Borges

[Anonymous No.21776739]

I've really been enjoying "Collected Fictions" by Jorge Luis Borges. It's interesting to see that retro movies like Inception took all their ideas from Borges. What are some other authors that have a similar "intellectual" vibe?

[Anonymous No.21776749]

>>21776739
Inception was a rip-off of a Don Rosa Uncle Scrooge comic

[Anonymous No.21776753]

>>21776739
Jung

[Anonymous No.21777408]

>>21776749
>>21776753
thanks :3

[Anonymous No.21777429]

>>21776739
Kafka
Borges' mentor Macedonio Fernandez

[Anonymous No.21777430]

Ted Chiang

[Anonymous No.21777495]

>>21777430
I downloaded Exhalation. Looking forward to it

[Anonymous No.21777707]

>>21776739
milorad pavic

[Anonymous No.21777719]

Cortazar
Kafka
Pessoa

[Anonymous No.21777787]

>>21777719

Fabulous

[Anonymous No.21777794]

>>21777707

Khazars. Spooky. Interesting.

[Anonymous No.21777798]

>>21777429
Fuck yeah. Here's your elephant.

[Anonymous No.21777882]

>>21777798
Elephants suck!

[Anonymous No.21777910]

>>21776739
>retro movies
Try harder

[Anonymous No.21777916]

>Kalevala
>Golden Bough
Kafka probably

[Anonymous No.21777923]

>>21776739
Umberto Eco

[Anonymous No.21777924]

Phillip Dick

Probably more movies based on his books than any other sci-fi/speculative fiction writer.

[Anonymous No.21777929]

>>21777924
Wells has more.

[Anonymous No.21777930]

>>21777923
kek

[Grant Morrison & Frank Quitely No.21777934]

Try the "collected" editions of "New X-Men"

One-Dimensional Cyclops Only Wants One Thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFSHzp_lKFo
And It/s Fuckin Disgusting

[Anonymous No.21777977]

>>21776739
>retro movies like Inception
How has no one picked up on this bait yet?

[Anonymous No.21777983]

I've never understood why people like Borges. He's like meme after meme after mirror after time after eternity after circle of infinity up the time of exotic blue tigers eating bananas on a mountain shaped like a knife.

[Anonymous No.21778301]

>>21777923
Umberto Eco. Faucoult's Pendulum might as well be a list of cool wikipedia articles about the occult. Don't get me wrong, it's fun to look up Rosicrucians but he doesn't have the talent to write an actual story or characters.

[Anonymous No.21778305]

>>21777977
but did you notice thats NOT actually a poster for Inception... but actually a poster for Geostorm...?

[Anonymous No.21778311]

>>21777983
"Maybe I'm not cut out to be dead, but this place and this conversation seem like a dream to me, and not a dream that I am dreaming, either. More like a dream dreamed by somebody else, somebody that's not born yet."

actual quote lol

[Anonymous No.21778326]

>>21778311
Kino.

[Anonymous No.21778484]

>>21776739
>retro movies like Inception

A movie from 2010 is retro now?

[Anonymous No.21778489]

>>21778305
Damn, this has layers.

[Anonymous No.21778629]

>>21776739
Read berkeley and hume if youre curious about borges’ inspirations

[Anonymous No.21779057]

>>21778489
That's only the first layer.

[Anonymous No.21779079]

>>21776739
calvino

[Anonymous No.21779428]

>>21779079
Elephant

[Anonymous No.21779477]

>>21777910
Inception is retro in one way

[Anonymous No.21779540]

>>21779477
Ellen Page was born a male but was turned into eunuch

[Anonymous No.21779656]

unrelated but i remember seeing articles a while ago about an unpublished manuscript surfacing with clickbaity titles about the dark web but i cant find anything now. was it just memoryholed or am i remembering wrong?

[Anonymous No.21779674]

>>21779656
oh like Borges wrote some spooky shit that they tried to get rid of?

