Anti Public Schooling Reading List

[Anonymous No.21723632]

Hello, I am trying to build a reading list of literature critical of modern schooling/"education" . Do you have any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.21723791]

The best part about being critical of education is that you don't need to read anything you can just repeat whatever your favorite talking head has told you

[Anonymous No.21723796]

>>21723632

[Anonymous No.21723803]

>>21723791
Being critical of public education is not being critical of education it is being critical of public education. The covid mrna therepy injections are not vaccines. Stop reframing language.

[Anonymous No.21723807]

>>21723632
Only if u can get your hands on original version. The ones that float around on Internet have been neutered.

[Anonymous No.21723873]

>>21723632
>critical of modern schooling
Statist schooling*
And how about the alternative? Anyone spell it out? Stages of development, how curriculum ought to be laid out. Every child is different but surely there must be a rough blueprint of some kind

[Anonymous No.21723903]

>>21723807
Does he not make up retarded limpwristed loopholes for taking the Protocols seriously in print or something?

[Anonymous No.21723904]

>>21723803
you think you are edgy but you are just parroting the hegemonic fascist reaganite neoliberal ideology. selfish bourgeoisie individualism and white male settler frontier fantasies. you dont understand class struggle or are outright on the side of the enemy. you ignore the long running attempt to defund public education and squash teacher's unions. public education is necessary for the same reason vaccination is neccesatry, homeschooling will always benefit rich parents and perpetuate inequalities, it alows for the perpetuation of ideologies such as white supremacy, christian fundamentalism, extremism that feed into the system of domestic terrorism,.

You are repeating right wing fascist transphobic propaganda that puts vulnerable people a marginalized minority at risk of genoicide. You are supporting family values and heteronormative christian family against those you perceive as deviants. You show no understanding of how privilege works. Basically falling for the same old neoliberal trick that scapegoats marginalized folks such as queer or PoC or public sector unions like teachers anti intellectualism against journalist scientists and academics in order to defund public services

[Anonymous No.21723914]

>>21723791
Le illiterate education bureaucrat inducing body dysmorphia and suicidal ideation in children because they are desperate to blackmail you into voting for the blue party. Le locking helpless children up in an air conditioned room and indoctrinating them on the importance of normalizing sex work and sex reassignment surgery and scolding them for their white privilege in between false flag mass shootings and mandatory drag shows sponsored by onlyfans lockheed martin and mastercard. Fucking hate queers simple as.


Your children! Give us access to your children!
>screeches in furry AVI ACAB AMAB BLM blue wave emoji pronouns land acknowledgement public teachers union membership (you know how hard is it to fire public employees?)link to onlyfans and laundry list of mental illnesses in bio

[Anonymous No.21723938]

>>21723904
Tldr. I don't take any lowercase posters seriously. Rewrite it at a 3rd grade level.

[Anonymous No.21723996]

>>21723914
posts like this show opposition to public education is always reactionary and rooted in queerphobia toic neoliberalism and white supremacy.

[Anonymous No.21724049]

>>21723996
Public education was invented to brainwash peasants into being cannon fodder for the state. Willingly sending your child to a state indoctrination facility is criminal neglect and child abuse.

[Anonymous No.21724054]

>>21724049
this is toxic whiteness speaking, you just dont want your kids to question christian dogma or learn white privilege exists or sex workers and queer people exist.

[Anonymous No.21724090]

>>21723632

[Anonymous No.21724115]

[Anonymous No.21724223]

>>21724090
Doesn't he mean "subjugation" rather than "subjectification"?

[Anonymous No.21724490]

This book is about how integration without being able to differences in group outcomes leads to the whole system being destroyed.
Things went to hell in new york, and this book details them.

[Anonymous No.21724610]

>>21723632
Neil Postman has some very interesting stuff. Read all of the Media Ecologists.

