/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.21760778]

/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General - first time baking edition

Previous thread: >>21752883 (Cross-thread)

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[Anonymous No.21760780]

first for zyzz

[Anonymous No.21760786]

>new inheritance book
>new percy jackson book
>new inkheart book
I'm thinking 2023 is going to be a kino year

[Anonymous No.21760788]

>>21758839
>And readers don't want to read recycled shit, they want fresh ideas
Is that why every self published book is based on TV tropes or read the same? You need to have read and understood what came before you to be original.
I didn't think Tolkien was the first to write fantasy.
>>21758815
They write books much better than self-pubber retards.

[Anonymous No.21760811]

>>21760786
>new inkheart book
Wait, really? It has been like 15 years.

[Anonymous No.21760821]

>>21760811
>Initially conceived as a trilogy, a sequel, The Colour of Revenge (German: Die Farbe der Rache), will be published in October 2023 in Germany.

[Anonymous No.21761059]

>>21760780
The way he lived and died makes me think he would have been into cultivation literature.

I wonder what Robin Williams' favorite sci-fi or fantasy literature was?

[Anonymous No.21761069]

>>21761059
>roid fag
>reading

[Anonymous No.21761105]

>>21761059
Robin Williams was down with da 40k, ya-kna-wha-I-mean?

[Anonymous No.21761107]

Which is more fun: Perdido Street Station or Hyperion?

[Anonymous No.21761108]

>>21761107
Both.

[Anonymous No.21761115]

>>21761107
Neither.

[Anonymous No.21761119]

>>21761107
either/or

[Anonymous No.21761197]

>>21761108
>>21761115
>>21761119
>>>/r/eddit

[Anonymous No.21761223]

>>21758727
Shadow Slave was too slow but I was with it up until the city time skip when the author then started flashing back and telling everything that happened during the skip in chronological order, making it narratively pointless.
Felt like the author only did the jump in time because he wasn't confident that readers would buy the change in characterization needed for his melodrama

[Anonymous No.21761344]

>>21760778
AWould this blurb make you curious enough to pick up the book? I ask here because you guys actually read fantasy.
>Adah Phenric took a vow to protect Tymber from all that may burn it when she became a Knight of Valora. It was an oath required of every Knight blessed by the Goddess Valora in order to protect the land. All was well until she and her team were sent on a routine mission to hunt a monster. Things go awry and Adah finds herself to be the sole survivor. Unconvinced her comrades are dead, she ventures out into the world to uncover the reasons for their disappearance. Adah’s investigation leads her to uncover a larger mystery concerning the nature of the Goddess herself. Her mission soon leads her in conflict with a mysterious merchant and learns of a plot that threatens the stability of the world itself.

[Anonymous No.21761366]

>>21761344
I'm not sold on the usual fantasy tropes but the mystery and detective aspect is intriguing.

[Anonymous No.21761369]

Guys, don't hurt me, but I really really really can't get through The Hobbit. It's just not a fun read. I want to skip to LotR, but I feel like I'll be cheating.

[Anonymous No.21761375]

>/sffg/'s are slow threads on a slow board, they can easily last a week or more

[Anonymous No.21761377]

>>21761344
>I ask here because you guys actually read
hahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.21761381]

>>21761369
To expand on this, I'm on the chapter where Bilbo meets Gollum. I thought the chapter where they meet the trolls was completely retarded, and their working class accents were cringey and not in line with a fantasy world. I also don't like how the dwarves are basically useless and Gandalf has to save them from danger every time.
The most enjoyable part so far is by far the first chapter where Bilbo is comfy in his home and the dwarves show up. It's whimsical and cozy. Maybe I should just read Wind in the Willows again.

[Anonymous No.21761385]

>>21761344
Sounds like an AI prompt idea

[Anonymous No.21761388]

>>21761344
My eyes glazed over after the 2nd or 3rd fantasy name
Not judging you, that's just what happens with blurbs like this, they don't pull you in. You shouldn't really be putting exposition into them, you're trying to sell.

[Anonymous No.21761397]

>>21761388
>>21761385
>>21761366
Thanks. I'll rewrite it to try and avoid the fantasy terms and see if I can write something that'll sell better

[Anonymous No.21761409]

Does anyone know any good non-fiction/meta books about the fantasy genre. Like something that goes into the source material fantasy derives from or what fantasy represents today or something like that. I know there’s a Shippey book like this for LoTR just wondering if there’s anything else

[Anonymous No.21761426]

>>21761409
Do some digging down in the sources on the wikipedo page. There's one that covers the history of proto-fantasy that's solid but I can't look it up right now.

[Anonymous No.21761469]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.21761500]

>>21761469
Where's Gormenghast

[Anonymous No.21761712]

>>21761469
What absolute shit recommendations. To think someone will aspire to those 'levels' of story telling.

[Anonymous No.21761743]

>>21761107
Neither is fun. Hyperion is good, Perdido is bad.

[Anonymous No.21761773]

>>21761469
There is one (1) good book in this image.

[Anonymous No.21761780]

>>21761469
Aren't all these royal road books?

[Anonymous No.21761782]

>>21760786
The fuck, I haven't thought about Inkheart in years. And I completely forgot literally everything about it even though I KNOW I read them all.
I'm not super interested in anything Inheritance because even if Paolini has improved as a writer it's just not a super-interesting setting, I really had to force myself to finish the last book.

[Anonymous No.21761786]

>>21761780
Mother of Learning is the only one there that's on Royal Road and even then it didn't start there. There's only three webnovels actually, LoTM, TWI and MoL, and each is on a different site.

[Anonymous No.21761797]

>>21760786
My sister got the first Percy Jackson set and I asked if I could start on it before she did because she was busy reading other things and I couldn't more than halfway through the first book. From the very first page I sensed that I'd read this exact same book before and about 40 or 50 pages in I realized that in fact I DID read this series before - except when I last read it it was called Harry Potter and written by some woman named J. K. Rowling. That's what Percy Jackson is, fucking Harry Potter. It is all but impossible to read if you've graduated high school, or possess male genitalia, or both. I mean, fucking summer camp for greek gods? And the outrageous, perpetual Hunger Games-tier bloodbath of children being glossed over, it's sickening, again, just like Harry Potter. I can enjoy children's fiction like Magic Tree House or the Bailey School Kids, and I can enjoy "adult" fiction like Dune or BOTNS, and the middle-ground of Star Wars and C.S. Lewis, but I can't enjoy this YA crap.

[Anonymous No.21761802]

>>21761773
>What is Neuromancer

[Anonymous No.21761803]

Wtf I thought this was for kids, I have to look up a dictionary almost once every page

[Anonymous No.21761804]

>>21761803
Only some Discworld books are for kids, which is to say the Tiffany Aching books and also The Amazing Maurice.

[Anonymous No.21761815]

Someone has recommended children of time to me so I decided to give it a go but the writing is putting me off a little. Any anon has read it? What am i in for

[Anonymous No.21761823]

>>21761782
>I'm not super interested in anything Inheritance because even if Paolini has improved as a writer it's just not a super-interesting setting, I really had to force myself to finish the last book.
once you realize it's just Star Wars with a dragony coat of paint it's over

[Anonymous No.21761826]

>>21760778
Webnovel this, litrpg that, why don't you read a REAL fantasy book?
>"Once upon a time, Minerva made a mistake. She stopped fighting for her dreams. Now there's a price to be paid."
>"But the universe just made a mistake, too. It messed with the wrong Mommy."

[Anonymous No.21761828]

>>21761469
Remove Mother of Learning from this list, it's actually good.

[Anonymous No.21761834]

>>21761823
I mean, it's "just Star Wars" in the same way Star Wars is "just the Hero's Journey", but fair point. Like, I enjoyed it well enough up to book 3, but I legitimately struggled through book 4 and I don't even remember most of it. On reflection it strikes me how fucking nothing Eragon is as a character. He's basically just prophecy's bitch-boy, and his most interesting traits are basically scrubbed out of him by the third book to make him just kind of... Generically hero guy. Meanwhile his cousin continued to be cool.

[Anonymous No.21761842]

>>21761823
>it's just Star Wars
Good indication that it's skippable trash.

[Anonymous No.21761843]

>>21761802

[Anonymous No.21761917]

>>21761802
Based gibson poster.
fuck webnovels
fuck litrpg
fuck YA
fuck chinklit

[Anonymous No.21761926]

It's actually crazy how many anons always fall for that pic bait. that is posted in every single thread as well.

[Anonymous No.21761935]

>>21761344
I like it.

[Anonymous No.21761959]

>>21760778
Source on this image?

[Anonymous No.21761964]

>>21761803
Pratchett's an exceptional kids writer but unless the book tells you he's writing for kids he's aiming his writing at adults.
Also CoM is one of his harder books to read, as he gets more into the flow of discworld he tones down stuff like the footnote usage.

[Anonymous No.21761990]

>>21761803
I read it as a kid. Lots of it went over my head but I don’t remember it being hard to read. I did reread it last year and loved it.

[Anonymous No.21761993]

>>21761964
Colour of Magic also just isn't THAT great. It's not bad, it's arguably even good as fantasy parody stories go, but it's not much more than that. Everybody's pretty flat (Twoflower is a tourist, Rincewind knows one spell and is a coward, etc.) and the story just kind of... Happens.

[Anonymous No.21762007]

>>21761993
I think the joke was that they’re in an RPG because Fate and the Lady play a game where Rincewind’s life is down to a dice roll.
Pratchett liked TTRPGs as evidenced by GURPS Discworld having his seal of approval.