[Anonymous No.21779779]

>>21776739
But why, why no one ever mentions Poe the Goat. Its the progenitor of all this type of shit. Gorges was inspired by him. "A dream within a dream" its one of Poe s poems. Why going Beta if you can go Alpha?

[Anonymous No.21780800]

>>21776739
Encyclopedia of the Dead

[Anonymous No.21781922]

>>21776739
Salvador Elizondo can be a bit derivative of Borges in some of his short stories but in his novels he takes his borgesianism to new, more interesting areas and creates something new. Bolaño can be borgesian. You'd maybe like Reyes and Schwob too. If you're desperate for something like Borges you can read Bellatín, though I find him completely boring and derivative after reading one of his novels, and he isn't as original as he'd like to think.
>>21777983
He's the most lucid and universal of all Latin American authors. Even if a big part of his stories were intellectual games (they were not in the sense that they were banal; but all that is worthy is a game) he is still a profound observer of men. A lot of his stories really just seem like excuses to get at one trascendental moment that he dresses up as a mere triviality. There really has never been someone like him…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu6ITHLbu2o

[Anonymous No.21782031]

>>21781922
Nice. Have you read his non-fiction or Poems?

Also what's you favorite story of his ? I love The Circular Ruins and The Shape of the Sword

[Anonymous No.21782087]

>>21782031
I've read only a couple of his poems and I found them nice, I really like his poem on Facundo, do you particularly like any? His non-fiction is great and it's always a joy reading Borges write about literature. I always find his essays when I least expect them.
>The Circular Ruins and The Shape of the Sword
Both very good choices. My personal favorites are Averroe's Search and El Aleph. El fin is a much more minor, but it's a perfect short story. I love it.
I've been sad and distracted. I think I just need to read more Borges.

[Anonymous No.21782158]

>>21779779
Because Poe is not very good.

[Anonymous No.21782175]

>>21782158
Filtered by the british lenguage

[Anonymous No.21782176]

Borges was an active participant in Macedonio's intimate tertulias, both in Buenos Aires bars and cafés and in a shack Macedonio sometimes borrowed on a friend's ranch outside the city. He also was one of the collaborators in Macedonio's burlesque campaigns for the presidency of the Argentine Republic (in 1921 and again in 1927), episodes which apparently gave rise to the analogous fictional campaign in Museo. In addition, Borges was responsible for urging Macedonio to publish at least one of the two book-length works printed in Macedonio's lifetime, No toda es vigilia la de los ojos abiertos, in 1926.

The relationship between Borges and Macedonio appears to have begun to deteriorate around 1927 or 1928, when correspondence (published and analyzed by Carlos García) indicates a rift between them. This is also about the time that Borges made his famous break with the avant-garde and pronounced the death of Argentine ultraísmo, essentially forcing the closure of its most important publication, the little magazine Martín Fierro, after its sixteenth issue. The two events may not be coincidental. From 1927 onward, Borges not only started to write, publish and promote his characteristic short fiction (beginning with "Hombre de la esquina rosada"), he aggressively renounced his prior aesthetic production and put considerable energy into burying it forever. A number of sources (Donald Shaw in particular) suggest that Borges began to regard most of his early writings, and the ideas behind them, as potentially pernicious, especially in the hands of nationalists. Supporting this notion is the fact that many of Borges's stories in which Macedonio's influence is most evident imply a warning against concepts and principles Macedonio represented: absolute relativism; the priority of thought, emotion and imagination over a nominal existence; and the implicit heroism of a hermetic existence.

[Anonymous No.21782182]

>>21782176
Macedonio was Jorge Luis Borges's most important Argentine mentor and influence. The relationship between the writers, however, was far more complex than Borges or his contemporaries represented it to be. In his later years, Borges made a point of naming Macedonio as an early influence whom, in the exuberance of his youth, Borges imitated "to the point of plagiarism." At the same time, Borges denied that Macedonio possessed any literary talent or importance, reinforcing the long-held perception of the older man as a kind of local Socratic philosopher, specific to Argentina and constitutive of an Argentine mythic dimension.

