/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21731926]

What is the highest art form? What criteria do we use to determine that?

[Anonymous No.21731945]

>>21731926
is that supposed to be architecture in F tier

[Anonymous No.21731953]

>>21731926

[Anonymous No.21731955]

>>21731953

[Anonymous No.21731976]

Painting is obviously the highest art form. Picture related, it's Mark Zuckerberg painted with faeces.

[Anonymous No.21731979]

>>21731953
lol

[Anonymous No.21731980]

>>21731945
Oh that's what it is. I wasn't sure what the masonic square and compass was implying. I would rank architecture somewhere between S and A. Great architecture is of course utterly magnificent to behold but I tend to think of the best art being the work of a singular author rather than a collaborative effort.

[Anonymous No.21731981]

>>21731953
who can even tell any of these people apart.

[Anonymous No.21731982]

>>21731926
it's literature for sure

[Anonymous No.21732001]

>>21731980
it's a tragedy how many expo buildings got demo'd

[Anonymous No.21732013]

>>21731981
I'm was in the top 1% of Twice listeners in 2020

[Anonymous No.21732016]

>>21731976
I don't know why I laughed so hard at this post. It's just the most classically 4chan thing I've seen in a while. Brilliant.

[Anonymous No.21732032]

Without a doubt Music is the highest. It's within reach of every emotion without being tied to something as inflexible as language.

It's the most transcendent form.

[Anonymous No.21732033]

video games (obviously) I don't have to explain why (because it obvious) so tell me why you think I'm wrong

[Anonymous No.21732042]

>>21732013
when i first heard about k-pop and j-pop "storming the nation" i thought it would be a quick fad that died out really fast, and that only weebs would listen to it.
I was 100% right.

[Anonymous No.21732043]

I love sculptures as much as the next guy, but films should be higher than it. Films can express more artistic abilities and storytelling while also having the benefit of being the second best collaborative art form. Also, music is 100% S tier. It's arguably the greatest art form humanity has. Anyone who doesn't put in the top 3 art forms is a pretenious loser

[Anonymous No.21732044]

>>21731926
put video games in F tier or lower

[Anonymous No.21732061]

>>21731953
How do Japanese people know someone is more good looking then another among 2 good looking people? They look the same. Do they start autistically breaking down their faces?

[Anonymous No.21732064]

>>21731976
It doesn’t look like poop. Also he looks human in this painting

[Anonymous No.21732069]

>>21731926
>>21732043
He’s right. Music makes anyone feel something

[Anonymous No.21732072]

>>21731926
>What is the highest art form?
Warfare

[Anonymous No.21732086]

>>21732061
only 3 of them are japanese. Momo, Sana, and Mina.

[Anonymous No.21732234]

>>21731953
Tzuyu should be at the top.

[Anonymous No.21732240]

>What is the best flavor? What criteria do we use to determine that?
lrn2subjectivity

[Anonymous No.21732241]

>>21732234
She's Chinese...

[Anonymous No.21732245]

>>21731926
hentai

[Anonymous No.21732251]

>>21731926
Tier S: Literature (includes written plays)
Tier A: Painting
Tier B: Sculpture
Tier C: Film, music and games
Tier D: Theater (performed) and comics

They're all good though.

[Anonymous No.21732257]

JAV is the highest art form

[Anonymous No.21732276]

>>21732257
>watching porn
kys

[Anonymous No.21732280]

>>21732276
JAV is beyond mere porn amerimaricon

[Anonymous No.21732493]

>>21731926
I'd put music and architecture in S tier.
I think the fact that they can convey emotions rather subtly, yet serve a purpose. And often not need a written or spoken language to be understood to experience it, makes it's appeal more universal.

Only one I think is objectively weak is photography, since it is really a capture of what exists rather than creating it.

That said, the quality of art depends far more on the artist than the art form.

[Anonymous No.21732505]

>>21732276
based

[Anonymous No.21732525]

>>21731926
I'm going to make a flow chart of sorts for everyone

The written word is included in video games
Drawings are included in video games
Theatrical performances and acting is included in video games
Music and soundtracks are included in video games
Pictures are included in video games
Architecture is included in video games (Level design, models)

Movies & TV shows have all of these things but cannot be interacted with

Video games have all of this things and can be interacted with

Video games are interactive movies with all forms of media included in them

Video games are the highest form of art

Boom, and yes there are bad and good video games, but the best video games out there beat all other forms of art because they simply include all forms of art in them. They are in fact, the deepest simulation of life.