[Anonymous No.21762013]

>>21761917
>fuck litrpg
it's such a bizarre genre. i read Cradle and found it more like an anime like Dragon Ball than a RPG, so i was surprised when i tried to find stuff like it and rather than finding more anime inspired stuff it was "[white kid name] was just a normal guy until he got SUCKED into a FANTASY WORLD with a REAL RPG SYSTEM and he has to level and grind" like what the fuck is this shit. idk if Cradle popularized this 'genre' but i found it more charming because it was clearly vamping off anime.

>>21762007
>discworld is litRPG
it's over fantasybros

[Anonymous No.21762021]

Reading David Gemmell's Jerusalem Man series right now. It is the perfect schlock I always dreamed of. The post apocalyptic dying earth-like setting where our contemporary history and machines are lost, close to fairytales and magic, combined with a spaghetti western. Beautiful.

[Anonymous No.21762025]

>>21762013
It popularized it in the west. It is/was best-selling self-pub fantasy e-book series which is why its put on such a pedestal.

[Anonymous No.21762056]

>>21760778
Darkness Weaves
An incel seethes

[Anonymous No.21762102]

>>21762025
oh so this is a xiao thing? sounds about right

[Anonymous No.21762109]

>>21762013
>idk if Cradle popularized this 'genre' but i found it more charming because it was clearly vamping off anime.
Cradle is a xianxia.
LitRPGs were on an unstoppable rise before the first Cradle released anyway. Trying to think of the oldest one I read, 'The Gam3' began 18 months earlier. And I'm pretty sure it originated from Japanese LNs anyway.

[Anonymous No.21762124]

Is it just my perception or did this motherfucker not realize that fossilized bone is actually ROCK and no longer really BONE?

[Anonymous No.21762129]

>>21762109
like i could see this working for one series but i can't imagine an entire genre of this stuff working or being successful, unless maybe it appeals to turbo-autists?

[Anonymous No.21762140]

So, any opinions on the Nebula nominees this year?: https://www.tor.com/2023/03/08/here-are-the-2022-nebula-award-finalists/

[Anonymous No.21762144]

>>21762129
>turbo-autists?
Yes, litrpg is for people tha weren't hugged enough as a child.

[Anonymous No.21762149]

>>21762129
I started reading this because someone said it was reminiscent of Xavier Renegade Angel and then I learned it had Sonic characters so I fucking dropped it. Autism indeed.

What is it with turbo autists and being obsessed with Sonic the Hedgehog SPECIFICALLY?

[Anonymous No.21762160]

>>21760778
Is there a name for this style of art? Reminds me of Piranesi

[Anonymous No.21762170]

>>21762160
Piranesi itself is based on the artstyle of some guy.. are you referring to Piranesi the novel or Piranesi the artist?

[Anonymous No.21762172]

>>21762140
my favourites are not there so it sucks

[Anonymous No.21762187]

>>21762140
>Womb haver, womb haver, womb haver etc. etc.

It's SHIT

[Anonymous No.21762188]

>>21762170
I didn't specify because I was referring to both lel

[Anonymous No.21762204]

>>21762109
I read a DnD based litrpg in the early 2000s. It has characters in billions of levels with +2,000,000 swords and skill checks in the billions. It was all very silly. The idea has been around for a long time.

[Anonymous No.21762206]

>>21762124
It's a shit book to begin with. The beginning with the Chupacabra made me roll my eyes.

[Anonymous No.21762221]

Speaking of litrpgs Jackal Among Snakes is actually good, although it doesn't mention numbers much at all, just uses the 'guy transported into game' premise.
Instead of levelling and stuff it's him using his knowledge of how the game goes to try and make sure the apocalyptic level threat on the horizon gets dealt with.
>>21762140
first year in a while that I've read nothing on here, it is funny though how the tv and games categories have a couple of things with fantastic writing and then some mid shit.

[Anonymous No.21762223]

>>21762124
A distinction without a difference that you learned from watching Jurassic Park III that's also irrelevant because preserved medullary tissue in T. rex femurs has already been discovered

>>21762206
>chupacabra
It's a Procompsognathus, it's meant to show that the containment procedures on the island have already failed before the plot even starts - Hammond's cloned dinosaurs have escaped to the mainland and are interacting, deleteriously, with humans

[Anonymous No.21762229]

>>21762206
>Chupacabra
You realize that it was actually a velociraptor that killed the kid and the local spics were just being superstitious... right?

[Anonymous No.21762234]

>>21762229
>>21762223
Yes, I know. It was just lame.

[Anonymous No.21762237]

Sci fi seems fun
I started dwelling into this genre today. I have read 2 short stories, "the nine billion names of god" by clarke and "nightfall" by asimov.

[Anonymous No.21762246]

>>21762223
>that you learned from watching Jurassic Park III
I'm much older than you seem to think I am and I've had a thing for dinosaurs looong before Jurassic Park even existed. I learned about the fossilization process all on my OWN motherfucker. Don't generalize me you fucking PIG.

[Anonymous No.21762251]

>>21762234
It's a typical, believable response from older third worlder superstitious uneducated Roman Catholic spics...

Idiot.

[Anonymous No.21762252]

>>21762056
based kane poster

[Anonymous No.21762253]

>>21762160
I think the most accurate description would be "surrealistic neo-Palladianism" but that's a neologism I just came up with and not likely to garner any results in a search. I do lament the relative death of fantasist Renaissance art, most tends to lean towards gothicism or Art Deco. How do you feel about Art Nouveau/Belle Epoque style fantasy?

[Anonymous No.21762257]

>>21762149
i always thought it was because even though Sega tried to make it more 'mature' and take it more seriously, all the principle characters still look like bright cartoon characters that appeal to children/autists but they can feel more grown up because the stakes are higher than your average episode of Barney

[Anonymous No.21762260]

>>21762246
>tfw 1993 was 30 years ago

[Anonymous No.21762261]

>>21762237
Both absolute bottom of the barrel TRASH short stories from both authors. Way to start out your taste in absolute SHIT.

[Anonymous No.21762262]

>>21762251
None of the story is believable, nor reasonable. Cloning extinct animals is pseudo-science, especially dinosaurs, as there's no way to just get an egg formed from DNA (where we can inseminate cells into an egg with live animals). The closest thing we can do is a mammoth with an elephant womb.

[Anonymous No.21762265]

>>21762260
No shit, MORON.

[Anonymous No.21762267]

What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.21762273]

>>21762262
>None of the story is believable, nor reasonable.

Probably why it resides squarely in the genre of science FICTION you mealy mouthed retard motherfucker. It's also speculative fiction from over 30 years ago.

Get over yourself.

[Anonymous No.21762274]

>>21762262
Anon, you DO realize that this thread is dedicated entirely to unbelievable, counterfactual speculation, right? That's how scifi works - it's ALL bullshit that's made up to sell a story or a message. None of it is real. If it were real - or even realistic - it wouldn't be fiction. What are you gonna do, bitch about Tom Clancy fucking up The Hunt for Red October with his impossible stealth submarine technology? How do you even read if you lack the basic human ability to suspend your disbelief?

[Anonymous No.21762278]

>>21762261

[Anonymous No.21762281]

>>21762267
not enough gay rape in that image

>>21762237
>dwelling

[Anonymous No.21762282]

>>21762273
Hard sci fi or bust mate. That's how it is. Dumb Hollywood-worshipping bumpkin.
>>21762274
Sci fi subgenres have different levels of logic and reason in it. Is this your first time reading it? I don't happen to read the garbage soft sci fi.

[Anonymous No.21762283]

>>21761828
mother of learning is garbage

[Anonymous No.21762284]

>>21762262
Please tell me... what is the definition of the word FICTION that you have on YOUR planet?

[Anonymous No.21762287]

>>21762284
Fiction isn't necessarily intellectually lazy, plotfagging nonsense made for the screen, anon. Some of it illumines philosophical and scientific themes to a higher plane. Oakley Hall wrote that fiction is concerned with truth, not facts.
But nothing in Jurassic Park is truthful.

[Anonymous No.21762290]

>>21762253
>surrealistic neo-Palladianism
Perfection.

>Art Nouveau/Belle Epoque style fantasy
Had no idea that was a genre but I grew up with Little Nemo

[Anonymous No.21762293]

>>21762262
Yes, PLEASE state the OBVIOUS. I know you THINK you sound "smart" but everyone here thinks you're a dumb cunt.

[Anonymous No.21762300]

>>21762293
Dumb premise for a dumb book for children. I know I got you triggered, because you happen to read garbage which isn't concerned with the higher faculties of mind.

[Anonymous No.21762301]

>>21762274
I do remember reading somewhere that the caterpillar drive Clancy described would actually be louder than a conventional submarine's propulsion system.
>>21762282
>hard scifi
is the cancer killing scifi.

[Anonymous No.21762304]

>>21762287
>The original Jurassic Park was MADE for the screen

You want to know how I know that you're a dumbfuck zoomer?

[Anonymous No.21762305]

FUCK HARD (ie retarded, autistic, for incels) SCIFI
LONG LIVE SOFT (ie intellectual, emotionally mature) SCIFI

[Anonymous No.21762306]

>another bad faith newfag who can't make a single post without some psychotic personal attack
Where do these children even come from?

[Anonymous No.21762311]

>>21762300
Shit b8 m8 I r8 0.8 outta 8

[Anonymous No.21762312]

>>21762304
It was. Crichton was always trying to shill for Hollywood. That's what we learned at university when we "studied" his garbage for a week. He's also a grifter and propagandist for anyone who pays him.

[Anonymous No.21762313]

>>21762282
Hard SF is a myth, it's all still made-up bullshit with no basis in empirical fact, only wild guesses and flagrant wishful-thinking, but couched in such a way as to delude people into thinking it's real so they can maintain a snobbish aristocracy of genre.

