/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.21764730]

A Bitter Duel edition

Previous thread:>>21760778

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[Anonymous No.21764739]

First for twilight

[Anonymous No.21764752]

Someone said sequel to Bastion soon. I hope it's not too woke!

[Anonymous No.21764793]

>The No-God: Book One: Reign in Kell

[Anonymous No.21764824]

Any good 'progression' fantasy that isn't a 'hurry up and wait' and filled with unrealistic dialogue?

[Anonymous No.21764834]

>>21764824
Explain.

[Anonymous No.21764845]

Is Solo Leveling any good?
I have never read any korean stuff before but I hear SL get mentions a lot

[Anonymous No.21764874]

>>21764793
Is Bakker dead?

[Anonymous No.21764894]

>>21764845
No. Its most notable achievement is having a web comic with some good art, the actual content is terrible.

[Anonymous No.21764911]

>>21764874
Likely. Or committed to a mental health facility.

[Anonymous No.21764916]

Maybe the real Bakker was the friends we made along the way.

[Anonymous No.21764942]

>>21764752
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.21764962]

This tier list is objectively correct and if you disagree then I implore you to throw your internet router in the garbage along with your phone because you don't deserve to be talking with me.

[Anonymous No.21764971]

>>21764962
It's actually hard to believe this is anyone's real opinion. It almost feels like a random shuffle to me. Did you randomize this just to make people argue, or something?

[Anonymous No.21764973]

>>21764971
once again, it is just objectively correct. Now I assume you have a trash can or are near a dumpster of some sort?

[Anonymous No.21765028]

>>21764962
seems random but okish list. Where is Wolfe? The Fifth Head of Cerberus is S tier
The the Killing Star or Blindsight on B tier or R A Laffery's Past Master in S tier

I dunno seems too random and not enough. Maybe you haven't read enough

[Anonymous No.21765043]

>>21765028
Keep going with the S tier. Name 10 S tier, in fact.

[Anonymous No.21765046]

>>21765028
the book of the new sun is S tier. However, you did call it "okay-ish" therefore it is guaranteed you have shit sub-human opinions.

[Anonymous No.21765175]

>>21764942
Huh?

[Anonymous No.21765271]

[Anonymous No.21765277]

Men will be obsolete. The robots will forget our HERITAGE and move towards AI generated entertainment, instead of reading fiction about our OLD WAYS.

[Anonymous No.21765289]

>>21765277
If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine AI generating kung fu muscle mommies... forever.

[Anonymous No.21765301]

[Anonymous No.21765330]

>>21764793
Coming this summer.

[Anonymous No.21765333]

>>21764874
No. He said he's spending more time with his family, especially his daughters.

[Anonymous No.21765337]

>>21765301
>Mekeritrig that low
Miss this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe. Bakker really should have fleshed out the ordeal's opposition more. It shouldn't just been a sranc wall for 2 and three quarter books.

[Anonymous No.21765341]

>>21764730
Is this series worth getting into? I liked the show.

[Anonymous No.21765345]

>>21764962
I really doubt you'd even read Infinite Jest all the way through if you ranked so many other good books that low. But I do love Ballard so I'll suggest you read Vermilion Sands. It's my fav short story collection in sci fi.

[Anonymous No.21765350]

>>21765341
My GM in a tabletop game keeps recommending the show. I don't know how much he reads. He calls it "hard sci fi" but I don't think it really is.

[Anonymous No.21765404]

>>21764834
Something with actual character/skill progression instead of 5+ chapters wasted on fighting proverbial crabs. As for realistic dialogue, how people would actually converse in a life and death situation and not anime lines?
>>21764894
A million times this, the story in the third and fourth act is absolute dog shit.

[Anonymous No.21765513]

>>21765341
The guy who isn't daniel abraham isn't a good writer so if you've watched the show you've probably already got the story in the best way you're going to get it.

[Anonymous No.21765539]

>>21765350
Uh I'm that gm. Be careful about what you post

[Anonymous No.21765562]

>>21765350
>don't think it really is.
It set in space abord different planets, on board spaceships and it has ayyys. It is definitely sci-fi anon.

[Anonymous No.21765563]

>>21765341
show is better imo, at least for seasons 1-3. ending with the Ring activating in case you forgot
SyFy channel tried and succeeded in many ways in adapting it. not sure if Amazon continued this for season 4+, haven't watched it.

going to agree with this
>>21765513
Franck wrote Holden.
Holden dialogue and internal monologues, specifically in book 1, felt extremely amateur. Not even sure if amateur is the right word, but it felt weird or "off" to read.
I'd like to say it got better in book 2, but I'm honestly not sure if it wasn't just my brain glossing over it.

the same guy also wrote Bobbie and Anna but I didn't get the same feeling with them

[Anonymous No.21765568]

>>21765562
Hard sci fi wouldn't just mean spaceships and aliens, anon. It needs logic and reason. If they have intergalactic flight or alien lifeforms, then it better be explained properly.

[Anonymous No.21765569]

>>21764962
Premise of The Drowned World looks pretty cool, but is it any good?

[Anonymous No.21765574]

>>21765569
It's okay from what I read, but it got a bit boring. It's not as good as his other work. I like his short stories more.

[Anonymous No.21765720]

I read Dorsai last night. I like how the characters are each built around a focused idea and exist to realise it. The pacing was kind of weird though, when all was said and done it feels like the pertinent parts of the plot could fit in a few paragraphs.

[Anonymous No.21765731]

>/sffg/'s are slow threads on a slow board, they can easily last a week or more

>>21764962
>objectively
>hyperion
Wow, where can I upvote this heckin' awesome rourine ritualpost?

[Anonymous No.21765783]

[Anonymous No.21765801]

>>21765783
Why is it always giant bugs

[Anonymous No.21765805]

>>21765801
They're really scary if they weren't so small compared to us: industrious, communicative, never need much sleep, always expanding, organised with hierarchy, warlike and colonialist. They're the perfect model for threatening aliens. That, or fungoid aliens that can spread quickly and rot everything.

[Anonymous No.21765806]

>>21765801
bugs look freaky and very different with the exoskeleton
the premise just got overused quickly, larry niven and three body problem did it better

[Anonymous No.21765816]

>>21764730
Just finished Book of the New Sun, really enjoyed it. Should I stew over it then reread it before starting Urth?

[Anonymous No.21765823]

>>21765816
You can read Urth, it's also great. Not as good, but a really interesting work that is going to answer many questions.

[Anonymous No.21765849]

What is the hands down, no bullshitting, best science fiction book ever written?

[Anonymous No.21765852]

>>21765823
I love that kind of shit. Wolfe's writing style is exactly what I've been looking for.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.21765885]

>>21764730
Consider Phlebas, Culture #1, Iain M. Banks (1987)

Consider Phlebas was much more of an action-thriller than I expected it to be. There are ideas presented and there's a lot implied in the background, but for the most part it's a series of misadventures and disasters. There's one chapter that's entirely horror focused, which seemed rather out of place to me. This is the most I've ever felt a novel to be a fix-up that as far I can tell never was. I found it strange how many of the early chapters could be considered self-contained stories that have little to nothing to do with any other part of the story.