[Anonymous No.21724647]

>>21723807
This book is filled with dated Boomer schizo conspiracies that never came true

[Anonymous No.21724661]

>>21724223
No. Subjectification means making you into a specific sort of subject, one that has an identity and behavior of the expect sort. You can subjugate any subject, the trick is to make a subject that does not believe his circumstances and social role to be one of an exploited person. If one sincerely agrees to one's lot in life, it is no longer subjugation.
Basic bitch French theory, a Modern subject as a contingent system, often a mass fabricated one at that, one who gets inculcated into the Modern way of life so that he is like fish in a water tank.

[Anonymous No.21724717]

[Anonymous No.21724786]

I think education pretty consistently makes kids hate learning. I'll say that much. Most of what kids get out of school is a victim complex, and a sense of resentment, from being locked in a prison for most of their childhood.

[Anonymous No.21724795]

>>21724786

[Anonymous No.21724797]

>>21724049
meanwhile reactionaries are trying their damnedest and unfortunately succeeding in removing every part of the curriculum that is even mildly critical of the state or portrays it in a negative light

[Anonymous No.21724800]

>>21724090
>>21724115
did all the reactionary facebook boomers move to 4chan or something?

[Anonymous No.21724803]

>>21723873
>And how about the alternative?
Wasn't Asimov 70 years in the past already imagining an open encyclopedia of knowledge accessible from every corner of the world from which anyone could learn to their needs and their interests? What reasons do we have against this: that parasitic academics will fight to the last drop of spilled and scattered talent to earn their worthless keep? That they'll gatekeep this very information and even abuse their students economically and intellectually to maintain their pathetic abodes?
Make the standard knowledge and standardized professional activity. We've dreamed of this for so long and it's such a clear path to take. I guess that's too ableist though.

[Anonymous No.21724806]

>>21724797
>reactionaries
Still seething parents are removing your gay child porn from their children's libraries?

[Anonymous No.21724810]

>>21724797
Anon schools teach that the state is legitimate and that government interference in the economy can ever be justified.

[Anonymous No.21724813]

>>21724806
no, i'm more concerned about schools omitting this country's very real history of slavery and racism from school textbooks.

[Anonymous No.21724828]

>>21724813
Well it's a good thing you already revealed yourself as a /leftypol/ communist transvestite, so anything you post can summarily be dismissed as bad faith lies.

[Anonymous No.21724881]

>>21724828
https://apnews.com/article/florida-race-and-ethnicity-government-and-politics-education-74d0af6c52c0009ec3fa3ee9955b0a8d

[Anonymous No.21724889]

>>21724881
In an ideal world children would be taught that absolute ethno nationalism is the only legitimate foundation for a country which doesn't work on fake countries built on stolen land like most of the Americas.

[Anonymous No.21724899]

>>21724881
Didn't click.
Cope, seethe, and sneed.

[Anonymous No.21724915]

>>21724899
but i'm the one who's acting in bad faith
go back to /pol/ you schizophrenic incel

[Anonymous No.21724921]

>>21724813
desu, a lot of kids aren't mature enough to internalise that stuff correctly, they just come away thinking that white people are bad. If they're white, they think it's their fault, or their parents' fault somehow. If they're black, they're being fully primed to hate white people.

[Anonymous No.21724928]

>>21724921
That is the purpose.

[Anonymous No.21724935]

>>21724921
not if it's taught correctly.
>>21724928
no it's not.

[Anonymous No.21724942]

>>21724935
Nobody's falling for your bullshit anymore, and all you can do is helplessly look on as every school board in the country continues to destroy your marxist propaganda

[Anonymous No.21724943]

>>21724942
take your meds, schizo.

[Anonymous No.21724950]

>>21724943
I think I'll take back my schools instead.