[Anonymous No.21732563]

>>21732064
That's because even a painting made of feces has more soul than Zuckerberg

[Anonymous No.21732634]

Video games and literature in top tier because those require user interaction to keep the story moving forward
Everything else is bottom to mid tier because all you're doing is sitting on your little cuck chair staring like a beta as the action unfolds before you

[Anonymous No.21732669]

>>21731926
>writing and painting are S tier
>put them together to get comics
>suddenly F tier
How?

[Anonymous No.21732675]

>>21732032
Music is the most boring art form with the fewest possibilities for creative expression.
How do you think people would feel about painting if ALL painting was abstract painting? It would suck, right? That’s exactly the situation that music is in. ALL music is abstract because it has no capacity to represent.
People rightly shit on abstract art in other media but for some reason they give music a pass.

[Anonymous No.21732681]

>>21731926
>What is the highest art form? What criteria do we use to determine that?

The criteria for determining art is transmissibility, durability and relatability.

Music from thousands of years ago is barely heard and barely listened to. Musical instruments from thousands of years ago are rarely reconstructed or played or studied. So music doesn't go in S tier.

This is the comprehensive art tier ranking:

S tier- literature (including plays), architecture and sculpture
A tier- classical music (all traditions, not exclusively western) and calligraphy
B tier- textiles, painting, comics and interior decorating
C tier- film, folk music, verbal jokes
F tier- pop music, stand up comedy, animated cartoons

Games, including video games, are toys and not art.

[Anonymous No.21732711]

>>21731926
The only thing wrong with this image is that POW needs to be in S tier.

[Anonymous No.21732712]

>>21732681
>Games, including video games, are toys and not art.
This man speaks according to the objective truth.

[Anonymous No.21733359]

Being a writer director is possibly the most cognitively demanding/well rounded art. But these are usually only the top filmmakers.

[Anonymous No.21733362]

>>21732681
>Games, including video games, are toys and not art.
by this logic shakespeare is a toy and public theatre is not art

[Anonymous No.21733370]

>>21731926
I don’t consider games to be art.

[Anonymous No.21733377]

>>21732525
They don’t include them all in a way that can be properly appreciated. They include them in the same way an amusement park ride includes them.

[Anonymous No.21733381]

>>21733362
?

[Anonymous No.21733390]

>>21731926
>What is the highest art form?
cinema

[Anonymous No.21733407]

nature is the highest form of art

[Anonymous No.21733424]

>>21733390
More specifically, cinema that depicts conventionally attractive women forcing men to lick their assholes.

[Anonymous No.21733434]

Music because it’s the only art that’s escapes the eye.

[Anonymous No.21733438]

>>21732681
>Viruses are art

[Anonymous No.21733632]

>>21731926
Photography should be F tier. Shit art form. It's just wandering around mechanically capturing something that already exists. What's left is a shadow of reality that's been severed from the context it existed in. At least something like painted landscapes require human interpretation and skill. And no pointing a camera doesn't count as human interpretation and neither does fucking with lighting values in Photoshop. There are very few truly good photographs and even the best cannot invoke half the feeling and meaning that other art forms can.

[Anonymous No.21733720]

>>21733407
this is the worst picture of that place I have ever seen

[Anonymous No.21733834]

>>21733632
> It's just wandering around mechanically capturing something that already exists
That’s just natural photography. The other side of photography deals with scene manipulation, lighting, color correcting, etc.