The narrative excels at scale, though mostly in the shock and awe sense presented through numbers and implications imagined by the reader. There's a vast array of species and civilizations from all technological levels and seemingly endless variation. The galaxy is highly populated relative to most science fiction and doesn't have any singular dominant group. There aren't any homo sapiens, though the term human is used, and Earth doesn't have the slightest reference.

The book also does very well in showing how meaningless and insignificant everything you thought that matters is. Some may like it for that alone. The post-story content especially attempts to drive this home and I think it succeeded. It's what I liked most from the book, though I would've preferred it to be the narrative instead. I realize that may seem contradictory, but apparently I don't mind it when presented on a sweeping and impersonal historical scale versus specific personal examples.

More than anything else this book showed me what I didn't like and why I didn't like it. I want chapters to have meaningful relations to each other. I don't want to read about a tragically underqualified crew going on catastrophic adventures played straight. I don't want a cast of undeveloped and disposable characters. Maybe everything written is more realistic in terms of its outcome, but that's not the sort of realism that I want.

There seems to be a common warning not to start Banks with this book, and I understand why now, though not by comparison to his other works. I echo this warning, because surely what else he's written must be better, and since they seem to have very little to do with each other, there doesn't seem to be any compelling reason to not start elsewhere. I couldn't help myself though, and this is also where another who was reading it wanted to start.

I don't like the style of how this was written. I don't know how much that affected my enjoyment or what I thought about the book in general. If you don't have the same problem, you may it enjoy considerably more than what I've written here. This wasn't a success in terms of coming back to try a series. I don't know if I'll give Banks another try or not, even though supposedly the next in the series is far superior and a worthwhile book in general. If I do, it won't be anytime soon.

Rating: 2/5

[Anonymous No.21765887]

>>21765885
Current Ratings
One Star 0
Two Stars 8
Three Stars 9
Four Stars 10
Five Stars 9

/sffg/
36 ratings
3.56 average

GR
85,385 ratings
3.86 average

[Anonymous No.21765902]

>>21765885
It's all like this. The Culture is a redditor hedonistic nihilist's idea of sci-fi utopia.

[Anonymous No.21765904]

>>21764962
>pretty much all of D tier is actually S tier
bad bait

[Anonymous No.21765913]

>>21765801
The play off our natural fear of chinks.

[Anonymous No.21765919]

>>21765885
Dang, I actually had this on my backlog too. I think I tried to read it years ago but wasn't into it; and I've since sleuthed around to no avail in finding a Culture infograph/chart/anything so reading order it is. Maybe I'll post my own review when I get around to it since I dislike yours (reviews) and think differently but I'm self-admittedly bad at reviews.
>guy who just read feersum enjinn by the same author

[Anonymous No.21765927]

>>21764962
1/10 got me to reply

[Anonymous No.21765934]

>>21765885
not to hate on your opinion, but from Hamza's perspective everyone is pretty insignificant, because they're random nobodies and he can't commandeer the ship or a comms unit or something to get in touch with the idirians. That's probably the book's biggest plot hole, why not just tell the ship's captain in confidence "i have friends in powerful places, they will pay you massively if you return me" rather than zooming around doing random shit with the pirates.

That said, I really enjoyed the episodic nature of the book because it stands alone in the culture series with regard to having unique environments that actually hamper the character. In most of the books there is a ship or a Mind at hand so all obstacles can be displaced around or solved instantly, but in Consider Phlebas Hamza is on his own and has to actually get around the massive world, giving it much more scale. For instance, the whole orbital arc was pretty cool, including the Damage game. It gave Banks a great opportunity to world build while still moving the subplot forward (as well as the meta plot of the Iridian war).

While I enjoyed it on the first read through, I really appreciated it a lot more the second time going through the series with all the additional Culture context. For example, all of the chapters about the Culture's high strategic command, the girl that was just born for luck or whatever - that shit is really interesting in the context of how the Culture functions in every other book.. To think that a human is actually being consulted for strategic advice by all of these Minds is pretty ridiculous, and it only shows up in this book, which is awesome. Also, this is the only book where the Culture actually gets into a shooting war, which is also awesome in the context of the next 10 books where the Culture is basically just god.

Anyways, you should definitely check out book #2, Player of Games, because it is a much more character driven narrative that it sounds like you are looking for. It takes place with a much stronger Culture presence too, including minds and orbitals, so that is really fun to read about as well.

[Anonymous No.21765950]

How much "science" in scifi is too much? reading through pic related atm, there are multiple physics dumps of autistic proportion. The book is interesting but the physics portions are completely impenetrable for me, I don't know if the author is being witty or retarded. What is your take on stuff like this?

[Anonymous No.21765955]

>>21765950
>Egan
He's a PhD mathmatician with several published papers. I don't think 'witty' or 'retarded' fits.

[Anonymous No.21765963]

>>21765955
What I mean is I don't know how I'm meant to engage with his math speculations. I normally just skip past it, but I wonder if there are actually physics students out there that get value from his speculations on quantum theory and stuff like that

[Anonymous No.21765982]

>>21765902
I don't have a problem with that specifically.

>>21765919
As noted in >>21765887 there seems to be a random distribution of ratings, aside from one star, so it's entirely likely you'll enjoy it much more than I did. I wouldn't claim I do well with whsy I write. It's just something I feel like doing.

>>21765934
While I appreciate your response, I'm unable to respond in detail at this time as I have other matters to attend. I wasn't expecting any response in general. Maybe later.

The insignificance isn't a bad thing and I meant that from an authorial perspective. Speaking of perspective, one's feelings and appreciation of a series is certainly different versus one reading one in the series, especially if there's quite thr difference in enjoyment.

[Anonymous No.21765987]

>>21765963
Some of his books have much, much, more than this and he has tons on his website that goes into far greater detail. You either just let it wash over you and vibe with it or don't.

[Anonymous No.21766009]

>>21765950
I got filtered by Dichronauts

[Anonymous No.21766034]

>>21765982
no need for a long response, the culture series is just the best scifi series out there so it would be a shame if someone didn't defend it and tell you to give it another shot. However, it could just be that you're not into how Banks writes, in which case you might not like the other books either

[Anonymous No.21766043]

>>21765987
So far I have read Permutation City, Quarantine, and now Diaspora. Both PC and Quarantine had SOME math stuff, but it was much less dense imo. Which of his other books would you recommend? I read his books because I love the interesting ideas, that's why I read scifi in the first place. I'm just saying that I don't have a physics phd so saying "dude, what if this extremely esoteric formula actually = 0.00001 instead of 0.00002, which is what I assume he is saying in his books. Like it's a thought experiment

[Anonymous No.21766097]

>>21766043
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=Greg+egan&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=sffg&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

>>21766034
Understandable. I don't know that I dislike his style yet, as this is the only work from him that I've read. There's nothing wrong with reasonably defending what you enjoy.


Now I must drive for 2+ hours to get somewhere.

[Anonymous No.21766140]

>>21765887
What are your 5/5 novels?

[Anonymous No.21766183]

>>21765816
Squeeze all the juice you can out of BotNS before reading Urth.

