Ok this slaps

[Anonymous No.21777727]

[Anonymous No.21777740]

>>21777727
Halfway through and its getting less and less incomprehensible.

[Anonymous No.21777753]

I would genuinely think Wolfe was making these threads himself if he wasn't dead

It's remarkable

[Anonymous No.21777767]

>>21777727
Wizard knight was better imo

[Anonymous No.21777781]

>>21777767
I liked Soldier of the Mist more but it doesn't have that reread value Botns has

[Anonymous No.21777957]

[Anonymous No.21778099]

[Anonymous No.21778237]

>>21777740
less or more?

[Anonymous No.21778421]

>>21777727
I thought the beginning was great but it got considerably worse (still good though) after he left the citadel. Still gonna read the rest of the series

[Anonymous No.21778436]

>>21778237
Less because things become more apparent.
>>21777781
I finished the final Soldier novel the other day, which was the final Wolfe novel I didn't read. I had almost no idea what was happening half the time and tons few over my head. So it may be just as re-readable.
>>21777767
I loved TWK but wouldn't call it as great because it aimed to do less in terms of characters, meta narratives, theological musings etc. It was still incredible and his last final great novel.

[Anonymous No.21778742]

>>21778436
Did you read the chimera twin write up about the meaning of wizard knight? That shit fucking blew my mind

[Anonymous No.21778840]

what does "slaps" mean, I'm not up to date on niggerspeak

[Anonymous No.21778845]

>>21778742
No, I've only talked to Marc Aramini about some of his works.

[Anonymous No.21778858]

>>21778845
I think he’s posted that write up somewhere you should look for it its essential to enjoying g TWK at this point for me.

[Anonymous No.21778953]

>>21778421
agreed the beginning was great and captured my imagination but I was bored by the end and its not high on my priority list to finish the series

[Anonymous No.21778973]

>>21778858
It should be published soon if it wasn't already. I know he wrote 3 volumes on Wolfe, but afaik only one was published.

[Anonymous No.21778982]

>>21778421
>>21778953
There are a few dips here and there but most of BotNS is better than Shadow alone.

[Anonymous No.21779586]

>>21777727
I do NOT understand the appeal of these books. I really need to try them again some time.

[Anonymous No.21779878]

>>21777727
I'm going through this too and it hasn't disappointed.

[Anonymous No.21780119]

>>21777727
It doesn't.

[Anonymous No.21780130]

>>21780119
He doesn't mean literally. Obviously books don't have hands to slap with.

[Anonymous No.21780147]

Im at the start of the second book and theres a green dude who travels through time ???

[Anonymous No.21780331]

>>21778840
I think it means that it's good

[Anonymous No.21780333]

Has anyone read the wizard knight? Is it any good?

[Anonymous No.21780388]

>>21780147
Time travel shennanigans and fucking with causality are central plot points.

[Anonymous No.21780422]

Read The Fifth Head of Cerberus
Read The Sorcerer's House

[Anonymous No.21780709]

Any old novels that was medieval and covered in winter?

[Anonymous No.21781334]

>>21780388
There are at least 4 big ones and some others I'm less sure about.

[Anonymous No.21781670]

>>21780422
>The Fifth Head of Cerberus
I heard this is better than BotNS. True or false?

[Anonymous No.21781749]

>>21780119
It does.

You see how easy I can do this too?

[Anonymous No.21781760]

>>21780709
Try this

[Anonymous No.21781948]

>>21781670
It's one of the only things he did as good as it. 20% of the length.

[Anonymous No.21782013]

>>21781670
It's about as good and can be viewed as sort of a trial run for the techniques he later us in BoTNS: unreliable narrators, shifting character identities and POVs, small details with importance that becomes apparent on repeat readings etc

[Anonymous No.21782014]

>>21780147
By the time you get to the green dude you already missed at least two instances of time travel that happened

[Anonymous No.21782356]

>>21780147
I had forgotten all about that nigga. Does it get explained in Urth?

[Anonymous No.21782362]

>>21777727
Hey, I see you picked up Edgy Babby's first YA novel. Awesome. Soon you will find Edgy Wsetern by Thesaurus Guy, so you don't have to feel ashamed of reading thrash cause it's Real Literature Oprah Said So TM, and so you will have an actual excuse to be butthurt when we laugh at your illiterate ass

[Anonymous No.21782377]

>>21782362
Go on anon, what do you read?