[Anonymous No.21724952]

>>21724813
le child prision needs more drag queens and privilege checking struggle sessions.

queer leftsts= people who mindlessly defend the compulsory education system, the psychiatric biomedical pharmaceutical complex and the sex industry like dumb right wingers defend the church police and military

[Anonymous No.21724958]

>tfw teacher
>tfw read loads of educational philisophy from hitters like Rousseau, Maritain, Dewey, etc.
>tfw have studied and worked on my own practice and pedagogy
>tfw stupid motherfuckers still think they know more about education than me because they went to school as kids
Just fucking stop

[Anonymous No.21724957]

>>21724797
This, opposition to the public education system is a sign of privilege and reactionary petty bourgeoisie settler individualism and heteronormativity(aka fascism), unconditional support for decolonial action carried out by progressive sectors of the state bureaucracy.

[Anonymous No.21724959]

>>21724952
at no point in this thread have i even mentioned drag queens or the broader lgbtq+ community yet it's all you talk about. you can't speak to the substance of what anyone is actually saying so you invent arguments to attack instead.
if you're just going to respond with cope and seethe, don't bother.

[Anonymous No.21724971]

>>21723632
Rudolf Steiner developed an entire alternative school program. He has a book called "the education of the child" which I think is where he goes over why.

[Anonymous No.21724974]

>>21724958
What do you know about education? Bonus points if your answer is anything other than "the status quo is the best it can be."

[Anonymous No.21724975]

>>21724959
no its my turn to forcefeed helpless children electoral propaganda!

[Anonymous No.21724983]

>>21724935
How do you teach it correctly? Teach about white slaves and black slavers? How it was really just the rich who owned slaves and not "white people" as some kind of singular entity? Because I feel like a lot of these details got passed over in my education.

[Anonymous No.21724986]

>>21724974
I know that the status quo fucking sucks but so does charter schools. So does homeschooling 99 times out of 100. I know that with the pay as shit as it is (in the US) there’s nothing attracting actual intellectuals to the field since they don’t really want to be on welfare AND dealing with kids and parents. I know that most teachers use pre-canned curricula that suck ass and don’t represent their kids or the teacher’s honest interests leading to a shit-fueled canon where we STILL have crap like A Separate Peace and Scarlet Letter being taught for no reason but to teach them.

I also know most parents have absolutely no brain cells when it comes to interacting with school

[Anonymous No.21724987]

>>21724958
Stop torturing children. If you didn't have the backing of the state, everyone would think you were a pervert.

[Anonymous No.21724990]

>>21724943
>supports the illegitimate globalist establishment
>calls others crazy.

[Anonymous No.21724992]

>>21724959
ok groomer

[Anonymous No.21724998]

>>21724987
I’ve done more to keep children from killing themselves and get help after their own family have abused them than you will ever contribute to the world so eat shit

[Anonymous No.21725002]

>>21724998
>YOU VILL SIT AT THE DESK
>YOU VILL WRITE OUT LINES
Okay, weirdo.

[Anonymous No.21725005]

>>21724881
leftoid activists dont care about children or individual consciousness at all they just want to shove their own version of progaganda in schools which by this point are downstream from the media and electoral politics. common sense of education systems and psychiatry as social indoctrination is gone at the window because todays letists are mostly resentful bastards who worry first and foremost about tribal animosity and the possibility someone else has it too good( igettingless electroshocks than they are) If the state is illegitimate and institutions are racist isnt the way to go to dismantle those institutions? likewise for lgbt they are no longer protesting against coercitive social norms but pushing their own version of identity and psychological normality linked to its own forms of exploitation (le sex work). fundamentally its the same variation of paternalist ideology restrict people's freedoms for their own good, blur the line between caring for and terrorizing in order to exploit for gain. they tell you you have to be very afraid of the ''extremist right wing terrorists'' but ignore all evidence these are also a state produced phenomenon, because the state is always good.

[Anonymous No.21725006]

>>21724983
>How it was really just the rich who owned slaves and not "white people" as some kind of singular entity?
yes
>Because I feel like a lot of these details got passed over in my education.
because public schools in the united states are dog shit. that's not because public schools are bad but because there has been a concerted effort for decades to make public schools shit with the long term goal eventually getting rid of them.