[Anonymous No.21766189]

>>21765885
>>21765887
>>21765982
your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.21766193]

>>21766140
The Darkness That Comes Before (2004)
The Warrior-Prophet (2005)
The Thousandfold Thought (2006)
The Judging Eye (2009)
The White-Luck Warrior (2011)
The Great Ordeal (2016)
The Unholy Consult (2017)
The Broken Sword (original version)
The Star Fox (1965)

[Anonymous No.21766220]

>>21765801
1. they are almost impossible for normal humans (as in, not monsterfucker fetishists like me) to empathize with, and therefore to pity, and no compunction against slaughtering them to the last queen, drone, and larva will exist
2. they are actively violent and dangerous enough to be opponents in a proper military conflict and tend not to possess school playground Calvinball rules of bullshit invulnerability like many other types of theoretical alien (tyranids excluded)
3. they can effortlessly and mindlessly kill humans in horrific ways which increases the stakes in the conflict and the interest in their destruction
of course all of these features, while contributing to the most effective enemy alien at activating the neurons of human readers/viewers, is also the most braindead of all possible scifi premises, which vastly limits the storytelling potential outside of the hands of true geniuses; you're more likely to find more creativity in the field of greys probing the anuses of human abductees than you are to find in a bug hunt

[Anonymous No.21766237]

>"...there actually are other languages, languages quite different from ours. Latin, for example, and French. We have French and Latin books, and there are passages in the Writings in those languages, which makes them of interest to scholars and even to ordinary augurs like me. Presumably there are cities in which those languages are spoken just as we speak Vironese here."
Doesn't this imply that the era of Typhon is in the recent future? Typhon stocks the Whorl and compiles the Chrasmologic Writings, and he uses French and Latin to do so. And the Whorl itself is in space for a little over three hundred years, so we go from the Earth of Typhon, practically the present day, to Blue and Green. I know Wolfe likes accelerated evolution but that's more accelerated than I thought.

[Anonymous No.21766260]

>>21765816
Urth probably makes more sense if you read BotNS twice. It was written to address a lot of questions from hardcore fans.

[Anonymous No.21766280]

>>21765801
Undying Mercenaries was more creative. It used people sized bugs once, but they ended up becoming allies. The main villain aliens are dinosaur men, squid people, walking plants, and teddy bears.

[Anonymous No.21766293]

>>21766280
Old Man's War series also had bug enemies becoming allies. I wish it was better written though

[Anonymous No.21766298]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.21766303]

>>21766298
Your recs could only get worse if they included Martial God Asura
rope

[Anonymous No.21766347]

Sicne I am a fast reader, this means I'll have time to read smaller books on the side. I am interested in Discworld and Witcher. I own Mort for Discworld and Last Wish + Sword of Destiny respectively, are those good places to start? Which is a better first book for Witcher?

[spiler]I HATE the Witcher show and video games, should I even bother?[/spoiler]

[Anonymous No.21766354]

>>21765801
cause they are hilarious

[Anonymous No.21766360]

>>21766347
Honestly, as weak as the pre-Mort Discworld books are in comparison to what comes after, they're still good to read to see the growth of the world as it goes on. Mort's a good starting point though, even then.

[Anonymous No.21766370]

>>21766347
Oh man I just realized I didn't send the first half of my post.

Wheel of Time anon here. I am nearly done with Lord of Chaos and I formed a book club with two good friends who also finished it. We will read the rest of the series in sync and have weekly discussions, but I am a faster reader so this sounds like I will have some time for smaller books on the side.

[Anonymous No.21766373]

>>21766298
I've noticed you updated the image but did not add anything new.

Anything newer to suggest other than the pasta?

[Anonymous No.21766383]

>>21765963
I actually really enjoyed his parts about degrees of freedom with 2-spheres.

[Anonymous No.21766444]

What's a good introductory work for Harlan Ellison?

[Anonymous No.21766469]

>>21765046
When did I call book of the new sun okayish? I love wolfe.

[Anonymous No.21766506]

>>21766444
Star Trek S1E28 "The City on the Edge of Forever"

[Anonymous No.21766511]

>>21765783
I like military scifi but unfortunately 90% of the genre is written by ex-army/navy types who all fucking suck at creating anything interesting

[Anonymous No.21766550]

>>21766511
did you like forever war?

[Anonymous No.21766602]

>>21766444
Some idiot will probably tell you "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" - ignore any such person for a fool and a redditor. Instead read something like his screenplay to Asimov's "I, Robot" or his unproduced pilot teleplay to the 1966 Batman series with Adam West involving Two-Face
also this >>21766506

[Anonymous No.21766629]

>>21766237
The era of Typhon is, IIRC, far enough in the future that our time is a matter of the most ancient history but not quite lost. There's a lot of time fuckery that makes it hard to pinpoint any meaningful chronology and I think that's the point. Cycles of Ages and Epochs make history meaningless.

[Anonymous No.21766637]

>>21765783
They should start giving the bugs army weapons

[Anonymous No.21766640]

>>21766140
If case you misunderstood, those are the /sffg/ ratings for Consider Phlebas.

[Anonymous No.21766646]

>>21766298
people who recommend wandering inn actually serious? or is it just shilling?

[Anonymous No.21766663]

>>21766646

[Anonymous No.21766669]

>>21766663
It's weaponized autism. This dude can clearly go at his keyboard all day and people think it's actually good lmaoo.

[Anonymous No.21766695]

>>21765277
AI will likely not take over so easily. Once people realize their tails are burning, they’ll boycott it to no end, in no small part thanks to all the dystopian AI media. Now it’s a cool “look at the monkey learning tricks” gimmick, but once it starts “rising” people will stomp it to the ground like they have with everything else trying to crawl out of the mud-water, and rightfully so.

[Anonymous No.21766704]

>>21766646
As web novels go it's pretty good, but the web novel format is just engagement trolling.

[Anonymous No.21766706]

>>21766704
>but the web novel format is just engagement trolling
You're either retarded or bitter than serialized fiction is the most viable avenue to success for an indie writer

[Anonymous No.21766708]

>>21766706
it's still engagement trolling

[Anonymous No.21766710]

>>21766640
Oh I see. I did misunderstand, yes. Can I find your reviews compiled somewhere?

[Anonymous No.21766718]

>>21766669
The thread lasted long enough.

Best epic-fantasy story out there at the moment.
Get filtered , stay mad.

[Anonymous No.21766727]

>>21766708
How come Noah "Pirateaba" James doesn't correct anyone calling him a her?

[Anonymous No.21766730]

>>21766727
I would wager that it's because he's not a deranged troon.

[Anonymous No.21766731]

>>21766706
I'm not saying I don't read or enjoy them. I just know they're objectively not very good.

[Anonymous No.21766745]

>>21766731
eh , I enjoyed PGtE more than most non-web novels.