[Anonymous No.21782382]

This book sucks

[Anonymous No.21782394]

>>21782377
Not him, but the best way to actually tell what people with good taste like on /lit/ is by seeing their goodreads accounts. What you'll see is that more often than not there's no split between those that read "literary fiction" and "genre fiction". If a person likes quality literature it's plausible that person also likes Wolfe, Tolkien etc.

[Anonymous No.21782415]

>>21777753
>>21778421
>>21779586
>>21780119
>>21782362
>>21782382
Completely and irreversibly filtered

[Anonymous No.21782502]

Started my Wolfe journey with BotNS and it was amazing so I got hyped and acquired like eight more of his books. It's just been let down after let down. Soldier in the Mist is pointless, Long Sun is too wordy and slow, Innocents Aboard is old man Wolfe where he lost any sense of style, Peace is the worst type of LitErAtURe. Haven't started Fifth Head yet but I'm no longer excited for it.

[Anonymous No.21782578]

>>21782502
You listed four books, what were the other four?

[Anonymous No.21782618]

>>21782356
Yes. Also no. This is all of Wolfe's work and it's literary kino

[Anonymous No.21782655]

>>21782362
Did your shame recede somewhat after 1 month? You were completely btfo'd last time you tried this shit.

[Anonymous No.21782666]

>>21782578
Urth of the New Sun which I enjoyed. Events got a bit wonky near the end and the prose isn't as stellar but a worthwhile read.
Castle of Days which admittedly contains a few good essays on the writing of BotNS. Turns out I was pronouncing Ascians incorrectly the entire time lul.
Starwater Strains. Haven't cracked it open yet. It being written around the same time as Innocents Aboard has me a bit worried.

[Anonymous No.21782715]

>>21777727
dont understand the appeal at all read all 4 books and the 5th urth one
basically got worse and worse as it went on

[Anonymous No.21782807]

>>21782502
I reread Long Sun last year after some 7-8 years of reading it the first time. I agreed with you the first time I read it but was surprised by how good it all was the second time I read it. I was surprised by how great the characters were, how subtle it was in the waving of theology, how rich the setting was, I loved the political struggle. Honestly, I liked it just as much as New Sun on the second read.

[Anonymous No.21782850]

>>21777727
frfr bro it was straight bussin how you could never tell if the narrator was given you cap or not
It just straight up threw shade on conventional narrative tropes bruh

[Anonymous No.21782914]

>>21782666
Well I have different opinions about some of those books but I agree with you that not all his stuff is as good as New Sun. I also read a bunch of his novels almost back to back and occasionally lost interest, which must be true of any author. Didn't finish Peace and haven't had the impetus to pick it back up. But I haven't read anything by him I didn't enjoy.
>>21782807
Long Sun starts slow I thought. Then I realized Silk was going to break into Blood's mansion on the same night as when the story begins and I was hooked. It's pretty consistently exciting all the way until around book 4 when he starts to do that narrative thing he seems to love where plot progression occurs primarily through conversation between characters asking each other questions. It's so chopped up and it's the biggest one.
He does the same thing in Short Sun too, where the first novel is a fast-paced, pulpy, yet dense and fascinating adventure, then by the third book the narrative is so discombobulated that at times it's harder to stay interested than I wanted it to be. For me that's a central question about Wolfe that I intend to answer for myself at some point, why the fuck he started writing like that, because New Sun is not like that at all. He does the same thing in Wizard Knight which is the example most people here will be familiar with.

[Anonymous No.21782949]

>>21782502
certified midwit moment

[Anonymous No.21782987]

>>21782914
That's a good question and I will say that nothing he wrote after Soldier of Sidon in 2007 was really much good. It becomes too cryptic on one side and too pulpy on the other. I loved Short Sun as well because the conversation based plot really makes sense when talking about a political story. SilkHorn becomes a calde again and it makes sense for him to be out of the thick of it. You are onto something that Wolfe changed his writing style a lot after some time. And I've read just about everything he wrote.

[Anonymous No.21784588]

>>21782914
The slingshot writing, I think it becomes a particle accelerator by the end and everything deconstructs into these components and vignettes that suggest a climax. That was all I've come up with at this point.

[Anonymous No.21784596]

>>21777727
This board memed me into reading this years ago. It stinks and is just a buildup for the next one

[Anonymous No.21784652]

[Anonymous No.21785676]

>>21784652
What on Earth...?

