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>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>Archive
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>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

>> No.21694598 [DELETED] 

R. Scott Bakker?

King

>> No.21694604

is LOTR actually good or am I getting trolled like I was with ASOIAF

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>>21694598
Das rite

>> No.21694648

>>21694604
comfy english romp

>> No.21694654
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I just want to read comfy books

>> No.21694656

>tfw stuck on Cugel's Saga for the last month

>> No.21694669

>>21694656
I've been reading Shogun off and on for like a year

>> No.21694683
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Currently reading this. Great pacing and solid writting from what I have read so far. Sort of like interview with a vampire but the other way around with a man who fights for an order of Vampire killers. Also a bit of Van Helsing and that type of thing.

>> No.21694697

>>21694656
If a book takes more than a month to read just drop it, you clearly lost interest

>> No.21694767

>>21694697
I didn't lose interest in a book. I got sick and really depressed, so I lost interest in reading.

>> No.21694983 [DELETED] 

>/sffg/'s are slow threads on a slow board, they can easily last a week or more

>> No.21694988

Do you have different voices for different characters or do you read in the same tone for everything? For me, every character has their own unique voice and I can visually see their surroundings and faces as clear as day.

>> No.21695015

>>21694276
Bless you anon. Hellcats, Good Intentions, and Herald of Shalia caught my eye. Also Blue Core, but less for the smut part (I don't like tentacles) and more for the rest of the concept

>> No.21695044

>>21695015
>Also Blue Core, but less for the smut part (I don't like tentacles) and more for the rest of the concept
You should look up other Dungeon Core books then. There are plenty.

>> No.21695158

The writefags wouldn't be a problem if they posted good shit instead of litrpg and /tg/ brainrot.

>> No.21695165

>>21695158
The writefags aren't a problem. The shitposters screeching anytime someone posts something relevant to the thread are the problem.

>> No.21695173

>>21695158
The writefags wouldn't be a problem if they posted in their respective threads instead of contributing to the off-topic problem.
>off-topic is okay as long as I like it
Same problem you contribute to.

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>>21694576
I'm working on a story where the main comsic forces are Chaos and Order, each with positive and negative aspects, besides Moorcock's works are there any that do the concept justice, please? Especially in terms of mystical stuff, from what I've checked out so far Moorcock doesn't really do much magic that isn't pacts with spirits, Saga of Recluse was recommended but with few details, and the Chalion books were also mentioned, though that lacks a real "Order" based magic that parallels sorcery.

>> No.21695200

>>21694604
Asoif >>>> lotr

>> No.21695571

I've read The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, The Silmarillion and The Children of Hurin. Which more of Tolkien's/Christopher's works should I get?

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I don't get it

>> No.21695628

>>21695622
you had to be there

>> No.21695643

>>21695628
where?

>> No.21695658

>>21695643
Not where, but when!

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just ordered pic related because of the shilling in these threads.
if I don't get legacy of kain tier speculation on fate and free will then I am going to be frickin peed off, kay ?

>> No.21695689

>>21695165
>>21695173
Can confirm.
Bakker betas, Cradle cucks and Waddling Inn shitters are the real pox on all our houses.

>> No.21695743

>>21695622
It's dumb rightoid christcuck shit

>> No.21695790

>>21695158
How have we fallen so hard from the likes of Robert Howard and Poal Anderson?

>> No.21695806

>>21695743
Nice try, rabbi.

>> No.21695827

>>21695622
You need to read it multiple times and have at least a 110+ iq to get it

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What are some self indulgent, wish fulfilling fantasy or litRPG books with MCs that aren't caricaturesque macho men, suddenly good at everything, loved by everyone and full of themselves
Just a normal, albeit unlucky and a bit of a loser, inexperienced guy getting into some interesting situations, where he gets to grow a bit as a person but doesn't become a complete powerhungry bitter asshole
Asking for a friend haha

>> No.21695865

>>21695856
The Mask of the Sorcerer

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>>21695666
>he fell for the meme

>> No.21696010

Does /sffg/ even read books outside of the 10 or so books that get mentioned every thread?

>> No.21696038

>>21695856
Level Up series

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Read The Wandering Inn, Read Mother of Learning, Read I Shall Seal the Heavens.

Also read The Prince of Nothing, Neuromancer, Cradle, A Song of Ice and Fire, Hyperion, Between Two Fires, The Poppy War.

>> No.21696091

>>21696010
Anything outside the top series' gets near-universally shat upon and desecrated.

>> No.21696149

>>21695856
Shagduk

>> No.21696222

>>21695181
That Elric is WAY too much of a Chad, though. He's supposed to be a scrawny weakling empowered by alchemy and magic.

>> No.21696274

>>21695856
So you want a nice guy white knight coomer mc?

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I want to read Jack Vance's Dying Earth.
As far as I can tell it's a bunch of stories in magazines again - can I read the Fantasy Masterworks edition and get all of it or will I be missing anything?

>> No.21696429

>>21696405
And by missing anything I mean of the worthwhile writing

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I see there's a woman on the cover who might unfortunately be a POV character
is this worth reading?

>> No.21696469 [DELETED] 

BRANDO SANDO
BRANDO SANDO
IBA BRANDO SANDO
IAN BRANDON SANDOSAN
BRANDO SANDO

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Who died better, /sffg/?

>> No.21696561

>>21696274
If you wanna put it like that, sure

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>>21694654
Try this. Maximum comf. Unique setting, amazing prose, very dreamlike overall. MC is a cuck but still a very interesting and refreshing fantasy MC

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>>21696539
Theoden because dope ass speech
>a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

>> No.21696615

>>21696405
get the compleat dying earth book. Has everything it's like 50 bucks

>> No.21696698

>>21695181
>besides Moorcock's works are there any that do the concept justice, please?
Louise Cooper, she was a Moorcock fangirl.

>> No.21696711 [DELETED] 

>>21696453
>Post-2012 Fantasy
Uuuhhhh

>> No.21696718

>>21695200
That's not what Tom Shippey said. He said LOTR > ASOIF. I trust a fantasy scholar over a random stranger on the internet.

>> No.21696729

Where I can find a free science fiction novel.

>> No.21696738

>>21696729
blindsight on the author's website

>> No.21696740

>>21696729
Library Genesis. But shh. Keep it on the low. Wink. If you know what I mean. Wink. Nose touch.

>> No.21696793

>>21696405
>it's a bunch of stories
Not really, only the first book is like this and all the stories are interconnected

>> No.21696823

>>21696405
Fantasy Masterworks edition has everything.

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>futuristic setting
>there is a king or emperor

>> No.21696846

I just finished Goblet of Fire and damn it's good
Now I finally know why the bookfags claimed the movie was shit

>> No.21696856 [DELETED] 

>>21696846
>Harry Potter
You must be 18+ to browse this website

>> No.21696861

>>21696856
Yes I know I'm 27

>> No.21696867

>>21696856
>18+
one can browse this website the moment he turns 18

>> No.21696875

>>21696861
oh so you're just retarded, sorry bro didnt mean to insult you
sure these Happy Bopper books are fun amirite

>> No.21696884

>>21696875
Yeah they are fun, I really love reading

>> No.21697147

>>21695827
sounds like a cop out

>> No.21697158

>>21697147
Why? All good books should be read multiple times and filter out retards. It is not easy consumable slop like King or some gay litRPG. I don't want to be spoon fed.

>> No.21697167

>>21697158
there are plenty of masterpiece books whose value is immediately apparent. saying you HAVE to read it multiple times is a cop out

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>>21694576
Cibola Burn, The Expanse #4 - James S.A. Corey (2014)

The are four viewpoint characters this time. Basia, the father of a named character from a previous book, who can't bear to lose anything else. Elvi a biologist who is oblivious in conversations and has a lot of pent up sexual frustration, which is one of her defining traits, though it was removed in the TV series. Havelock is the former partner of Miller and a decent guy who finds himself in bad situations. He was the only one of the three new POVs that I liked. Then there's Holden, who continues to hold a high opinion of himself with thoughts such as "It was less fun being the chosen one and prophet when were violent and capricious and their spokesman was insane and powerless." His savior complex remains possibly his most notable characteristic.

