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Anonymous Fri Mar 10 19:42:29 2023 No.21767017 [Reply] [Original]

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2023/03/white-people-in-shakespeare-book-plays-race/673341/

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 19:48:59 2023 No.21767042 >>21767017 Aaaaahhh I'm so enraged ahhhhhhhhh

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:02:29 2023 No.21767096 They're about race in the sense that only an Englishman can reach such Elysian heights, such communion with the muses and such nobility of expression.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:18:35 2023 No.21767150 >>21767017 Mental illness.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:19:59 2023 No.21767158 >whywouldyousaysomethingsocontroversialyetsobrave.jpg

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:22:07 2023 No.21767166 >>21767017 Are they doing a series on race + lit? Last week they had a piece on Gatsby being black.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:23:23 2023 No.21767171 >>21767017 >hamlet is about race Imagine being this much of a hylic

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:26:48 2023 No.21767183 Good morning. I hate liberals.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:29:29 2023 No.21767195 I don't care enough to comment anymore. Just call me when the gamer uprising starts.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:32:03 2023 No.21767206

>>21767017
>White people have for so long been taken as the universal norm in the Western canon that to name them as white is to engage in critical race study
Kek, when you're so woke you come around to embracing White identity as real.
Almost like these societies were almost entirely white & so didn't even consider it as salient as other categories, like religion or nationality.
This is like writing:
>In the middle ages Catholicism was for so long been taken as the universal norm in the Medieval canon that to name them as Catholic is to engage in critical religious studies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:33:04 2023 No.21767209 >>21767017 too gay; didn't read

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:33:48 2023 No.21767214 >>21767017 Just say 'No' to ragebait; It can't infuriate you without your consent!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:35:19 2023 No.21767225 File: 227 KB, 750x873, cleopatra-4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21767017 >Cleopatra, the African queen

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:40:46 2023 No.21767258 >>21767225 Africa begins at the Balkans

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:42:54 2023 No.21767260 >>21767258 Africa begins at Calais

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:45:25 2023 No.21767271 >>21767260 Africa begins at antartica

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:46:20 2023 No.21767275 File: 102 KB, 630x900, FqHmDCjXsAEc16p.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21767017 Why has the media been so obsessed with white people recently?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:48:41 2023 No.21767280 >>21767275 What other sort of people is there?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:49:43 2023 No.21767283 >>21767017 Shakespeare was BIPOC. To engage in critical race study of one of the first POC authors is regressive and reactionary. Arthur L. Little is suffering from internalized racism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 21:24:55 2023 No.21767402 >>21767017 these people can't stop themselves. they have a completely unchecked compulsion to perceive everything in terms of the privilege pyramid. White male domination over others is the single fundamental axiom of the universe for them.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 21:48:25 2023 No.21767472

>>21767402
I doubt they believe it. But the hot take moloch needs feeding and they're $90k in debt after their liberal arts degree and those twitter interactions won't monetise themselves and getting a proper job is either too intellectually demanding or too much hard work or too blue collar for them to live with themselves. So boilerplate critical theory it is.
Can the AI produce at this level yet? Can't be far off

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 22:08:05 2023 No.21767533

>>21767472
>>21767402
The really amazing thing is that they’re all saying the exact same thing over and over. You already know every single beat they’re gonna use because it’s the same two notes.
I wanna zoom out from “stop getting baited” to “who is this even for”. Is it the rythmic hallelujah, praise the Lord of a black church remade into Focaultian imitation meat? Rows of converts dutifully click to find out that racism is still everywhere and responsible for all the evil in the world. We’re bathed in sin but through the power of belief we can rise above! Amen! Cast out the demon. Say his name! Ypipo! Ypipo! Hallelujah, amen!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 22:09:59 2023 No.21767537 >>21767017 >NOOO!, /pol/bros, not our Shakespearino!!!!! I predict this thread will be full of snowflakes crying about the end of le western civilization.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 22:11:26 2023 No.21767540 >>21767275 The Zimbabwean countryside still feels like a desolate shithole that is 100% black. We can - and will - change this (I'm Chinese).

