Shelf thread

[Anonymous No.21734311]

Post shelves

[Anonymous No.21734362]

very basic

[Anonymous No.21734390]

>>21734311
That's too many penguins for any healthy adult to own.

[Anonymous No.21734420]

>>21734390
>too many penguins
eat shit

[Anonymous No.21734440]

and here's my main, non-penguin shelf

[Anonymous No.21734444]

>>21734440
>that alignment
fuck.

[Anonymous No.21734456]

>>21734440
Ruined

[Anonymous No.21734544]

>>21734390
>too many penguins
No such thing, anon

[Anonymous No.21735426]

>>21734440
>TS Elliot

[Anonymous No.21735442]

I don’t feel like posting it all but here’s my Lawrence, Miller, transcendentalist section

[Anonymous No.21735474]

>>21735442
It looks like that was homemade, oak, with two 5/8 roundovers on the top. Nice heirloom shelf.

Here's the office shelf

[Anonymous No.21735532]

>>21735474
This one should better appear.

[Anonymous No.21735570]

>>21735442
i think we would be good friends, love emmerson
also your book ends are neat

[Anonymous No.21735603]

>>21734420
One penguin is too many penguins.

[Anonymous No.21736266]

>>21735532

[Anonymous No.21736271]

>>21735603
Nah

[Anonymous No.21736691]

>>21734311
Do people even read the books in their shelfs?

[Anonymous No.21736726]

>>21736691
Nah, about 80% of all books on shelves are unread. People use it as a conversation started either IRL, or on websites like this. They use it to virtue signal how "smart" they are, not seeing that filling their shelves with mostly random classic, with no overarching theme as to why, makes them pretentious at best. Or they're just addicted to dopamine kick when they buy books, like a woman filling up her closet with clothes she will never wear.

[Anonymous No.21736764]

>>21736691
About 1/3rd of my books are unread. I've decided just not to buy anymore books until I've finished all of them since even with my meagre spending I still get more than I can read. It's not a very good habit to buy so much.

[Anonymous No.21736901]

>>21735603
>caring over aesthetics over content
very girly behavior

[Anonymous No.21736913]

>>21736691
No generally my shelves are for storage
I read the books that I keep in my bedroom on a pile, sometimes I buy new (used) books which go straight to the pile or I look at my bookshelves and decide to take a book to my bedroom to put on the pile
>>21736726
It’s more like 95% for me
Yes I enjoy accumulating books

[Anonymous No.21737251]

I have a Kindle

[Anonymous No.21737526]

I've read more than half, but many are reference books.

[Anonymous No.21737689]

>>21734311
And how many of those have you actually read?

[Anonymous No.21738099]

>>21737689
Most, there aren't actually many books there to read

[Anonymous No.21738104]

>>21736691
I just use them to show off

[Anonymous No.21738124]

[Anonymous No.21738125]

>>21737689
Why are you insecure, poorfag?

[Anonymous No.21738127]

>>21738099
Can you quantify most? 95%? 75%? 51%?

[Anonymous No.21738133]

>>21737526
Did you enjoy Malthus?

[Anonymous No.21738138]

>>21738125
I seem to have rustled some jimmies. My work here is done.

[Anonymous No.21738149]

>>21738127
I haven't gotten around to reading Larousse's World Mythology, Oxford's philosophy book or the two books on China in bottom right
>>21738138
faggot

[Anonymous No.21738155]

>>21738149
I’m the same guy, but good on you for actually reading. Your jimmies appear somewhat disordered as well. It’s ok little guy.

[Anonymous No.21738499]

[Anonymous No.21738504]

>>21736726
>projection
>cannot conceptualize a family library
Let met help you modernize your nonsense for you.
>BRO ITS LITERALLY JUST FUNKO POPS FOR IMREALLYSMART PEOPLE!

[Anonymous No.21738508]

Can anyone post a solid Children's shelf? I'm looking at buying my nazi sister a bunch of nice books for her kids.

[Anonymous No.21738516]

>>21738499
Incel-tier. If a woman ever saw your shelf, she would freak out and think you're some incel terrorist.

[Anonymous No.21738521]

>>21738516
But my kids and wife love me, anon. Try again.

[Anonymous No.21738532]

>>21738521
You expect me to buy that? Believe what you want, chud.