[Anonymous No.21733844]

>Architecture
S tier. Nothing has a bigger impact on the mind and spirit than the surroundings of a person
>Music
S tier. Music is condensed emotion, it's downright magical
>Interactive art
S tier. I'm talking about things like ceremonies, traditions, processions. If you've never been involved in a religious ceremony, you have no idea how powerful it feels, how meaningful it can be. Most religions survive off the strength of these traditions, that alone tells you enough. This tier could also include e.g. sports and video games, but I'll exclude them since it's complicated
>Literature
A tier. I agree with Plato, the written word has many flaws. Knowledge does not exist unless it's carried around in a person's head, and many books fail to adequately convey their ideas due to poor communication. But literature's ability to preserve knowledge is unbelievable, easy A tier on that alone. Prose is also still an underdeveloped art form.
>Spoken Word (Orally transmitted culture)
A tier. This goes above literature for me. The downside of books is 99% of their contents are superfluous, while spoken word naturally filters out all the junk and leaves behind pure substance and what matters. Humans also tend to remember what they're told by other people way better than what they learn from a book. This includes not just myths or legends but folk tales, idioms, jokes, accents, etc.
>Drama / Opera / Film
A tier. They're in the same tier because they're essentially the same. At its best, they can become a Gesamtkunstwerk which has in theory more potential than any other art form. The issue with this class, generally, is the more factors you have to account for, the harder it is to make sure they all align correctly. When it goes well, it can change your life, but when done poorly, it's still pretty entertaining.
>Visual Arts
B tier. I'm always skeptical of visual arts since they tend to shift our focus away from reality, whereas the other art forms tend to enhance reality. Visual arts exist as a kind of spectacle unto themselves, they cast a kind of hypnosis spell on people, and unless a society uses them correctly, it often leads to bad things

[Anonymous No.21733848]

>>21732064
Well it is poop,you nincompoop.

[Anonymous No.21733855]

[Anonymous No.21733857]

>>21733844
Filmed has surpassed Gesamtkunstwerk

[Anonymous No.21733861]

>>21733857
Look up the meaning of that word

[Anonymous No.21733878]

Poo is the highest form of art and you can't prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.21733899]

>>21731926
Gay porn

[Anonymous No.21733900]

>>21732072
based

[Anonymous No.21733966]

Music is the best.

[Anonymous No.21733971]

>>21733966
Yea but Frank Zappa sucks.

[Anonymous No.21734231]

>>21733362
Shakespeare plays are not video games. They can be read by yourself, with a group, and performed on an actors' stage, translated into other languages and recorded, replayed in audio or video. Video games require electronics and computers, and almost nobody played video games until the 1990s and almost all video games become outdated a few years after release.

And video games still aren't art, chess isn't art either.

[Anonymous No.21734258]

cinema is better than literature

[Anonymous No.21734265]

>>21734258
The greatest movies are inferior to the greatest books.

[Anonymous No.21734272]

>>21734258
Everyone knows this is false.
Most people don't read books. But literally nobody reads movies.

[Anonymous No.21734299]

>>21732072
/thread

[Anonymous No.21734303]

>>21734265
no. tarkovsky, bergman, bresson, ozu, cassavetes, etc. mog most great books.

[Anonymous No.21734310]

>>21731980
We don't make S or A building anymore. it goes in the middle, fag.

[Anonymous No.21734322]

>>21734303
where do you think they stole their fucking ideas for plots from? Movies don't even work the brain.

[Anonymous No.21734325]

>>21734303
Not true, esp. not Ozzzu. The Divine Comedy and Orlando Furioso are already worth more than all you mentioned.

[Anonymous No.21734331]

>>21734303

>“Researchers have found that moderate to high television viewing during midlife is associated with increased memory loss and decreased fine motor skills,” explains Manisha Parulekar, M.D., director, division of Geriatrics, and co-director, Center for Memory Loss and Brain Health at Hackensack University Medical Center.

You don't get that from reading, or even playing videos games which is F tier if you even consider it art at all.

[Anonymous No.21734348]

>>21734322
not every director stole from books. in someone like tarkovksy or bresson's case they greatly improved upon original material.

[Anonymous No.21734557]

I'm probably alone here but I'm certain at some point video games (or VR) will surpass all art forms. It'll become indistinguishable from reality and will be limited only to the creator's imagination. Imagine being fully immersed in Resident Evil or a World War 2 game. Even in literature the creator could create a first-person perspective narration of Crime and Punishment. That'll be the beginning of the end though.

[Anonymous No.21734565]

>>21731926
Cinema ranks high, but it's because I don't watch shit.

[Anonymous No.21734610]

>>21732525
>>21732634
>>21732033
>>21734557
I'm always amazed by how many people on this website genuinely, unironically try to claim that video games are a high art form

[Anonymous No.21734638]

>>21731926
Poetry, honestly. Including some song lyrics. They are the only medium which can actually make you think about ideas on top of being moving and evocative. With other artforms it's one or the other, or neither. Literature comes second, of course.