Recent studies by Ana Camblong, Julio Prieto, Daniel Attala and Todd S. Garth, among others, indicate that Macedonio's literary impact on Borges was far more profound and enduring than Borges ever admitted, and that Borges went to great pains to hide this influence. Many of the most fundamental concepts underpinning Borges' fiction come directly from Macedonio. These include the questioning of space and time and their continuity; the confusion of dreaming and wakefulness; the unreliability of memory and the importance of forgetfulness; the slipperiness (or nonexistence) of personal identity; the denial of originality and the emphasis on texts as being recyclings and translations of prior texts; and the questioning and commingling of the roles of author, reader, editor and commentator.

These influences extend to thematic material. Such themes include the conceit of an alternative, fictional dimension, elaborated anonymously in collaboration, that invades the known, tangible world (Borges' "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" and Macedonio's campaign to transform Buenos Aires by turning it into a novel, a component of his Museo de la Novela de la Eterna); and the hermetic world of immigrant working girls who must negotiate the city on their own, secret terms based purely on instinct and passion (Borges' "Emma Zunz" and Macedonio's Adriana Buenos Aires). While it is evident both men were inspired by ideas they read in the works of late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century philosophers (specifically Schopenhauer and Bergson), there is little question that the two Argentines developed some of their most characteristic and enduring ideas together, in conversation, throughout the 1920s. Macedonio appears explicitly in Borges' "Dialogue about a Dialogue,"[2] in which the two discuss the immortality of the soul.

[Anonymous No.21782184]

>>21782182
The relationship between these two men began in earnest in 1921, when Borges returned to Buenos Aires with his family after their extended stay in Switzerland (and travels elsewhere in Europe), where he had completed his education. Borges' father, Jorge Guillermo Borges Haslam, had been a close companion to Macedonio and attended law school with him. Upon graduating law school, Macedonio, the elder Borges, and companion Julio Molina y Vedia hatched a plan to found a utopian colony based on the anarchist principles of Élisée Reclus. This plan apparently never went beyond an exploratory visit the three made around 1897 to a plantation the Molina y Vedia family owned in the Argentine Chaco, near the Bolivian border. During the years prior to 1921, Macedonio married, started a law practice and went about raising a family. This idyll came to an end when Macedonio's wife, Elena de Obieta, died suddenly in 1920. Macedonio then shuttered his law practice, dismantled his household and, about the same time as he renewed his friendship with the now adult Jorge Luis Borges, embarked on a life as an idiosyncratic writer-philosopher.

[Anonymous No.21782191]

>>21782184
>>21782182
>>21782176
Very interesting. What's this from?

[Anonymous No.21782229]

>>21782158
When I hear Poe I think of a frumpy bimbo gradeschool English teacher

[Anonymous No.21782261]

>>21782087
>Averroe's Search and El Aleph. El fin
I'll definitely be reading those. Just got into Borges. Mesmerizing stuff.

[Anonymous No.21782306]

>>21776739
J.G. Ballard. He's a better writer as well.

[Anonymous No.21782380]

>>21782306
Well I would assume so. He doesn't have the handicap of thinking and speaking in Spanish

[Anonymous No.21782401]

>>21782380
but isn't there something nice about dumbing down and dipping oneself into the lazy river of simpleton mystical Spanish/Arabic thinking? It makes me feel herbal and earthy like shopping at Trader Joes or watching Dances with Wolves

[Anonymous No.21782531]

>>21782191
Wiki

[Anonymous No.21783273]

>>21777924
>Phillip Dick
>Probably more movies based on his books than any other sci-fi/speculative fiction writer.
>>21777929
>Wells has more.

This is probably true, but they're all remakes of the same two or three. There are far more distinct works by Dick that have been made into movies: Blade Runner, Total Recall, The Man in the High Castle, A Scanner Darkly, The Adjustment Bureau, Minority Report, and I think a couple others too.

[Anonymous No.21784620]

>>21782306
I have loved his short stories but I read The Drowned World and the second half with the pirates (who are quite explicitly racist caricatures) was confusing. I guess it was supposed to be a pastiche of old pirate novels but unless there was some deeper symbolic meaning with that it seems a bit dumb. Definitely pretty silly compared the complex psychological depth he gets to with his other work.