[Anonymous No.21786950]

>>21777727
Just overhyped garbage.

[Anonymous No.21787093]

>>21777740
>less incomprehensible.
means it's more comprehensible

[Anonymous No.21787215]

>>21784596
The entire Solar Cycle is the buildup to rereading Shadow of the Torturer.

[Anonymous No.21787426]

>>21777781
I feel like I'm missing everything in the Soldier books because I don't have autistically intimate knowledge of the Mediterranean world during the Persian invasion of Greece. I feel like the book was made for a very specific historian of a very specific era, and only they will have any real insight into the weird shit that's happening.

[Anonymous No.21787430]

>>21781670
The second part of Fifth Head is one of my favorite things ever written

[Anonymous No.21787928]

>>21777740
if you read the epilogue for torturer and claw(i had them together as one book), gene wolfe outlines some of the terms as translator notes to severian's writing. it's pretty meta and cool i think and clears some things up.

[Anonymous No.21787972]

>>21777727
Dorcas a cute

[Anonymous No.21788171]

Anyone else lose some interest with the stories within stories? I liked what they did but something bugged me about the presentation.

>>21787928
Money and the general social order is one of the least concerns. I think anon went through what almost everyone does where they can't figure out how the narrative fits together until almost all the information is in place. You're led through all these vaguely connected scenes with very intentional breaks between them and then books later, it's finally given context. The Echopraxia was pretty shit until you find out it actually was the Autarch and those are the real body doubles for the concubines. Otherwise it reads like a lame attempt at both foreshadowing and Sev coming to terms with his love for Thecla. You expect a metaphor and get a LITERALLY that also plays into things further down the road. That completely recontexualizes the scene and makes the book retroactively make some internal sense. It's almost a book you could read backwards and get more out of the first time through.

[Anonymous No.21788194]

>>21788171
>Anyone else lose some interest with the stories within stories?
No, it's one of my favorite parts of Wolfe's stories.

[Anonymous No.21788318]

>>21788194
I like the plays but some of the other stories feel like asides that come at the worst possible time. I'm still not sure what to make of the Jason and the Minotaur go on an Odyssey one.

[Anonymous No.21788351]

>>21780147
Don't worry. You'll see him again. No he will not explain himself, you figure it out. Or just read Michael Andre-Driussi's books on the series.

[Anonymous No.21788540]

>>21788171
>You expect a metaphor and get a LITERALLY
This is basically the key to understanding Wolfe. It's like that joke in Wizard Knight where Abel as a boy has sex with a dryad and her magic transforms him into a full grown man overnight. Then whenever he tells other men that having sex for the first time turned him into a man they all go "ahh yes, I remember my first time too", clearly taking him metaphorically and not literally like they should.

Wolfe does that trick a lot, where he'll goad readers into thinking he's describing something metaphorically, when he's actually being dead literal.

[Anonymous No.21788543]

>>21788540
Maybe I should read TWK again this year, I'm feeling the itch.

[Anonymous No.21788584]

>>21788540
I like his sense of humor. You get glimpses of it in that old interview with Ellison and Asimov, but not how dry he likes his jokes. He has a sensibility with that literality that I used to think about when reading other works. Other fantasy goes for the metaphors too much when the subject matter allows for such a delightful thing.

Name of the Wind did it too to some degree, it's one of the high points of that trainwreck.

[Anonymous No.21788628]

>>21788540
I also thought how the Conciliator myths played out was very clever and Severian's mausoleum and his childhood musings about it had some of that kind of flair. When he actually goes for a metaphor, that's when I notice the old forum posts start going crazy.

[Anonymous No.21788641]

>>21777727
No, it doesn't, and I read it all

[Anonymous No.21788650]

Just wait til /lit/pol finds out that the main character of this series is trans and basically genderfluid. Oh wait they didn’t read it and just praise it because it has le ebin tradcath author.

[Anonymous No.21788708]

Peace is even better

[Anonymous No.21789897]

>>21787430
I love the third part and the details we get into the slave colony. Amazing worldbuilding in so few words.

[Anonymous No.21789942]

>>21781670
I hope so because I've read Cerberus and it ranged from boring to best fiction about pre-neolithic (in fact called dontelithic which is badass) race of humanoids to confusing.

