/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21679649]

Mahabharata or Iliad?

[Anonymous No.21679654]

>>21679649
Mahabharata sounds cooler. I haven't read any of them, tho.

[Anonymous No.21679659]

>>21679649
Anything Indian is just a complete turn-off for me

[Anonymous No.21679663]

>>21679649
Aeneid

[Anonymous No.21679669]

why do all the human characters in hindu mythology not look like modern day indians whatsoever

[Anonymous No.21679677]

>>21679649
Iliad. Haven't read the masabahata or whatever and I'm not going to.

[Anonymous No.21679704]

mahabarata is a bloated mess but still has better plot, characters, themes, memorable moments and badass shit in general than fucking illiad

[Anonymous No.21679765]

>>21679649
Iliad. But Odyssey BTFO both.

[Anonymous No.21679779]

>>21679649
Mahabharata

[Anonymous No.21679871]

>>21679669
Because indians today are the lower caste that isn't responsible for that culture of the past

[Anonymous No.21679882]

>>21679649
Romance of the Three Kingdom

[Anonymous No.21679885]

>>21679669
ancient aryans

[Anonymous No.21679898]

>>21679649
prose edda

[Anonymous No.21679945]

>>21679669
>>21679871

Greek Description of india:
"The southern Indians resemble the Ethiopians a good deal, and, are black of countenance, and their hair black also, only they are not as snub-nosed or so woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; but the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians in appearance."
"No Indian ever went outside his own country on a warlike expedition, so righteous were they."
"Indians do not put up memorials to the dead; but they regard their virtues as sufficient memorials for the departed, and the songs which they sing at their funerals."
"This also is remarkable in India, that all Indians are free, and no Indian at all is a slave. In this the Indians agree with the Lacedaemonians. Yet the Lacedaemonians have helots for slaves, who perform the duties of slaves; but the Indians have no slaves at all, much less is any Indian a slave."
"The Indians generally are divided into seven castes, the wise men, farmers, herdsmen, artisans and shopkeepers, soldiers, overlookers, and government officials including army and navy officers."
"The Indians in shape are thin and tall and much lighter in movement than the rest of mankind."

[Anonymous No.21679960]

>>21679871
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Krishna is literally described as dark skinned

[Anonymous No.21680073]

On a philosophical level Mahabharat is probably the best out of all the epics. If you're a plotfag go for Iliad, although the former does have a cleaned up 800-page version. Iliad is also pretty much required reading so there's that. Just read both.

[Anonymous No.21680087]

>>21679649
Mahabharata has kickin song and dance numbers

[Anonymous No.21680277]

>>21679945
I always thought ancient Egyptians looked a lot like Brahmins and Rajputs/Kshatriyas.

[Anonymous No.21680335]

>>21679945
Lacedaemonians and Indian ruling caste were the same people

[Anonymous No.21680354]

>>21679960
The only thing most of this kind of retards on 4chan know is the 200 years old colonial cope and larp about some "Aryan invasion" and Stormfront we wuz larp.

[Anonymous No.21680395]

>>21679654
this

[Anonymous No.21680429]

>>21679649
Odyssey

[Anonymous No.21680434]

>>21680087
There is actually an 80 episode TV show recreation of those available on YouTube from the 80s but there is no way I am sitting through all that.

[Anonymous No.21680435]

>>21679704
havent read that indian schlop but how can you say that the Illiad is surpassed in badass shit? could you define badass shit?

[Anonymous No.21680481]

>>21680435
Because of having a complex plot and philosophical underpinnings, and not shying away from over the top fantastical shit, you end up with these character moments and carefully composed imagery that'll haunt you for the rest of your life. It's total tragedy and destruction, a beautiful trainwreck mimicking the downfall of humanity.
Iliad is mostly just greeks glorifying themselves and how heroic and badass they are, which ultimately comes off as shallow. Mahabharata feels like an epic that's a deconstruction of epics like iliad.