[Anonymous No.21738537]

>>21738532
>I-I-I-I DON'T BELIEVE YOU, C-CHUD!
That's fine. You don't need to, because I know it is true. Just like how my wife has a nearly complete collection of Goosebumps books.

[Anonymous No.21738541]

[Anonymous No.21738620]

>>21738541
What are the IQ scores? The first shelf has about 11 books, the second one has 67, I'm guessing the third one has 510 books, so the x-axis is warped. What are the IQs of people who own that many books? I want to count my books and find a score. I'm guessing mine is around 28 and the score will be about 89 IQ +/- some.

[Anonymous No.21738628]

>>21736691
I buy my books used, so I have to buy what I can when it shows up. I have no plans to read the entire collected works of Charles Dickens anytime soon, but I saw it at a flea market for a good price, so there it is on my shelf.

If I was buying everything brand new, I would only buy one book at a time and only when I planned to read it, and I wouldn't see the need to buy a new one until I'm finished with it. In that case my bookshelf would be much smaller, but everything on there would be read.

[Anonymous No.21738670]

>>21736691
I listen to the audiobook then buy the book for my shelf.
Or I'll read one copy and give it to someone who might like it and buy a better copy for my library.
Some are my waifus.

[Anonymous No.21738791]

>>21738670
>Ulysses
>The Bell Curve
>Tucker Carlson
Certified midwit

[Anonymous No.21738819]

>>21734456
that's a great book though

[Anonymous No.21738831]

>>21738791
Sorry your dad was nice to you, really turned you into a faggot.
Tucks book is good, just a 3h long opening monologue, he's a good writer.

[Anonymous No.21738843]

>>21735532
>taking the dustjackets off of Everyman's
10/10 and how they were meant to be displayed, based.

[Anonymous No.21738863]

>>21738670
>I hid my Jordan Peterson books before taking the picture/10

[Anonymous No.21738882]

>>21738863
You guys are obsessed with Juden Peterberg to the point where I think you're all the guys keeping him relevant.

[Anonymous No.21738900]

>>21736691
Why wouldn’t they?

[Anonymous No.21738903]

everything I've read since 2016

[Anonymous No.21738932]

>>21738863
>Books
I only have MoM, you can see it right there openly.

[Anonymous No.21739248]

bump

[Anonymous No.21739709]

>>21738903
I ain't used to shelves here having contemporary stuff
Not mocking you, just noting how rare it seems

[Anonymous No.21739785]

>>21738124
MY SECRET LIFE :-()

[Anonymous No.21739850]

>>21734311

[Anonymous No.21739863]

>>21738843
Thanks, I like most of them, and the low price considering the high quality, but some have disappointed me. I like the Peter gay introduced Voltaire from modern Library a bit better, for instance

>>21738133
Yes, he's like Gibbon, a misunderstood, misquoted, and malappropriated founder of an important field. Malthus wasn't entirely wrong, and writes with more subtle arguments than postmoderns suggest. He wants the best for poor people in the country.

[Anonymous No.21739931]

>>21739850
Anon, is everything okay with you?

[Anonymous No.21739996]

>>21738791
What’s wrong with Ulysses, nigger?

[Anonymous No.21740007]

>>21738670
>Gnomes
>The Red Book (illustrated edition)
Holy chad
I kneel

[Anonymous No.21740202]

>>21739996
It's pseud bait

[Anonymous No.21740219]

>>21738903
A lot of junk in there

[Anonymous No.21740237]

>>21738499
Based meme buyer

[Anonymous No.21740252]

>>21740202
Only it’s by itself. That shelf has Dubliners and Portrait as well. There is a clear interest in Joyce, not to just in appearing le well read.

[Anonymous No.21740266]

Russian shelves

[Anonymous No.21740445]

>>21739850
Yo, brazilanon, I remember you, glad to see the shelf hasn't fallen and killed you yet

[Anonymous No.21740539]

>>21734362
Yes, and?

[Anonymous No.21740559]

>>21738516
>person reads a single book I dislike
>"it's LE incel terrorist!"

[Anonymous No.21740685]

>>21734311
What's that gobbledygook in the ash tray at the bottom?

[Anonymous No.21740688]

>>21734311
I see you have pic rel on your bottom shelf. Is it any good?