I dug it, I'd read it again. But damn it was jarring, almost like 3 different genres to appeal to more people. Great worldbuilding though.

[Anonymous No.21789962]

>>21788650
Because of a tulpa? Doesn't count. The cannibalism would make it OK anyway.

[Anonymous No.21790013]

>>21777727
typhon

[Anonymous No.21790231]

>>21790013
what about him?

[Anonymous No.21790288]

>>21788584
Not on topic but I too have read NotW and I have to say that it might be my favourite fantasy book series thus far, although Rothfuss is an insufferable asshole outside of his work. I've only ever talked to people that had good things to say about the books so I'm curious to know why you call it a trainwreck?

[Anonymous No.21790302]

woah this is bussin

[Anonymous No.21790354]

>>21790288
It showed a lot of promise and made promises, or so we thought. The first book was setting up something clever and the second book didn't quite ruin it but nothing happened and what did happen was lame as fuck, just summarize it out loud to yourself and you'll see the problem. Fans still hanging on love it because they don't read fantasy and caught on the hype train at some point, the rest of us got off the ride when all the signs pointed to being wrong about whatever seemed clever or iconoclastic. It's a trainwreck because there's no way for anything clever, which is a short but significant list, to pan out in a single book and there's no way Paddy is doing it intentionally given his behavior. A 15 year long derailment should say enough but I could go into explicit detail if the thead is still up tomorrow afternoon. Otherwise just take the troll complaints halfway seriously at your own discretion, some of them used to be fans along for the ride.

[Anonymous No.21790632]

>>21789942
>pre-neolithic (in fact called dontelithic which is badass)
Pretty sure the word he used was "dendritic", which can have many meanings depending on how you look at it.

The root word is Greek, dendrítēs, meaning “of or pertaining to a tree”. So VRT could be describing the pre-paleolithic Anise as dendritic because they would have been using wooden tools rather than stone. Or he could have been using that word because the Anise culturally believe they're descended from trees, and there's a lot of mysteries around why they believe that. Or he could have been using the word dendritic in the more literal use of the word, describing something having a branching structure similar to a tree, to imply that the Anise were merely branched off from humans but still closely related.

[Anonymous No.21790845]

>>21790354
I didn't see it that way but I think the second book set something interesting nicely (although dragged over two tomes in itself). I'll keep the thread open if you have more insight.

[Anonymous No.21792109]

>>21782502
I didn't like Long Sun when I first read it, but I think it's worth reading for Short Sun.

[Anonymous No.21792226]

>>21790845
I found the time earlier than I thought. WMF was the trainwreck. We're given an unreliable narrator who boasts and exaggerates, a continuing mystery of figuring out what is happening in the present, and zero denouement over the course of 850 pages. 2 books and none of the core mysteries have progressed much, if at all. Instead we get adolescent sex fantasies and a really hacky way for Kvothe to have learned Kung Fu. It's all setup and no reward.

You have all these themes like the nature of stories and the truth behind them and deconstructions of the genre but it never advanced. At this point much of it feels unintentional as it never went anywhere and instead there's a telegraphed tragedy that also hasn't been revealed or gone anywhere.

I'd actually compare rothfuss to wolfe, poorly. The Chronicle covers many of the same themes and uses the same literary devices, but the execution is worlds apart. It's genuinely clever and well written up to a point but the fundamental structure is flawed and it rides the premise aimlessly. I'd retract most of this if the third book comes out and addresses literally any of it at all. As it stands, there's no way a single book can resolve all this shit that's been floating around not being used.

[Anonymous No.21792361]

>>21792226
WMF felt like a way to stall for time with his editor, giving them something to put out to the printers while he came up with a way to tie the narration to the present time.

I am ready to bet that two of three readers simply don't care for Denna's character.
I surely didn't and the only reason I didn't skip ahead in the wedding plot was because of the possibility of having something, anything linked to Ash or the other BBEGs.

Not to be dramatic but Rothfuss' legacy as a writer weighs entirely on how well he handles the third book, which might explain why it is taking him nearly three times as long to release this one compared to the previous two entries. It is true that the second book got us nowhere; the Adem are supposed to set up that Kvothe is going to win pretty much any fight from now on. The Fae arc establishes that he's good at The Sex now. We might have had an explanation for the Kingkiller part of the name but that turned out to be a massive bait.