[Anonymous No.21766747]

>>21766646
I wouldn't say it's good, but it's really fun. I think that now, in the middle of volume 4 I've reached the first part of the story that I am not the biggest fan of, but it took a while to get here

[Anonymous No.21766756]

>>21766710
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_tripcode=sffg
Enter an author or title to be more specific.
or my Goodreads profile for those that aren't here and my ratings for those before I started writing about them. I don't directly link it here, but you can find it by googling what I've written about or by joining the Goodreads group in the OP

[Anonymous No.21766779]

>>21766756
FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.21766862]

>>21766727
cause it brings in the simp money and crazed simp defenders
see empress

[Anonymous No.21766887]

>>21765783
Human mind is incapable of thinking of any creature that does not already exist on God's Green Earth in any shape or form. Best it can do is form Chimeras. This is why Lovecraft's unnameable horrors immediately became squidverse.

[Anonymous No.21766889]

The Frontline series by Marko Kloos
it's good

[Anonymous No.21766974]

imagine how good a setting like this would be with a sword and sorcery powerful female warrior protag...

[Anonymous No.21766999]

>>21766347
>Last Wish
Great collection of subversive dark fairy tale type of stories. Sadly, already in Sword of Destiny do the stories start being more about politics than witchering.

[Anonymous No.21767063]

>>21766999
Honestly yeah, Witcher peaked with Last Wish. The main five novels weren't all that special and had a serious meandering problem, with Blood of the Elves being GRRM tier trash.

[Anonymous No.21767071]

Reposting what anon wrote in previous thread bcoz i found it entertaining

bakker left his dildo in too long and developed toxic shock syndrome

in actuality, he got addicted to painkillers and was running low on cash so he astroturfed a fanbase to try getting his publisher to agree to pay him in full for a 4th book + a separate encyclopedia. publisher laughed it off, turns out his "quite large fandom" was the same weirdos over at the 3 seas forum + some actual schizo who started spamming untrue spoilers and pretended to be a reviewer for the entire TAE series.

finally, bakker failed to stick the landing, just like he's done with everything else in his work. interesting ideas that fall flat because he has no real conception of how to structure a narrative. he's much more interested in running around scraeming "cRaSh SpAcE oF mEaNiNg!!1!" and writing completely bonkers screeds about Trump, than he is in fleshing out his works beyond regurgitated Heidegger. We could have had soo much more, especially with things like the judging eye or the chapters about ishterebinth, but instead bakker was content to write another 40 pages about peachy prostitutes and the scent of honey and unwashed anuses engaging in the most disgusting gay-rape-cannibal-holocaust this side of a robert mapplethorpe fantasy

[Anonymous No.21767091]

>>21765350
Umm be careful what you type or this faggot >>21765539
will kill your player character.

[Anonymous No.21767099]

>>21767091
He's already put us in a death trap today's sesh after I posted that. I probably fucked up by posting about him on 4chinz.

[Anonymous No.21767102]

>>21766887
There was a horror / scifi book that had a bunch of alien creatures in it. It's posted in here regularly. None of those shit is found on earth.

[Anonymous No.21767103]

>>21766444

[Anonymous No.21767173]

>>21767071
this sounds about right

[Anonymous No.21767179]

>>21767173
I said in the previous thread, I can bet anything he had pic related as the horns, and that would also explain the Sranc/Ursranc/Inchoroi bioweapon/whatever.

By the way, why did Bakker stop writing in 2017? Shit sales?

[Anonymous No.21767184]

I finally finished Tress. Without griping once again about how fucking formulaic Tress herself was, and the overall story, seeing an actual spaceship was cool.

[Anonymous No.21767228]

>>21767184
It's not the first Cosmere work to have one.

[Anonymous No.21767256]

>>21767228
Yeah but so far its been First of the Sun and now this. Man, I'd have been so much more excited for Tress('s Cosmere content) a decade ago.
This is the official image for Huck.

[Anonymous No.21767263]

Would you use Deep Ones condoms on a Call Girl of Cthulhu?

[Anonymous No.21767278]

>>21767256
And there's still possibly around 30 years more of Cosmere content yet to come.

[Anonymous No.21767298]

Cosmere
First published book: 2005
Last published book: 2055
First began writing Cosmere: 90s probably

[Anonymous No.21767304]

>>21767278
>>21767298
>re: reading order and what's to come lists
It's a mess. An unfinished mess is what it will remain.

[Anonymous No.21767309]

>>21767304
Publication order can still apply. It's not that much of a mess overall.

[Anonymous No.21767387]

>>21766602
>I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream

This is the best introduction book, don't be a pseud

[Anonymous No.21767393]

>>21765950
Lmao I've read that too it fucking sucked it's not SF it's Autist F. I recommend aborting it unless you consider a robot being able to do theoretical math problems forever as a satisfying conclusion

[Anonymous No.21767437]

>>21767393
honestly that's how every book of his ends

[Anonymous No.21767442]

>>21767437
It really isn't.

[Anonymous No.21767448]

I still have probably 40 years left in me to shit post.

So I will keep Bakkerposting, even after he's long gone and without publishing anything.

Fuck you all.

[Anonymous No.21767453]

>>21764962
This is the actual official chart that everyone contributed to. So your opinion has very little weight.

[Anonymous No.21767459]

>>21767453
Now that you mentioned this; daily reminder that this poll exists.

[Anonymous No.21767461]

Do you start a new book the same/the day after you finish one or do you take some time to let the last one marinate in your brain?

[Anonymous No.21767467]

>>21767448
real talk: get help
that sort of behavior and mentality is not healthy, to the soul or to the body

[Anonymous No.21767483]

>>21767461
I go to sleep after staying up for 72 hours straight top finish the book.
But yes I analyse the entire book, pick apart the whole thing from beginning to end, and determine what I liked and hates about it and how I'd change it, then examine the effects of those changes and how difficult they'd be to implement and what that says about the inherent structure of the story and novels in general.

[Anonymous No.21767490]

>>21767448
Truth shines, incels whine.

[Anonymous No.21767507]

>>21767453
Oh hey, I remember when we made this chart. Good times

[Anonymous No.21767509]

>>21767483
There's no value to this post.

[Anonymous No.21767516]

>>21767437
I bet
>>21767442
nice try

[Anonymous No.21767520]

>>21767448
Is he actually good or are you just spreading a meme? I'm just about to finish a book with nothing else on my list

[Anonymous No.21767522]

>>21767520
How new are you? Seriously, not joking or anything.

[Anonymous No.21767527]

>>21767520
Decide for yourself. I’m enjoying it despite having to drop it a few years ago when I was really busy in grad school, but now I’m not doing much, I have time to enjoy the sovl of Bakker

[Anonymous No.21767528]

What are Vance's best books outside of Dying Earth?

[Anonymous No.21767532]

>>21767461
it depends
usually I never let more than 24 hours pass before starting a new book, during the hours before sleep, and I'll never start a new book with less than an hour remaining before I intend to go to bed
and if I'm reading a particularly enjoyable and fast-paced series, I'll easily and gladly shift the end of one entry to the beginning of the next sequel the same day
also depending on how much time I have and whether there are what I subjectively find suitable for it, I may be reading two books almost simultaneously; that is, I read one book solely in the daytime "working hours", and then in the evenings read only another one - for example, during the day I'll read Edward Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, and during the hour or two before bed, I'll read the Thrawn Trilogy

[Anonymous No.21767552]

>>21766974
The words "Grand Duchy of Ohio" make me want to kill myself

[Anonymous No.21767556]

>>21767453
what makes The Once and Future King so good?