[Anonymous No.21740693]

>>21734390
What's wrong with penguin? Why so many snobs on this board?

[Anonymous No.21740719]

>>21740685
Spare inserts for the shelves
>>21740688
It's decent, but didn't get deeply enough into imperial history for my liking

[Anonymous No.21740748]

>>21736266
Nice leather book fren

[Anonymous No.21740855]

>>21736691
I used to work for a used book seller and he had this friend who owned a business where literally all he did was pick through the stuff we threw out looking for big leather bound books, which he would use to decorate the offices and waiting rooms of lawyers and psychologists etc.

They didn't read the books and most of them were old encyclopedias and dictionaries and shit, anything that was big and looked good on a shelf.

[Anonymous No.21740883]

>>21740266
Z

[Anonymous No.21740959]

>>21734311
I like your little pewter/ metal vessels and doodads

[Anonymous No.21741413]

>>21736691
>>21736726
Why are you insecure?

[Anonymous No.21741526]

[Anonymous No.21741554]

>>21740266
Impressive. I ordered a copy of War and Peace recently. Will begin reading it soon.

[Anonymous No.21741604]

>>21736901
He doesn't know...

[Anonymous No.21741776]

>>21741604

[Anonymous No.21741817]

My "shelf" is mainly graphic novels and art books. I stack novels because I am not a pine loving heathen.

[Anonymous No.21742000]

I think the growth of my SFF collection has stabilized. I almost only buy from my local charity shop that sells books 2 dollars or less no matter what they are.

[Anonymous No.21742003]

>>21742000

[Anonymous No.21742012]

>>21742003

[Anonymous No.21742015]

>>21742012

[Anonymous No.21743230]

>>21740748
Thanks, those are an eighteenth century anatomy of melancholy, nonesuch Montaigne, and nonesuch quixote next to a nonesuch dickens

[Anonymous No.21743363]

>>21734311
top shelf: reddit soi
mid shelf: cringe weeb
bottom shelf: seething incel

[Anonymous No.21743762]

>>21738499
Oh, hi Keith Woods

[Anonymous No.21743848]

1/3

[Anonymous No.21743855]

>>21743848

[Anonymous No.21743859]

>>21743855
3/3 went to a book sale, just need a place to put them...

[Anonymous No.21743905]

>>21736691
I only have one shelf of unread. I've gotten rid of ones I've read I'll never go back to, gave away unread that were sitting around awhile. If I pick up books at garage or estate sales, if they sit on the unread stack too long I get rid of them. The rest are mostly books I really enjoyed, that I'll go back to, or will lend a friend. I also hold books for close friends who move a lot and books from my childhood. It's nice seeing the journey in front of you. I like picking up a book I read twenty years ago as it takes me right back. Kindles and the like are soulless. I loved used books because I can connect with a ghost. There's something truly special about it and essential to the human experience.

[Anonymous No.21743931]

>>21740266
I read Notes from Underground as my first dive into Russian lit. I liked it but the author seems like a maniac and I don't know if I could read an entire book of it's like that. What would be a good one to start with? I heard Demons is good.

[Anonymous No.21744033]

>>21743230
Nice, I got that PK Dick book a few weeks back, gonna start Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch

[Anonymous No.21744044]

>>21734420
Is that book on De Daulle any good? The man always interested me but never read a piece on his life.

[Anonymous No.21744109]

>>21743762
Oh, the eceleb. Nope.

[Anonymous No.21744117]

[Anonymous No.21744146]

>>21744044
*de Gaulle

[Anonymous No.21744163]

>>21744117
What are the Everymans? Woolf, Corncob and what else? Captcha: G0YAD

[Anonymous No.21744218]

>>21744033
It's a good one, I'm making room on a different shelf, just added vasari

[Anonymous No.21744233]

>>21744218
I see you have two Gargantua and Pantagruel editions + Rabelais & His World. Which translation would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.21744598]

>>21744233
They both have value for modern reader, but the leclerq has a more solid grounding in the present and seems easier for the modern reader. The Urquhart and motteaux is a bit more contemporary.

[Anonymous No.21744648]

>>21743931
As far as an intro goes I would say Crime and Punishment is a more engaging book. Demons has a lot of external historical context that translators generally do a good job of covering in their notes, but as an intro I don't think it would be good. Also 90% of people are filtered by the first 100 pages, people either find it really funny or painfully boring. Personally I really love short stories from the likes of Chekhov, Gogol, Turgenev, Andreyev, etc so those can be a fun entry point too.