[Anonymous No.21680667]

>>21680481
>Mahabharata feels like an epic that's a deconstruction of epics like iliad.
sounds like trash

[Anonymous No.21680682]

>>21679649
The Iliad

[Anonymous No.21680776]

>>21680667
Only if you're low-T.

[Anonymous No.21681267]

>>21679669
Today's Indians are macedonian rape babies the same way today's fingols are mongolian rape babies

[Anonymous No.21681359]

>>21679669
"India" is a Persian exonym and the subcontinent is made up of a plethora of races and linguistic groups

[Anonymous No.21681480]

>>21680087
Found the American

[Anonymous No.21681575]

>>21679649
Whoever recommended me to read The Iliad before Plato, I will come to your house and fuck you in the ass, you faggot

[Anonymous No.21681816]

>>21679669
Image the wheel of Dharma
The cycle of life and reincarnation, Karmic Justice
In this image of allegory you have what a human is to a ant. But you also have what a human is to a Deva, which is the same scale. And what a Deva is to the Buddha in Buddhism, which is the same scale.

That is the tradition it hinges on.

[Anonymous No.21681829]

>>21681575
The Iliad is a snore but it is necessary at least to understand certain dialogues such as Lesser Hippias. Honestly, a basic understanding of who Achilleus and Odysseus are would suffice.

[Anonymous No.21681880]

Odysse is just woke transgender-feminism propaganda

[Anonymous No.21682030]

>>21681480
India is known for having song and dance numbers in their films.

[Anonymous No.21682079]

>>21680354
They simply can't deal with the fact that non-whites made something good. It shatters their colonial paradigm that they are the civilisers of this world and thus have rights over our land and resources

[Anonymous No.21682341]

>>21681829
Worst part is that I don't even want to start with Plato anymore. Think I will skip to Decartes or maybe Aristotle's ethics

[Anonymous No.21682363]

Egypt was inhabited by mediterraneans; revisionsts say niggers
China was inhabited by true hans;
revisionsts say qing rapebabies
India was inhabited by aryans
revisionsts say poojeets

It happens again and again. America or UK is next. They will revise history then too and say that niggers/spics built those countries.

[Anonymous No.21682366]

>>21682030
It depends.
masala movies definitely have them
A lot of Tamil films I've recently watched had no dance numbers(karnan, asuran, kadaisi vivasayi, vikram, writer, doctor, maanadu only had one etc). I guess there are two sides to tamil industry, one which follows the traditional mainstream Indian masala tropes and then there're directors like vetrimaaran, mysskin, selvaraj etc who want to change the mainstream expectations
Then there are Malayalam movies which are nothing like other Indian films with their naturalistic acting and indie movie tier scripts.
Bollywood(Hindi industry) is a dying industry. Almost all big budget movies it churned out last year were massive failures(dhaakad lol). I don't like bollywood and nothing good came out in the recent years other than newton, manto, sardar udam, andhadhun(coincidentally all of them have no dance numbers lol). It's not being replaced by tollywood garbage.

[Anonymous No.21682371]

>>21679669
They look exactly like that. Krishna basically means dark. Somehow he's turned into avatar man because of one description that he looks like a blue cloud. But others pretty much are actual representation

[Anonymous No.21682373]

>>21682363
Indus valley had nothing to do with Aryans

[Anonymous No.21682378]

>>21682366
It's now* being replaced by tollywood garbage.

[Anonymous No.21682383]

>>21679659
this

[Anonymous No.21682413]

>>21682366
>newton
https://youtu.be/OWrcq7zFY_8
It was pretty comfy considering the context...

[Anonymous No.21682501]

>>21679649
Iliad is the most boring thing ever written so the other one has to be better

[Anonymous No.21683606]

Illiad got me into reading literature.
How would you even go about reading the Mahabharata? I've read part of the Bhagavad-Gita. I'm guessing an abridged version?