After finishing I became ambivalent about the viewpoints. They allow for perspectives from several locations and from a variety of characters, but this viewpoint roulette hasn't worked out that well for me overall. I'd prefer it to be more consistent. Although this is ostensibly Holden's story he's always only one of the various perspectives, and his viewpoint seems to lessen with each book. I wonder what the intention is for that. Elvi is the first character to have more chapters than Holden and I wouldn't be surprised if that became the norm for the rest of the series. That wouldn't be problem to me as long as the other viewpoints were engaging.

This book is about colonialism gone wrong in the Illus Lithium Rush of 2355. That may not be the exact date, but it would coincide with what's listed as the end year of the California Gold Rush. It could probably be classified as a survival book because it's really just a series of crises one after another, in both interpersonal and environmental terms. I suppose that's also how the previous books are, but I felt differently about it this time. What I want from this series is a space opera with exploration rather than a planetary survival adventure. I don't care all that much about the protomolecule or any possible aliens. Maybe a lot of people do though.

What disappointed me most is how disconnected I felt it to be. I didn't feel that way while watching the TV series, which reminds me of how much more critical I tend to be with books compared to other media, maybe because I expect less. It's still a fun enough ride, and it has mostly followed my level of enjoyment from the show. All of this may seem harsh, but that's only because I wanted it to be something that I very much liked, but that may have been an unreasonable expectation. Maybe the next two books that cover the rest of the TV series will be better.

Rating: 3.5/5

>> No.21697224

>>21697167
I see what you mean. But maybe that means he is the GOAT, or maybe he is complete dog shit. This is the hyperbole when discussing Wolfe's work that creeps into many threads. Half love him and the others call him a hack.

>> No.21697257

>>21697224
what do the people who love him say is so great about him?

>> No.21697335

>>21696453
Don't read modern fantasy. It's all female power fantasies.

>> No.21697435

>>21697257
I enjoyed rereading botns for everything I missed the first time, it was a fun re read even though I had read it less than six months prior.

>> No.21697447

>>21696711
>>21697335
wait a minute, this appears to be a hopeful sign
" At Tor. com, Niall Alexander lauded the first volume's skillful use of fantasy tropes but criticized its "manifest mistreatment of women".[5]"

>> No.21697454

>>21697447
It has the potential to be okay then.

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Literary characters for this feel?

>> No.21697490

>>21696539
>>21696611
The entire passage is incredible

>At that sound the bent shape of the king sprang suddenly erect. Tall and proud he seemed again; and rising in his stirrups he cried in a loud voice, more clear than any there had ever heard a mortal man achieve before:

>Arise, arise, Riders of Theoden!
>Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter!
>spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
>a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
>Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

>With that he seized a great horn from Guthlaf his banner-bearer, and he blew such a blast upon it that it burst asunder. And straightway all the horns in the host were lifted up in music, and the blowing of the horns of Rohan in that hour was like a storm upon the plain and a thunder in the mountains.

>Suddenly the king cried to Snowmane and the horse sprang away. Behind him his banner blew in the wind, white horse upon a field of green, but he outpaced it. After him thundered the knights of his house, but he was ever before them. Eomer rode there, the white horsetail on his helm floating in his speed, and the front of the first eored roared like a breaker foaming to the shore, but Theoden could not be overtaken. Fey he seemed, or the battle-fury of his fathers ran like new fire in his veins, and he was borne up on Snowmane like a god of old, even as Orome the Great in the battle of the Valar when the world was young. his golden shield was uncovered, and lo! it shone like an image of the Sun, and the grass flamed into green about the white feet of his steed. For morning came, morning and a wind from the sea; and darkness was removed, and the hosts of Mordor wailed, and terror took them, and they fled, and died, and the hoofs of wrath rode over them. And then all the host of Rohan burst into song, and they sang as they slew, for the joy of battle was on them, and the sound of their singing that was fair and terrible came even to the City.

>> No.21697521

>>21697490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWxnHuVEwUg

>> No.21697530

>>21697490
Jesus fucking wept this prose is dogshit
It sounds like a teenager's attempt at sounding "epic"
>mighty and epic warriors they were, verily, with muscles ripplingly stauchingly, truely, indeedly, they seemed
Niggas read 1000 pages of that shit and claim its the greatest fantasy book ever

>> No.21697533

>>21697486
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

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>>21697530

>> No.21697542

>>21695856
First two or three Diskworld novels.

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Theoden KING

>> No.21697563

Would this be the place to ask for recs on adventure novels? I enjoyed King Solomon's Mines, The Lost World, and "The Man Who Would Be King" as a short story. I think I might like to branch into more contemporary stuff, as I plan to dive into Tomb Raider and Uncharted vidya, but as far as I care right now "English dudes discovering lost worlds of niggers and redskins and helping in civil wars" is a damn fun thematic setting.

>> No.21697587

>>21697563
How about some of the classics of the genre? Robinson Crusoe and Treasure Island are fun and similar to what you seem to be seeking.

>> No.21697624

>>21697530
Show me an good attempt at sounding epic then.

>> No.21697653

>>21697624
bakker

>> No.21697655 [DELETED] 

>>21697215
your """reviews""" are shit
FUCK OFF

>> No.21697707

>>21697563
Might wanna check our Burroughs' Barsoom series.

>> No.21697714

>>21697563
Read She if you haven't already, along with some of Robert e Howard's characters like Solomon Kane and el borak, but if you're looking for imperialist adventure fiction set in the modern day then it's a lost cause, the genre is dead

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Are there any books that do the concept of a wizard school like Harry Potter, but well?

>> No.21697721

>>21697563
March Upcountry

>> No.21697778 [DELETED] 

>>21696587
>MC is a cuck but

>> No.21697788

>>21697716
[insert generic litRPG here]

>> No.21697800

>>21697653
True. King Bak never misses
>But on wall and field alike, everyone looked anxiously to the centre of the battle line, hoping for a glimpse of the new banner that graced the threadbare standards of the Holy War. There! through budding grove or across rolling pasture, flaring in the breeze: black on white, a ring bisected by the figure of a man, the Circumfix of the Warrior-Prophet. The glory of it scarcely seemed possible …
>War horns sounded the advance, and the grim ranks began marching forward, into distances screened by orchards and copses of ash and sycamore. Kascamandri had ordered his host to draw up more than two miles distant, where rolling plain broadened between the city and the surrounding hills, knowing it would be difficult for the Inrithi to cover the intervening distance without exposing their flanks or opening gaps in their line.
>Songs keened over the throbbing of Fanim drums. The deep war chants of the Thunyeri, which had once filled the forests of their homeland with the sound of doom. The keening hymns of the Ainoni, whose cultivated ears savoured the dissonance of human voices. The dirges of the Galeoth and the Tydonni, solemn and foreboding. They sang, the Men of the Tusk, overcome with strange passions: joy that knew no laughter, terror that knew no fear. They sang and they marched, walking with the grace of almost-broken men. Hundreds collapsed, faint for the lack of food. Their kinsmen hauled them to their feet, dragged them forward through the muck of fallow fields.

>> No.21697824

>>21697716
Earthsea of course

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>>21697716
>A proper harry potter/xianxia fusion about fun school time adventures at the best cultivation school in the universe

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>>21697716
I got you sis

>> No.21697914

>>21697905
Why can't brasando write books without female protags

>> No.21697918

>>21697914
brandosando has repressed AGP

>> No.21697920

>>21697914
Women are the primary consumers of science fiction and fantasy. They have to self-insert.

>> No.21697943

>>21697920
Women are actually the primary consumers of DEEZ NUTS, NIGGA.