[Anonymous No.21725007]

>>21725002
Boring and bad faith trolling is boring

[Anonymous No.21725010]

>>21725007
I mean, I am fucking with you, but I'm also correct.

[Anonymous No.21725013]

>>21725006
> because public schools in the united states are dog shit. that's not because public schools are bad but because there has been a concerted effort for decades to make public schools shit with the long term goal eventually getting rid of them.
Finally, someone who gets the whole fucking thing that’s been going on here. Just look at some of the scandals surrounding charter schools and how they’ve taught literal made up nothing classes and let kids sit in their rooms for years getting no credits with no care bcause they’re making a profit by keeping the kid in there. It’s vile.

[Anonymous No.21725020]

>>21725010
There’s coercion, sure, but that’s like saying forcing your kids to bathe is torture too. It’s dumb and misses the point of how liberating good education is for a human being

[Anonymous No.21725025]

>>21724958
also a teacher and enjoy philosophy, rec some intro stuff pls

[Anonymous No.21725030]

>>21724959
Critics of the NSES standards created by the FoSE collaborative and now being implemented in Illinois under Gov. Pritzker may have concerns about a 72-page manual in which the term “anal sex” comes up 10 times and the word “intimacy” only half as often. The word “gender,” for what it’s worth, is used 270 times.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire-family-pushing-synthetic-sex-identities-ssi-pritzkers

Scenes from drag events hosted across the United States in bars, clubs, and outdoor festivals have been even more shocking and disturbing: in Miami, a man with enormous fake breasts and dollar bills stuffed into his G-string grabs the hand of a preschool-aged girl and struts her in front of the crowd; in Washington, D.C., a drag queen wearing leather and chains teaches a young child how to dance for cash tips; in Dallas, hulking male figures with makeup smeared across their faces strip down to undergarments, simulate a female orgasm, and perform lap dances on members of a roaring audience of adults and children. Newspaper headlines have also announced abuses: “Tucson High School Counselor Behind Teen Drag Show Arrested for Relationship with Minor”; “Houston Public Library Admits Registered Child Sex Offender Read to Kids in Drag Queen Storytime”; “Drag Queen Charged with 25 Counts of Felony Child Sexual Abuse Material Possession”; “Second ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ Reader in Houston Exposed as Convicted Child Sex Offender”; “Drag Queen Story Hour Activist Arrested for Child Porn, Still Living with His Adopted Kids.”

The philosophical and political project of queer theory has always been to dethrone traditional heterosexual culture and elevate what Rubin called the “sexual caste” at the bottom of the hierarchy: the transsexual, the transvestite, the fetishist, the sadomasochist, the prostitute, the porn star, and the pedophile. Drag Queen Story Hour can attempt to sanitize the routines and run criminal background checks on its performers, but the subculture of queer theory will always attract men who want to follow the ideology to its conclusions.

https://www.city-journal.org/the-real-story-behind-drag-queen-story-hour?wallit_nosession=1

le turning the compulsory education system into a pipeline for the sex industry, replacing family unit with the state and mass media and individuality with a synthetic collectivist ''queer'' identity thats psychiatrically and pharmaceutically mediated

[Anonymous No.21725039]

>>21724986
>I also know most parents have absolutely no brain cells when it comes to interacting with school
Its almost ironic, the fact that they are that way because the school system failed them. Same with the teachers. Its a vicious cycle of apathy toward everything except the weirdest modern shit like distance learning and touch pad technology. I remember when I was in college many of the people early on were education majors that needed to be in the 100 level classes for their chosen field before doing their teaching internship thing and almost all of them were fraternity bros or their hoes who wanted to be teachers because it was easy and they would get the summers off. No passion or desire to have an impact. Just summer vacation forever. I know thats not everyone but that has colored my view of teachers. What do you think about Waldorf (Steiner) education?