[Anonymous No.21734679]

>>21734265
3000 years vs 100 years. The cinematic canon is impressive taking that into account

[Anonymous No.21734695]

>>21731926
Cinema, because it incorporates all the other arts.
Much of cinema is banal, but that is only because it is so difficult to master as a medium. Everything must be perfect, from the writing to the production to the acting to the cinematography.
It's much easier to create a perfect poem or a perfect piece of music than a perfect film.
Hence, cinema is the highest and hardest to master of all the artforms.

[Anonymous No.21734704]

>>21734610
Video games have an advantage over most art forms
Games are alive, while they are dead

[Anonymous No.21734707]

>>21734610
i think some of them are ironic

[Anonymous No.21734710]

>>21734704
Games aren't art. They're interactive challenges designed around player input. They don't exist solely for aesthetic contemplation like all other art forms do.
Games can incorporate many elements of fine art, like great storytelling, music, visual design, etc., but as a medium they cannot ever be art unless they were to be stripped of their interactive challenge aspect.

[Anonymous No.21734714]

>>21734710
Would you consider sports an art?
How about warfare?
And if not, why not?

[Anonymous No.21734725]

>>21734714
Certainly not by the strict definition of art. One can speak figuratively of the 'art of war' or 'art of the game' etc. but clearly we're not speaking about works of art created for the sole purpose of aesthetic contemplation, now are we?

[Anonymous No.21734728]

>>21734714
To the player or warrior, no. To the spectator, maybe. Overall, no.

[Anonymous No.21734740]

>>21733971
Based

[Anonymous No.21734744]

>>21734231
Videogames are just interactive movies, baka. Is film is art videogames are art.

[Anonymous No.21734745]

>>21734310
Oh are we going by only the stuff created nowadays? Then literature should be in f tier as well.

[Anonymous No.21734759]

>>21734610
Videogames have the potential to be the absolute highest for of art because it makes use of all other forms of art. Of course capitalism fuck everything up, so there is no chance we get to see this for now.

[Anonymous No.21734760]

>>21734710
>They don't exist solely for aesthetic contemplation like all other art forms do

You don't know enough games. Yes, many indie games were created solely for aesthetic contemplation. And then you have visual novels which are just choose your own adventure books without the paper.

[Anonymous No.21734768]

>>21732061
You can't tell the difference because you are not asian yourself dumbass. Why the fuck do I have to explain this to you?

[Anonymous No.21734770]

Hot take: monopoly is art because it was created to illustrate the concept of capitalism. The goal of the game is not to have fun but to think.

[Anonymous No.21734786]

>>21732681
>Comics over animation
You fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.21734845]

>all these manchildren defending cinema
Film peaked with German Expressionism. Metropolis is the greatest film of all time. It's all been downhill from there.

[Anonymous No.21734850]

>thinking films are good
They suck bro.

[Anonymous No.21734868]

>>21734714
As someone who does martial arts as a sport, no. Sports are not art.
Warfare is not art.
This >>21734710 is accurate.

[Anonymous No.21734874]

>>21731953
>9 identical faces ranked

[Anonymous No.21734966]

At least books stop your brain from decaying too much.

[Anonymous No.21734983]

>>21733971
Based but also Beefheart

[Anonymous No.21734988]

>>21734695
The greatest filmmakers of all time frequently commented on how easy filmmaking was compared to other mediums.

[Anonymous No.21734991]

>>21734845
For me it's Koyaanisquatsi.

[Anonymous No.21734995]

>>21734770
Monopoly is infuriating, not fun.

[Anonymous No.21734999]

>>21734759
>Videogames have the potential to be the absolute highest for of art because it makes use of all other forms of art.
COMBINE ALL FORMS! STIMULATE ME YOU HIGHEST FORM OF ALL! UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A START!

[Anonymous No.21735005]

>>21734995
Monopoly was invented by a Georgist chick and was originally called The Landlords Game. It was back when people all made board games themselves at home, basically an open source indie game. Then multiple companies tried to patent it.

[Anonymous No.21735012]

>>21734759
The trouble with videogames is they are in second person and if you want to stare at a wall and do nothing you can.