>>21762290
BASED WINSOR MCCAY APPRECIATOR

[Anonymous No.21762318]

>>21762313
Did you read what I said? I like fiction concerned with truth, not fact. But there is nothing truthful in garbage, lazy sci fi that has no bearing on truth. Even Asimov derided the donning of science in sci fi for the purposes of telling swashbuckling or romance tales.

[Anonymous No.21762320]

>>21762313
>all still made-up bullshit with no basis in empirical fact
>ignores all hard sci-fi with citations at the end to reference their theories
Yes, things are x when I disregard all evidence to any contrary and pretend that entities which disprove me do not exist. :DDDDDD

[Anonymous No.21762323]

>>21762290
>Little Nemo in kino-land
Beyond Based

[Anonymous No.21762326]

>>21762312
Only The Lost World exists solely as big screen bait, moron. Crichton even went so far as to prevent further film adaptations of his work because they so often turned out shitty and didn't do the source material justice.

[Anonymous No.21762328]

>>21762326
His books read like movies. That's how you can tell he isn't a writer's writer.

[Anonymous No.21762330]

>>21762318
>I like fiction concerned with truth, not fact
Then why aren't you reading Christian literature?

[Anonymous No.21762332]

>>21762262
See what I talked about regularly? This is why I don't read scifi anymore. The hard scifi faggets killed this genre. They can't turn off there brain and enjoy, they always want the FUCKING FICTION to be backed by peer reviewed facts. Fuck hard scifi fags.

[Anonymous No.21762336]

>>21762320
>theories
Did you know Lamarckian evolution was apparently un-debunked (rebunked, in a word) in the news according to "science"?

[Anonymous No.21762338]

>>21762328
>writer's writer
Cringe.
>reader's writer
Based.

[Anonymous No.21762341]

>>21762330
These are my bibles... and science is my shield.

[Anonymous No.21762343]

>>21762140
>Legends & Lattes
I hope this stupid trend of "comfy fantasy" fucking dies

[Anonymous No.21762344]

>>21762262
No one likes you or wants to spend time with you.

[Anonymous No.21762348]

>>21762320
Alcubierre drives are a theory but for some reason we haven't achieved warp travel yet
Could it possibly be because it's not real; dare I say it - FICTION? As in, the very defintiion of something that is not true?

[Anonymous No.21762349]

>>21762344
*Nor
FTFY

[Anonymous No.21762359]

>>21762349
My point... Still stands.

[Anonymous No.21762360]

read worm

[Anonymous No.21762371]

>>21762348
If fiction is a lie, then why are you reading lies? Obviously there is something "true" about the emotions, feelings, morals, excitement, etc.

[Anonymous No.21762374]

>>21762360
convince me to do so

[Anonymous No.21762379]

>>21762261
Angwy

[Anonymous No.21762385]

>>21762371
if feels are more important than reals than wouldn't the feels from Jurassic Park outweigh any complaints about reals?

[Anonymous No.21762387]

>>21762374
It's the good genre fiction of the 10's

[Anonymous No.21762392]

>>21762385
Feelings aren't non-existent nor unreal. I have no idea where this meme came from. They would exist in someone's head, obviously. Whether or not they're truthful in the realm of science is another thing.

[Anonymous No.21762395]

How the fuck is there so much argumentation about unrealism in fiction here.

[Anonymous No.21762396]

>>21762395
I am autistic and also homosexual

[Anonymous No.21762398]

>>21762395
It's one of the major debates of the 20th century in literature. Look up literary realism. Without people moving on from realism, we probably wouldn't have seen as much speculative fiction flourish.

[Anonymous No.21762402]

>>21762395
Autists rarely have lives or friends so they flock to forums to cope

[Anonymous No.21762405]

>>21762387
the only good*

[Anonymous No.21762414]

>>21762360
>Gook drawings
Fuck off back to /a/, scum.

[Anonymous No.21762415]

>>21762402
What does that make you?

[Anonymous No.21762416]

>>21762395
Retarded manchildren that don't read actual literature so they need genre fantasy to be serious because they are too stupid to understand conventional literature, it happnes all the time on twitter and other forums with people having serious arguments about kids media like Steven Universe or Harry Potter.
>>21762402
also this t b h

[Anonymous No.21762421]

>>21762360
>Webnovel
why?

[Anonymous No.21762423]

>>21762416
>actual literature
Post the last piece of "actual literature" that you ever read?

[Anonymous No.21762425]

>>21762392
You are without a doubt the most weaselly sophist I've seen on 4chan in the last 36 hours

[Anonymous No.21762426]

>>21762415
I'm unemployed at the moment and waiting on some interviews. Fuck you, autist.

[Anonymous No.21762427]

>>21762402
Far beyond autism; it's pure disingenious shitposting at this phase.

[Anonymous No.21762428]

>>21761469
Except Neuromancer was shit. Good worldbuilding, dull plot, phonetically writing English with Japanese, Filipino, and Jamaican accents to fan fic levels.

Burning Chrome is better.

[Anonymous No.21762432]

>>21762427
I know that, it's just pointless to point it out.

[Anonymous No.21762434]

>>21762425
>last 36 hours
Maybe you should log off if it's getting you all vexed and annoyed. It probably means you have an addiction to being outraged, though.
>>21762426
I'm literally working as I'm fucking with you, so maybe you should know your place, schizo.

[Anonymous No.21762437]

>>21761803
Nah, Discworld came about because Pratchett saw all the shit aping Tolkien, and decided to make fun of them. Inadvertently writing better fantasies than most hard core fantasy writers, and does it with a smile.

[Anonymous No.21762441]

>>21762423
NTA but Owen Wister's 1902 novel "The Virginian", which was based directly on accounts given by cowboys about their experiences in Wyoming in the 1870s-1880s just sorted around to make a consistent narrative and with the names changed. Effectively, it's non-fiction, or at least it purports to be, just like the radio and TV shows of Dragnet with Jack Webb.

[Anonymous No.21762449]

>>21762441
>A western
>real literature
Lol. You people have no idea what you're talking about. Read some Zola or Balzac.

[Anonymous No.21762450]

>>21762434
>I'm literally working as I'm fucking with you

Which means you aren't working, you're fucking around while you SHOULD be working. Don't worry, you'll get yours sooner or later.

[Anonymous No.21762453]

>>21762434
>zoomoid doesn't recognize a Get Smart joke
Missed it by THAT much!

[Anonymous No.21762456]

>>21762450
All office jobs are 10% work, 90% browsing the internet. You'll find out when you actually are employed.
>>21762453
Get Smart movies were only good because it had Great Khali in it.

[Anonymous No.21762461]

>>21762449
But those are science fiction.

[Anonymous No.21762462]

>>21761993
CoM was mainly parody of existing fantasies, so characters didn't need to be fleshed out much.

Since it's in three parts I reckon it was a fixup of shorter stories that would explain the lack of depth.

I love it, bit I'm thrilled it's also his worst as it only got better.

[Anonymous No.21762465]

>>21762449
>Emile Zola
>real literature
what next, Marx? Hemingway? Tocqueville?

[Anonymous No.21762467]

>>21762465
No. Rabelais. Chaucer. Pound. Percy Shelley.

[Anonymous No.21762468]

>>21762423
John Dos Passos’s The 42nd Parallel
I'm reading Parade's End by John Maddox Ford next, i have a soft spot for literature from the first half of the 20th century

[Anonymous No.21762476]

>>21762468
Ford's cool. I like his poetry actually but no one talks about it. Wilfred Owen and Siegfried Sassoon are great war poets too.

[Anonymous No.21762483]

>>21762456
I've worked in physical labor all my life, I'd sooner kill myself than be a desk jockey.

You are scum to me.

[Anonymous No.21762485]

>>21762467
I'll stick to Corneille and Venerable Bede thank you very much.

>>21762449
Incidentally, Owen Wister's dedication includes the following passage:
>Once a cowpuncher listend patiently while I read him a manuscript. It concerned an event upon an Indian reservation. "Was that the Crow reservation?" he inquired at the finish. I told him that it was no real reservation and no real event; and his face expressed displeasure. "Why," he demanded, "do you waste your time writing what never happened, when you know so many things that did happen?"
I find that exchange presciently topical to the direction of this thread's current state of mental retardation and/or derangement.

[Anonymous No.21762491]

>>21762483
Robots will take over your job soon. You are only seeing the start. This is the dawn of the technocrat age... All the "dystopias" are become reality...

[Anonymous No.21762495]

>>21762462
I dunno if it's necessarily Pratchett's worst, but it's probably the worst Discworld book. I can't even remember The Light Fantastic to be fair, or Eric, but I THINK those were better? It all kind of blurs together until Mort, honestly.

[Anonymous No.21762498]

>>21762491
Good luck finding robots to fulfill custodial maintenance duties reliably. Stupid fuck.

[Anonymous No.21762508]

>>21762498
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

[Anonymous No.21762511]

>>21762491
>Be me
>Software engineer
>Company says we're moving to codeless frameworks. No need to employ Devs
>It doesn't do much more than the basic tutorials without code
>Still a software engineer
>AI comes along, says it can do my job
>It relies on online references
>Writes code, it thinks it works
>Reference was wrong,
>Still a software engineer

Writing code is easy. Fixing problems, managing expectations, agreeing specs with clients, documenting projects, working around limitations is why we are still software engineers.

[Anonymous No.21762528]

>>21762511
>managing expectations, agreeing specs with clients,
These things have never happened, but I guess that's appropriate for the fantasy thread.