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>>21696587
>MC is a cuck
Any more sff books with this feel?

>> No.21697974

>>21697914
He read a lot of fantasy with women mc when he was young.

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>>21694576
As the soldier cautiously crept through the ruined building, he could feel the weight of the oppressive darkness bearing down upon him. The air was thick with a putrid stench that seemed to seep into his very soul, as if he himself was a walking rotting corpse of some sort.
With each step he took, clouds of dust billowed up around him, filling his lungs and stinging his eyes. He could feel the tiny grains of debris grinding against his skin, as if they were trying to burrow their way into his flesh.
The thin beams of light that filtered through the demolished walls only served to deepen the sense of dread that had settled over him. Their long, twisted shadows only seemed to close in one moment at a time, whispering of a wicked conspiracy.
Everywhere he looked, he saw the signs of decay and rot. Moss and fungi clung to the walls and floors, their tendrils reaching out like grasping hands. Trash and debris littered the floor, forming an almost insurmountable obstacle course that threatened to trip him up with every step.
As he moved deeper into the darkness, the faint sound of something moving in the shadows, a soft, scraping noise made his blood run cold. Was it true? Did the shadows really spoke to him, or was that merely a trick of his own deviated mind?

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>>21697991
He was no longer moved by courage, but only by the weak force of his own legs. He could not afford to give in to his fear, but the sense of terror that hung over him like a suffocating shroud made every step a struggle, every pace a heartbeat jump.

The door. He finally reached it. From the many that he passed through, this one has no intrinsic merit, no difference large enough to be noticeable, not destroyed enough nor well maintained. But this is the one. A single blink is enough for his distorted mind to see beyond the realm of what is, to what could be. and beyond that door, many things could be.

Blood spray out of bodies, hot lead traversed cloth, his rifle danced through the targets in the most sinister moves. Slow is fast, fast is slow - stop, look, listen, smell. He then opens his eyes, from what seemed to be a fever dream, a dream of what was yet to happen.

In a comical try to imitate his mind, he swings his rifle as he did so lively moments ago - Mistimed, misdirected, misguided. his rifle tangles among the threads of his own psyche. The reality of space, weight and skill crashes his momentary beliefs. Embarrassed, he tries to make up his mistake with an even larger one, as he foolishly bashes the door with his shoulder.

The integrity of the door is low enough to make even the weakest strike force it open, but his smile is quickly wiped out of his face as he sights the first silhouette. Completely exposed, he tries to shoot it as fast as possible, but rushing it only makes him miss the first shoot. Trying to compensate for it in the heat of action, he shoots it five more times, only stopping due the movement of the second in another room.

>> No.21698000

>>21697653
Bakker deliberate and intentional apes Tolkien tho. Thats literally what he goes for whenever describing the nonmen or 'iron men of the Tusk' fighting.

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>>21694576
Hey anon, it's me, the guy talking about having my fantasy races be aligned with two or three elements. I don't know if you saw my reply to >>21693334 in the last thread, but again, I was thinking that Air+Water could be merfolk with flying fish traits, or maybe amphibious merfolk in general, maybe a Dragonborn equivalent for Fire+Air, since I was planning for dragons to be largely non-sapient, and could the Water+Fire race being something like Nagas living on a volcanic island chain work? What do you other fine anons think?

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>>21697998
As the echoes of his gunshots faded away, the soldier's heart raced with both fear and excitement. Six shots - all he had, and he needed. Though the room was now clear, he knew that he had to keep moving, that there were still more targets lurking in the shadows.
With each step, he felt the weight of the darkness pressing in on him, threatening to smother him with its suffocating embrace. The stench of death and decay was overwhelming, and he could feel the putrid air burning in his lungs one breath at a time.

As he moved through the destroyed apartment his mind was a jumble of conflicting thoughts and emotions. He was both exhilarated and terrified, fueled by the adrenaline coursing through his veins.

In the distance, he could hear the sound of footsteps approaching, growing louder and more urgent with each passing moment. He knew that he had to act fast, that he could not afford to be caught off guard.

With a sudden burst of energy, the soldier sprinted towards the sound, his rifle raised and ready to fire. He couldn’t even see the silhouettes moving in the shadows before opening a burst of fire, taking two down. With the final one within sight, he satisfactorily squeezes the trigger, only to be left wanting in the most dire moment.

Feeling panic in its most pure form, he automatically grabs his pistol, shooting while running to the target in an attempt to mitigate the effective range, or better yet, his lack of aim.
Finally, the last room was within sight. Without hesitation, he enters, opening fire. The sound of the last gunshots ran through the ruined halls, cloaking the sound of his own footsteps that bolted to what was once a window, though, now, is completely covered, if not for a single point that light seemed to desperately fight to enter through.

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>Listen to Way of Kings graphic audio while doing shit around the house
>Huh, this isn't so bad, a bit cringe at times but the story is pretty reasona-
>Shallan chapter

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>>21698006
The light covered his face as if it was a spotlight, only to turn dark, the same dark that covered that damned building.

- Hey there fourth place!

the soldier took off his helmet in complete disbelief, his eyes still adjusting to the light

- no. Just… no. How?

- well Johnny boy, you just couldn’t beat the power steroids - he smirked, though his disapproval was visible

- I hate women so much, it’s unreal - he tried to laugh it off, but Johnny couldn’t wrap his head around it. This was his best time ever on the kill house, but not even on the top three? for someone that only stays at the bottom, he dreamed that at least on this he could shine - Anyway, who is in the top two?

- eh, the usual suspects. Look, Johnny, forget about this, did you put CQC in your second option? I’m sure we can give them’ classes if we suck the right people.

- Man… another year for combat? Jesus, I can’t do this anymore. I need to blow some steam, you coming?

- nope, I have some german classes to attend too, already missed 24% of them. If you wanna wait…

- yeah, nah, I’m going now. Guten Morgen to you I guess
- Do you even know - you know what, whatever. If you are going to the blue stripes, ask for the unicorn and pay double, they will know what to do. - he spoke as he left for the elevator - Godspeed!

>> No.21698029

>>21697991
>>21697998
based cold war weapon respecter

>> No.21698036

I just finished War of the Worlds.
So... his wife was dead, right? And he was seeing her ghost? No way could the ending be that fucking tacky.

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>>21698021
this is it for today. It is supposed to be one of those futuristic small communities that rotate work, but you need to train first, and depending on your score, you get priority. MC is trying to get a combat assigned, but a girl gets his spot due drug enhancers (I plan on they either killing each other or fucking) Any ideas, critique, or whatever is welcomed. thank you for reading.

>> No.21698065

>>21697587
I have read those, actually. I'm probably going to check out more "Robinsonian" fiction as well.
>>21697707
Will do. I was actually going to get into Tarzan first, but the John Carter stuff is on my list as well.
>>21697714
I was planning on She and the other stuff in that series, as well as the other Quatermain stories. I didn't mean "imperialist adventure in modern day" so much as "lost world stuff in modern day" or even simply "treasure hunting in modern day, regardless of whether adventures are in lost worlds." I can see how my original post allowed the confusion. Basically I'm looking for imperialist stuff and/or lost worlds and/or the prose equivalent of Lara Croft or Nathan Drake. Or I guess Indiana Jones, for that matter.
>>21697721
This definitely looks interesting. I may read the Burroughs Barsoom stuff first, just because I like to see influence at play. Well, I read Treasure Island with its parody of Robinson Crusoe before I read Robinson Crusoe, but afterward I've been trying to stay chronological lel

>> No.21698076

I rather be smashing up a Scav haunt with my merc buddies instead

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Bros, I'm tired of reading series with like 10 entries that aren't even finished yet. What are some good one-off (or at least short <=3 series) scifi/fantasy novels?

>> No.21698084

>>21698059
Tense changes, bad grammar (“did the shadows really spoke to him?”), unclear reveal at the end (no description of the girl at all, it wasn’t clear who he was even talking to), not a bad concept but do like 5 more rewrites.