[Anonymous No.21735052]

>>21735012
>they are in second person
Not necessarily.

>if you want to stare at a wall and do nothing you can.
You can also read a single paragraph from a novel over and over again, so what?

[Anonymous No.21735086]

>>21732072
Finally a truly edgy post

[Anonymous No.21735418]

Food is objectively the greatest form of art since it involves 3 sensory mediums, taste, sight and texture. Most other arts involve one or two maximum. While it has less of an ability to cultivate and convey the artists emotions/experiences, it still makes us feel and stimulates our senses.

[Anonymous No.21735558]

>>21734770
Yeah, to think about how dog shit it is

[Anonymous No.21735663]

>>21735418
Kant says no.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique_of_Judgment

>the agreeable, the beautiful, the sublime, and the good.

>The agreeable is a purely sensory judgment — judgments in the form of "This steak is good," or "This chair is soft." These are purely subjective judgments, based on inclination alone.

>The good is essentially a judgment that something is ethical — the judgment that something conforms with moral law, which, in the Kantian sense, is essentially a claim of modality — a coherence with a fixed and absolute notion of reason. It is in many ways the absolute opposite of the agreeable, in that it is a purely objective judgment — things are either moral or they are not,

>The remaining two judgments — the beautiful and the sublime — differ from both the agreeable and the good. They are what Kant refers to as "subjective universal" judgments. This apparently oxymoronic term means that, in practice, the judgments are subjective, and are not tied to any absolute and determinate concept. However, the judgment that something is beautiful or sublime is made with the belief that other people ought to agree with this judgment — even though it is known that many will not. The force of this "ought" comes from a reference to a sensus communis — a community of taste.

1) This steak is good.
2) Stealing is wrong.
3) The Mona Lisa is a beautiful painting.
4) The Grand Canyon is truly awe inspiring.

tl;dr - if it serves any function besides "to be a thing of beauty" then it's not truly art.
This is why >>21735052
video games, which are meant to be entertaining, do not belong in a museum.

[Anonymous No.21735692]

>>21731926
Living life

[Anonymous No.21735719]

>>21734331
Those people are sitting back and watching hours upon hours of low quality television shows, not intellectually stimulating films by James Benning.
I don't know if it's as harmful with other forms of media, but every medium has mind numbing slop for the lowest common denominator.

[Anonymous No.21735738]

>>21731926
freemasonry is a social club not an artform
unless that's supposed to be architecture in which case kill yourself

[Anonymous No.21735765]

>>21734610
I think they are memeing. No can be this silly. Right?

[Anonymous No.21735778]

>>21732251
S: Literature, Painting
A: Music (Classical), Opera
B: Architecture, Theatre
C: Film, Graphic Novels (Confessional/Autobiographical)
D: Cartooning, Music (General)
F: Video Games, Comic Books

[Anonymous No.21735781]

>>21735778
Graphic novels and comic books are the same art form. If you think Persepolis and Watchmen belong to different mediums, you’re insane.

[Anonymous No.21735784]

>>21735781
I was thinking more: Chester Brown/Seth/Chris Ware (confessional graphic novels) v. Alan Moore (elevated capeshit)

[Anonymous No.21735791]

>>21735784
You make no such generic description for film or literature. Interesting.

[Anonymous No.21735793]

>>21735791
distinctions*
fuck

[Anonymous No.21735795]

>>21735663
I'm 100% sure that if this kant guy lived through the 21st century and saw the advancements in art forms - pictures, movies, shows, video games, virtual reality
that his criteria to judging art would change, and so should yours

If we take music and video games for a comparison, music is meant to be entertaining just like video games, it knows exactly how to stimulate you and tries to elicit emotion, so can you say that a video game experience and a piece of music both engineered around eliciting a wide range of emotions and giving you an experience are both not art forms?

My point is that it is still an art form if you can express yourself with the medium even if you engineer an experience, it is simply a longer medium, one you can indulge in over and over.