[Anonymous No.21767563]

>>21767520
I stumbled upon it sort of by accident with the audiobook for a long drive. Loved it. It's like a Dune + LOTR mashup with some Berserk themes and grim dark layered on.

I also am really into philosophy though, so I didn't find those sections pretentious. I liked how he built Greek thought into the world.

But it isn't for everyone, too cerebral for some, to violent and sexist for others.

Writing is somewhat uneven. Parts are great, others meh. This is moreso for the second series.

[Anonymous No.21767564]

>>21767528
Lyonesse and Emphyrio that I've read. Emphyrio is a real slow burn. It took me like two days after I finished it to realize what he did, but that might be because I'm retarded. Lyonesse is just plain wholesome.

[Anonymous No.21767569]

>>21767509
Nice self burn.

[Anonymous No.21767582]

So, how the fuck do the dogs in the gypsy vegan tribe in the Wheel of Time survive and even grow so big?

[Anonymous No.21767589]

>>21767507
How many years ago was this?

[Anonymous No.21767592]

>>21767589
1

[Anonymous No.21767597]

>>21767589
No clue. I had the impression I was the one who made the chart, but I can't find a trace of the files in my PC so I guess I'm just delusional.

[Anonymous No.21767598]

>>21764730
How do minotaurs or lizard women even find human males to be attractive? We don't even see pigeons and doves breed with each other

[Anonymous No.21767602]

https://take.quiz-maker.com/poll4737605xAE564149-147
Weird fiction favourites poll

[Anonymous No.21767607]

>>21767598
human men are soft and cute and gentle compared to monster men
also, humans males have some of the largest genitalia proportional to body size in the animal kingdom

[Anonymous No.21767608]

>>21767592
So the only thing worth it the last 10 years is Sanderson and Witcher?

That can't be right.

[Anonymous No.21767616]

>>21767608
Of course it isn't
And The witcher is from the 90s

[Anonymous No.21767620]

>>21767608
There are some great Isekai web novels and progression fantasy

[Anonymous No.21767621]

>>21767459
lol do people really lie about reading bakker?

[Anonymous No.21767624]

>>21767621
I don't know, I don't need to pretend to be intelligent.

[Anonymous No.21767628]

>>21767621
bakker gained 30 votes in like 5 minutes in that poll

[Anonymous No.21767630]

>>21767628
Not surprising considering how popular he is here.

[Anonymous No.21767636]

>>21767630
there is one bakkerautist in here and always one newfag he cons into reading that drivel

[Anonymous No.21767638]

>>21766669
its a woman and brainless coomers like to spend their every pay check on roasties

[Anonymous No.21767639]

>>21767621
Are you insinuating something? Ah manangia!!!!

[Anonymous No.21767640]

>>21767528
This is my personal ratings list of his works that I've read. Series are clumped together for brevity although T'schai and Cadwal Chronicles both sag in the middle with pretty strong first and final books.

QUINTESSENTIAL

Eyes of the Overworld + Cugel's Saga

ESSENTIAL

Dying Earth
Lyonesse
Emphyrio

GREAT

Showboat World
T'schai (Planet of Adventure)
Cadwal Chronicles
Star King
The Dragon Masters

OKAY

Rhialto the Marvelous
The Last Castle
The Languages of Pao
Ports of Call
Maske Thaery

UNDISTINGUISHED

Big Planet
The Blue World
The Five Gold Bands

[Anonymous No.21767643]

>>21767636
Bakker is still great though. That doesn't change anything.

[Anonymous No.21767644]

>>21767630
But nobody ever talks about Prince of Nothing in here.

[Anonymous No.21767646]

>>21767644
Prince of Nothing is probably the most discussed book in this general's history, aside from normie Hollywood shit.

[Anonymous No.21767654]

>>21767646
straight up lies lol

[Anonymous No.21767657]

>>21767527
Kellhus is a very good villain. I think it is a credit to Bakker that a decent minority actually do see him as a hero despite being a rapist/mind rapist, liar, thief, murderer, and generally full on psychopath monster.

[Anonymous No.21767658]

>>21767654
Hello newfag.

[Anonymous No.21767661]

>>21767654
Go back to your Tolkien and GURM. Truth shines.

[Anonymous No.21767662]

>>21767657
Kellhus is neither good nor bad. He's an "inhuman" agent. Although I do agree that he's in the wrong side of history

[Anonymous No.21767664]

>>21767658
Hello. I look forward to the Prince of Nothing discussion in here that isn't just some guy orbiting bakker himself

[Anonymous No.21767669]

>>21767646
If by "Prince of Nothing" you mean "The Second Apocalypse" universe, then sure. Hard to disagree with that.

>>21767664
Imagine being this petty about an author who hasn't published anything in the past 5 years. Also, that book was published in 2004, and everyone with a brain here as already read it and discussed it thoroughly, newfag. Check the archives.

[Anonymous No.21767674]

>>21767664
I've seen plenty of in depth discussion of Bakker here, it's just that autists turned him into a meme and regular fans have burnt themselves out discussing it. I even have some points people made saved.

Also, lots of theorizing about the ending and key plot points.

[Anonymous No.21767677]

>>21767674
I saw in the archives of /tg/ that people said /sffg/ had good discussions, it was just one guy memeing Bakker (perhaps because he secretly didn’t like him and wanted to give him a bad name), so it was a noticeable shift in the general.

[Anonymous No.21767678]

>>21767674
Example:

Which leads to weird claims that SA is a book about eliminativism. It clearly isn't for anyone actually familiar with philosophy of mind. The Dunyain do become more free through their practice and breeding. The soul does exist in Erwa, as does the supernatural. The Judging Eye is the opposite of eliminativism. What SA deals with is determinism and reductive physicalism. It's not even the hard reductive physicalism of modern varieties, that claims all causes can be explained by physics, it's the reductive determinism of ancient philosphers, the Stoics, and later St. Paul and the Patristics. The darkness moving men in the books are mostly emergent properties: instinct, genetics, cognitive dissonance, desire, environment (in social psychology the defining concept is the fundemental attribution error, that we ascribe internal causes to human actions, e.g., "he did x because he has the trait of y," when in fact experiment shows you can make almost anyone do most things by manipulating the enviornment, down to spouting out incorrect simple arithmetic answers they know are wrong or making them face the back wall of an elevator because everyone else is. You can get 95+% of people to cheat on a test with the eight priming).

The books get to the level of neuroscience once I can recall, in the very first book, where Kellhus is shown a Defective being manipulated via unsophisticated nerve stimulation.

The Dunyain are Aristotle's ordering of the desires, with the intellect up too, mixed with the Stoic fear of becoming a beast, undergirded by early Christianity's concept of man becoming free from a war within themselves against their animal desires through a living personal ressurection in the Logos (Paul is dead in sin due to losing a war with the members of his body, Christ, who is the Logos, lives within him and ressurects his personhood and ability to choose what he wants, the Good/Law/God). Then some Absolute Idealism, Truth is the Whole epistemology is sprinkled on top). The metaphysics seems Post-Kantian at times, (i.e., the external world cannot be thought of as distinct from an observer) particularly the magic system and power of belief shifting reality.