>> No.21698124

>>21698082
The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson

>> No.21698131 [DELETED] 

>>21698084
english is my second language, so I will only review grammar after this first chapter is done. what did you think about the material though?

>> No.21698148

>>21697653
lmao

>> No.21698168

>>21698131
I liked it. I don't like the fact that a woman beat a man.

>> No.21698204

>>21698082
Remembrance of Earth's Past

>> No.21698218 [DELETED] 

>>21695743
Seethe

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>>21698082
these are comfy https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/16488

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factories and slave labor only

>> No.21698290

>>21698002
Imma keep it real with you anon, as much as I enjoy this type of worldbuilding, you'll probably get better feedback in /tg/ and one of their worldbuilding threads

>> No.21698334

>>21698065
Read Henry Stanley's book about Dr. Livingstone.

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>>21698065
Or check out old adventure magazines on Archive. They're full of that kind of story.

>> No.21698384

>>21698020
It was fucking torture. I don't understand how he can write a basically competent cast of characters then have this massive blind spot where the third main is an insufferable cunt. It's like some avant-garde metacommentary on "quirky" female characters, but done with total sincerity.

>> No.21698421

>>21698239
Peak 80s kino.

>> No.21698438

Who are some female characters /sffg/ likes?
Sabriel and...?

>> No.21698499
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Read The Wandering Inn, Read Mother of Learning, Read I Shall Seal the Heavens.

Also read The Prince of Nothing, Neuromancer, Cradle, A Song of Ice and Fire, Hyperion, Between Two Fires, The Poppy War.

>> No.21698517

>>21698499
>The Wandering Inn
I really liked the Blind Dude's chapters in the beginning of Volume 3. In general, the side stories (Blind Guy, Clown, Twins despite the POV characters themselves being pretty meh, etc) are really entertaining

>> No.21698518

>>21698438
I’ve given your question some thought and lamentably I can’t think of a single one within a scifi/fantasy context. Several I can think of that were tolerable but none that I can genuinely say I liked. Am I the chud?

>> No.21698520

Humanity should just detonate a bunch of nuclear missiles on Earth to spite the trisolarans
I'm reading The Dark Forest and I'm wondering why they don't just do that
Fuck the trisolarans

>> No.21698526

>>21698518
Oh I lied, Sam Vimes’s wife, the female warewolf, and the female dwarf in the city guard from Terry Pratchett’s stuff were all genuinely likeable to me. Phew, that was close.

>> No.21698535

>>21698520
Keep reading. It gets better and better and then turns to absolute dogshit right at the end of the third novel. Still worth it.

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>>21696222
And given the glowing runes, presumably this is him when empowered.

>>21696698
Never heard of her. How did she do things?

>> No.21698688

I'm 93 pages into The Judging Eye and I've just had an epiphany...

Everything that has transpired up to now, Kellhus' brother being the Shriah of The Thousand Temples, Kellhus' rise to the top of the Holy War and the Aspect-Emperor of the Three Seas, the birth of his children, EVERYTHING the "exposure" of the skin spies....

It's all part of the plan, it's not in service to STOPPING the return of the No-God...

It's in service to BRINGING ABOUT THE RETURN OF THE NO-GOD, ISN'T IT? The Dunyain are trying to bring about the return of the No-God.. aren't they?

It's okay, you can tell me the truth. I don't mind. One of Kellhus' kids is going to become the No-God, aren't they?

>> No.21698703

>>21694988
I don't get everyone having an "internal voice" when reading. The "internal voice" when I'm reading doesn't "sound" like anything, I just READ.

>> No.21698706 [DELETED] 

>>21695200
Truly the ZOOMIEST opinion ITT.

>> No.21698717

>>21695666
First series is pointless circle jerking. It's all just in service to "OH, NOES!! AWWWW LAWD, THE SECOND 'POCALYSPE BE'S COMIN' Y'ALL!!!!!"

>> No.21698724

>>21696729
Zlib has an app

>> No.21698734

>20,000 Leagues Under The Sea
>Large portion of the fucking thing takes place on a goddamned ISLAND

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT

>> No.21698747

>>21698734
>naked lunch
>they’re mostly fully clothed and there’s no menu
You can’t have it all anon. 20000 Leagues is still brilliant as far as I’m concerned, and you will never convince me otherwise.

>> No.21698752

Bakkers shit is proof that a story doesn't have to have a SINGLE likable character in sight to be readable. Not a single one of his characters are likable or even redeemable in the slightest, they're all fucking scumbags.

I just want them to all die slow painful deaths. Even Achamian is a fucking cunt.

>> No.21698755

>>21698747
Naked Lunch is a book about heroin addiction. 20,000 Leagues should be exactly what it says on the tin.

Faggot.

>> No.21698760

>>21698747
20,000 leagues is astonishingly boring

>> No.21698767

>>21698755
does the earth die in dying earth or is everything a lie...

>> No.21698768

>>21698755
You literally judged the book by its cover and I’m the retard?
>>21698760
Shouldn’t you be playing video games little fella?

>> No.21698769

>>21698036
It was a time when people knew what hope felt like, anon

>> No.21698778

>>21698769
Hope is as hollow as fear. Hope should be a fucking SIN. Hope is fucking USELESS.

FUCK YOU.

>> No.21698779

>>21696738
Thanks man

>> No.21698783

>>21698768
>>>Comparing a book with a purposefully ambiguous title that has absolutely nothing to do with the contents of the book to a sci-fi novel about mostly underwater shenanigans

No, no, you're right... I'M the fucking idiot. Not YOU. NOOOOOOO....

Suck my fucking COCK, idiot.

>> No.21698851

>>21698734
>Queen of the Black Coast
>Most of the story is Conan fighting a winged ape sorceror

HE CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

>> No.21698953

>>21698082
The Broken Sword
The Deep (1975)
The mask of the sorcerer
Little, Big
The Killing Star

>> No.21698968

>>21697530
Fucking filtered. It was nothing like your crude mockery. I got chills reading that. I feel pity for your shriveled soul.

>> No.21699046

>>21695622
What are you not getting? The book should start clicking after a certain point because you will be able to piece it together.
>>21697167
>there are plenty of masterpiece books whose value is immediately apparent
Nothing about the New Sun is incomprehensible and can be enjoyed and understood on the first reading. I'm not a native English speaker and had no issues with it when I first read it at 18 or so. The book is so full of content and symbols you are almost showered with them and you can get what is going on from those alone. The basic plot and structure is clear enough as well in retrospect, but not so much while reading because at those points Severian didn't understand many things either.

>> No.21699136

>>21698851
>LORD of the rings
>half the story is about some short fellas
shamboozled

>> No.21699171

>>21694988
I use the same standard voice. I could give them voices, but it would take way too much effort.
>>21698703
You might have aphantasia.

>> No.21699180

>>21698688
to answer your question, you must first ask what is the aim of the dunyain and what is the aim of the golden swarm?

the dunyain want to propagate a self-serving soul, ie, their soul should be the darkness that comes before, you can say that it is a closed loop of the purest sort without a beginning or an end, their actions and the feedback from their actions to propagate more actions is seamless.

conversely, what does the golden swarm want, their meat puppets are connected to a singularity-enforcing entity referred to as the no-god, they are slaves to a code embedded into the no-god carapace, they are thus tending towards a purely open system with no feedback, though the execution of the code till it reaches the magic number is vital to closing the outside

they are in effect striving for polarly opposite results (in a binary setting, you can say that the dunyain are striving towards zero, the golden swarm towards one)

>> No.21699199

>>21699180
also, to add, the survivor's pov is the most insightful to reach this conclusion, his take on the absolute that the winners of life are the ones who strive towards tending to grasp the absolute and not the ones who actually grasp it

>> No.21699210

>>21698706
>la innocent tiny people vs le ebil monsters
LOTR is literally a children's book

>> No.21699217

I've been thinking about the three body problem and I honestly really like the sophons
Is there anything in sci-fi similar to them?

