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[Anonymous No.21729732]

Is it a meme?

[Cluster B !GY4CZZOlWY No.21729734]

[Anonymous No.21729766]

Why do people make threads like these

[Anonymous No.21729786]

>>21729732
I've only read a few chapters but i think it's fine. Not ideal if it's your first scifi or if you plan to read the sequels, though.

[Anonymous No.21729871]

>>21729732
I hate this cover so much its unreal

[Anonymous No.21729898]

>>21729732
>Is it a meme?
No, its not a meme. Like many thinkers of his time, Herbert was influenced by Indian philosophy. The Hindus and Buddhists understood that what gave man continuity over countless lifetimes was not his body, or even his mind, but his stories, his karma. His stories determine his future, not his class or the whims of God. If you want to understand Dune, you have to understand the Upanishads

[Anonymous No.21730119]

>>21729734
by fighting with the Harkonnens, they imply that they are the bad guys. Of course, we already knew this.

[Anonymous No.21730126]

>>21729732
No, it is not a meme. It is just fucking excellent. A great book. One of my absolute favorites.
The whole series is good, though certain books are less captivating.

[Anonymous No.21730131]

>>21730126
>>21729898
this

[Anonymous No.21730138]

>>21729766
Usually it's made by people who genuinely appreciate the work and try to spread their appreciation by activating a discussion by disregarding the works influence and thereby propmt fans to post genuine testaments of their personal appreciation in order to proclaim OP as underage or homosexual.

>>21729734
>whataboutnatoism
Irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.21730151]

>>21730126
Which ones are your favorites?
How would you say the lesser ones differentiate?

[Anonymous No.21730214]

I read it for the first time a few months ago and loved it. The midsection is fairly tedious (how many times can Frank Herbert describe a rock?) and the Baron turns from ominous threat into cartoon bad guy in the latter parts, but it left me wanting more as soon as it ended. Going to read Messiah soon.

[Anonymous No.21730275]

>>21730214
Not to spoil anything but I appreciate how Herbert manages to descrivbe decades and centuries passing while still making the story seem cohesive. He makes it look easy.

[Anonymous No.21730279]

>>21729732
just watch the hbo movie with timothy chamalet and zendayaa <3

[Anonymous No.21730283]

>>21730279
omg i love marvel
>>>/tv/

[Anonymous No.21730373]

>>21729732
The massive research approach paid dividends. The prescience and vision sequences were surprisingly good (Herbert innovated some magic mushroom spore sorting technique.)

>>21730214
It accelerates getting into the last third.

[Anonymous No.21730496]

>>21730214
If you thought original Dune dragged in parts, Messiah will filter you hard. It's one of the most nothing happens books ever written

[Anonymous No.21730525]

>>21729732
Yes, but it is a good meme.

[Anonymous No.21730542]

>>21729732
>>21729766
>>21729786
>>21729871
>>21730126
>>21730131
>>21730214
Dune is plagiarism
lol
Sabres of Paradise
>"To kill with the point lacked artistry."
Dune
>Gurney says there's no artistry in killing with the tip, that it should be done with the edge
Sabres of paradise
>Thus, in writing of Shamyl, we must place him first in his time − the first half of the nineteenth century, and then in his place − the mountains – […]
Dune
>To begin your study of the life of Muad'Dib, then, take care that you first place him in his time: born in the 57th year of the Padishah Emperor, Shaddam IV. And take the most special care that you locate Muad'Dib in his place: the planet Arrakis
Sabres of Paradise
>Shamyl, the embodiment of his land, was at once warrior and mystic, ogre and saint, foxy and innocent, chivalrous and ruthless.
Dune
>He was warrior and mystic, ogre and saint, the fox and the innocent, chivalrous, ruthless, less than a god, more than a man. There is no measuring Muad'Dib's motives by ordinary standards.
Sabres of Paradise
>O mountains of Gounib, O soldiers of Shamyl,
>Shamyl’s citadel was full of warriors,
>Yet it has fallen, fallen forever …
Dune
>O Seas of Caladan,
>O people of Duke Leto--
>Citadel of Leto fallen,
>Fallen forever. . .
>-from "Songs of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan

[Anonymous No.21730560]

>author had read and was inspired by previous works
Holy shit

[Anonymous No.21730571]

>>21729732

[Anonymous No.21730575]

>>21730542
everything worth reading is basically plagiarism, ever heard of intertextuality

[Anonymous No.21730582]

God Emperor of Dune and Heretics of Dune have some really great anti-commie stuff. It's wonderful fun to watch modern leftists transforming themselves into the repulsive Bene Tleilaxu with their gender surgeries and their furry fetishism. The big reveal of the nature of Bene Tleilaxu reproduction is also the certain fate of their kind.