[Anonymous No.21744728]

>>21742000
This """Man""" reads The Handmaid's Tale

[Anonymous No.21744742]

>>21744728
>women are constantly saying "THIS IS JUST LIKE HANDMAID'S TALE"
>Wanna know WTF they mean
>Read it
>Oh, they want to be raped and enslavaed
>Their "complaining about it" is actually just their idea of foreplay
Not gonna lie, anon. I'm not even the guy you are mocking, but I just assumed it was Christian mein kampf until I read this.

[Anonymous No.21744972]

>>21738903
Do you just avoid books over 500 pages?

[Anonymous No.21745257]

>>21740266
Pretty nice things here, I like the eclectic selection

[Anonymous No.21745262]

>>21734390
I showed you my penguin please respond

[Anonymous No.21745263]

>>21744117
It's okay to remove the dust jacket

[Anonymous No.21745283]

>>21744972
no? there are books over 500 pages there

[Anonymous No.21745329]

>>21745262
lmaod'ed

[Anonymous No.21745567]

>have read 95% of the books i own
>never talk about books irl to avoid comming off as a pretensius asshole
>read summaries from popular shows and sports results on my communte to work to have something to talk about in the office

[Anonymous No.21745583]

>>21745567
>wasting your time with popculture trash
>robbing yourself of the opportunity to explain what the book is about at a high level to an unfamiliar audience, therefore ensuring you get the most out of it
ngmi

[Anonymous No.21745719]

>>21736764
Some pop-history trash, but pretty good otherwise.

[Anonymous No.21745778]

>>21744598
How many times i've seen that house holy shit

[Anonymous No.21746800]

Bookself

[Anonymous No.21746810]

>>21746800
Trippy set up. What books are those red Everymans?

[Anonymous No.21746904]

>>21745583
This

[Anonymous No.21746952]

>>21744218
Ugly leather books, fren.

[Anonymous No.21747883]

>>21739850
Still remember the your original post anon, you've made /lit/ history
blessings from Poland

[Anonymous No.21747894]

>>21738541
High iq people go to the sources. Books are usually secondary or tertiary sources. But there is truth to your meme; dummies accumulate a massive amount of books:
>in a vain attempt at appearing as an intellectual
>due to not knowing how to properly vent a book

[Anonymous No.21747901]

>>21738541
poorfag cope

[Anonymous No.21747905]

>>21747894
> High iq people go to the sources. Books are usually secondary or tertiary sources
?
Depends on the field of study.

[Anonymous No.21747925]

Proud of my chud shelf

[Anonymous No.21747942]

>>21747925
What a waste of paper (and money).

[Anonymous No.21747970]

>>21739850
what are the red books brazilanon?

[Anonymous No.21747973]

>>21738541
>some anons only read because of IQ

[Anonymous No.21748128]

>>21747970
It is this collection: https://www.posfacio.com.br/2010/11/04/colecao-imortais-da-literatura-universal-abril-cultural/

[Anonymous No.21748138]

>>21747883
Thanks, God bless you in the upcoming World War.

[Anonymous No.21748166]

>>21739850
>the book hoard of damocles

[Anonymous No.21748965]

>>21736691
>>21736726
>>21736764
Thank goodness I am not alone. Kek. I thought I was the only one.

[Anonymous No.21749005]

One of my piles

[Anonymous No.21749067]

>>21746800
Khoob Bhalo.
Good on you for not hiding the chetan bhagat book before taking a pic btw, you live in Calcutta?

[Anonymous No.21749140]

>>21747925
which is the one you would most recommend from there?

[Anonymous No.21749165]

I like to stack unread books on top of my shelf and move them onto my shelf once they are read. I only got back into reading again 18 months ago so my shelf has about 40 books on it and 6 or 7 on top. Feels good to put one on the shelf when you finish.

[Anonymous No.21749212]

>>21745583
Any time I've mention literature 99% of normies instantly get that "oh, you're bragging about being smart" attitude (likely due to their own insecurities). Also, usually the only time I mention it is when it is brought up by others (if someone mentions the yearly book fair in town and I get asked what I bought).