[Anonymous No.21762531]

>>21762495
Light was a direct sequel, is definitely better (only just reread them in October).

CoM has the best first third, in Ankh, but then gets real muddled in the middle with the dragon lords and the eldritch god temple.

Light is one long thought out story, so harder to sum up, but consistently better. Though not the best ending of the two.

Then there's Equal Rites where gets the hang of things.

[Anonymous No.21762535]

>>21762508
>Garden
>Glorified watering hose
Go back and reread what I said, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.21762539]

>>21762441
>>21762476
That's how i found him, i've read his poetry and then i found out he was a novelist. sadly a lot of Great war poets and writers are overlooked in favor of post-WW2 literature. both have great authors but some people believe that you have to pick a side when you can read and enjoy both.
>>21762485
>"The Virginian paved the way for many more westerns by such authors as Zane Grey, Louis L'Amour" - wikipedia
wtf i love Wister's now?

[Anonymous No.21762546]

>>21762528
I try!

It's definitely not going to happen with an ai. All you'll get is PC Load Letter.

[Anonymous No.21762547]

>>21762187
Don't forget the gay stuff

[Anonymous No.21762548]

>>21762491
>Robots will take over your job soon.
Oh no!
>Robots will have your babies
Oh no?

[Anonymous No.21762551]

>>21762531
Right, right. As I said, I don't recall too much of any of those books. You can sort of see where the series really comes into its own with Mort, and the books before that are just sort of steps in that direction and the characters all feel a little off from their later portrayals, not because they grow into those characters like Vimes being different in the early Watch books but because they're just not the same characters (Granny Weatherwax in Equal Rites is just not the same character as she is in Wyrd Sisters for example, and the Patrician is APPARENTLY Vetinari even in the first few books despite that so blatantly being a different person in actions and character). I don't think any of the worst ones are even bad, they're just weird in the grand scheme of Discworld being so great.

[Anonymous No.21762555]

>>21762535
What do you read, Willie the groundskeeper?
>>21762548
We know from Philip K Dick you can only kill what you can fuck. Especially fembots.

[Anonymous No.21762563]

>>21762360
I did , didn't like it.

I even tried Ward , in case it wasn't so emo. But no , cripple hero group that will for sure die horrible deaths on the first arcs.

[Anonymous No.21762566]

>>21762160
Is Piranesi worth reading? I've heard it recommended a few times and the premise sounds interesting. The only downside I can see is that it was written by a woman

[Anonymous No.21762569]

>>21762551
>Granny Weatherwax in Equal Rites is just not the same character as she is in Wyrd Sisters
She was very maternal in ER. I guess Terry thought his heroine didn't need a kid to want to do something noble. Way ahead of his time.

>I don't think any of the worst ones are even bad, they're just weird in the grand scheme of Discworld being so great
Yes, sir.

[Anonymous No.21762574]

>>21762566
Then there is no downside. Just get over your crippling jealousy that female illiteracy was the only thing floating you to mid wit tier.

[Anonymous No.21762578]

>>21762253
Holy kino. What's the name for this style of art? Also the artist who made your pic related?

[Anonymous No.21762585]

>>21762566
It's fine. I'm not versed in feminist themes and shit but it seemed to be just a normal story without any political bullshit thrown in to me.

[Anonymous No.21762598]

>>21762578
Probably just fantasy landscape. Tom Kidd is the artist

[Anonymous No.21762607]

>>21762301
>>hard scifi
>is the cancer killing scifi.
*killed
The so called "golden age" of sci-fi was FAR less popular than the pulp era sci-fi that preceded it.

[Anonymous No.21762624]

>>21762578
The "style" of art that I can most accurately give you is something like "fantasy Belle Epoque", though that's not a popularly recognized term, what I mean to evoke is the fantastical stylizations of the late and post-Victorian era, circa 1890-1920, before the advent of Art Deco. That particularly artist associated with that image is Tom Kidd, doing homage to the famous American cartoonist Winsor McKay, of Little Nemo in Dreamland fame. Other illustrators contemporary with the period would include (but obviously are not limited to) Franklin Booth, Stephen Reid, Arthur Rackham, N.C. Wyeth, Henry Justice Ford, Alphonse Mucha, and Maxfield Parrish. The only modern artist that comes to mind is Michael Whelan's Barsoom illustrations.

[Anonymous No.21762626]

>>21762551
The actual worst ones, the last few books, suffer from mischaracterization way more.
I always wondered if it was just the alzheimers or if it was ghostwriting from whoever he was dictating to. So much of the last few books just doesn't sound at all like Pratchett's authorial voice.

[Anonymous No.21762636]

>>21762607
That's why I personally refer to as the "so-called Golden Age" as the true Silver Age. All Golden Age scifi is pulp, and this includes the original Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers/John Carter style stuff of the 20s and 30s as well as their heirs from the 70s and beyond with Star Wars and its successors like Stargate and Fifth Element.

>>21762290
Also I forgot to mention this contemporary architect named Carl Laubin who does impossible studies that border on the Escher-esque.

[Anonymous No.21762639]

>>21762585
That's what I was worried about, desu. I think I'll read it

>>21762574
I'm sure she'll read this, bro

[Anonymous No.21762652]

>>21762624
Thank you, anon. I wanna cover my wall with this type of shit.

[Anonymous No.21762672]

>>21762639
I don't need women present to not be an incel, I'm just not.

[Anonymous No.21762679]

>>21762626
Would that be the kids ones? I remember reading Dodger, and not minding it. I hadn't read a Discworld book in a while by that time, but didn't think it wasn't Pratchett's style.

[Anonymous No.21762686]

>>21762652
Very technically speaking, the entire aesthetic movement of that era was lumped into a category called "Art Nouveau", but that word tends only to evoke the ornamental element, like building facades, or home furnishings, or commercial illustration, and tends to ignore the fields of representative art or fantasists as beneath its contempt.

[Anonymous No.21762691]

>>21762679
I'm talking about the Unseen Academicals, Snuff, Raising Steam and Judgement Day mostly.

[Anonymous No.21762694]

>>21762449
Owen Wister is a god among novelists; you're missing out my dude. Relevant to this thread, he also wrote my favorite fantasy book of all time.

>>21762566
It's worthwhile; the worldbuilding is 10/10 but most agree the plot is thin. The first few chapters read like My Side of the Mountain set in a museum; I could have read a whole novel comprised of just that. Not many people realize it's actually spinoff fiction of the Magician's Nephew.

[Anonymous No.21762698]

>>21762691
I don't think I minded those that much, what were the issues there?

[Anonymous No.21762710]

>>21762698
You have stuff like extremely weirdly on the nose "slavery is bad because they bring utility by singing beatifully and are not actually as ugly as they look" commentary, Rincewind being treated with respect and acting as an authority in front of both Ridcully and the Dean who previously would always cut him off and he would never have that kind of authority voice in the first place (if anything you'd expect that of Ridcully), having long spergy rants about atheism using a real earth woman librarian mary sue as his mouth piece and I forget what was off by Raising Steam since it was a while since I read it.

[Anonymous No.21762712]

>>21762672
>unironically uses incel
Good boy, anon. Go get your good boy points from your twitch thot now

[Anonymous No.21762715]

>>21762694
>Not many people realize it's actually spinoff fiction of the Magician's Nephew.
Huh, interesting. Could you expand on that? I really enjoyed Magician's Nephew for its otherwordly and creepy atmosphere, especially in the Witch's world.

[Anonymous No.21762751]

>>21762710
I think it was kind of nice that Rincewind basically got a break. Like, they don't really respect him as a wizard, but they at least respect his tenacity and ability to survive, so they figure he deserves SOME sort of post.

[Anonymous No.21762752]

General fiction still sells more than sci fi and fantasy. What gives? Is it women buying all the general fiction?

[Anonymous No.21762757]

>>21762752
Don’t you ever get tired of repeating the same question every thread? For fuck sakes, do something with your life than doing that.

[Anonymous No.21762771]

>>21762712
>Thinking everybody has an angle.
Dude if you just tried being nice to people, you'd see you're the only one in your way.

[Anonymous No.21762778]

>>21762771
autistic sociopaths genuinely don't comprehend that concept, it's tragic, I know

[Anonymous No.21762780]

>>21762752
>Womewomewomenwomenwomen i hate women because My mom didn't Hug me womenwomenwomen
Shut The fuck up and read women authors.

[Anonymous No.21762803]

>>21762013
Cradle was vamping off Xianxia, not anime. Whole different set of ideas.

[Anonymous No.21762804]

>>21762751
The issue wasn't his post, they gave him that in the earlier Science of the Disc books when discussing some things, it's just the way it played out was extremely out of character.

[Anonymous No.21762810]

>>21762752
Fantasyfags are moving toward webnovels.
Even women who want fantasy aren't necessarily going to be into the nu faggy kind pushed by publishers.
As for science fiction that's been true ever since they stopped being mainly pulp.

[Anonymous No.21762821]

>>21762021
Based.

[Anonymous No.21762824]

>>21762752
>I-is that a w-w-woman?!! Aaaaaaahhhh i'm going insaneeeee, the west has falleeenn aaaaahhhh

[Anonymous No.21762826]

>>21762686
Searching for it is best done by name, date, or finally "illustration"/ad/poster. Some other terms are various post-impressionist movements outside of gallery art, the whole thing is so-called low art or otherwise outside the scope of normative classification. Deco and the surrealists are similar in that regard and there's a lot of overlap in names, dates and general style. It's not really my field of interest other than some of the names you mentioned, otherwise I'd have some catalogs to share. Pinterest has some good algorithms for finding things, I don't think it's been fucked as bad as other image searches.