He might have bitten off more than he could chew with the premise he set in the first book, but if Rothfuss pulls it off it might just secure his name in the fantasy genre as one of the best comebacks in the history of literature.

[Anonymous No.21792510]

Read BoTN and Urth 3 times now. Time to finally move on to Long and Short. Wish me luck

[Anonymous No.21792596]

>>21792510
wow. i just started book 3 in my first read through of the series and i love it so far. i can already feel like going back to the first to reread a few parts that make more sense now.

[Anonymous No.21792616]

>>21792361
I remember reading the first volume when I was 18 on a recommendation from a friend. It did not read anything like New Sun and is in my mind the complete opposite. In fact, I've read New Sun 5 times and it's my all time favorite novel, while NOTW is my most hated one. Not even talking of the second volume, which I didn't read.

[Anonymous No.21792661]

>>21792616
I have also read NotW in high school years ago in two different languages, English and French, and am currently in the middle of BotNS and although I can see some similarities between the two series, I don't think a comparison is fair as far as what I think each book is trying to do.

The first reason has to do with the prose I think. Both books are undeniably well written, but as an ESL I found that Gene Wolfe doesn't shy away from archaic wording, but as someone who has only spoken English fluently for under 10 years I have to rely on a dictionary much more than I would want to when reading Wolfe. That can 100% be that these words or phrasings are not as obscure as I thought and I simply don't have enough exposure to anglophone literature, but it slows down the reading considerably and forces me to pause frequently. Some might argue that this is not necessarily a bad thing, and I agree that Wolfe manages to do it without sounding like a pompous ass. But given that it is incorporated alongside actual nonexistent words, as outlined in his Translator's note as said by an anon above, it's not a walk in the park to paint a clear picture of what is going on.

This is coupled with the complexity of each story. NotW is honestly an easy read when it comes to its plot points, but it lets go of several intrigues that spring up and are never followed to completion (I'm thinking the Northern arc of the second book, mostly,). This leaves the reader hanging. Also, Denna is a shit character. Right now, as I said, I am reading the BotNS and am at the Vodalus meetup in the North after the Agia attempt. Thus far I can trace back general lines of what the plot is about and how we have come to be where we are with Severian, but I feel like so much flew over my head that I'm not fully satisfied with the first book, mostly because of my own reading comprehension skill. I'm going to read through to the end of the second book, but I have a feeling I just might not like the series.

[Anonymous No.21792760]

>>21792616
I don't think it's directly like BotNS, just that they cover similar ground that other fantasy doesn't on the whole. I think Pat attempted something, he didn't stick that landing but he attempted something and that doesn't happen often in the genre. He isn't working on the level of or with the concerns of Wolfe but he was writing something other than bone stock fantasy and did at least attempt to advance the genre. Imagine a world where NotW was refreshing, that's how shitty fantasy was when it came out.

[Anonymous No.21792774]

>>21792760
>Imagine a world where NotW was refreshing, that's how shitty fantasy was when it came out.
It's funny how much I mostly read fantasy stories but if I think about it all my favorite stories are either new wave era sci-fi or Melville. Hardly any fantasy shows up if I were to rank them.

[Anonymous No.21792801]

>>21792774

>Hardly any fantasy shows up if I were to rank them.
Fantasy is a genre that is all too easy to make feel generic. If I try to remember elements from the past 3 fantasy books I have read, the details kind of just blend together and no one book has an element that really sets it apart from the rest. NotW felt somewhat unique in regards to what it did with its magic system and sympathy, although a more mechanical approach to magic might have been tried although I don't think I have encountered it.

[Anonymous No.21792843]

>>21788650
fucking troons forcing themselves into shit, golem get ye gone

[Anonymous No.21793014]

>>21792596
ya youll be going back several times throughout your life. It's like the bible but gayer

[Anonymous No.21793441]

[Anonymous No.21793583]

I really wish someone would help us poorfags out and make a digital copy of the Folio Society's recent reprinting of BotNS.

[Anonymous No.21793658]

>>21793583
modern art is dogshit and gay

[Anonymous No.21793662]

>>21792760
>but he was writing something other than bone stock fantasy
Was he? I don't think he was, honestly. I really think it's all incredibly straightforward and that there's no unreliable narration. Now even if there was, it doesn't come to anything. With Wolfe it's as much about the character and grounding the protagonist as a real person more than playing with tropes.
And as for contemporary fantasy, I only like John C. Wright. He's not a master, but he consistently manages to be incredibly entertaining and cool as he manages to put tons of cheesy stuff in the novels while still staying believable.