[Anonymous No.21725048]

>>21725006
Violent, illegitimate and parasitical entities should not decide how children are educated.

[Anonymous No.21725058]

>>21725025
Rousseau’s Emile is pretty fundamental education phi reading and WAAAY different from the view of education that won out. Progressive education a la John Dewey is more how we do it and he has shitloads of texts all easy to find. Paolo Friere’s ideas of critical pedagogy in Pedagogy of the Oppressed are bangers too. I really dig Jacques Maritain’s ideas he expressed in Education at the Crossroads too—he was a forward thinking Catholic that melded a lot of ideas. Finally, reading Culturally Relevanr Teaching and the Brain by Zaretta Hammond can make a huge change in good thinking for the classroom.

[Anonymous No.21725073]

>>21725058
>Paolo Friere’s ideas
a literal communist

[Anonymous No.21725076]

>>21723632
Deschooling Society by Illich

[Anonymous No.21725080]

>>21725039
>all of them were fraternity bros or their hoes who wanted to be teachers because it was easy and they would get the summers off. No passion or desire to have an impact. Just summer vacation forever. I know thats not everyone but that has colored my view of teachers.
In my own EDT classes, this was my peers, although some were real nice, honest people.

Waldorf is a lot like what education could and should be, but the irony is that it pulls so much money in to be blocking those who most need it from accessing. If I could be educatjon dictatoe, this would be something I’d move us toward.

[Anonymous No.21725090]

>>21725073
Nah, but heavy influenced by socialism. Read the actual text and you see how pragmatic he was—not someone that liked systems and authoritarianism

[Anonymous No.21725097]

>>21725006
this is because you are obviously a cishet white dude and you are used to taking whiteness for granted and dont understand how central white supremacy is to american culture. fannon tells us that the process of decolonization is by necessity a violent and traumatic one for the colonizer as well as for the colonized. this is why educators specially queer educators,must play a key role in the process of decolonial healing. As a teacher i see myself as a healear as well as a counterterrorism counterinsurgency antifa operative. how can we prevent the horrifying events of january 6 from happening all over again. the only way is to kill the cishet white man inside the child and set the queer child free.

[Anonymous No.21725099]

>>21724958
>I know more than the people I've -we've- failed
uhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.21725101]

>>21725090
>critical theory
>not communist

[Anonymous No.21725102]

>>21725058
ty anon. I will put them all on my list, I appreciate it

[Anonymous No.21725110]

>>21724958
Yes, in all likelihood, any given parent is probably more intelligent than you, is more well read, and works in a more complex field than teaching math at a middle school level.

[Anonymous No.21725116]

>>21725110

[Anonymous No.21725139]

>>21725013
As opposed to public schools making up kids and classes for numbers?
Ghost students taking ghost classes.
It stems from schools having to hit specific numbers of students graduating because we need everyone to be smart.
Turns out the only way to make everyone pass is to remove standards.
It is why you have people who are illiterate holding high school diplomas.
Egalitarianism is the religion of the state, any failures of its predictions must be from not doing it hard enough.

[Anonymous No.21725162]

>>21725139
lgbtsjwtfnpc and teachers are basicallhy democratic apparatchicks, they aent even sentinent just a lizard brain that tells them to get the blue party more votes

[Anonymous No.21725169]

>>21725006
>there has been a concerted effort for decades to make public schools shit with the long term goal eventually getting rid of them.
>state wants to get rid of indoctrination system.
Lol no

[Anonymous No.21725175]

>>21725080
>some were real nice, honest people.
H yeah, I got along with the ones I got to know. The shitty bit is that they were going into the job for the wrong reason. Reasoning that will ultimately lead to the next generation of uninspired, under achievers who don't have any idea what they are capable of let alone what they want. Which will lead to more uninspired teachers because its one of the few carrier paths they "know" about.
I feel the same way about waldorf schools. The privatization of good education is going to be the final straw towards overt aristocracy in the US.