[Anonymous No.21762833]

>>21762804
I don't really recall him acting as an authority beyond, like, speaking from experience with cosmic horror bullshit. For the most part he was just in the background.

[Anonymous No.21762836]

Jesus Christ this fucking general is absolutely dogshit in discussing books. Why even have it.

[Anonymous No.21762870]

>>21762836
It's a tard-wrangling containment board. Are you so new that you didn't realize this yet?

[Anonymous No.21762915]

First time reading it
What am I in for?

[Anonymous No.21762917]

>>21762915
Why don’t you read it to know what you’re in for instead of wasting time making this post?

[Anonymous No.21762918]

>>21762343
It's the only one I've even heard of

[Anonymous No.21762920]

>>21762915
I know this is revolutionary, but try actually reading it to know what you’re in for.

[Anonymous No.21762922]

>>21762917
Anon, /lit/ is literally made for this. It's a safe space where you ask internet strangers to tell you what to read, how to read, and what you thought about it.

[Anonymous No.21762924]

>>21762915
Incest

[Anonymous No.21762925]

>>21762920
I don't know how to read.

[Anonymous No.21762926]

>>21762922
Then go to goodsreads or reddit. Fucking hell, why even have the book if you’re not even going to read it.

[Anonymous No.21762927]

>>21762836
It's been okay for recs in the past, you just have to kinda work out if the guys who read are in the thread first.
It's an old enough and slow enough thread that people will just leave if someone is shitting it up and come back a week later.

[Anonymous No.21762941]

>>21762691
>Unseen Academicals
I didn't read it, but I heard this book introduced orcs into the discworld which seem like a odd addition to me. Especial so late in the series.

[Anonymous No.21762954]

>>21762915
More cock

[Anonymous No.21762961]

>>21762926
Are you incapable of making decisions without the guidance of anonymous internet strangers?

[Anonymous No.21762975]

>>21762915
>>21762954
MOOR cock
literally BBC

[Anonymous No.21762982]

>>21762961
There's a veritable OCEAN of shit to pick through, it helps to vet choices.. faggot.

[Anonymous No.21762987]

>>21762982
How new?

[Anonymous No.21762992]

>>21762982
If scrolling this thread and checking the past few threads, I really doubt /sffg/ would help in book vetting.

[Anonymous No.21762993]

>>21762941
Well, orcs in Discworld are sort of spoofing off of Tolkien where they're a created race. Except instead of being sort of subhuman monsters, they're just... Ridiculously hypercapable super soldiers that people wanted to get rid of for being so frighteningly capable. The only real orc we see is mistaken for a goblin because he doesn't really look like anything else, but it's clear that his mind is like half-computer in terms of ability which makes him kind of worrying if he weren't such a good person. There's implications of "other orcs just out there living alone away from people" but we don't really see much of them as a whole, or as a species overall after this. Goblins actually get a fair shake in Snuff though.

[Anonymous No.21762994]

>>21762987
I've been here since 2005.

[Anonymous No.21762996]

>>21762926
it's called curation retard

[Anonymous No.21762998]

>>21762992
Eh, every once in a while. It's just another ocean of shit to slog through.

[Anonymous No.21763000]

>>21762994
You could have had an adult son in that time and raised him to go to college to become the next Isaac Asimov.
You could have had an adult daughter in that time and raised her to go to college, to get an OnlyFans after studying a meme degree.
Don't be like Anon.

[Anonymous No.21763003]

>>21762992
>I really doubt /sffg/ would help in book vetting.
And anyone with a functioning brains knows that and don’t use /sffg/ at all.

[Anonymous No.21763011]

>>21763000
"Eh" I'm only 31. There's still time.

[Anonymous No.21763019]

I really want a box of Chicken Biskits right now for some reason...

[Anonymous No.21763023]

I am Skafloc fighting against the army of trolls, whilst other anons are my changeling nemeses who rage and seethe that they are not trve. They whine about the slog and sea of filth. I rise above. Truth shines.

[Anonymous No.21763028]

>>21763011
See you in neo-athens, I'll swing by your amphora.

[Anonymous No.21763049]

Bakker is a sexist???

[Anonymous No.21763059]

>>21762771
>>21762778
damn, I'm a sociopath now? What in any of my statements made you think I wasn't a nice person?

It's a fact: men make better art than women in general and especially in 2023, year of our lord, since pseudo-progressivism/feminism fills almost every inch of mainstream art nowadays. Which, btw, was my original worry with Piranesi.

Don't get me wrong, I like women artists. Just not most of the time lel

[Anonymous No.21763065]

>>21762780
>t. low T simpoid
Good boy, anon. I'm sure you'll drown in pussy now

[Anonymous No.21763068]

The average poster ITT

[Anonymous No.21763075]

My BotNS hardbacks come in tomorrow. I'm going to mark them the fuck up so I don't have to use the Lexicon ever again.

[Anonymous No.21763084]

[Anonymous No.21763092]

I'm writing a story about a self-insert OC traveling back in time to fight viking shield-maidens and have sex with them and save King Arthur from Mordred
would you read this?
if your answer is no I don't care so don't bother replying

[Anonymous No.21763133]

>>21762752
The contemporary obsession with so-called 'realist' fiction is an aberration caused by the Enlightenment and exaggerated by rich cunts trying to separate the masses from God. In the 5,000 year history of literature it's only been a thing for about 150, and it probably won't last another 200.

[Anonymous No.21763139]

>>21762915
The best fantasy pulp you could want. Just finished the first book in vol 1, and I was blown away. Read it almost all in one sitting.

>>21762924
>Incest
Only a little bit, and by modern standards. First cousin is still accepted with royalty.

[Anonymous No.21763148]

>>21763092
>shield-maidens and have sex with them and save King Arthur from Mordred
>would you read this?
Only if he fucks mordred's mother and has a shieldmaiden mommy gf

[Anonymous No.21763155]

>>21763084
>dyel tattoos nerd series on his stick legs
LOL
the average bakker fanboy

[Anonymous No.21763159]

>>21763059
>What in any of my statements made you think I wasn't a nice person?

>>21762712
>Good boy, anon. Go get your good boy points from your twitch thot now

The tragedy is you don't even understand how unlikable your words make you.

Also you're so thirsty for attention, because, well. If this how you are when you can form any sentence you like, and present yourself however you choose, imagine what you must be like in your day to day interactions with real people.

[Anonymous No.21763171]

>>21762757
The first time I asked it and your schizo brain makes a loose association with some other post you saw. Go outside.
>>21762780
I read CL Moore and Tanith Lee. General fiction just sucks.
>>21762824
Women writers used to be good. Now it's all sanitised agitprop or travel fiction/YA schlock.
>>21763133
"rich cunts" yeah, it was also the Marxists and Stalinists who came up with socialist realism to get rid of all the idealism.

[Anonymous No.21763180]

>>21763023
Based Broken Sword larper

[Anonymous No.21763183]

>>21763075
Why would you do that?

[Anonymous No.21763185]

>>21763148
>Only if he fucks mordred's mother and has a shieldmaiden mommy gf
the shield-maiden mommy gf is already in
the problem with that is that Mordred's mother is also his mother because he's reincarnated Sir Gawain - both are sons of Morgause of Orkney, aka Morgan la Fey, and I'm not female enough to get away with publishing mother-son incest in a novel

[Anonymous No.21763187]

>>21763159
>thinking I actually use 4chan jargon in the real world
peak autismo, right here kek.
>Good boy, anon. Go get your good boy points from your twitch thot now
Telling the truth is not a sin

[Anonymous No.21763186]

>>21763023
>I am Skafloc
Your adopted elf mom is getting gangbanged by trolls while you are fighting

[Anonymous No.21763188]

what a fucking mess. 2016 really did a number on this place

[Anonymous No.21763190]

>>21763186
So? I get to have prime sister pussy and only my own cock-sword shall impale me with mine own doom.

[Anonymous No.21763201]

>>21763155
You'd get stomped at a Bakker convention, bro.

[Anonymous No.21763215]

>>21763201
the bakker convention in question

[Anonymous No.21763227]

>>21763185
>he's reincarnated Sir Gawain
I will now read your book, gawain is my favourite arthurian character and i've read Down the Long Wind by Gillian Bradshaw and Sir Gawain and The Green Knight dozens of time when i was a kid.
>I'm not female enough to get away with publishing mother-son incest in a novel
Sad, imagine how many great mother-son novels we missed because of publishers bigotry baka

[Anonymous No.21763231]

>>21763084
This picture is fucking embarrassing. Delete it.

[Anonymous No.21763240]

>>21763231
>>21763215
Truth shines. Stop seething.

[Anonymous No.21763249]

>>21763227
>Sad, imagine how many great mother-son novels we missed because of publishers bigotry baka
fortunately based women authors like Tanith Lee get away with mother-son incest
men aren't permitted to express Oedipal fixations, they can only get away with brother-sister incest or platonic Electra complexes (aka the "daughterfu" phenomenon)

[Anonymous No.21763250]

>>21763084
This guy has some really curved legs

[Anonymous No.21763255]

>>21763240
Hey, I've enjoyed the series well enough up to now, I'm on the judging eye now and just about burnt out but you're still a fucking faggot for your level of fanboyery

It's hilariously embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.21763261]

>>21763183
So someone else doesn't have to. I usually read 16th and 17th century manuscripts for fun so some margin notes are always welcome. Putting a book inside two books is just something to do and will save time when I inevitably read it for a fifth time.

[Anonymous No.21763265]

>>21763240
>Pasty nerds taking pictures of pasty nerds

Just.. Stop.

[Anonymous No.21763287]

>muh chinkshit
>muh aneemays
>muh woman authors
STFU, poseur. D reigns supreme.