This is not eliminative, qualia exist, minds exist. It might be Human on no Cartesian "I" existing as a nuclear center of the mind, but it isn't full Anattā either. The God of Gods might be a sort of German Idealism inspired Absolute, or something more like Sankara's Brahman

If the Dunyain are more free than the World Born, then there are gradations of freedom. Needing absolute knowledge of what moves you to be free is the logical conclusion of Lynn Rudder Baker's criteria for free action.

[Anonymous No.21767682]

Oh no no no no no anti-bakker fags.
How can we cope with this?

[Anonymous No.21767686]

>>21767674
Nothing about the man posted here within the past three years can be taken as genuine.

[Anonymous No.21767691]

>>21767686
Accept defeat.

[Anonymous No.21767692]

>>21767678
lmao, not even saving the actual good Bakker analysis

>Kant was fully retroactively refuted by Bakker.

>For example, while Quine fatally weakened the synthetic/analytic distinction, it was Bakker who provided the proof that calcified dogma is not observably different from analytic fact using a combination of the philosophy of information and semiotics of abstraction, joining the logical systems of Floridi to the physics of messaging via Landauer's Principal and computational entropy. Incomputability, Krylov Complexity, Yao Entropy, have disasterous consequences for proving analytics that are not tautologies, and nowhere is this more apparent then in the Dunyain-Logos Paradigm, as viewed from the Absolute Judging Eye Vector, Whale Rape Gang Bang Hypothesis laid out in The Great Ordeal. Bakker brings philosophy from Kant to Quine full circle, unsublating both, so both can be resublated as an organic whole into the dynamics of whale-mother-cave-rape-as-logos, which provides proof of the incompleteness of Logos due to the incomputability problem. Turing would have been proud!

>Note that Kant is also more seriously retroactively refuted vis-á-vis the transcendental aesthetic via the proof of Meat Fueled Murder Rape Orgy (where the inefficiency of the alien space nuke, and resultant high level of radiation released, reminiscent of primitive, WWII era nuclear weapons, results in the Scalded as a boipussy dynamical system, which, shows that even a simple system represented by a differential equation can, and will necissarily produce chaos if it reaches a phase of three in any cycle.) The result is that the faculties cannot be an anchor of anything, as strong variance driven by "initial" conditions invariably leads to chaos. Bakker symbolizes this using the stochastic forces of nuclear radiation, as from those quantum activity we still see the larger classical objects of emergence in the rape orgy.

>This shows the teleology of rape, the Inchori Theory and defeats appeals to classical ethics as such.

>Again, even more than retroactive refutation, which others have done, Bakker RETROACTIVELY SUBLATES Kant.

[Anonymous No.21767693]

>it's another bakkerfag episode
alright I'll come back in three weeks

[Anonymous No.21767694]

>>21767691
Holy based.
I was here that day.

>>21767693
We accept your surrender.

[Anonymous No.21767700]

>>21767643
>>21767646
>>21767658
>>21767661
>>21767657
>>21767662
>>21767669
>>21767691
>>21767694
>>21767692
>>21767682

[Anonymous No.21767701]

The Onion Knight was the coolest character in ASoIaF for me… maritime characters are the best.

[Anonymous No.21767702]

I'm so sorry for bringing up Bakker. my fucking bad guys. i hope others can understand this is the shit i've been talking about

[Anonymous No.21767705]

>>21767700
This kills the bakkerfag

[Anonymous No.21767708]

Gotta derail all the Bakker posting, quick post your SFF waifu
For me, it's Angua

[Anonymous No.21767709]

>>21767522
I'm not new but a very sporadic visitor

[Anonymous No.21767710]

>>21767702
No need o false flag.

[Anonymous No.21767713]

>>21767527
Too many unnecessary details for me, looks ghost written by a woman

[Anonymous No.21767719]

Elden Ring was actively made worse by the involvement of Gurm. Shit like the Dung Eater is all him.

[Anonymous No.21767720]

>>21767709
Bakker is hands down the best living fantasy author. Has he become a meme around here? Sure, but you're still meming yourself by not reading him to know why he's so controversial among normies.

[Anonymous No.21767724]

>>21767713
Sranc hands posted this

[Anonymous No.21767725]

>>21767720
I've never read a fiction book or watched a fiction film I enjoyed desu, I'm here for the SF, the kind with no female characters

[Anonymous No.21767727]

>>21767700
I've seen pictures of IRL soijacks doing this for Dante and Shakespeare, so what?

[Anonymous No.21767728]

>>21767708
Lady Patience from The Farseer Trilogy

[Anonymous No.21767739]

>>21767720
>the best living fantasy author.
That's Guy Gavriel Kay

[Anonymous No.21767740]

>>21767739
>Guy Gavriel Kay
Literal who.

[Anonymous No.21767741]

>>21766646
It has a niche appeal. You may or may not be in that niche.

[Anonymous No.21767744]

>>21767740
Touch grass

[Anonymous No.21767745]

>>21767739
respect for putting yourself out there Guy

[Anonymous No.21767748]

>>21767744
Probably more useful than googling whoever that guy is.

[Anonymous No.21767752]

>>21767745
I’d post my own spec fic here but I know you suckaz ain’t ready to pay for print publications

[Anonymous No.21767753]

>>21767708
Spinner-of-Rope

[Anonymous No.21767754]

>>21767708
Moiraine from WoT

[Anonymous No.21767756]

>>21767720
Jane Gaskell is still alive, not really pumping them out though

[Anonymous No.21767760]

>>21767756
>female authors

[Anonymous No.21767763]

>>21767756
She kind of stopped writing in the 90s? Or late 80s i think? Atlan was amazing tho.

[Anonymous No.21767770]

>>21767760
Mary Shelley helped invent sci fi chud

[Anonymous No.21767774]

>>21767770
Literal who.

[Anonymous No.21767789]

Bakkerfag is having one of his monthly psychotic breakdowns today.

[Anonymous No.21767792]

>>21767760
she was a rare child prodigy, probably some kind of hermaphrodite

[Anonymous No.21767810]

>>21767552
Fag.

[Anonymous No.21767815]

>>21767682
Bakker himself shills his own work here.

[Anonymous No.21767821]

>>21767815
>Imagine falling for this bait

[Anonymous No.21767833]

>>21767770
This is a lie they tell you in elementary school along with "Helen Keller wrote anything ever." Hope Mirrlees and Ursula le Guin are legit respectable female contributors to sf. Mary Shelley was a beard for her husband's less respectable work.

[Anonymous No.21767838]

>>21767720
You are this >>21767700 everyone knows that's You, that's everything you are, a retard obsessed with an unfinished fantasy series and you'll never be more than that, that's why you make low Quality posts everyday non-stop. That's the reason you love bakker's sophomore-tier nihilism of "dude nothing matters" because your Life is painful and disappointing and useless, You are as pathetic, near-sighted and miserable as the characters bakker writes about. Truth Shines.

[Anonymous No.21767844]

>>21767838
Poor bait.