>> No.21699229

>>21697490
>>At that sound the bent shape of the king sprang suddenly erect.
It's like I'm reading George Martin

>> No.21699235

>>21698438
Hello
I like Sansa Stark

>> No.21699244

>>21699235
GRRM was going to write ASOIAF as an jon/arya/tyrion love triangle(!?) but I think jon/sansa is more likely imo

>> No.21699256

>>21699235
Arya is better

>> No.21699261

>>21699256
Mesugaki

>> No.21699266

>>21699261
For me? It's Rebecca

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>> No.21699467

>>21699046
I don't "get" what's supposed to be so great about it. I'm not seeing these supposedly dense meanings that everyone goes on about; it's just a guy going around doing stuff. Yes I'm aware it's in the future.

>> No.21699494

>>21699467
The prose is magnificent, the world is strange but authentic, there's details everywhere, it feels lived in, Severian is a fascinating character. It's a guy travelling and discovering things alongside you, who is so good at recreating his own memories it's one of the most vivid reading experiences I've ever had.

>> No.21699502

>>21699467
I'm sorry, but you simply got filtered.

>> No.21699508

>>21699467
It's shit and you got bamboozled

>> No.21699521

>>21699494
I didn't find the prose anything to write home about, nor Severian's character. As for the world, it doesn't feel rich or "authentic" to me because it's just random weird stuff happening one after the other, not building a world through lore.

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wolfebros...

>> No.21699529

>>21699467
Wolfekeks are a special breed of retard, they're basically the bronies of sffg, just disengage and ignore everything they say

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oh boy the schizo is here how unexpected

>> No.21699540

>>21699494
I don't get this fawning praise of these books. I read the first two books, and they were middling at best.

>> No.21699560

>>21698065
>simply "treasure hunting in modern day, regardless of whether adventures are in lost worlds."
Try early Preston and Child like Riptide or The Ice Limit. They have sort of an Indiana Jones meets the X-Files thing. Early Dirk Pitt is fun if you want more action and an unreformed 1970s man as a hero. You might want to try some Michael Crichton if you haven't seem them all as movies.

If you like books posing as fact, The Sign and The Seal is a good one (journalist searches for the lost ark), as is Holy Blood Holy Grail (journalist searches for the holy grail). The Da Vinci Code was a knockoff of this last one, and was enormously popular but I didn't love it.

>> No.21699613

>>21698438
THE CAT.

>> No.21699681

>>21698851
sounds fucking based

>> No.21699746

>>21694683
>ASK ME NOT if God exists, but why he’s such a prick.
>Even the greatest of fools can’t deny the existence of evil. We dwell in its shadow every day. The best of us rise above it, the worst of us swallow it whole, but we all of us wade hip-deep through it, every moment of our lives. Curses and blessings fall on the cruel and just alike. For every prayer heeded, ten thousand go unanswered. And saints suffer alongside the sinners, prey for monsters spat straight from the belly of hell.
>But if there is a hell, mustn’t there also be a heaven?
>And if there is a heaven, then can’t we ask it why?

>> No.21699754

>>21699467
It's because every character is actually something else -- time travelers from the past or future, evil villains, aliens, versions of the main character, relatives, etc. For some reason people think this makes the story brilliant.

>> No.21699776

>>21699746
Kino writing. Really enjoying the book, the author has a really good writing style and the words just flow like water as you read them.

>> No.21699880

>>21699521
>not building a world through lore
Exactly, he is building a world through what a character sees and would see normally. People don't world build in their heads or in their memoirs, they experience it and learn about it and that's what you are getting. And none of the stuff is random, but it is weird as it should be. No point in having a completely mundane story with nothing extraordinary happening in a dying earth setting.
>>21699754
>For some reason people think this makes the story brilliant.
It's not what makes the story brilliant and it is not what can be said about every character, but it is certainly a fun element to the story as it is building towards a grand design of the man-made angels from a previous incarnation of the universe. A part of the appeal is how well-interwoven everything is and how the pieces click together for the reader during reading.

>> No.21700158

>>21694654
Just read Cradle if all you want is intellectual infantalization. That or Waddling Inn.

>> No.21700179

>>21698517
>I really liked the Blind Dude's chapters in the beginning of Volume 3. In general, the side stories (Blind Guy, Clown, Twins despite the POV characters themselves being pretty meh, etc) are really entertaining
Ah, a Laken enjoyer. I wish you luck in the volumes to come. Twins are indeed shit until V4, then the real Chandrar plotline starts in V6.

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>>21699521
>building a world through lore.
You are a Reddit content-head with a terminal case of videogame brains.

>> No.21700202

Retards here overrate wolfe because he's le hecking based racist tradcath!

>> No.21700239

>>21700202
I just really like his work. New Sun is great but Fifth Head of Cerberus and Island of Dr Death stories are spectacular. Those stories sff threads should touch upon more

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>>21699521
>building a world through lore.
OMG ITS JUST LIKE MY DARK SOULS!!!!

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>>21694576
Why do modern renditions of Sun Wukong have to be this uber serious action badass? Reading Journey to the West and it's the funniest shit ever with more potty jokes than Gravity's Rainbow. Do people forget how SOVL humour is?

>> No.21700288

>only reads 'traditional fantasy'
>can't handle more then one or two pov's per book
>must have a character (you) can 'relate to'
>no swearing allowed
>no 'good' characters are allowed to die

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>>21700288
Yes, good morning sir

>> No.21700381

Have any of you nerds ever tried to read a big book series without reading book 1? How did it go?

>> No.21700388

>>21700381
I read the entirety of Eragon series despite never touching the first book. It just went like that.
I also read some of Pratchett series in the wrong order, but it's not a problem sice Discworld is adequately contained book to book.

>> No.21700458

>>21700179
yeah , king of duels was one of the first times in the series I went
FUCK
YES

>> No.21700773

>>21700381
I read ASOIAF without reading book 1, because it was when the first season of the show just ended and I wanted to know what happened next

>> No.21700793

>>21699880
I never said anything about building it "In their heads". My point is that the stuff doesn't seem to connect to each other in any structured way, they're just random episodes.
>>21700197
>>21700249
It was the OP who said the world felt "lived in"

>> No.21700827

>>21700793
>My point is that the stuff doesn't seem to connect to each other in any structured way, they're just random episodes.
That's not the case. Notice that in this thread New Sun is on one side accused of being a bunch of disconnected episodes and at the same time having characters who at the same time are all someone else and relevant to the plot.
And it does feel lived in - every character speaks differently, understands things differently, but all in accordance to what such a person could know and think, there's a ton of detail, whole sections are established to giving a sense of history and scope. For example, Master Ultan, the librarian and that whole section gives you an idea of how ancient things are, that ages have gone past, that technology is no longer understood, that it is used, that humanity at some point colonized the entire universe, that Urth has gone through massive changes in the ecosystem.

>> No.21700927

Does New Wave Fantasy exist? I know New Wave Science Fiction is obviously a thing but I've never even heard of anything described as NWF before. If there isn't what elements would it include?

>> No.21700955

need more dystopias where the main male protagonists goes through a sexual re-awakaning arc and decides that just because he's 40 doesn't mean he can't partake in the gay parades in his local epic neon cyberpunk city.

>> No.21700957

>>21698438
Any universally popular female lead is going to be in the Sabriel or Cat Stark mold. If you have an 20-40 something female with big agency, she's either going to be a manipulating whore, unfuckable, or a gender swapped man, and any of those are going to alienate a lot of readers.