[Anonymous No.21763302]

I hate modern sff authors that write their main character as a sort of self insert, goody two shoes, filled with virtue signaling and a flawless personality. How can readers stomach this bullshit? It's incredibly hard to digest. I was just reading Sun Eater and the main character can turn evil, or so that's the whole premise of it but how are you supposed to get last those firt chapters, they're just unbearable. Give me an opportunistic, flawed character that would that advantage and do what other may only think of doing. I'm tired of this shit.

[Anonymous No.21763314]

>>21763302
You want to self-insert as a sociopath instead.

[Anonymous No.21763324]

>>21763314
There's only two options? I want someone that acts like they belong during the period when the book is set. No man is perfect and no man has been enlightened from a young age.

[Anonymous No.21763326]

>>21763287
Just got this in the mail. I hope the writing isn't dogshit

[Anonymous No.21763337]

>>21763249
>Tanith Lee
She's so underrated despite being so based. Heinlein was allowed to write incest too.
I hate the daughterfu trend that started with the Last of Us.

[Anonymous No.21763340]

>>21763326
The only good ones are already movies.

[Anonymous No.21763346]

>>21763084
>>21763240
>Truth shines. Stop seething

[Anonymous No.21763359]

>>21763337
Heinlein got away with it because he was gay, LGBT authors can get away with anything
I like the daughterfu ideal, but TLOU and its ilk sucks dick

[Anonymous No.21763373]

Why is every book search engine so shit manga and hentai figured this shit out years ago and yet a book search engine that lets you search 2 tags or genre at once is still almost non existent

[Anonymous No.21763376]

>>21763373
Try storygraph

[Anonymous No.21763395]

>>21763376
just as bad, the tags are so vague as to not be helpful then you pick from a useless genre list, goodreads is the closest to decent if they would just let you search multiple tags at once

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I'm going to make these shorter since I've hit my goal...

>The Iron Prince by Bryce O'Connor and Luke Chmilenko

One of the few rare wards of the state in a near eutopian future, Reidon 'Ward' pushes himself into intense combat and training in spite of a rare genetic disorder called 'fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva' in which his skeletal tissue is progressively replaced with bone. Now 18, he pushes himself in training so that he can enlist in the Inter-System Collective Military and receive his very own Combat Assistant Device. Since a child he has dreamed of participating in the Inter-Systems Simulated Combat Tournaments. This also presents a potential quality of life improvement, as CADs have been known to assist with healing and potential genetic disorders. Participating in the Enlistment tests with his best friend Vivian, both of their training and studying bear fruit.

A Combat Assistance Device appear as a pair of cuffs on the user's wrists. When 'Called' they manifest as a specific weapon depending on that user's Type. These are Sabers, Lancers, Brawlers, etc. Over time these CADs will evolve and change into more complete suits of armor that cover the user's entire body. The weapons will also develop from basic blades and axes into chainswords and the like. CAD users can also develop Abilities that enhance their weapons, such as 'Overclock' which enhances strength.

Passing the knowledge section in the 99th Percentile, Rei goes on to the Physical Examination only to fail... until he sees his 'FAIL' edited on the digital pad the physician is carrying. He passes to the final test under a technicality and meets the super AI that manages this collective eutopia, the Massive Intellect Networked Database or MIND. Seeing how Rei struggles in the face of adversity, the MIND has decided to use him like a guinea pig. Rei is assigned a low-rank CAD with a never-before-seen growth potential: S. Now accepted as a CAD user in the ISCM, he applies to one of the most prestigious military institutes in his system, Galens.

Its there that he forges friendships with others that have struggled and overcome such as the strongest first year, Aria Laurent or my personal favorite character, Layton 'Catcher' Catchwick.

[Final Thoughts]

Started off strong but the writers make some choices during the academy portion that I found questionable. It plays out a lot like a shonen anime friend group but to the story's detriment. They off-screen quite a few noteworthy fights in the interest of long-term tension but I don't think the pay-offs are there. Especially not in this book's conclusion. I would be willing to read the next book though, which is more than I can say about most.

6.5/10. S'alright.

Noticed someone was looking for me in a past thread to review their series on Royal Road so I'm giving that a whirl.

>Currently Reading: The Elevation Chronicles by Captain Caps-Lock
>Currently Listening: Sufficiently Advanced Magic by Andrew Rowe

[Anonymous No.21763428]

>>21763413
>6.5/10. S'alright.
I don't trust you when you give this shit and Bastion such good reviews, but tank mother of learning.

[Anonymous No.21763431]

>>21763413
Kinda surprised you rated this one so high, actually. I didn't hate it, it was broadly competent, but it was just so nothing. It's a story that barely even has an inciting incident or stakes or drama or conflict. It's literally just Rei power-leveling and then he beats up a bully who it turns out wasn't even that bad of a guy. It's a magic academy story that's just a normal fucking school year where nothing goes wrong.

[Anonymous No.21763438]

>>21763428
Agreed. Iron Prince, of all things, sure as shit should not be above average.

[Anonymous No.21763447]

>>21763438
It's probably a square 5/10 for me, if only because I didn't hate it, but I just sort of felt nothing by the end. The most notable thing about the protagonist is the genetic disease he has (which is a real thing, it's fucked up), and the most notable thing about his best friend is that she's bi.

[Anonymous No.21763458]

>>21763413
Bit late in the thread to post it, but good work.

[Anonymous No.21763472]

>>21763447
Like reviewer said, it's like a shounen anime, as if author watched a handful of powerlevel anime then decided to write a book based off of it. Nothing new or unique or insightful is presented. And you better not read his book if you're a bigot!

[Anonymous No.21763484]

>>21763472
It's weird because Cradle is like that too, but... Cradle also has characters that're interesting or entertaining. Lindon is a crafty, greedy protagonist, Eithan is fucking hilarious, Yerin's cute and snarky, Mercy is just a sweet bean, etc. I can't remember the names of anybody in Iron Prince without looking at that above review except for Rei and that's just because it was an unusual protagonist name.

[Anonymous No.21763486]

Just finished man in the high castle and so what that universe only exists in the book im reading? Kind of disappoint for about 2 seconds i thought he was getting at the nazis actually being pawns of the allies which would have been more interesting

[Anonymous No.21763495]

>>21763486
You have to watch the Metz address to understand it... "Alternative histories" is a misnomer. It's a parallel history.

[22 of 20 (Currently Reading: The Elevation Chronicles) No.21763504]

>>21763428
Act I and Act II are boring as piss. Shit doesn't actually 'start' until Act III. Series as a whole gets an 8 from me, but Act I remains a 5. Act II a 6... So an increases of 1 point by Act?

>>21763431
After Rei gets worked over, the story takes a huge dip but there's enough potential in the world and with the progression system here that it was engaging enough to keep me invested until that lull. The characters they introduce to cover the spread are endearing in their own development, Sents(sp?) and his crowd especially. If the next book is another year of academy bullshit that only revolves around the team fight, I'm out though. Stakes definitely need to be escalated which is why I couldn't give it a 7.

>>21763458
It don't matter. Think I usually find myself at the ass end of threads anyways.

[Anonymous No.21763509]

>>21763484
nta
Rei isn't unusual. It's a relatively common name in Japanese works. Rey is a Star Wars protagonist. There are many more examples.

[Anonymous No.21763513]

>>21763504
I... Do not remember who Sents is. I remember like 7 characters. Rei, Vivian, Rei's love interest, the friend guy, the bully who Vivian ends up dating, their legendary teacher lady and that big deal guy who's a later-year student that ends up training Rei and crew a bit. I don't remember any of their names except Rei and Vivian.

[Anonymous No.21763516]

>>21763509
I more meant within the realm of protagonists within these sorts of things. It stood out a bit more, I know it's a relatively common Japanese name, but you tend to get pretty much just white guys in these sorts of stories, and they all have pretty standard-ass English names, with the occasional outlier like Lindon, who's technically Asian.

[Anonymous No.21763519]

https://www.orbitbooks.net/blog/
Maybe not all presses are bad...

[Anonymous No.21763528]

>>21763519
What makes you think that?

[Anonymous No.21763529]

Kill ALL tripfags

[Anonymous No.21763533]

>>21763528
It has interesting work.
This one, along with Orbit, published Bakker; it also published Mervyn Peake, etc.
https://www.abramsbooks.com/imprints/overlookpress/

[Anonymous No.21763534]

>>21763529
There aren't any in this thread though.

[Anonymous No.21763535]

>>21763484
Cradle definitely feels influenced by earlier anime where characters came first. yes there's training and power levels and tournaments but the characters are the beating heart of it. other stuff like the thing in the review looks more like it's based on powerlevel wank and characters are secondary, it's the entire litRPG genre and why i dislike it. i hope one day Cradle is associated with better books. it's not the greatest thing ever written but i think it's good for what it is.

[Anonymous No.21763544]

>>21763535
Cradle is the king of its literary ghetto.

[Anonymous No.21763545]

>>21763535
>i hope one day Cradle is associated with better books
see >>21762025
It's done about as well as it possibly could.

[Anonymous No.21763546]

>>21763535
Well, I don't think power-level focused stuff and all that is necessarily bad. I just think Iron Prince isn't a good example. It's too long, it spends so much of those pages doing NOTHING interesting, etc. You don't have to be unique, you just have to be interesting, and I'm surprised I finished the book to be honest. I guess the promise alone was enough (which I'll give Iron Prince that, it does MAKE that promise very thoroughly, it just never really gives you any follow-up). Like, if you wanna compare it to Bastion, at least Bastion has stuff happening. Scorio isn't much of a character either, but plot at least happens.