[Anonymous No.21725177]

>>21725162
what is this, the 2000s?
our ballot harvesting system of governance means they don't even have to vote, they just have to exist within the limits of an urban bughive for census purposes

[Anonymous No.21725186]

>>21725169
The state wants people to pay more to get indoctrinated. I wouldn't be surprised if that very thing is allowed to happen and "government subsidized loans" will be implemented so families can pay for bare minimum education while the government rakes in their debt payments. Either that or some kind of "education insurance" thing come along that goes the way of home owners and health insurance.

[Anonymous No.21725201]

>>21725186
The noble guise of providing K-12 education for free for the good of society will not be sacrificed for short term profits.

[Anonymous No.21725202]

>>21725139
The. There’s this asshole.
What does it matter to voting if one can read or not?

[Anonymous No.21725208]

>>21725139
Then there’s this asshole.
What does it matter to voting if one can read or not?

[Anonymous No.21725224]

>>21725208
>deciding anything by a mass vote

[Anonymous No.21725232]

>>21723632
I feel sorry for you OP, since I haven't seen a thread that has more people falling for obvious bait than this one - maybe ever. Let's hope it's just bots conversing with each other rather than real people.

[Anonymous No.21725235]

>>21725186
>The state wants people to pay more to get indoctrinated.
If government wants money they raise taxes. The indoctrinated masses are mord valuable than their money will ever be, so schooling will be kept available as possible.

[Anonymous No.21725245]

>>21725208
Well they can't take part in anything written for one.

[Anonymous No.21725250]

>>21725224
>deciding which of the oligarchs candidates you want to appear on your tv.
>mattering.

Direct democracy or bust

[Anonymous No.21725258]

>>21723632
This thread is a great example of why they need to add captchas to the 4chan pass. These bots need to be culled from any form of discussion.

[Anonymous No.21725263]

>>21725250
no direct democracy on stolen land: decolonization, return full soverignty to native peoples

[Anonymous No.21725273]

>>21725258
Me on the right

[Anonymous No.21725281]

>>21723632
Gatto is one of those guys that just blow you away with their breadth of knowledge and general sense of character.

[Anonymous No.21725324]

>>21725224
>If government wants money they raise taxes.
Not if they get too close to that revolution point they don't.
>schooling will be kept available as possible.
Schooling will be just as available under those systems as they are now. Especially if the government makes it so that not enrolling is a level of neglect that gets your kid taken away.
You seem to have a hard time thinking outside the box. Dare I say to a kind of state indoctrinated degree. This attitude is going to make it hard for you to see the signs when they come and help do anything about it. Just like they like you.

[Anonymous No.21725333]

>>21725324
meant for >>21725235

[Anonymous No.21725343]

>>21723904
>you think you are edgy but you are just parroting the hegemonic fascist reaganite neoliberal ideology
New pasta just dropped. Look up the word: "truancy"

[Anonymous No.21725372]

>>21725097
>this is because you are obviously a cishet white dude and you are used to taking whiteness for granted and dont understand how central white supremacy is to american culture
See this is just racist and silly. The latter point is makeable without the former.

[Anonymous No.21725390]

>>21724986
>I know that with the pay as shit as it is (in the US) there’s nothing attracting actual intellectuals to the field since they don’t really want to be on welfare AND dealing with kids and parents.
>there’s nothing attracting actual intellectuals to the field
>intellectuals wanting to waste time baby sitting all day
>kids get a whole new set of different teachers the next year and said teachers have a revolving door of kids they will never be fully invested in

lol. lmao even.

[Anonymous No.21725615]

>>21723632
You need to reframe this for your consideration. Modern education is against the previous generation's education style. So, you want to look into that. A lot of it is based on the Trivium / Quadrivium, but you'll have to "translate" some of it, because we don't do much with astrology.
>>21723791
But the kids who were home schooled come out better, in every possible way. Explain that.