You might even say... Frank Herbet was prescient. Picrel

[Anonymous No.21730637]

>>21730560
>>21730575
>dude taking inspiration from other authors is totally the same as directly plagiarising whole portions of text
why are dunefags like this

[Anonymous No.21730664]

>>21730582
You fucking retard, Bene Tleilaxu are genemaxxing incels who literally hate women.

How on earth did you miss that?

[Anonymous No.21730675]

>>21730637
Post clear differentiating examples of authors plagarising and taking inspiration from popular works and I will reevaluate my stance on Frank Herbert as an author.

[Anonymous No.21730676]

>>21730664
honestly im more surprised that anyone actually read past the first half of dune, i thought it was one of those books we all just pretend to have read

[Anonymous No.21730740]

>>21730664

... yeah they hate women, so they use cyborg wombs. They eliminate women fro-

Nevermind. Congrats on your (you)

[Anonymous No.21730742]

>>21730675
Frank Herbert took entire passages of text from the sabres of paradise, as I have already shown

[Anonymous No.21730754]

>>21730676
I read it all the way to the Brian and Kevin Sequels but I don't recall anything past Chapterhouse. I tried reading the prequel Butlerian Jihad trilogy and found them to be fun schlock but they might bother people who can't mentally separate them from the original books.

I couldn't read the prequel trilogy set right before Dune because they were just too close

[Anonymous No.21730757]

>>21729898
I'm starting to like this pasta

[Anonymous No.21730771]

>>21730740
>Lobotomizing all your women and turning them into "I have no mouth but I must scream" baby factories is somehow not misogynist.
>Then they create shapeshifting futa fleshgolems to serve as their entertainers and lackeys
>Then they become the fleshgolems but still hate natural women

[Anonymous No.21730796]

>>21730676
Genuinely one of my favorite SF/F series. All six Frank books. The Brian/KJA stuff is garbage.

[Anonymous No.21730805]

>>21730771
what? how far do i have to read to get to this stuff? i absolutely love the idea of transhumanist futurists destroying themselves and their souls thru body modification and shit. am i about to attempt to read dune again?

[Anonymous No.21730815]

>>21730664
>Bene Tleilaxu are genemaxxing incels who literally hate women
Wtf are you talking about, retard. Like many peoples of his time, the Bene Tleilaxu were influenced by Indian philosophy. The Hindus and Buddhists understood that what gave man continuity over countless lifetimes was not his body, or even his mind, but his labor, his karma. The labor determine his future, not his class or the whims of God. If you want to understand the Bene Tleilaxu or Dune at all, you have to understand the Upanishads retard

[Anonymous No.21730862]

>>21730742
Interesting. Are there examples of such?

Would you say that his works are bad only because of the supposed theft of prose or would it have been bad irregardless if the supposed theft had taken place?

[Anonymous No.21730871]

>>21730771
I'm not understanding where you think I suggested they AREN'T misogynists, you midlitterate nigger. But I'm glad someone else knows how cool and fun Dune is either way.

>>21730805
The 4th book starts ramping up and the 5th is easily the best in the series.

You can honestly just read book 5. You'll be a little behind about some Bene Tleilaxu details, but you'll be right on target for the disgusting quasi-humans

[Anonymous No.21731161]

>>21729732
Such a meme. This book is shit.

There's no actual struggle. From the beginning to the end, you know that Paul is going to overcome everything. He passes the pain trial because of course he is. He is a mentat because of course he is. He becomes a Bene Gesserit because of course he is. He becomes the reverand mother because of course he does. He wins the duel because of course he does. He rides the sand worm because of course he does. There's no actual struggle. There's no actual conflict. This book is shit.

[Anonymous No.21731196]

>>21731161
He fails to avoid the galactic jihad because of his human hatred and desire for revenge

[Anonymous No.21731309]

>>21731161
>filtered retard

Bene Tleilaxu aren't misogynist, they tolerate women and are more concerned with non believers of their religion. Any kind of contact with non believers/infidels is an assault on them and they have to do a ceremony amd cleansing when they return to the planet they come from.