[Anonymous No.21749436]

>>21734544
when I see libraries like this I intuitively understand what is meant by "too much of a good thing"

[Anonymous No.21749451]

>>21748166
based pile-poster

[Anonymous No.21749525]

1/4

[Anonymous No.21749526]

>>21749525
2/4

[Anonymous No.21749531]

>>21749526
:D

[Anonymous No.21749533]

>>21749531
3/4

[Anonymous No.21749535]

>>21749533
4/4

[Anonymous No.21749578]

>>21734311

[Anonymous No.21749640]

>>21749531
That feynman lectures bookset is beautiful, here in asia they probably cost an arm and a leg however

[Anonymous No.21749741]

>>21734544
The set for a recent U.K production of 'Educating Rita' consisted of shelves which looked just like this.

[Anonymous No.21749747]

Physical books are for posers at this point, redditors with typewriters and fountain pens and record players.

[Anonymous No.21749916]

>>21746810

[Anonymous No.21749923]

>>21749916
Ah, it’s the Raj quartet. Have you read it already?

[Anonymous No.21749932]

>>21749067
Thank you! Why should I! I read almost everything. Yes from Kolkata

[Anonymous No.21749945]

>>21749747
Bizarre cope

[Anonymous No.21749961]

>>21749923
Not yet. Planning to read it along with a good history of the British colonial history. Jan Morris triology maybe.

[Anonymous No.21749978]

Only my stack for now, some of which are revisions (guess if you feel like it).

[Anonymous No.21749986]

>>21749978
Oh boy, I have that same edition of Arthurian Romances coming in the mail. Have you read it?

[Anonymous No.21749991]

I stacked some shit for a gag but it is a half decent entry level reading list.

>>21749978
You want Discoverie of Witchcraft. Great counter to the Hammer in both center and context.

[Anonymous No.21749994]

Arden Shakespeare (incomplete set)

[Anonymous No.21750056]

>>21749986
It's like most Penguin translations, it's not totally botched but not all that great either. The main reason I have it is because it contains four stories apart from Perceval (Ivain, Lancelot, Cligès, Erec and Enide). If you're only interested in de Troyes's Perceval there is already a better translation available which tries to maintain the poetic style. The Penguin is all prose, but it still communicates itself (there is obviously more than just the style). Lancelot is easily the most interesting story apart from Perceval from a purely thematic point of view. Cligès I found oddly erotic, even though it had no directly obvious sexual content. It alternates between the male and female perspective in a way that's amusing, to say the least.

[Anonymous No.21750088]

>>21750056
> If you're only interested in de Troyes's Perceval there is already a better translation available which tries to maintain the poetic style
Are you referring to the translation by Burton Raffel (pbuh) that is published by Yale University Press? Because that one is indeed pretty well done (from what I could read in previews), except that every romance is sold separately and they are not that cheap (I’m a poorfag). I’ll definitely be getting them because his Beowulf is my favorite version. Anyway, thanks for replying, looking forward to the Penguin edition in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.21750174]

>>21749140
Democracy by Hoppe, Socialism by Mises, and Principles of Economics by Menger

[Anonymous No.21750476]

>>21749991
What are the core themes of Kipper Snacks?

[Anonymous No.21750527]

>>21740266
its going to take you probably several hundred hours to read all of those books (if reading carefully). i mean if you're going to spend that much time delving into russian literature then why not just learn russian?

[Anonymous No.21750534]

>>21750527
Holy shit. I was just thinking about that post the other week but I couldn’t find it in the archives. Thanks for sharing.

[Anonymous No.21750535]

>>21734311
>Tao Te Ching
mah nigga

[Anonymous No.21750568]

>>21747925
Based and austrianpilled

[Anonymous No.21751132]

>>21750527

I've already read most of the books there. When things in the world are slightly more normal I would like to visit and by then I hope to have learned a basic level of Russian. As far as mastering the language or learning enough to read the greats, I'm not sure I'll do this in my lifetime.

[Anonymous No.21751363]

[Anonymous No.21751460]

>>21737251
I wish we could buy a hologram shelf where we could display our digital books as part of our house decoration

[Anonymous No.21751552]

1/5

[Anonymous No.21751569]

>>21751552
I, too, contemplates suicide after reading Riders

[Anonymous No.21751573]

>>21749994
>Arden Shakespeare (incomplete set)

Folgers (complete set)

[Anonymous No.21751961]

>>21744117
What did you think of Novel Explosives by Jim Gauer? Personally, I thought it was the best novel of 2016.