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>>21700927
>what elements would it include?
probably something something trannies

>> No.21701029

>>21700927
Asoif tier stuff is considered new wave fantasy tho

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TWI 8.75
First major complaint about this volume
The way the last ~10? chapters have been structured have been kind of a mess, specifically all the temporal and POV jumps between chapters since the Seam Walkers first are mentioned
We jump like a month back, go into a tangent with the Hectval war (good arc desu) and a bunch of Terandria chapters that themselves introduce a couple jumps in time that, in my opinion, made that whole part of the story kinda confusing and "clunky"
The big confluence of Wistram, Aliendamus and their Terandrian and Izrilian enemies hit like a wet noodle, even though if it's only supposed to be a prelude to the immortals clashing with them or whatever
Also, Pirate really needs to ease on the deus ex machinas. I can barely take any recent battles or tense events seriously from how much they rely on counter-leveling or random giga auras/abilities coming in clutch out of nowhere
Oh, and now two random Baleros chapters for some reason ffs wrap it up please

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>Tolkienfags
>Bakkerfags
>Wolfefags

>> No.21701296

>>21700927
Fantasy didn't need a new wave because it had a longer, more literary tradition, from Dunsany and Eddison to Tolkien and C. S. Lewis.

>> No.21701301

>>21701217
>Concurrent theme
>Fags
Now it all makes sense

>> No.21701459

>>21701128
oh there's still worse to come if that's your stance. vol8 was too long and the latter parts were a bit of a mess. vol9 on the other hand is solid so far.

>> No.21701660

>>21701296

MAYBE Book of the New Sun could be considered Fantasy New Wave? Since it goes in a lot of weird directions, breaks a lot of traditional ground, and is kind of a combination of both fantasy/sci-fi anyway.

>> No.21701672

>>21701660
It could, it is certainly unique, but new wave was a specific movement science fiction needed and fantasy didn't need. New wave was, to my understanding, not a coherent movement, but just an attempt to make science fiction into something more than hard science fiction. And many in the movement were also fantasy writers. Moorcock was a part of it, despite not being much of an author, Ursula le Guin as well. Fantasy took off earlier and died earlier than science fiction and today both are barren in terms of quality output you had during the new wave.

>> No.21701688

>>21697800
bretty gud

>> No.21701700

>>21699746
>give me a poor man's Dostoevsky with vampires lol

>> No.21701714

>>21701672
New Wave wasn't a "movement", it was just writers witnessing the ongoing counterculture and realizing they need to leave shit like Asimovs robolaws and other 50s stodgy gobbledygook for RAND nerds behind if they want to have an actual audience. It was a developmental stage

>> No.21701800

>>21696729
annas dash archive DOTCOM

>> No.21701802

>>21698204
try blindsight if you liked 3body it has a similiar feel

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>>21701128
>First major complaint about this volume
I admire your resiliance, Anon. Volume 8 in general is something of a shitshow, showing some of the best writing the story has seen at times (early Eldavin chapters or Hectval arc), but mostly exemplifying the author's flaws. The last bit part of Volume 8 is an entire circus by itself. To put it in perspective, Pirateaba intended to wrap up the volume by the end of the 2021. It lasted several MONTHS more, ending in May.
Volume 8 overstayed its welcome, at the point you are in the strain was felt by almost everyone. Even the author was getting tired of it, admiting he didn't spoke to anyone for like two weeks.

The entire volume is honestly a mess. Pirateaba overestimated his ability to juggle several major plotlines at the same time, resulting in a series of half-baked plots, constant PoV switches and overall unsatisfying events. Not to mention random retcons or straight up contradicting the previous lore.

Btw, you know what Pirateaba always complains about? Readers complaining about Deus Ex machinas. This is just how Pirate writes, not going to change.

The finale of V8 is a beast in and of itself, being the size of an average Epic Fantasy series yet still not big enough to contain all of the events taking place. Sometimes there is such thing as too much ambition, and that's exactly what I saw at the end of that cursed Volume 8.


Volume 9 is better though, still has many flaws that were made apparent by Volume 8, but settles back into more comfortable pace and setting. I'm satisfied with what it is.

>> No.21701832 [DELETED] 

>>21701700
>old LE GOOD
>new LE BAD

>> No.21701840

Do you jump from SF to SF or fantasy to fantasy? Or do you read a different genre in-between to keep it fresh?

>> No.21701852
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>Get recommended Dungeon Crawler Carl
>It's about some sort of super chad that has had multiple girlfriends
Dropped. I can't relate to the protag at all.
I'm gonna go back to reading about isekai mc's that get scared when a girl talks to them.

>> No.21701861

>>21701852
You're not really meant to relate to Carl's life, so much as his attitude towards the situation he's in.

>> No.21701866

>Carl is a cuckold
>no wait okay now he's a super chad who has had lots of girlfriends
>no wait okay now...
Where will newfags lead Carl on his next ficticious adventure?

>> No.21701868

>>21701830
>Readers complaining about Deus Ex machinas
I haven't minded them much for almost 8 whole volumes but idk, felt like too much for the first-ish time around this part of the story
And they're usually fun twists but they've just been meh at best and pretty telegraphed or too obvious to actually have a good impact
Too cheap!
The characters are losing all agency

>> No.21701882

>>21701866
Being a cuckold necessitates having relationships with women so he could be both

>> No.21701884

>>21701852
The bane of litRPGs
Either the MC is an ex-GI or he is a loser but becomes a giga ultra chad on the second chapter

>> No.21701902

>>21701884
Honestly I've seen more "kind of just some guy" becoming a giga chad. Losers tend to stay dorks, they just become powerful dorks. Ex-military protags... I admittedly haven't really read any besides DCC that has that, so. And he wasn't actually a fighter, anyway, was Carl, right? He was just a tech guy?

>> No.21701907

>>21701902
He worked in the Coast Guard then worked on boats afterwards, so boat tech yeah.

>> No.21701908

>>21701802
I hated both, but definitely agree that one who likes Blindsight should like Three Body as well.

>> No.21701918

>>21701830
I didn't mind , I rather liked it that they managed to tie up most lose ends for once in a volume.

Now , the issue with "Deus Ex machinas" :
I don't think it's that. I think it's the constant one-uping from all the relevant characters in a scene. It started (for me at least) with the Strategists at Sea arc and it never went away. It's the poorest writing the author produces.

>> No.21701929

>>21701866
Ask the author, he has his paypiggies chart Carl's story.

>> No.21701941

>>21701902
>Ex-military protags
Unless the author is actual ex military this is way worse than the loser protag start.
At least when the loser protag acts loserish it makes sense but when the military guy acts the same.

>> No.21701946

>>21701929
doesn't work like that. There's been like 5-6 polls total

>> No.21701971

>>21701941
I only tried to read... I think two ex-military LitRPG isekai things. Ten Realms and Battleborne. Ten Realms I just couldn't even stomach finishing the first book of, it was so nothing. Battleborne I at least got through book 1 and then immediately decided I didn't care enough to read anything else. I suppose I could also throw in some others I don't remember the names of where it's not quite isekai, it's more "normal ex-military guy in fantasy setting becomes part of superpowered group that has LitRPG powers" which is weirdly common. Also kinda shit because the sheer level of what the protagonist doesn't know combined with their actual abilities not mattering much means it's just... Eh.

>> No.21702018

>>21701971
I read the first book of Magnus on RR.
Eh , not my thing.It leaned too much into the new abilities and too little into the premise : experienced space mercenary thrown into a fantasy land.

>> No.21702032

>>21702018
Yeah, the problem with "experienced protagonist thrown out of their depth" is how does that fundamentally differ from "inexperienced nobody thrown out of their depth"? And the answer should generally be "experience may not let them know exactly what is going on or how best to handle it, but they have the mindset and general skills to be more competent on average", but that doesn't really come into play.

>> No.21702105

>>21701700
>Dostoevsky
More like Trent Reznor

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>>21694576
I just read the foundation series
>mfw
I used the recommended reading order, i'm not actually done with prelude yet
I ordered the Robot series but it won't be here for a few weeks
What can I read in the meantime? I like cyberpunk and have read Neuromancer. i own Snow Crash but want to read more of the genre first

>> No.21702282

>>21699217
Do you like vidya? The Sophons are a playable race in spacebased Civ clone Endless Space

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>>21702273
Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive are good, obviously they're a step down from Neuromancer but you'll probably like them if you liked that.