[Anonymous No.21784651]

>>21776739
Nabokov’s “Pale Fire” is one of his most Borgesian novels and also more explicitly philosophical than many of his others. Surprised it hasn’t been mentioned yet.

[Anonymous No.21784668]

>>21782158
fuck you

[Anonymous No.21785366]

>>21784651
>999-line poem titled "Pale Fire"
Not to be anti-intellectual, but I have so much to read before I read a 666 novel by the Pedo-Bible author

[Anonymous No.21785485]

>>21782087
I haven't read his non-fictions. I peaked at the first essay and it's all about how no one is a real person. All character is fabricated. Which I disagree with and frankly think is lame. Is Borges a doomer or does he lighten up in later essays?

[Gianni Lapongo No.21785506]

Dino Buzzati.

[Anonymous No.21785528]

>>21785366
Checked

How old are you, like in late high school or early undergrad years? I like the Yeezy gif and I’m all for calling out the Satanic pedo elite and their symbolism and numerology, but Nabokov doesn’t quite fit that, my man. The poem is meant to be 1,000 lines, with the last quaintly cut off due to the circumstances of the novel. The commentator Kinbote offers that it’s likely, to preserve the symmetry of the poem, that the 1,000th line is a repeat of the first line: “I was the shadow of the waxwing slain.” Nabokov is kind of an elitist snobbish autist but also a very beautiful writer and pulls on your heartstrings, at his best.

Lolita is a condemnation of H.H.’s character and famously, he actually subverted salacious readers’ expectations that the novel would be far more risqué and explicit it's it really was, to justify it’s being censored. But read whatever you want little niglet (I’m Black and trans btw).

[Writeranon No.21785545]

>>21784651
>philosophical
As every Nabokov book, whenever he is grasping for profound ideas he only looks ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.21785603]

>>21785528
>The poem is meant to be 1,000 lines, with the last quaintly cut off due...
lol I don't buy that for a second

>I’m a Eunuch btw
Pills and self-mutilation are a dead end. Read the book of Matthew and do what Jesus says for like a month. Trust me you'll be way happier and have a clearer mind.

[Anonymous No.21785625]

>>21785545
He’s not Plato, that’s true, and as Martin Amis said, you can sometimes “hear the clatter of surgical tools in his writing” (including in the way he structures his novels, I’d add), but Pale Fire works a bit better than his other novels I’ve read in terms of philosophical/thematic depth. It’s a multilayered meditation on Barthes’s concept of “the death of the author” (Nabokov detests this idea and is parodying it), on death itself, the existence of life after death, synchronicity, and the existence of God.

Other authors are better at writing philosophical novels (even Philip K. Dick, I’d add), but P.F. is a good response for anyone trying to find a “Borgesian” novel.

[Anonymous No.21785626]

>>21785603
Kek im busting your chops man I’m not actually a “transgender” as the kids call it these days.

[Anonymous No.21785629]

>>21785603
> lol I don't buy that for a second
You don’t buy that actual explanation and plot device given in the novel itself?

[Anonymous No.21785630]

>>21785625
>surgical tools
I see why you like it

[Anonymous No.21785638]

>>21785630
Set myself up for that one. That’s actual wit! Kudos.

[Anonymous No.21785643]

>>21785629
No. People lie. Especially people who associate with hexagons and 6's.

[Anonymous No.21785739]

>>21785485
Wouldn't say he's a doomer, but I've mostly read his essays on literature. I'd say he is very funny in most of his nonfiction and never really pessimistic; he always stays clearheaded. He can also be very cruel, like when he called Reyes and imbecile, and then stopped to say maybe we all in the end are imbeciles, after which he continued shitting on him. That was also very funny.
I didn't know Weinberger edited Borges' nonfiction, but that's nice.

[Anonymous No.21786674]

>>21776739
Ted Chiang

[Anonymous No.21786844]

>>21776739
Christopher priest and John fowles