[Anonymous No.21763551]

Cradle is YA trash

[Anonymous No.21763556]

>>21763533
Why didn't Bakker self-publish? He shamed himself by being with tradpub, like so many others did. There's no excuse. Authors have been self-publishing for centuries!

[Anonymous No.21763557]

>>21763201
>>21763240
This is what the average bakker fanboy looks like

[Anonymous No.21763562]

>>21763413
your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.21763566]

>>21763551
Yes, and? That's its appeal.

[Anonymous No.21763567]

>>21763556
Multi-Level Marketing, anon. Multi-Level Marketing...

[Anonymous No.21763568]

>>21763535
>Cradle definitely feels influenced by earlier anime where characters came first.
What do you mean earlier anime? It's the newer shit that Cradle is aping, not the older.

[Anonymous No.21763576]

>>21763567
Behold the founding fathers of self-publishing.

[Anonymous No.21763578]

>>21763557
This is what the average Bakker enjoyer looks like.

[Anonymous No.21763582]

Jesus fucking Christ, this general should stop being made if this thread is anything to go by.

[Anonymous No.21763586]

>>21763582
Nobody with a brain actually uses /sffg/ to discuss books, that’s what Reddit and goodreads is for. This general is just for all the brain dead retards that think /lit/ is the new /b/.

[Anonymous No.21763587]

>>21763568
Depends on how you define new and old. 20 years ago is old for a lot of its readers and anons here.

[Anonymous No.21763588]

>>21763582
It's recurrently made by the very same people who want it to exist for the free shitposting it provides.

[Anonymous No.21763590]

>>21763582
It serves a vital purpose, anon. to quarantine these types away from the rest of the board. it’s a containment thread.

[Anonymous No.21763596]

>>21763582
“We are the race of niggers,
We are the race of shitposters.”

[Anonymous No.21763597]

>>21763582
Thread didn’t even last a day, but still you have delusional retards like >>21762927 who still think it’s somehow usable.

[Anonymous No.21763599]

>>21763578
>fat boomer
do bakkerfags consider this impressive?

[Anonymous No.21763601]

>>21763582
What's worse ssfg or wg or wwoym

All three containments are terrible.

[Anonymous No.21763604]

>>21763597
Newfags think these threads last a week.

[Anonymous No.21763605]

>>21763599
That's Dr Sadler to you....

[Anonymous No.21763607]

16 hours from start to bump limit. A fast thread this time. May not make it to 24 before being archived.

[Anonymous No.21763610]

>>21763601
/wg/ at least haves a few people writing, /sffg/ only has one reviewer with a trip that goes by /sffg/

[Anonymous No.21763614]

>>21763610
Newfag... you're supposed to make slightly esoteric mentions of books you like then shit on others who have no taste (like you, for you a patrician).

[Anonymous No.21763620]

>>21763495
was PKD the oracle or am I reading too far into this

[Anonymous No.21763624]

>>21763610
That's not true. There are several reviewers. Do you not see >>21763413

[Anonymous No.21763626]

>>21763587
I suppose so.

[Anonymous No.21763627]

>>21763546
>Well, I don't think power-level focused stuff and all that is necessarily bad.
i think one of Cradle's strengths is that it ties the powerlevel wank to character moments. there's a few asspulls here and there but for the most part characters need to work on themselves and become stronger - emotionally, not just physically - in order to progress which helps it a lot. characters just becoming stronger in of itself isn't really interesting which is something Dragon Ball forgot a lot time ago sadly.

>>21763551
it seemed more to me that it wasn't YA aimed but is just kind of there because it doesn't feature a lot of explicit content. not to say it's some hidden intellectual thing or whatever.

>>21763568
stuff like the original Dragon Ball, Yu Yu Hakusho. some of the early DBZ stuff is okay but by Androids/Cell it just becomes a parody of itself. the bad litrpg-anime shit is vamping off the Androids/Cell powerwank shit.

[Anonymous No.21763630]

>>21763556
I think people here like to imagine Bakker as le based 30-something tradcon writer when he's actually a late 50s Vanderbilt educated leaflord who sits in an ivory tower and strokes his beard while trying to comprehend the brains of the lower classes.

[Anonymous No.21763632]

>>21763620
Read VALIS when reeling from psychosis and make up your own mind you will.

[Anonymous No.21763635]

>>21763610
It really is depressing that dude really is the only reviewer on here. The rest is just endless fucking shitposts and troll posts.

[Anonymous No.21763636]

>>21763624
He does this often.

[Anonymous No.21763643]

>>21763627
>ties the powerlevel wank to character moments
I mean, same shit for Stormlight Archive. That has its own problems with sort of retreading the same character arc, but the concept is sound.

[Anonymous No.21763644]

>>21763635
And he gets shit on because of it. This general is fucking pointless.

[Anonymous No.21763645]

>>21763636
>>21763635
>>21763632
>>21763630
>>21763627
>>21763626
>>21763624
>>21763620
>>21763610
>>21763607
>>21763605
>>21763604
>>21763596
>>21763582
>>21763586
>>21763587
>>21763588
>>21763587
>>21763586
Sneed

[Anonymous No.21763647]

>>21763635
i personally dislike reviews as a format and prefer candid conversations about what i've read and what i thought about it

>>21763644
i do not mind reviewfag's posts

[Anonymous No.21763650]

>>21763630
Bakker was going to finish his PhD but he got accepted for his first novel a few weeks before submission of his thesis, so he changed his career path. I don't buy into "oh I'm an anti-establishment, independent scholar" thing he does. He was made no matter what he did. Dude's probably laughing at all these petulant fags on the internet pretending they can own him by memeing him or something.

[Anonymous No.21763653]

>>21763630
Never let reality get in the way of a favored delusion.

[Anonymous No.21763654]

>>21763644
It's one guy who hates literally any reviews. There's like two or three consistent reviewposters, that one there is a guy who sort of challenged himself to read a bunch of progression fantasy/cultivation/LitRPG stuff just to see what was good (turns out it's a mixed bag, surprising nobody), then there's a guy who just kind of seems to read whatever, and then a few... What I think might actually just be copy-pasted reviews from Goodreads show up now and then.

[Anonymous No.21763663]

>>21763654
>What I think might actually just be copy-pasted reviews from Goodreads show up now and then.
Those are mine, I copy and paste review from goodreads because a few retards refuse to go there to goodreads to know what they’re in for when it comes to books.

[Anonymous No.21763665]

>>21763647
The problem with conversations is finding someone else willing to do so. I think you mostly only think you like to do so, but don't do so in practice.

[Anonymous No.21763668]

>>21763647
> prefer candid conversations about what i've read and what i thought about it
Then why are you even here?

[Anonymous No.21763671]

>>21763665
>I think you mostly only think you like to do so, but don't do so in practice.
why do you think i'm here, what posts do you think i've made over the 17 hours of this thread's life?

[Anonymous No.21763674]

>>21763665
>>21763668
>thinking "conversations" means IRL verbal exchanges and can't mean discussing a book with anons on the 'oard

[Anonymous No.21763678]

>>21763671
Fun and meta posting.

[Anonymous No.21763685]

Holy... GRRM and Bakker in one room talking about the history of the crusades... too much grim... to much dark... it will create a blackhole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjCnU11COm8

[Anonymous No.21763702]

Least insane reverend insanity fan 1/4

[Anonymous No.21763703]

>>21763674
Looking how dogshit this thread is and previous threads, yes.

[Anonymous No.21763709]

>>21763674
I, too, have been here all summer on 4channel and love discussing classic titles such as Wheel of Time(TM), A Song of Ice and Fire(TM), and Hyperion(TM), in every single thread with my fellow shitposters and GPTbots!
AYO DOOKIE PICK UP THA PHONE

[Anonymous No.21763710]

>>21763703
Are you new? It's been this way for years.

[Anonymous No.21763711]

>>21763227
>gawain is my favourite arthurian character
Did you like The Wedding of Sir Gawain and Dame Ragnelle? That's a significant focus of my story. I can provide you with a (very rough) draft of my book if you're interested.

[Anonymous No.21763713]

>>21763654
He has another challenge on his Goodreads profile but who knows when he'll get around to it.

[Anonymous No.21763731]

>>21763702
Least insane reverend insanity fan 2/4

[Anonymous No.21763738]

>>21763731
Least insane reverend insanity fan 3/4

[Anonymous No.21763741]

>>21763738
Least insane reverend insanity fan 4/4

[Anonymous No.21763813]

>>21763738
>and then through a series of coincidences I'm not going to go into here I wound up taking 50x the normal dose of ketamine
Checks out

[Anonymous No.21763819]

>>21763702
I made the mistake of taking acid and feeling stuck in Wagner's Parsifal, as well as Beckett's Endgame, then once I took shrooms I went to Paradise Lost's fiery lakes with the rebel hosts... This shit is real.

[Anonymous No.21763834]

>>21763635
Very few books are interesting enough to merit long form reviews, and most people are awful at writing them. I come here because this isn't a MAL style fart sniffing convention with spergs going on at length about irrelevant details and then spoiling major plot lines because they can't figure out how to discuss a story in detail without doing that.

Just tell me when something about a story sticks in your craw and let me see how many people that resonates with. You don't even have to tell me the name of the book.

[Anonymous No.21763899]

>>21763703
>>21763709
im sorry living in this thread has given you irony poisoning, don't worry after a few months here on the four channel you'll get used to it

[Anonymous No.21763915]

>>21763899
Yes, Anon, taking notice that these threads are terrible at their sole purpose is somehow living in them. Instead of you know, stating the obvious that /sffg/ is dogshit.