[Anonymous No.21683763]

>>21679649
Neither.

[Anonymous No.21683784]

>>21682501
>Iliad
>boring
What? How is it boring

[Anonymous No.21683900]

>>21683784
he got filtered by the boat part

[Anonymous No.21683995]

>>21682079
>our
found the subhuman

[Anonymous No.21684000]

>>21679649
Mahabharata by far. The Iliad is just...bad, like reeeeally bad.

[Anonymous No.21684771]

>>21683900
There aren't that many boats in Mahabharata you know.

[Anonymous No.21684798]

>>21682366
Isn’t RRR bollywood?

[Anonymous No.21684800]

>>21684798
It's tollywood(Telugu film)
They are the pioneers of modern masala

[Anonymous No.21684818]

>>21683606
What do you mean how would you read i? Just start reading it.

[Anonymous No.21684827]

>>21679649
>Then Polybius son of Atribeus thrust with his spear and pierced Agamytros son of Hellakylos below the nipple and he fell to the ground clawing at dust (x 1000)

>And Rajagalapochari son of Devagunga shot ten thousand arrows with Spitamatrishma (his magical bow) and killed ten thousand Karakshamratkas (x 1000)

They're both prettt formulaic

[Anonymous No.21684881]

>>21683995
very rude

[Anonymous No.21684898]

>>21679649
Half the cast of the illiad are outright gay. How many gays are in Mahabharata

[Anonymous No.21685485]

>>21684898
A whole clan of guys share one wife, sounds pretty gay.

[Anonymous No.21685493]

>>21684898
But that‘s wrong

[Anonymous No.21685524]

>>21685493
Yeah, Homer even goes out of his way to say that Achilles and Patroclus sleep on opposite sides of the tent.

[Anonymous No.21685917]

Don't listen to zoomers with shot attention spans when it comes to anything longer than 200 pages. Both are incredible reads and we're privileged to have them survive. Just enjoy them.

[Anonymous No.21686232]

>>21680073
>cleaned up 800-page version
Where could I find this?

[Anonymous No.21686238]

>>21686232
Penguin Classics. Most of the really long, old classic books that go into Tl;dr territory, Penguin Clasics releases in abridged versions.

[Anonymous No.21686268]

>>21686238
Thank you for the suggestion. By chance, are you familiar with the unabridged version as well? How much will I miss with penguin's version?

Recently I've read Oxford world classics' Le Morte d'Arthur, which has minor abridgements, and with hindsight I ended up regretting it.

[Anonymous No.21686280]

>>21680335
No? The Greeks were pushed out of India by the Mauryas, and even then only occupied Sindh and parts of the Punjab. The Bactrian Greek kingdoms arrive later, rule only a section of India, and were likely mixed.

[Anonymous No.21686285]

>>21686280
Invading Greeks were also not even Lacedaemonian, Alexander never ruled Sparta.

[Anonymous No.21686331]

>>21679669
Because modern Indian fashion sense is absolutely abhorrent. Indians can look like they look in old artwork, they simply choose to have moustaches and awful haircuts and get fat.

[Anonymous No.21686549]

>>21679649
I hate pajeets more than any other group of people so fuck them

Illiad

[Anonymous No.21687106]

>>21679659
that's just racist at this point. Completely insulting one of the oldest civilization, which did not get islamacized or christianized unlike Egypt or Greece

[Anonymous No.21687472]

>>21686268
Penguin also has an unabridged version, it's fucking massive, 10 volumes.

I doubt you're missing much from Le Mort d'Arthur, I read an unabridged version from Wordsworth and the jousting tournements are incredibly long and tedious so imagine those were cut down
>Sir What-his-face and Sir Thingy ran their horses together like thunder and Sir Thingy brast his spear and knocked Sir Whats-his-face to the ground (repeat for another 500 knights).

[Anonymous No.21687481]

>>21686331
thats the anglo influence.