[Anonymous No.21767846]

>>21767792
>hermaphrodite
Kind of hot.

[Anonymous No.21767852]

>>21767846
There's a subreddit dedicated to giant clit porn. It's hilarious.

[Anonymous No.21767857]

>>21767720
Guaranteed replies.

Nice to see that Bakker still pisses so many people off in this general, ngl.

[bakkerchad No.21767863]

>>21767846
omg.. hubba hubba

[Anonymous No.21767873]

>>21767720
God damn, the memes on that series are truly endless.

[Anonymous No.21767879]

>>21767873
Indeed senpai.

[Anonymous No.21767885]

>>21767852
What the fuck am I looking at?

[Anonymous No.21767896]

>>21767739
Stephen Lawhead is still alive so he'll remain the best until he kicks the bucket, then the title will revert to GG Kay

>>21767838
based

[Anonymous No.21767923]

>>21767846
the ultimate tomboy

[Anonymous No.21767932]

>>21767852
mostly female bodybuilders

[Anonymous No.21767990]

>Progression fantasy story about Muhammed in hell

[Anonymous No.21768105]

>>21767564
>>21767640
Thanks for these, I'll be sure to look into Emphyrio and Lyonesse. Dying Earth tends to get all of the attention even though Vance was obviously talented.

[Anonymous No.21768138]

>>21766646
It's not bad but it's also not something I'd recommend.
Like depending on how many webnovels I can remember reading it probably wouldn't make top 25.

[Anonymous No.21768245]

My fetish is reading obscure old fantasy/scifi books that have less than 1000 ratings on goodreads, if any of you know any please let me know, finding this stuff isn't that easy.

[Anonymous No.21768255]

>>21768245
damn i'm just into like big feet

[Anonymous No.21768298]

>>21768245
how old

[Anonymous No.21768301]

>>21768298
13 year olds

[Anonymous No.21768305]

Just finished Worm. The later arcs were a slog, the ending was deeply unsatisfactory and 90% of all characters were unsympathetic pieces of shit. Can't believe this place memed me into reading that garbage.

[Anonymous No.21768375]

>>21768245
What do you mean? It's super easy. I've read various old traditionally published that had near zero ratings, or even literally zerom

There are tons of lists like this
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/79670.Best_Science_Fiction_on_Goodreads_with_fewer_than_100_ratings

[Anonymous No.21768390]

>>21768375
>Goodreads author
>voted by Goodreads author

[Anonymous No.21768402]

>>21768245
If you want sff from any year, it's relatively easy too see every traditionally published sff book published in English as well.

[Anonymous No.21768431]

>>21768298
Mainly 70s 80s, that was when fantasy finally became mainstream so fantasy books where produced en masse, a lot of it was shit and john carter/conan pastiches but some of it is genuinely great and imaginative.
>>21768375
Thanks, that list is mostly seff-published books from the last 10 years but i did saw a few oldies in there.
>>21768402
I mostly use ISFDB and randomly pick a publisher and a year and start researching like an autist until i found something interesting.

[Anonymous No.21768441]

>>21768245
The Quiet Earth

[Anonymous No.21768445]

>>21768431
The Dick

[Anonymous No.21768450]

>>21765885
I'm just disappointed the "series" isn't one connected series...I know player of games is a classic but it sucks going in that it's all self contained. idk I'm mad. I liked some of the characters in consider phlebas and they just don't matter.
But I am trying to find some fucking scifi space opera to read. So it's either that or...I don't know, the Forever war? Any input lads? I read alastair reynolds revelation space books (4 of em), salvation sequence by hamilton (eh), and idk what else I forget. the expanse, yea that too.

[Anonymous No.21768449]

>>21768431
Well, you can do an advanced search on ISFDB that will show all novels from a given year. They even offer database downloads to see everything on the site at once. The advanced search should suffice for most stuff though.

[Anonymous No.21768452]

>>21768450
xeelee sequence

[Anonymous No.21768458]

>>21768431
There are tons of other lists on there. Number of ratings at the bottom as well. 100 to 999 might work better, or the 1000 to 9999

[Anonymous No.21768461]

>>21768452
fuck people who say don't judge a book by its cover, i'm down
Tired of reading fucking JOHN LE CARRE WHERE SMILEY IS A LITERAL FUCKING KEKOLD IN EVERY BOOK AND LE CARRE MAKES A POINT OF IT

[Anonymous No.21768465]

>>21768461
PIC RELATED.

[Anonymous No.21768466]

>>21768450
It depends on what you specifically want from your space opera. There are a lot, some more popular than others. It may overlap with military science fiction.

[Anonymous No.21768480]

>>21768441
Thank you
>>21768449
>They even offer database downloads to see everything on the site at once
Damn, i didn't know that, once more unto the breach!

[Anonymous No.21768481]

>>21768461
>>21768465
if you want to start from its chronological beginning, start with timelike infinity. out of the four 'main' novels, or maybe the only ones that don't have a subtitle, those early ones, Raft and Flux are standalone/side stories. Raft takes place in an alt universe with something like x1000 gravity and Flux takes place on a neutron star with subatomic humans living on it. if those sound cool to you then by all means but if you want to follow the overall narrative, read timelike infinity -> Ring, then go from there. ideally, come back here.
ALSO
strongly consider reading Vacuum Diagrams (the collection of short stories) and if you want more, then read timelike infinity. this is a 30+ year old book universe that takes place over millions+ of years of human history and yet nobody reads it

[Anonymous No.21768488]

>>21768481
o saved my ass there. timelike infinity then.

[Anonymous No.21768536]

>>21764730
>souless IA picture again
yikes, just stop rushing to post the new thread if u gonna ruin everytime

[Anonymous No.21768560]

>>21768461
only judge it by the first edition cover, the other covers usually aren't made with the authors approval and half the time the artist didn't read the book

[Anonymous No.21768571]

I am 70% done with The Three-Body Problem and I still can't see why people praised it so much.
There's absolutely no tension whatsoever, just tons of info dumb via the VR game and flashback, I really hate this kind of storytelling.
Maybe it's just me. idk.

[Anonymous No.21768576]

>>21768571
Yeah no, you're not the only one.
TBP only gets praised by normoids because LE AWARD-WINNER and it only got those awards because a chink wrote it.

[Anonymous No.21768588]

>read HP Lovecraft
>outside of the climaxes when the horror is revealed at its fullest, he’s actually quite readable and vivid

I got memed into thinking all of HP Lovecraft’s prose was overly verbose and purple. What other scifi/fantasy authors have you been memed into believing something about, only to discover that it’s either been exaggerated or entirely false once you’ve actually read it.

[Anonymous No.21768591]

>>21768576
Barack Obama liked it too. normies love obama

[Anonymous No.21768595]

God damn, another thread didn’t even last a day. /sffg/ really has gone to shit.

[Anonymous No.21768599]

>>21768595
at least bakkerfag is gone for the time being

[Anonymous No.21768607]

>>21768599
And? Doesn’t change the fact that /sffg/ is fucking useles.