Some example of video games:
Read dead redemption 1/2 gives you a window into early America and lets you experience it in great detail and experience what it was like back then from the point of view of the character
Kingdom come deliverance lets you experience a snippet of medieval times as a peasant in the Bohemian empire

They've made use of all forms of art to create something new and unique, nothing else can replicate it, it is in itself now, one contained piece of art.

tl;dr if it is an engineered experience meant to elicit specific emotions and be entertaining it doesn't make it not art, and art can be longer and more complex than anything simple and straight forward

[Anonymous No.21735803]

>>21733844
>>21735778
Opera is not its own separate artform. It is a subdivision of music, the acting, choreography etc. are just a part of the performance. You don't hear Don Giovanni for Lorenzo Da Ponte's contributions, you hear it for Mozart. If the performance notes for a piece tell you to wear a fedora while playing, does it become another artform entirely? Or does it become music with nonmusical elements?

[Anonymous No.21735806]

>>21735791
I gave distinction only where absolutely necessary. Beyonce isn't Bach and The Avengers isn't Clyde Fans. I don't believe film is capable of the same level of depth as literature. Being good at reading versus being good at watching a movie? It just doesn't have the same gravity.

[Anonymous No.21735807]

A video game is a digital board game or toy. It is not art. I have played pretty much every critically game and not one of them constitutes what I would call art. Not every piece of media is art. This post is not art.

[Anonymous No.21735813]

>>21735806
But The Avengers (movie) is on the same level as [insert whatever film you think highly of]?

[Anonymous No.21735819]

>>21734231
Video games can be experienced by yourself, with a group, displayed on a stream for all to see, translated into other languages and recorded, replayed in audio or video

"Video games require electronics and computers" so this is your grand argument? you literally said the plays can be replayed in audio or video

I think you simply did not play enough games and that's okay, but you should give them a shot before dismissing them, I've never dismissed a shakespeare play

[Anonymous No.21735838]

>>21735807
Maybe the games didn't resonate with you, but to get to experience something you never would have gotten to experience before in an engineered experience is incredible, like experiencing early America in RDR 2

Capturing a point in time and expressing it as an experience is no different than taking a picture, it is simply longer and grander, but still art nonetheless

[Anonymous No.21735843]

>>21735813
That would be an F v. a C.

[Anonymous No.21735850]

>>21735838
I don’t see how. I don’t consider amusement park rides to be art either. Or board games. Or toys. Games are fun, but they are not art.

[Anonymous No.21735858]

>>21731926
Bull baiting is the highest form of art. It is the reason to own pits. And bulls. And pit bulls.

[Anonymous No.21735867]

>>21731976
Menstrual blood is far more artistic than poopoo.

[Anonymous No.21735872]

>>21735778
Classical music is unironically not that good. Its enjoyment is mostly academic and doesn't break away enough from convention to instill any meaningful emotion. Music has certainly reached greater heights since then.

[Anonymous No.21735875]

>>21735867
Imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.21735883]

>>21735872
>doesn't break away enough from convention to instill any meaningful emotion
If you knew anything about classical, you would immediately realize your first error here.

[Anonymous No.21735902]

>>21734610
>at some point
I didn't say now. If VR ever becomes completely immersive then you could literally do anything.

[Anonymous No.21735915]

>>21735795

I guess you're right there.
I'm just quick to offer the "industry standard" opinion/ play devils advocate too hard sometimes.
I myself have had emotional experiences from video games.
For me it was Zelda: Majoras Mask for the N64, when you stop the moon from falling by calling the four giants:
https://youtu.be/kROittKt-R8?t=145
Only later in life, whilst struggling with major depression did I come to value that game as something more. The feeling of the world ending, the masses of people in denial about the fact, and the constant repeating cycles of three days. Trying to help others despite being setback with your own problems. All of this put into words what I was feeling at the time and would eventually help me form a narrative and find meaning in my pain.

Runner up is the good end of Star fox 64:
https://youtu.be/RLypi9QgT1M?t=355

Maybe finding such deeper meanings in video games is silly, but Marcel Duchamp did prove recontextualizing the mundane can be used to expand our definition of what is art.

[Anonymous No.21735944]

>>21731926
>video games and comics below cinema
OP is a faggot

[Anonymous No.21735962]

>>21731926
Poetry is the highest art form. That's why it's dead. Followed by literature, by the virtue of it paradoxical nature, being a form of story not able to be written being written. Then music, sculpture and visual art for their simpler form of conveying story. Then comics and games for their greater simplicity. Then we end up with architecture because of its limitations.