[Anonymous No.21725632]

>>21724490
People are generally resistant to the idea that integration was bad for us. So much so that when they see pictures of the U.S. military pointing loaded, bayonetted guns at its own citizens (of which were women and students) they simply say "Oh they were violent." as if this were accepted, even if it were true. When you point out this hypocritical thinking, on either general liberal viewpoint, about the last few years (black lives matter, January 6th, etc.) they will simply call you racist or libtard and go back to their bubble.
Separation is the best starting point, but there is a refusal to admit the "great experiment" failed. For some reason, they equate this sentiment to genocide and I'm not entirely sure how they make these logical leaps, but I assume it's just overdosing on their own propaganda.

[Anonymous No.21725649]

>>21723807
Isn't that just an antisemitic schizo book that has nothing at all to do with education?

[Anonymous No.21725655]

>>21723873
I heard Simone and Malcolm Collins are working on an alternative.

[Anonymous No.21725837]

>>21724800
The average boomer would sign their SS check over to me if I phoned them and told them I needed it to save their closest public school, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.21725845]

>>21724915
>incel

Wahmen detected, leave immediately

[Anonymous No.21725849]

>>21724986
Almost on the right path here. Very few acknowledge the larger scale question which goes beyond the usually argued points. Post industrial revolution, have we structured our society wrong? How are we supposed to formulate an education system that works for everyone? It's impossible. Currently more money gets spent on retards and niggers, while gifted and above average students are almost an afterthought when it comes to funding and how much effort the rest of society puts in. American conservatives will consistently try to point out the failures while democrat voters just think even more money has to be dumped in.
The real problem is a breakdown from the parental level. Instead of a boy going to work with his father and learning things that have been passed down generations, the boy goes to some state institution while his parents wage cuck at the office. We don't want to talk much about this because it's uncomfortable and can't just be fixed by a bunch of goofy politicians. Both parents should start being useful to their family and community and maybe things would get better. Women should be home raising their children instead of dumping it on state run HR departments.

[Anonymous No.21725919]

>>21723904
>homeschooling will always benefit rich parents and perpetuate inequalities
Only thing of value you said. I have no desire to send kids to school so they're not indoctrinated to say Christian fundamentalism, only for the state to instead indoctrinate them into a tranny of PoC dogma, or whatever ideology, complete with its new class structures and taboos, you have in mind.
The general impression I have is parents want their kids educated without being indoctrinated by any ideology, and even if mild ideologies do inevitably sneak through, that their children can be taught to be critical of any ideology.

[Anonymous No.21725952]

>>21725919
Unfortunately, the lesson in all of this is that if you try for a "neutral education" policy, transgendered communists will use public schools to rape your children both mentally and physically.
The only option is for parents to demand that schools promote their values, and lynch any subversive marxist that tries to secretly go against them.

[Anonymous No.21726750]

>>21723873
In middle ages and renaissance the ideas were, wait to start until kids can sit still (7 or 8 years old). Their memories are good but not logical so start with fairy tales, myths and legends instilling morals and presenting examples of good character. Then history and languages, grammar, logic, rhetoric. Math and science were last after the kids develop an ability for abstract thinking.

[Anonymous No.21727400]

>>21725324
>Not if they get too close to that revolution point they don't.
Which is very unlikely. Revolutions usually are manufactured from the top.
I'm not sure how things work in US, but free education here is being expanded. Its to prolong childhood and make people learn helplessness. You seem dead set on money, which is dumb. Money is made from nothing and there is easier ways to get it than loan scheme. Far as I know Americans take loans to go to universities, but paying those loans is somewhat easy to dodge. Or so I've heard. On top of that you seem to have some sentimental image of school, and hiw nefarious people plan to ruin it, when schooling system was created and mandated by sych people for such people, not out of any ideal to help your common man.