>> No.21702478

>>21696010
This past year Ive been enjoying a bunch of K.J. Parker, when gravity fails, random acts of senseless violence, the first fifteen lives of harry August, along with some gibson, pratchett, scalzi, dick, and Stephenson.

>> No.21702491

>>21702273
>i own Snow Crash but want to read more of the genre first
Check out altered carbon, thin air, the buyadeen trilogy, the burning chrome novella collection

>> No.21702498

>>21702491
Nuts, I always thought Altered Carbon was just an amazon series that seemed interesting and got shitty fast

>> No.21702516

>>21698082
The Worm Ouroboros
The Broken Sword
The Dying Earth
The Night Land

>> No.21702549

>>21698082
Inside Job
Mort
Early Riser
Stand on Zanzibar
The Earth Abides

>> No.21702575

>>21701217
Amagi takes on an entirely new light given Kanye's predelicitions

>> No.21702582

>>21702498
the book is better. The show added a weird plot about aliens or something for no reason.

>> No.21702592

>>21698438
Soulcatcher. Lady and Sleepy too.

>> No.21702620

>>21702592
If soulcatcher was male it would make no difference.

>> No.21702637

>>21702620
Maybe not in The Black Company, but it would in the South.

>> No.21702756

>>21700258
>Read Journey to the West expecting literary work
>End up getting comedic xianxia where a literal monkey trolls the entire pantheon of Chinese Gods until the Jade Emperor has to ring up Buddha for god tard wrangling

>Read Romance of the Three Kingdoms expecting literary work
>Instead get proto-Wuxia where everyone’s betraying each other, one character literally uses a stone to set up a formation that somehow btfo’s an entire army, and everyone badly

>Read Water Margin expecting literary work
>Literal Wuxia story about a group of guys hanging out, becoming bandits, casually becoming cannibals, which quickly snowballs into a rebellion against the government

The more I’ve delved into Chinese literature, the more I’ve come to realize just how many tropes and plot beats have been recycled by many modern wuxia and xianxia writers.

>> No.21702778
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21702778

How good is Guy Gavriel Kay?

>> No.21702783

>>21702778
DAMN he's good

>> No.21702798

>>21702273
I liked the second trilogy from the Neuromancer author. Especially Idoru

>> No.21702805

>>21702756
I only like Water Margin

>> No.21702958

>>21701884
Having had more than one gf in your lifetime does not make you a giga ultra super chad

>> No.21702981

I am waiting for the LitRPG where the main character acts as if they’re playing a game to the point that every other character thinks there’s something deeply wrong with them.

>> No.21703010

>>21702958
It does for me
But anyways, not really, but having five 10/10 women fall for you in the span of a week while you've magnificently conquered half a country kinda is

>> No.21703059

>>21702592
Mist is neat as well

>> No.21703064

>>21702756
Hah! now yuo have to read Dream of the Red Chamber

>> No.21703093

>>21702778
Check the reviews on goodreads if you want to know.

>> No.21703109

>>21702273
>What can I read in the meantime?
Whatever you like, anon. You're the one that's going to the read the book.

>> No.21703147

>>21698124
>>21698204
>>21698239
>>21698953
>>21702516
>>21702549
Thanks, lads.

>> No.21703162

>>21701852
Why do you need to relate to character at all? Just read the story. There’s no reason for you to even self-insert.

>> No.21703173

>>21701840
I read whatever I like and that’s about it. No need to be pretentious about categorizing it.

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>>21701840
>Start reading a book
>Get bored halfway through
>Start reading HP fanfiction instead

>> No.21703204

>>21701840
I read speculative fiction

>> No.21703224

>>21703204
So science fiction

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>>21703182

>> No.21703257

Quick /sffg/, name a book from the last 5 years you like

>> No.21703259

>>21700288
Sounds pretty fucking retarded. Except wanting to read traditionally published books. That’s the only smart thing there.

>> No.21703261

>>21703257
Why would I do that?

>> No.21703296

>>21703257
Why?

>> No.21703316

>>21703257
No, I’m not going to to that.

>> No.21703341

>>21697800
>no raging erect phalluses
>no mention of black seed from the rape-aliens
>no peaches to be seen
>nothing of the scent of unwashed anuses

wtf Bakker, this is a piece of shit

>> No.21703358

>>21703257
Why don’t you start first, fag.

>> No.21703367

>>21703257
Gideon the Ninth.
Thanks again to that anon a while back who posted the first line to call it shit, I never would have bought it if not for him.

>> No.21703388

>>21703257
Going to have to pass on that.

>> No.21703395

>>21696010
No, I’m fact, I don’t read.

>> No.21703398

>>21701840
I just read what I like, anon. I assume most people are the same.

>> No.21703400

>>21703257
Queens of the Wyrd by Timandra Whitecastle
It's like Kings of the wyld but with milfs

>> No.21703409

>>21696010
Yeah, I do, at least, never talk about them here since it would just be a waste of time, when I can just go to some fan website. Been doing that a lot recently.

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>>21703257

>> No.21703434

>>21703367
Good series, shame it never gets talked here.

>> No.21703454

>>21703162
Some people don’t have lives, so they liven it up by living through a fictional character.

>> No.21703465

>>21702778
Read him and find out, Anon. He’s famous for a reason.

>> No.21703482

>>21703409
Been doing the same thing, started visiting A Forum of Ice and Fire since trying to talk about Ice and fire here is just pointless.

>> No.21703486

>>21703257
A lot. That's for 2022. The year can be changed to whatever though, including 2023.
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=2023&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=sffg&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

>> No.21703487

>>21703482
Shame, can even make a thread about that book series without retards repeating the same old shit.

>> No.21703503

>>21703487
I just want to talk about books and this place isn't for it.

>> No.21703510

>>21703486
Hoping for more reviews.

>> No.21703523

>>21703486
Always love your reviews. Hope you keep at it.

>> No.21703526

>>21703434
I really doubt there could be more than five posts about it before shitflinging starts.

>> No.21703528

>>21703526
Which is why /sffg/ is such a terrible place to talk about books.

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>>21700288
>can't handle more then one or two pov's per book
With incredible frequency multiple PoVs are used as a crutch by mediocre writers to maintain reader interest. Chaining a bunch of cliffhangers together is far easier than writing sections enjoyable to read on a moment to moment basis or writing a plot that consistently unfolds whilst leaving the reader wanting more

>> No.21703537

>>21703526
Not to mention the untold amount of seethe posting when people are trying to use /sffg/ for book discussions.

>> No.21703538

>>21703257
I was going to say Thune's Vision, but that's from 2016, so nothing.

>> No.21703541

>>21703531
Hard disagree. The best fantasy was serialized in pulps with a cliffhanger at the end of every chapter.

>> No.21703546

Should I write a book or would it be a waste of my time?

The dragoness sat content on the cliff edge, basking in the sun and watching the world below. Taking notice of a mocking form below, a monitor lizard not unlike her flecked in ticks moving towards a colony of ants. As she stared, a surprise came upon her as instead of eating the ant that was walking on towards it, the little lizard let it be. Infact the reptile lowered itself as if inviting it to climb atop, and looked pleased as the insect desecrating it's scaly hide with it's body. And the dragoness watched unblinking as the insignificant ant started to dislodge and remove the offending ticks that dotted the monitor's hide.
The dragoness pondered about this for a moment, such a small weak food thing being able to help it's equivalent of a dragon. She thought
novelAI made this add on.
back on this for several minutes before coming to an understanding. It seemed so simple and obvious yet she hadn't understood this previously. The lizard had been kind in helping the ant with its mission, and had even made itself vulnerable in doing so.