>dude these honoured matres can orgasm you to mind control you
What was Herbert thinking here? Why was the sex scenes and the idea that someone can orgasm you to literal mind control included at all.

[Anonymous No.21731357]

>>21729732
Not if you stick around for God Emperor

[Anonymous No.21731469]

>>21731309

Honored orgasms is just a sort of plot device... something something, Bene Tleilaxu are still technically human, something something, can still succumb to the weaknesses of man...

Or whatever.

I don't really think they're "misogynistic" per sey either. They're a communistic society. The moral Herbert is teaching with them is that you won't have a functional communist society while the species still reproduces through sex.

[Anonymous No.21731500]

>>21730862
>Interesting. Are there examples of such?
are you retarded?
read the thread

[Anonymous No.21731521]

>>21729732
Just finished it and thought it was fantastic. The political Intrigue is fantastic

[Anonymous No.21731729]

>>21729766
Because they don’t read the books.

[Anonymous No.21732807]

>>21731309
>dude these honoured matres can orgasm you to mind control you
To be fair, that's just an uber-expert level extrapolation of something that already happens in real life.

[Anonymous No.21733064]

I want to see an 80s/90s styled anime film adaptation of the whole series. I wouldn't trust a live action film director to pull off something like God Emperor.

[Anonymous No.21733147]

>>21730542
>just wait til this nigga realizes 'Captivity of Two Russian Princesses in the Caucasus, including a Seven Month's Residence in Shamil's Seraglio (1857)' exists and reads it
>lol I know, he doesn't actually read, he just makes the same tiresome complaints because of his obsessive hateboner for Dune

[Anonymous No.21733154]

>>21733064
it would be deliciously ironic if so-called AI tools were to facilitate this in the near future

[Anonymous No.21733158]

>>21733064
I always thought it would be awesome in the style of something like thief and the cobbler. But agreed I always wanted an animated version, not the hollywood blockbuster slop we got. I also have thought dune would be cool in the style of the 70s lotr movies

[Anonymous No.21733161]

>>21733154
Seriously doubt it would be a worthwhile alternative to the adaptations we already have depending on what you mean by the "near future"

[Anonymous No.21734031]

>>21730742
I don't care

[Anonymous No.21734620]

>>21729871
It looks really nice aside from the "Now a major motion picture" thing.

[Anonymous No.21734625]

>>21729732
>Is it a meme?
Yes. Good meme.

[Anonymous No.21734950]

>>21734620
Yeah but the Fremen is walking normally on the sand like an idiot. Shai hulud is going to engulf that noob.

[Anonymous No.21736374]

>>21729732
Yes.

[Anonymous No.21736990]

>>21729732
it's a dank meme

[Anonymous No.21737034]

>>21734950
that's clearly not a fremen, he has his hair out
it's probably supposed to be paul at the very beginning of the book or something

[Anonymous No.21738244]

I have taken a break from Dune after finishing God Emperor a few months ago.

The cerebral, psychedelic descriptions of prescience have been my favourite aspects of the series so far. And Leto II's golden path was an interesting concept which pulled me back into the story, as the pieces started falling into place (I had started becoming exhausted with the world by that point).

Fremen culture, along with many aspects of the lore, eventually stopped being compelling after a certain point, and I just wanted to get back to the cerebral, psychedelic stuff. I enjoy the lore and the world building, but I really didn't need that much to enjoy the story and main concepts.

And I couldn't give two shits about Duncan's love life, or Herbert's hackneyed portrayal of romance. Felt like Alia was a bit of a wasted character too, and the concept of possession could have been portrayed better.

Honestly would be fine with an abridged version of the story, edited down to one big volume, cutting out all the fat, and keeping only the meat.

What was the question?

[Anonymous No.21738817]

>>21730571
Good game, I'm gonna save that image thanks anon

[Anonymous No.21738865]

>>21730214
I liked Messiah more than original dune, but it can be a bit slow at points.
I really like children of dune too, thought it was better than the original. Haven't read God emperor yet

[Anonymous No.21739084]

>>21738865
God Emperor is the peak of the entire series for me. I savored the whole thing. Chewed on the ideas in there like a nice steak.