[Anonymous No.21735965]

>>21735872
>Its enjoyment is mostly academic and doesn't break away enough from convention to instill any meaningful emotion
This >>21735883.

[Anonymous No.21735972]

>>21735944
Games are inferior to cinema, you delusional /v/irgin.

[Anonymous No.21735986]

>>21735872

I agree. What is hip hop but poetry set to music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWveXdj6oZU

what is architecture but frozen music?

[Anonymous No.21735994]

>>21735915
That was very nice of you to share those experiences, I'm glad these games were able to help. Its true and I can also derive a lot of lessons from the games I play, and Its not necessarily always obvious or even intended by the developers to make you realize that specific thing that you discovered, so I don't think Its silly at all

I always described the best video games as an extremely good and interactive book/movie, and I love narrative driven games, there's surely a lot of bad video games out there just like there is a lot of bad anything else, but again I personally find that the best video games contend and in my experience surpass the upper limit of how impactful an experience could be, that's just my opinion

what is your favorite form of art?

[Anonymous No.21736034]

>>21735986
>I agree. What is hip hop but poetry set to music?
Dumbest take ever. What do you think the ballad evolved into, retard?

[Anonymous No.21736039]

>>21735994

I'm an artist so you would guess painting, but I just find music to be so beautiful.

I've always strived to make art that is like music, like pic related, and I love songs that tell a story, which is why I ultimately love all along the watchtower:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLV4_xaYynY

[Anonymous No.21736065]

>>21735986
>listening to a chubby hipster dyke talk about rap on a Vice knockoff YouTube channel known for hyperbolic leftwing propaganda

[Anonymous No.21736165]

>>21736039
Were you trying to make the drawing progressively worse as it went from left to right? Don't get me wrong, the first part is fine but holy shit the postures and the face on that last guy.

[Anonymous No.21736184]

>What is the highest artform?
suicide. /thread

[Anonymous No.21736250]

>>21736039
Wow that's really nice! did you make it yourself? I like the vibe of it
I listened to that whole thing and Its a good jam!

And yeah I totally get you about music, Its truly a vessel for memories for me and I think for a lot of people, 90% of the music I listen to is music associated with good memories, which is mostly from games haha, but it makes me feel really good so Its awesome, thanks for sharing again! :)

[Anonymous No.21736349]

>>21735803
Opera that is Drama is its own artform, but Opera that is a messy jumble of music, phrases, and singing is not.

[Anonymous No.21736371]

>>21732675
>ALL music is abstract because it has no capacity to represent.
What is ultrasound and echolocation
The eye is biased. Music is in a category of it's own.

[Anonymous No.21736387]

(The Best)
Plato
Shakespeare
Wagner

(Excellent)
Architecture
Symphony
Poetry

(Good)
Literature
Theatre
Motion Pictures
Church Music
Other music (Concertos, Cantatas, etc.)

(Alright)
Opera
Paintings
Folk-Song

[Anonymous No.21736418]

The argument that the term ‘art’ can be gatekept to a strict set of anything was destroyed long ago when That Urinal was allowed to wreck shop and ended any semblance of consensus on what defines art.

[Anonymous No.21736419]

>>21736418
Getting money out of states, the bourgeoisie, or sad fetishist first worlders constitutes art. You're badly misreading urinal.

[Anonymous No.21736438]

>>21736419
I’m not interpreting it. I’m making the claim that it destroyed all consensus.

[Anonymous No.21736456]

>>21736438
>I’m not interpreting it. I’m making the claim
Son, you're functionally illiterate.

[Anonymous No.21736458]

Fashion is the greatest art form you dumb retards, get with the times.

[Anonymous No.21736471]

>>21736456
The person who is repeatedly misunderstanding posts is you.

[Anonymous No.21736474]

>>21734303
>tarkovsky, bergman
Allegoric garbage, the narrative equivalent of saying the Statue of Liberty is high art.

[Anonymous No.21736485]

>>21735858
Tell me more about ritualised dog/cow violence for art?

[Anonymous No.21736510]

>>21736456
I’ll take your comment in good faith, what I consider myself to be interpreting for my claim is the art world’s reaction to the urinal, not the urinal itself. I consider the actual intent of the work immaterial to this so therefore I do not conflate the two. I don’t consider myself to be interpreting it as a result.