[Anonymous No.21727531]

>>21725250
In a morally valid (voluntary) society no democratic decision could compel anyone so why bother with it at all?

[Anonymous No.21727539]

>>21723791
Ah, yes because everyone critical of public education thinks exactly the same.

[Anonymous No.21727561]

>>21723632
The Myth of the Common School - Charles Glenn
Education and the Cult of Efficiency - Ray Callahan
In the Name of Eugenics - Daniel Kevles
The Discovery of the Asylum - David Rothman
Quest for a New Moral World - John Harrison
The True and Only Heaven - Christopher Lasch
Strangers in the Land - John Higham
Albion's Seed - David Hackett Fischer
Fire in the Minds of Men - James H. Billington
The True Believer - Eric Hoffer
Tragedy and Hope - Carroll Quigley
Autonomous Technology - Langdon Winner
The Burned-Over District - Whitney R. Cross
The History of Childhood - Lloyd de Mause, ed.
America Revised - Frances Fitzgerald
Asylums - Erving Goffman
Escape from Freedom - Erich Fromm
The Road to Serfdom - F. A. Hayek
Piety vs. Moralism - Joseph Haroutunian
The History of Utopian Thought - Joyce Hertzler
The Uncommitted - Kenneth Keniston
The Professional Altruist - Roy Lubove
Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy - Joseph Schumpeter
The Legacy of Malthus - Allan Chase
Tomorrow's Children - Ellsworth Huntington
Sterilization for Human Betterment - E Gosney and P Popenoe
The Super Race - Scott Nearing
From Dawn to Decadence - Jacques Barzun

[Anonymous No.21727584]

>>21724803
Between Wikipedia and Libgen we already have that. People just don't care.
I'm at the stage of my life where I am considering having children in the near future, and I am wondering if it's even possible to give them a proper, well rounded exposure to art and knowledge without imposing my own views and bias onto them. Most teachers don't even ask themselves the question.

[Anonymous No.21727850]

>>21724797
Almost as if they developed an overton window in which the only accepted positions are progun/promilitarystate/honorable tax payer or antigun/prohandoutstate/honorable tax leech.

[Anonymous No.21727886]

>>21727584
As a parent, you have an obligation to impose your views on your children. That's literally what parenting is. Developing their own views comes later in life. If you're not going to parent, you shouldn't have children.

[Anonymous No.21727943]

>>21727561
long list

[Anonymous No.21727949]

>>21727943
it's literally Gatto's recommended reading list from OP's book

[Anonymous No.21727951]

>>21727400
>You seem dead set on money, which is dumb.
Im pretty much only talking about american public school and yes, americans are pretty much dead set on money and yes it is dumb. But if you think that positions aren't trying to keep their job (the revolution point I put in too grandiose of terms because I was drunk) while also trying to find ways to make them pay better as their highest priorities then you are delusional (though it could just be because you don't live in that system. But I do not have much hope that other systems aren't like this). Out right increasing taxes is a great way to lose voters. Slowly turning up the heat on the boiling pot of private education while making yourself look like the good guy for giving the lower economic rung a chance to participate in better education through subsidized loans, all the while pointing the finger at the "real bad guy", the private school owners setting the prices too high, is a pretty viable way to get people on your side while still taking money from them.
>Far as I know Americans take loans to go to universities, but paying those loans is somewhat easy to dodge.
Not if you ever want to own a home or get credit for a business. Defaulting on student loans kills credit scores and pits you on the radar of the IRS if you owe enough.
My view of what school should be has no bearing on the conversation. I agree with you that they are indoctrination factories as they stand now. Im just saying that there is more money to be made without jeopardizing that and that the government of america is going to try to make it probably.

[Anonymous No.21728416]

>>21724717
People in 1963 were like, "Hello, I am a weird, damaged hippy who takes shrooms, doesn't wear shoes and listens to non-christian music. I want to tell you how to fix society."