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 22:17:54 2023 No.21767558 >>21767166 Anon, they are always doing a series on race. Everywhere, all the time, about any subject.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 22:24:09 2023 No.21767572 >21767537 I'm not dignifying that with a (You)

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 01:35:54 2023 No.21768223 >>21767096 >Enslaved by Germanic tribe >Larps like they aren't lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 02:49:44 2023 No.21768519 They are right. Race as well as humanity is a recent concept which can be traced back to Shakespeare. Harold Bloom literally said the same shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 02:55:34 2023 No.21768545 >>21768519 How?

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 03:00:54 2023 No.21768563

>>21768519
>Race as well as humanity is a recent concept
Except that's not what the article talked about, and if that was their claim then why focus on the "whiteness" of Shakespear?
If it's a made up recent concept, then how does it make sense to focus on it in old literature that wouldn't have that exact concept?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 03:04:00 2023 No.21768570 >>21767540 Kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 03:09:30 2023 No.21768581 >>21767017 Oh god Othello in school. I remember test questions asking what his skin color was

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 03:17:04 2023 No.21768603 >>21767017 Shakesphere introduced me to the term “moor” and then ten years later I read confederacy of dunces and had one of the biggest guffaws of my life, so to him and black people everywhere, I am grateful

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 04:57:51 2023 No.21768883 >>21768223 >the Normans were enslaved by germanic tribes

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 05:09:31 2023 No.21768918
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>>21767017
Daily reminder communist on this faggot web forum/imitation subreddit will tell you with a straight face that you’re the insane one for objecting to this insane theory. I remember when it was 2011 and they told me to just ignore it because it was “just weirdos on tumblr”. These freaks won’t stop until they’ve made life intolerable for white people.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 05:13:23 2023 No.21768932
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>>21767214
>”Just ignore it!!! You’re just as bad as them for disagreeing with it!!! It doesn’t actually effect anything!!!!”
>*books are now being excised of “problematic content” but Jewish publishers*
>”Well, idc about those books anyway, so it’s not a big deal. You’re just mentally ill and being brainwashed by the culture war!!!”

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 07:45:52 2023 No.21769272 >>21767042 fpbp

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 07:47:07 2023 No.21769277 >>21768918 this everyone in this thread needs to read this post btw >>21768380

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 07:53:45 2023 No.21769295

>>21767214
As an ex-Jew, I wonder about the reasoning here. If a White person publish something that's nasty to me back when I was Jewish I would attack them. I would destroy them. Now that I am a Christian I just have to grin and bear it. It's the most fascinating feeling

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 07:57:21 2023 No.21769303

>>21769277
Canada is a cancer. I straight up had someone deny me a job because I was "too White" and call me up many years later to offer it to me because there weren't enough Black candidate
I said fuck it, I'm living in the land of the free now (Serbia)

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 09:05:36 2023 No.21769452 >>21767533 I suspect we can take this article, substitute the references from Shakespeare to say Henry Fielding, from play to novel, inserting Tom Jones or Joseph Andrews as appropriate, and the sense and argument will remain

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 11:09:31 2023 No.21769744

I've not read the article so perhaps im missing the point but the headline brings to mind my uni's eng dep attempts at modernizing itself. We now have a course on 'environmentalism in the classics' and something about orientalism and Salman Rushdie.

And whatever i do CS, this is none of my business, but it's all so obviously an adults, pathetic attempt at being relevant with the youth it's sickening .
'you want race, right .... well the classics are all about race. Please take my course ... i'll make it about the environment, feminism, donald trump , just for gods sake dont leave. ... i hate white people too'

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 12:18:48 2023 No.21769863 >>21768932 >effect

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 12:21:56 2023 No.21769869 >>21768932 And what does your impotent rage change anything

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 13:00:55 2023 No.21769922 Why do leftists want to segregate race? Isn't the whole goal to kill race inequality?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 13:03:38 2023 No.21769923 >>21767017 Ah yes, Taming of the Shrew. Famous for it's its racial commentary.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 14:00:06 2023 No.21770055 >>21769922 >Isn't the whole goal to kill race inequality? Jesus dude, how do you still think that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 14:16:10 2023 No.21770086 >>21767540 based

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