[Anonymous No.21763918]

>>21763915
cry

[Anonymous No.21763924]

>>21763918
sneed

[Anonymous No.21764002]

>>21763834
So you want everyone talking in vague and brief terms without even being able to tell where it came from?

I read a book where the entire economy is based on hunting monsters.

[Anonymous No.21764007]

>>21760778
>>21760720
Hey, nice picture anon.

[Anonymous No.21764069]

>>21763568
Cradle's primary influence is Naruto, which is relatively old now. It's not even something Will Wight even tries to hide, he straight up doesn't even change names.
For example one of the primary groups of antagonists in Naruto is called Akatsuki. One of the primary groups of antagonists in Cradle is Redmoon hall. Red (Aka), Moon (Tsuki). Orthos is an expy of one of the konoha teachers, who is a giant red turtle. Lindon's pure madra path is based off the Hyuga clan martial arts (which are literally called the empty palm style).
Hell, Lindons entire power set is based off a throwaway villain who only showed up a couple of times in one particular arc of the series.

And me pointing this put isn't a criticism, because frankly, Wight is a much better writer than Kishimoto and he does a whole lot more with the ideas than Kishi ever did.

[Anonymous No.21764082]

>>21764069
Honestly, I just like that Lindon is actually just 'some guy'. Yeah, sheer chance basically gets him noticed by some big players and he goes up from there, but there's nothing inherently special about Lindon, which I like because you get a lot of stories like this where they bullshit some reason for the protagonist being special because clawing your way up from the bottom just can't be done unless you're a chosen one I guess.

[Anonymous No.21764089]

>>21764082
>just some guy
Who gets insanely superhumanly lucky constantly.
I'd prefer a chosen one, at least they have personality.

[Anonymous No.21764108]

>>21764089
I mean, Lindon does have personality. I more meant in comparison to Naruto, and similar styles of things where they bring up the value of determination and whatnot. Naruto doesn't EXACTLY have that, it's more... I dunno what its themes are, actually. But Cradle makes it clear that it's about somebody who can carve out their own path, and you don't need to do that alone. A lot of people try that, Lindon is just one of the few who succeeds, because it'd... It'd be a boring story if he just kind of failed and died.

[Anonymous No.21764128]

>>21764108
>it'd be boring if he died
It's be less boring if at any point it seemed possible for him to fail. Too many damn mentors, one after the other, in an endless conga line of handouts. Failure doesn't have to mean death and the end of the story, authors have to learn that one of these days...

I mean even Naruto had ramen and Sasuke to obsess over. Lindon's got... what exactly? His face has more personality than he does.

[Anonymous No.21764130]

>>21764089
Lindon's only real luck is Suriel taking a shine to him. Beyond that everything kind of comes from Eithan bending fate over a barrel.
For example the trancendent ruins rising just as he leaves sacred valley isn't luck, it's a direct consequence of the Sword Sage fucking about in the labrynth. Eithan being there also isn't luck, he'd gone there because he was trying to recruit Jai Long.
You could say this is semantics, but all of those things flow naturally from previously established actions. Lindon's only really egregious luck after his meeting with Suriel is running into Dross. Everything else is either the results of his own actions, or manufactured by Eithan.

[Anonymous No.21764137]

>>21764108
His personality is being a submissive bitch for 11 books now, which is appalling for the genre. I genuinely don't get how that reviewfag gives Cradle a 9 then reverts it to an 8, only because it'll have a poor ending. Read more, wew.

[Anonymous No.21764143]

>>21764002
Monster hunting is gay. Pass.

[Anonymous No.21764149]

>>21764128
Lindon has his propensity for underhanded tactics, willingness to basically cheat and steal to get ahead, general greed and ambition defining his character. He's not incredibly deep or anything, but he's well-realised.
>>21764137
He pretty much drops that as his default after about book 5 though? Like he's still generally nice, because why not be, but he stops being overbearingly apologetic because by that point he's actually capable of enduring whatever horseshit people throw his way.

[Anonymous No.21764151]

>>21764137
Lindon isn't submissive, he's just polite. I don't get why you're attempting to engage in a conversation about something you clearly don't like and aren't interested in?

[Anonymous No.21764156]

>>21764151
He DOES spend a good while being overly apologetic and submissive because that's what his life had been to that point, even if he hated it. It takes getting an ego-boost from killing a smug dragon lady to really make him realise he doesn't have to be like that anymore. He still says "apologies" a bit but that's mostly to friends, because he actually feels bad there if he's apologising. Or at least a few times he's even sarcastic with it.

[Anonymous No.21764157]

>>21764130
You just described luck. He had nothing to do with any of that shit. Just because it was justified by the story doesn't let him off. EVERYTHING in a book is deux ex machina, it's just a matter of presentation.
The worst part isn't that those opportunities exist, it's that they were thrust upon him by the story like he was dragged there against his will while unconscious.
He exists outside the setting, invalidating it in the process.
By that I mean examine the difference between him and Yerin, a more conventional character. She got everything from luck as well, but it wasn't all, or even mostly, good luck and took tremendous amounts of time and effort to even be salvaged let alone turned into something useful.
Though even she falls into the same complete lack of agency as all the other characters. Even Eithan and Suriel, who by all rights should be EXTREMELY proactive characters shaping the entire narrative, are almost entirely passive and spend most of their time hanging around waiting for various events to unfold so they can react to them after they happen.

[Anonymous No.21764171]

>>21764157
Eithan is literally almost always setting shit up and dealing with shit. Suriel is mostly reacting because that's sort of the point, she's restricted to only react because the Abidan can't really fight back because of how their whole deal is. She's the healer, she shows up when the damage has already been done.

[Anonymous No.21764172]

>>21764157
Your opinion is based entirely on you intentionally misinterpreting and misrepresenting large aspects of the story.

[Anonymous No.21764208]

>>21764172
No u. Lindon is just a human cauldron other people chuck pills and cultivation techniques into, he doesn't have a single blessed thought or ambition in his head.

[Anonymous No.21764230]

>>21763685
>GRRM and Bakker in one room talking about the history of the crusades
I'm sure they mentioned the Crusades happened as a reaction to centuries of Islamic aggression.... right?

[Anonymous No.21764245]

>>21764230
Hah good joke.

[Anonymous No.21764250]

>>21764128
i think the first book makes it pretty clear it's his journey to completing his goals. he has some close calls but that ending is always in the horizon. it never implies it's anything but. insomuch as the anime that inspired it are always "the quest for x!" and never anything but. you know they'll come out in the end, you read to see how they do it.

[Anonymous No.21764271]

Rate my shelf bros!

[Anonymous No.21764303]

>>21764271
You keep posting this. Get a life.

[Anonymous No.21764341]

DAMN, he's good.

[Anonymous No.21764343]

>>21763413
I like how you only describe the first few chapters in your summary because nothing happens.

[Anonymous No.21764359]

>>21764271
Looks like you treat books as objets d'art rather than as literature. Funny that Polyphemus is in the Polybius typeface though, I wonder if that edition was part of the origin story.

[Anonymous No.21764360]

>>21763413
>academy portion
instant 0/10

[Anonymous No.21764373]

>>21764359
>Raisin due to eat.
>Cave eat emperor.

[Anonymous No.21764382]

>>21762013
>i read cradle
That was your first mistake right there.

[Anonymous No.21764401]

>>21760786
>>new inheritance book
will be pozzed
>>new percy jackson book
will be pozzed
>>new inkheart book
will be pozzed

[Anonymous No.21764421]

>>21760786
Isn’t Percy Jackson full of tranny and queer abominations now?

[Anonymous No.21764653]

>>21764421
yeah, it's actually funny how the author made a 720 turn on a whole bunch of things

[Anonymous No.21764743]

New thread
>>21764730

[Anonymous No.21764761]

>>21764743
Not even ten minutes in and the new thread is already became dogshit. Faggots here really are predisposed in ruining the threads.

[Anonymous No.21764889]

>>21764761
cry

[Anonymous No.21764918]

>>21764761
They’re just repeating the same shit from here to the new thread

[Anonymous No.21765024]

>>21762267
bakker left his dildo in too long and developed toxic shock syndrome

in actuality, he got addicted to painkillers and was running low on cash so he astroturfed a fanbase to try getting his publisher to agree to pay him in full for a 4th book + a separate encyclopedia. publisher laughed it off, turns out his "quite large fandom" was the same weirdos over at the 3 seas forum + some actual schizo who started spamming untrue spoilers and pretended to be a reviewer for the entire TAE series.

finally, bakker failed to stick the landing, just like he's done with everything else in his work. interesting ideas that fall flat because he has no real conception of how to structure a narrative. he's much more interested in running around scraeming "cRaSh SpAcE oF mEaNiNg!!1!" and writing completely bonkers screeds about Trump, than he is in fleshing out his works beyond regurgitated Heidegger. We could have had soo much more, especially with things like the judging eye or the chapters about ishterebinth, but instead bakker was content to write another 40 pages about peachy prostitutes and the scent of honey and unwashed anuses engaging in the most disgusting gay-rape-cannibal-holocaust this side of a robert mapplethorpe fantasy

[Anonymous No.21765204]

>>21761797
>impossible to read if you’ve graduated high school and possess male genitalia

I reread the first Percy Jackson book as an adult…

>when I last read it it was called Harry Potter

Aside from the introductory structure being the same, there very different anon…

[Anonymous No.21765223]

>>21764421
Your thinking of Trials of Apollo

[Anonymous No.21765390]

>>21765024
Interesting. I always thought he had Giger's Space Jockey horseshoe ship in mind when designing those horns. Not only that but also tekne = bioweapons.