day now, vatsisters

[Anonymous No.21790178]

>>21783910
cockshott does not understand marx's theory of value and thinks the law of value is transhistorical he is very dumb and the only people who read him are reddit brained millenials who are convinced marx is just a riccardian with different aesthetics

[Anonymous No.21790191]

>>21790143
2 MORE WEEKS ZBROS!

[Anonymous No.21790321]

>>21790191
No, you don't get it.
The fighting continues till the MIC decides it's had enough, nuclear winter, or everyone in Ukraine dies and no new troops try to continue. Russia is doing just fine.

Now, the US and world economy is another matter. 2 weeks? Unknown, but a crash of significant proportions is coming