[Anonymous No.21736596]

>>21735663
What about the foods that are crafted to look perfect, or like something other than what they are e.g. a shoe? They are created for beauty but are still food.

[Anonymous No.21736797]

>>21736349
No, the drama is an extramusical element applied to music.

[Anonymous No.21738183]

>>21731926
off topic

[Anonymous No.21738188]

>>21732072
You'll never fire a weapon nor will you ever be an operator.

[objective ranker No.21738397]

S: Literature, Painting, Music, Comics
A: Animation
B: Sculpture, Video games
C: Architecture
F: Theater, Live action film, Photography

[Anonymous No.21738553]

>>21732681
>Toys cannot be art
Play is the highest form of art, not stage play, the actual essence of play. Only pseuds ignore this.

[Anonymous No.21738560]

>>21734710
This dude doesn't engage with art lol. The whole point of art is to have an interactive relationship with the viewer, how do people not understand this?

[Anonymous No.21739164]

it's hard to decide for most of these but some things are certain: music is in S tier, literature in A tier or S tier, photography is in F tier and theater is in F tier as well

[Anonymous No.21739193]

It's not a competition. Of course, artists compete against one another, but the forms don't.

[Anonymous No.21740851]

>video gaming is art because it combines all other forms of art
This doesn't mean anything. Video games have to accommodate the interactivity of the player which worsens the story 99% of the time, not to mention it can rely on its gameplay to be fun, thus making the other elements mediocre. By the same token, why do you think the book is almost always better than the movie despite the latter "combining more art forms"? Because it's simply more refined and mature as a form, adding more artistic elements doesn't make it better, if anything it dilutes the value. Even the greatest video game ever made is at BEST a 6 out of 10 in the grand scheme of art. Is something like Bloodborne cool to look at? Sure. Is it true art? Hardly.

[Anonymous No.21740910]

>>21740851
define art then? Why is gameplay not art?

[Anonymous No.21740953]

>>21740910
idk im just mad

[Anonymous No.21741269]

Rain World is the only video game I'd consider to be art. It transcends the notion that video games are supposed to be satisfying to play, reward the player, be entertaining, etc. Which ties into its thematic elements so beautifully. Games like Dark Souls are still too indebted to traditional video gamey systems and RPG elements that debase whatever statement it's trying to make. You could maybe, MAYBE make a case for games like Riven and Outer Wilds but those are really just interactive puzzles.

[Anonymous No.21741368]

>>21735994
>>21735915
fuck off back to retardera, you and your ilk with your slobbering over muh cinematic experience and muh narrative are the cancer killing vidya. Video games are not and will never be art and there is no reason for them to try, they have always been a form of play first and foremost. I would rather games wither away than be maimed by your midwit pretensions to 'art'.

[Anonymous No.21741398]

>>21731926
art is for faggots, men read STEM books and make an art from mathematics, physics and chemistry

[Anonymous No.21741441]

>>21741269
I have only played a bit of the game (I have only gone through the first area, the industrial area, the nuclear waste area, the sea are and a bit of the dark area), but what I played was quite fun and entertaining. The only thing I disliked were the sigil door things.

[Anonymous No.21741679]

>>21731926
>What is the highest art form?
Oratory

[Anonymous No.21743377]

>>21731926
Nah, comics are the greatest ones, with literature following behind. But everything is good as long as is an art form, a bridge to the unadultered and pure expression of human mind, heart and soul.

[Anonymous No.21743386]

>>21731976
This is the shittiest painting i have ever seen

[Anonymous No.21743399]

>>21732072
ALL I WANTED WAS YOUR HONESTY
SOMETHING MORE THAN THIS
SOMETHING MORE THAN ME
DEATH CAN TAKE ME IF I CAN'T BE FREE
I'M NOT LIKE YOU
I'M A DYING BREED

[Anonymous No.21743473]

>>21732032
Yup.
>>21732675
Yes, that's why it's the highest form. It's the most removed from direct representation, yet is able to evoke so much emotion. See Schopenhauer. People get the sense that abstract art in other media is bullshit, because it often is, but can tell in moments whether music is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.21743522]

>>21731926
Thinking isn't an artform retard.

[Anonymous No.21743542]

>>21731953
>chewy B
>nayeon S
nice b8