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>Won the argument
>World is plunged into a perpetual state of chaos ever since their worldview took the main stage
Books on this phenomenon?

>> No.21735150
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21735150

>>21735143
Embarrassed Harris and Hitchens so thoroughly that Dawkins had to make stupid excuses not to debate him.

>> No.21735153

>>21735143
atheism have been integrated by the West so much that we do not need figures to represent us. Crazy how much times have changed

>> No.21735158

>>21735143
who are these kikes?

>> No.21735171

>>21735143
Islam has only grown stronger as a result of this

>> No.21735220

>>21735158
let's be accurate, it's two kikes and two anglos

>> No.21735228

>>21735150
What are you talking about?

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>>21735143
>atheism
>main stage

>> No.21736513

>>21735150
Who?

>> No.21736522

>>21735143
>>Won the argument
>>World is plunged into a perpetual state of chaos ever since their worldview took the main stage
>Books on this phenomenon?
ACTS

>> No.21736526

You're drastically over emphasising their significance

>> No.21736673

>>21735143
>couldn't win against arguments made centuries ago
>ignored them because 'they are outdated'

>> No.21736705

>>21735150
Who?

>> No.21736961 [DELETED] 

>>21735228
>>21736513
>>21736705
David Lane Craig

>> No.21736974

>>21735150
Only to get wrecked by Sean Carroll

>> No.21736984

>>21735143
Reading The Moral Landscape gave me every assurance I needed to disregard anything Sam Harris says. That people continue to group him with the other three in this way make me very weary about them.

>> No.21736985

>>21735143
sam harris is the only lasting philosopher on that list

>> No.21737016

>>21735143
>Won

>> No.21737163

>objective or universal morality doesn't exist!
>AHA you just made a universal claim!
>okay prove your God faggot
>B-B-BUH MUH LEAP OF FAITH!

Who fucking cares just jack off until you're dead

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>>21735143
>Won the argument
No they didn't. And dawkins and hitchens all conceded as much with regard to the kaalam cosmological argument, but they put a coping caveat which stated that though a necessary being which possessed some of the attributes commonly ascribed to god must exist, these attributes don't include all of the attributes of the specific christian god. Dennett on the other hand admitted the premises and conclusions were valid, but then made the illogical statement that the universe caused itself, which WLC rightly points out would mean that the universe would have to exist before it's own beginning to do this. vid here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UwvXBadRbw
And all of there arguments about free will are based on faulty understanding about causation in the universe and also all presuppose a physicalist theory of mind, which has been falsified by things like the neural binding problem(s).

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>>21735143
>>Won the argument
They did not and have not. Plus, none of them account for NDEs in a way that even hints that they have even read the literature on NDEs (and Dennett has even said that it would be ridiculous to do so, he is that certain of his materialism).

But NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die.

Here is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:

https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o

It emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

>"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, "An afterlife definitely exists"."

Since NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.

Or as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:

>"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved."

Needless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs.

>Books on this phenomenon?
I could be wrong, but I think that books whose premise is a dystopian/post-apocalyptic-ish world who followed by the realization that atheism was the most reasonable position, and especially the brand of atheism promoted by four philosophical mid-wits, are rare. On the plus side, there is a book or series waiting to be written! ;)

>> No.21737521

>>21735143
>The Ant Miracle
>Signature in the Cell
>Return of the God Hypothesis
Three books that will enlighten you about how atheism is for fags.

>> No.21738082

I've seen the face of the bottom left guy before but have no idea who he is. I feel like he was just added so redditors could say that the other three were part of the four horsemen

>> No.21738227

>>21735143
You’re not very observant.

>> No.21738260

>>21738082
bottom right*

>> No.21738594

>>21737505
let this pasta die, this is getting sad

>> No.21738599

>>21735150
Wasn't this guy shown to be a straight up con man in the end?

>> No.21738607

>>21736985
Dawkins made real, tangible contributions to both science and philosophy. But he made all the insecure theists clutch their pearls so he doesn't get the recognition he deserves.