>> No.21703551

>>21703546
Ask the writing general, you fucking retard.
>>21694175

>> No.21703554

>>21703546
We don’t give a fuck, return to /wg/

>> No.21703565

>>21703551
>>21703554
Lmao sorry mates

>> No.21703567

>>21700288
I don't think I've read anything with a ton of POV characters in one book even though it's something I like the idea of. Any recommendations? Not interested in Sanderson and prefer standalone or shorter series to unending epics.

>> No.21703568

>>21703487
A Forum of Ice and Fire is just better, and I love the theories they made. Makes rereading the series with those theories in mind, all the more fun.

>> No.21703570

>>21703541
Actually the best fantasy was...

(This post continues in next week's issue)

>> No.21703573

>>21703541
Over 90% of the stories I've read in pulps are self-contained to the issue, and multi-issue stories didn't do cliffhangers.

>> No.21703579

>>21703526
You'll be lucky to get even five in the first place.

>> No.21703601

>>21703579
I’ll be surprised if he gets two.

>> No.21703610

>>21703537
Makes you wonder why those posters are here in the first place.

>> No.21703620

Why don't they just plant more weirwoods to make use of the magical timber?

>> No.21703627

>>21703620
Read the books

>> No.21703639

>>21703568
Isn’t that place with the bolt-on theory?

>> No.21703642

>>21703486
Nice, Anon.

>> No.21703646

>>21703486
You the guy that manages the goodreads group, right? Why not stay at goodreads? Not trying to start anything, but it seems people here really don't like it when you do reviews here.

>> No.21703654

>>21703620
Why don’t you read the books, idiot.

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>>21703162
What's the point of reading fiction?
It's not productive or beneficial in anyway.
It's just for entertainment.
And i am most entertained when i relate to the protag.
That's why.

>> No.21703660

>>21703656
>What's the point of reading fiction?
To read, you dumb fuck.

>> No.21703662

>>21703656
>What's the point of reading fiction?
To read. Why else would it be for.

>> No.21703670

>>21703660
>>21703662
For such avid readers you sure neglected to continue reading my words in which i gave you the answer to my rhetorical question.

>> No.21703674

>>21703670
You’re personal answer was stupid, and pointless since many people don’t read to self-insert.

>> No.21703682

>>21703670
I stopped reading after you espouse dumb bullshit like not productive or beneficial since that's a shallow reason to read.

>> No.21703686

>>21703674
Did i say that self inserting was the point of reading?
You might need to work a bit more on your comprehension ability.

>> No.21703697

>>21703656
>anime reaction
But of course, you dumbfuck give the most idiotic answers.

>> No.21703705

>>21703646
I do what I feel like doing regardless of what anyone else thinks. There's nothing more to it than that.

>> No.21703707

>>21703639
Yeah, they come up with some insane theories, that are sometime backed up by the novels.

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>>21703697
Would you not agree that the main purpose of reading fiction is for entertainment?

>> No.21703719

>>21703712
Fucking retard.

>> No.21703720

>>21703705
If that's how you feel, then keep at it, just making sure you aren't wasting your time doing it.

>> No.21703722

>>21703719
You seem to be quite angry.
Perhaps you should calm down a bit?

>> No.21703740

>>21703656
>>21703712
There are multiple reasons why people read fiction. For children, it helps them learn to interpret and infer. For adults, it helps them in their creativity, and develop an imagination. It also helps people of all ages to socialize since with other people due to similar interest in the form of book clubs. The fact that you can't come up with that shouldn't be surprising due to the anime reaction images.

>> No.21703748

Does Rowling set up Harry wanting to have an Auror career well in your opinion?
I've started with the Order of the Phoenix and he seems to want to do it
What do you think being an auror would be like? I think it'd be less like a cop and more like a detective but you'd also need to have a lot of magical knowledge and the ability to defend yourself
I wonder which skills you'd need to be an auror, obviously you'd need to be seen as against dark magic but would you need to be very good at duelling?
Don't want your aurors being surprised only to find them gibbering and mad after being tortured for years

>> No.21703761

>>21703748
What do you guys think, with the world building of JK Rowling, would be the reasons for people to become dark wizards btw?
I'm trying to think and aside from mentally ill people all I can think of is wizard supremacists who just want to fuck with muggles
I figure these would be most of the cases

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>>21703740
No matter the type of book, if they enjoy reading anything at all, it means that they were entertained by it.
In the end, it all comes back to entertainment no matter how much you try to deny it.

>> No.21703776

>>21703761
>>21703748
Could have asked in the the wizarding world forums and save yourself the time.

>> No.21703777

>>21703740
I just read because I enjoy having images appear in my head when I read words it's a stream of images and also it's like I know the people in the books and I'm lonely so I like knowing people they have their own lives and I am privy to them
Books are better than film because you aren't dependent on reality but rather the images that appear in your head can be anything
Who the hell cares about creativity or developing an imagination?

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Boomers dont read
thats why this whole general sucks and we have pointless discussion everyday
You cowards dont even read

>> No.21703797

>>21703786
>anime image
>garbage comment that adds nothing to the conversation
like clockwork.

>> No.21703806

>>21703786
>anime image
>*clack* *clack* *clack* *clack* *clack*
like clockwork

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>>21703797
How many books have you read this year?

0, you fucking prick, you fucking coward, you dont even read

>> No.21703811

>>21703797
>>21703806
>anime site
>crying about anime mage

In addition to not reading, this general is full of newfags who don't even know this is an anime site

>> No.21703812

>>21703807
better to read nothing at all than to read the shit you call "entertainment"

>> No.21703817

>>21703811
99% of newfags here don't even know who moot is, let alone futabachan

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>>21703797
>>21703806
>>21703811

>> No.21703877

>>21703761
I can't believe I'm saying this, but this sounds like an AI post. Almost all of the "bad guys" in the harry potter books are exactly that, wizard supremacists, so why would a real person even ask the question? It just has that "technically correct without really saying anything" character of machine-generated text.

>> No.21703886

>>21703877
Because I want to know what people think about what kind of cases an auror would have to deal with
I didn't just say wizard supremacists I said wizard supremacists targeting muggles

>> No.21703890

>>21703886
>Because I want to know what people think
But there's better place to ask that question?

>> No.21703891

>>21703886
It really is an AI.

>> No.21703905

>>21703748
>>21703761
Aurors are dark wizards, and their main motivation is hunting down and capturing/killing other dark wizards who threaten their political views, same as any other dark wizard.
You can argue that their intentions are different, but their methods are basically the same, as are their motivations.

>> No.21703916

>>21703891
Oh wait actually re-reading my question I've realised I was asking a different question from the one I thought I did when I replied to you
I suppose a dark wizard starts by tormenting muggles in the same way that sociopaths torture pets
>>21703905
I disagree

>> No.21703917

>>21703890
Yeah, I don’t know why he’s asking this here.

>> No.21703995

>>21702478
Well done on not being part of the hive mind.

>> No.21704192

>>21703905
Aurors don't use unforgivable curses. They are bound by the rule of law.
In broader world-building terms, I imagine they serve important functions beyond direct law enforcement. For example, they would probably be tasked with containing non-human dark magical threats or fallout from spells and potions gone wrong that threaten the public or the secrecy of the wizarding world. Who do you think rounded up all the Dementors and got them to agree to stay on Azkaban island? Who do you think you call to deal with a bogart if Lupin isn't around? That kind of thing. Something between cops, animal control, and magical EPA. A little bit of FCC too.

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>>21703891
>retards here really thinking people would waste time setting AI to talk about harry potter or make ritual posts about famous books

i hate boomers so much its unreal

>> No.21704340

>>21704192
>Aurors don't use unforgivable curses. They are bound by the rule of law.
Totally incorrect, they're explicitly allowed and even encouraged to use unforgivables in pursuit of dark wizards.
As for those other tasks, those mostly fall to the actual specialist departments in the ministry. Aurors are specifically for hunting down dark wizards.

>> No.21704486

New thread
>>21704462