[Anonymous No.21793745]

The first chapter was boring as fuck so I dropped that shit. Later losers

[Anonymous No.21793837]

>>21790632
Does anyone know what languages (if any) Wolfe knew besides English? Apparently he had a Greek tutor to write Latro (from reddit based off a quick search).

[Anonymous No.21793839]

>>21792801
The magic is great and based in real occult principles done in a very sensible way. The world being post-medieval is also refreshing.

>>21793662
There's a figure-ground relationship on whether it's a deconstruction to some degree or just written by a pompous male feminist who thinks he's smarter than he is. A case can be made both ways. I don't think it's high art like Wolfe reaches, but he is working in the realm of character studies (done to death, but in the 80s) and not writing the usual epic schlock or straight pulp. It's a different kind of schlock. I think it speaks more to how much fantasy dipped in quality through the 00s and how stale it became that NotW got so much attention from within and without fantasy circles. It was probably just riding the Potter wave but even that did something different enough to distinguish it.

I'll have to check out Wright, I think the last fantasy I read was Brent Weeks and it soured me on the genre for a long time.

>>21792774
Genre lit is a dumpster, the only things that stand out for me personally are Farseer, Piranesi, Little Big, and some classic pulp. It's too samey and designed for consumptive habits on the whole. The metagame of getting published and autistic and escapist reader habits weighs it down more than sci fi.

[Anonymous No.21793873]

>>21790632
I am so retarded I though it was a portmanteau of tooth and stone, thinking the natives didn't need tools because they could just rely on their teeth.

[Anonymous No.21794014]

>>21780119
Except it does, so.

[Anonymous No.21794023]

>>21782362
meds

[Anonymous No.21794043]

>>21782914
>He does the same thing in Short Sun too, where the first novel is a fast-paced, pulpy, yet dense and fascinating adventure, then by the third book the narrative is so discombobulated that at times it's harder to stay interested than I wanted it to be.
Personally that part of what I love about it. Out of everything I've read regarding unreliable or sketchy narration, be it Nabby, Beckett, Calvino, Perec, the other Oulipo authors, Short Sun is by far the strangest piece of fiction I've ever read. It becomes such a compelling labyrinth of narration, of letters nested in stories, stories within dialogue, myths moving backwards and forwards through the plot, perspective shifting and melding into one another in a kaleidoscope that makes my head spin. It beggars belief how he pulled it off.

[Anonymous No.21794137]

>>21794043
>Book of the Short Sun, monsieur?

[Anonymous No.21794206]

>>21794043
Good post, I loved Short Sun but still have no clue what to make of it.
Going from Horn the reasonably straightforward historian of Long Sun to an astral-travelling schizo with a recombined soul just vomiting snippets of his adventures onto the page was incredibly jarring. Kaleidoscope is a great way to describe it.
As maddening as it is, I really like that there's an entire New Sun level mythology to the new worlds (the gods and megatheria, dreamtime, the Neighbors' soul magic(?), inconsistent links to the NS world) but Wolfe doesn't even throw you a bone with clues or explanations, the icing on the cake being that Silkhorn bails on the whole project without any sort of wrap-up and his family has to scrape together an ending.
"Fever dream" is such a trite descriptor but man.

[Anonymous No.21794261]

>>21794206
>"Fever dream" is such a trite descriptor but man.
The handful of works it honestly applies to deserve the appellation.

[Anonymous No.21794306]

>>21794043
Yes, it was more effective than the similar usage in Long Sun because the things that are happening are so bizarre and it's just one after another. I also enjoyed the conversations in Green's Jungles a lot because of the intrigue with the inhumi. But at some point I just had to accept that I wasn't going to understand a lot of what was happening and move on.

[Anonymous No.21794349]

>>21777727
Ok, but is it also bussin'?

[Anonymous No.21794619]

>>21794306
Ask your questions about Short Sun and I will try to answer them

[Anonymous No.21794828]

>>21794619
Appreciate that but I don't want to spoil a reread for myself anyway, I already got a few juicy details from Marc Aramini's videos that cut to the core of things deeper than I wanted. Notwithstanding that not all of his insights are gospel.

[Anonymous No.21795100]

>>21794349
Frfr