[Anonymous No.21751969]

>>21751552
this nigga shelving beans

[Anonymous No.21751972]

>>21751573
>rainbow
Faggot

[Anonymous No.21752050]

>>21735532
Based Everyman's library enjoyer.

[Anonymous No.21752053]

>>21747883
link?

[Anonymous No.21752440]

>>21738138
Kek

[Anonymous No.21752447]

I have 2 copies of 12 rules for life by Peterstein and I've read neither.
>>21734311

[Anonymous No.21752463]

>>21752050
They're pretty good, but the translations of Russian lit disappointed me a bit. I prefer the Constance Garnett, based on the comparison between the house of the dead editions and the Gogol. The Lermontov by Nabokov is great and I'd recommend it.

[Anonymous No.21752491]

>>21736266
Based Huizinga respecter

[Anonymous No.21752494]

>>21736266
Those Van Gogh letters are worth money. I’ll probably end up getting that set someday as it is probably my favorite book

[Anonymous No.21752627]

>>21734440
>>21735474
>>21744218
>>21749916
>I love dust saturated boards so much bros

>>21744117
>that's a lot of mylar

[Anonymous No.21752634]

>>21752463
It’s a well known /lit/ fact that you should avoid P&V translations and Everymans Library publishes those.

[Anonymous No.21752643]

>>21734440
BRITBONG GRADUATE STUDENT DETECTED BRITBONG GRADUATE STUDENT DETECTED BRITBONG GRADUATE STUDENT DETECTED

[Anonymous No.21752686]

Just got this shelf, most of the books were on my table before

[Anonymous No.21752694]

>>21735426
Yes

[Anonymous No.21752701]

/int/chud checking in

[Anonymous No.21752731]

>>21740266
i want to rape your shelf. have a good night my brother.

[Anonymous No.21752748]

>>21736691
i exclusively shelf books i have read with very few exceptions

[Anonymous No.21752758]

>>21752701
So, how is your koine greek proceeding?

[Anonymous No.21752830]

>>21749932
Just a joke. He has become quite unpopular and embarrassing nowadays (among my friends at least) i did enjoy reading his entire bibliography in college. Anyway cheers, Happy holi

[Anonymous No.21752868]

>>21737251
Low t

[Anonymous No.21752872]

>>21751972
>he hates rainbows
You are supposed to hate Internet losers who stole rainbows. Lurk moar.

[Anonymous No.21752924]

>>21752758
Haven't started yet, learned French and focusing right now on German

[Anonymous No.21752933]

>>21734440
>an actual penguin
lmao

[Anonymous No.21753002]

[Anonymous No.21753013]

>reading physical books in 2023

>>21737251
>>21741526
>>21749578
>>21753002
based

[Anonymous No.21753459]

>>21753013
>eating the bugs and gloating about it too on your peruvian human sacrifice forum

[Anonymous No.21753553]

>>21748166
heh

[Anonymous No.21754327]

>>21753002
You'll get there. BTW I have about 5 full 5-tier bookshelves and books stacks all over the floor.

[Anonymous No.21754346]

>>21750534
no problem fren

[Anonymous No.21754599]

>>21753013
>You will OWN NOTHING and you will BE HAPPY
If you 'read a book' from a digital screen, then you didn't really read it.

[Anonymous No.21754978]

>>21753013
>leaving your library's existence up to the whims of amazon, who can pull content that you "bought" from your library and the store with no refunds and no justification

[Anonymous No.21755064]

>>21751972
>Faggot

LOL. I'm already reading Shakespeare, which technically makes me a massive flaming poofter.

Side note: is reading Shakespeare a closeted gay thing? I've already been hit on by one older gentleman who was very excited to see my interest in the bard, he gave me his number so we could "chat".

[Anonymous No.21756459]

>>21755064
Gays can't read

[Anonymous No.21756506]

Cleaning up my stacks too

[Anonymous No.21756521]

>>21754599
Kys redditor. Your entire wealth is a number on a screen btw.
>>21754978
my pdf collection which is backed up in 3 places and can be printed out at any library when i need it doesn't have this problem