[Anonymous No.21768610]

>>21768588
>you should read ${popular series}, it's really good!
>it's a derivative, poorly written slog
At this point it's easier to assume anything even vaguely popular is trash, especially if it was written in the last 20 years

[Anonymous No.21768612]

>>21768595
At this point, any person that actually comes to /sffg/ to talk about books is just a brain dead retard. There’s literally no reason to come here for that when there’s better websites for that.

[Anonymous No.21768618]

>>21768595
>>21768599
/sffg/ would be better if idiots here just report the shitposters and trolls, but asking for the bare minimum here is pointless.

[Anonymous No.21768624]

Progression fantasy story about three people stranded in an alternate dimension where people routinely replace parts of their bodies with biological monstrosities for power.

[Anonymous No.21768630]

>>21768624
Don’t you ever get tired of wasting your time doing this shit?

[Anonymous No.21768631]

>>21768618
There's no shitposts/trolls in this thread. Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.21768634]

>>21768631
God damn, you fags are just pathetic in your attempt in making /sffg/ unusable. Don’t know why you’re even here if all you ever do is shit up this general.

[Anonymous No.21768636]

>>21768624
First of all stop stealing ideas straight out of my head

[Anonymous No.21768637]

>>21768630
No I get tired of wasting my time doing this shit

[Anonymous No.21768639]

>>21768599
But "ackshually I can't believe anybody would come to 4chan dot org slash literature to talk about books when reddit/goodreads exist"fag woke up so we have to deal with his ritual samefagging for the next several hours.
>>21768618
Sure but it does little and mods are more likely to nuke the thread than the individual cancerous growths.

[Anonymous No.21768647]

>>21768618
i report his posts all the time, but they don't do anything

[Anonymous No.21768648]

>>21768618
>he thinks reporting people will change anything

newfags are so cute

[Anonymous No.21768650]

>>21768639
Dude, I don’t know why you get mad when people say that /sffg/ is absolutely terrible in talking about books. Just scrolling up proves this general is incapable of having small talk

[Anonymous No.21768658]

>>21768650
Because /lit/ and by extension/sffg/ were never meant to be a forum about books? Kind of have to agree with the other anon >>21768639 just fuck off to Reddit or goodsreads if that’s what you want to do.

[Anonymous No.21768684]

>>21768658
This is a certified "/v/ is not meant to be about videogames" moment

[Anonymous No.21768687]

>>21768684
How else are you going to explain the recent threads?

[Anonymous No.21768688]

i have a confession to make... i like reading fantasy and science fiction books, i'm sorry /ssfg/ i have failed you

[Anonymous No.21768702]

>>21768688
Cool, don’t think anymore cares though.

[Anonymous No.21768703]

I've been reading The Primal Hunter on Kindle and I had to drop it all.
It's just soooo fucking boring now.
I stopped reading at the part where he falls in a body of water trying to "figure out the water affinity mana".
I need to put LitRPG shit down and read something decent. It's good to kill time sure but fucking hell the quality has just nosedived.
To be fair it took over 4 books to get me to quit.

[Anonymous No.21768726]

>>21768612
Like what?

[Anonymous No.21768729]

>>21768703
i got bored af at book 4 with that infinite dungeon, pages and pages of him killing the same fucking mob, shit was horrible but i finisheed, its like when u doing a quest in wow classic that says to kill 200 bears and that mf author would waste time telling how jake killed every single bear

gonna read book 5 when i finish Lord of The Mysteries but will take a while

[Anonymous No.21768752]

>>21768726
At this point, any website will do.

[Anonymous No.21768754]

>>21768729
Like, I can understand if you wanna have, as a story beat, just grinding or whatever, but you can just... Skip past most of that stuff, I don't know why some LitRPG authors are so insistent on doing a beat-for-beat deal of everything the protagonist handles.

[Anonymous No.21768771]

>>21768754
Certain webnovel authors will add padding to the work so they milk patreon users more.

[Anonymous No.21768783]

>>21768771
Good point.
Zogarth is particularly arrogant about saying shit how he's got at least 5 more books in his latest release on the way and then in brackets say (I'm not joking).
I get his patreon creams themselves over this shit but that shit has the opposite effect on everyone else.

[Anonymous No.21768796]

>>21768771
Honestly, as much as I'm not the biggest fan of his work, it makes me appreciate Maxime Durand more and more. Man actually just finishes his stories. Perfect Run and Vainquer the Dragon actually just ended, and didn't go on absurdly long either.

[Anonymous No.21768804]

>>21768729
>Read shit
>Surprised it’s shit
Just avoid webnovels, it’s that simple.

[Anonymous No.21768825]

>>21768754
The sigma grindset IS the appeal of progression fantasy.

[Anonymous No.21768829]

What about alchemist?

[Anonymous No.21768839]

>>21768825
that's a girl not a book

[Anonymous No.21768848]

>>21768796
Counterpoint: Vainqueur was excellent, his other books were average-to-mediocre.
Obviously that's not to argue Vainqueur would be better if it were ten times longer, but it shows that it's much easier to maintain consistent quality on a single book than across multiple.
So some authors, when they find they've hit a winning formula, dig their heels in and refuse to budge. It's not (just) about money, it's about consistent quality. And also money.

[Anonymous No.21768853]

>>21768839
In all ways except physical she is a book

[Anonymous No.21768901]

>>21768829
Check warosu

[Anonymous No.21768929]

>>21768901
If he cared, he would have done that already.

[Anonymous No.21768957]

>>21768752
But any specific?

[Anonymous No.21768962]

>>21768595
I’m hi on early astound how easy it is for retards to derail /sffg/. You would think people here would know they’re baiting, but no, people just keep falling for it.

[Anonymous No.21768979]

>>21768962
>You would think people here would know they’re baiting, but no, people just keep falling for it.
Few, if any, actually read. Most are here for the shitpost and get mad when people actually try and start talking about books.

[Anonymous No.21768992]

>>21768684
I’m mean, he’s not wrong

[Anonymous No.21769009]

>>21768576
At least read the novel before posting such stupid opinion.

[Anonymous No.21769023]

>>21768390
Is there a problem?

[Anonymous No.21769026]

>>21768688
Is Arrows of the Queen a good place to start with Lackey?

[Anonymous No.21769035]

>>21769026
Read it and find out.

[Anonymous No.21769037]

>>21768804
He can’t. He’s just that dumb.

[Anonymous No.21769049]

>>21768607
/sffg/ has always been useless

[Anonymous No.21769053]

>>21764730
Kek, didn’t even last a day. How sad.

[Anonymous No.21769111]

>>21769026
Yes, Absolutely. the best reading order for Valdemar is publication order.
>>21769035
sneed

[Anonymous No.21769559]

I'm writing an Iliad-esque book about gods scheming against each other. What are some good literary themes for this book?

[Anonymous No.21769564]

>>21769559
Ask the writing general retard. >>21769429

[Anonymous No.21769659]

ngl all of the frequent shitposters in here including the guy who moans about the thread being bad seem like absolute losers

[Anonymous No.21769749]

New thread
>>21769724

[Anonymous No.21769795]

>>21764962
I would put Neuromancer in E or F tier and Infinite Just in B tier. I'd knock Drowned World to B, it's not that great. Rest is pretty good.