/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21677984]

This is really good writing btw

[Anonymous No.21677991]

>>21677984
DC & Marvel are for soi boys. No one who has balls or a brain reads them. If you want to read comics, read manga or French comics

[Anonymous No.21678024]

>>21677984
It's funny to me that 'comic book fans' still pretend that their media has any kind of cultural influence despite manga outselling them domestically by several orders of magnitude.

[Anonymous No.21678029]

>>21678024
The older books are still decent. As much of a homo Alan Moore is, Watchmen is great

[Anonymous No.21678039]

>>21677984
The pretense that liberal ramblings about their unjustified moral claims are in some way or form more substantial than /pol/tardism is what gets me. These people are literally unable to self-reflect.

[Anonymous No.21678060]

>>21677984
cemsoring is le good
>>21678024
>marvel comics dont have any cultural impact even though they sell a lot
>manga has more cultural impact, because it sells even more
?

[Anonymous No.21678061]

>>21677984
All this does is show that the writer is incapable of understanding his opponents argument to the point he cant even imitate it in dialogue. Instead of presenting the opposing argument and letting it be criticized or deconstructed through responding dialogue or the story itself he just censors it completely.
Can you imagine watching Apocalypse Now if every line Kurtz had was "Traumatic experience, deranged conclusion, I am hurt" which unironically would still be a better line of dialogue than what OP posted.
Imagine if you bought a book and found the 3rd chapter missing and replaced with "VILLAIN DIALOGUE (THE BAD GUY IS SCHEMING)" written in bold text across every page.

[Anonymous No.21678065]

>>21678024
What's a good manga?

[Anonymous No.21678067]

>>21678060
>>marvel comics dont have any cultural impact even though they sell a lot
one volume of one manga outsold the entire american comic book industry last year
Capeshit is DONEZO

[Anonymous No.21678070]

>>21678065
Vagabond

[Anonymous No.21678073]

>>21678065
wild adapter by minekura

[Anonymous No.21678075]

>>21678065
Fourteen by Umezu

[Anonymous No.21678078]

>>21678060
>marvel comics sell a lot

[Anonymous No.21678081]

>>21678065
Girls' Last Tour

[Anonymous No.21678082]

>>21678070
>>21678073
>>21678075
Thanks. How do you guys read them? Do you order the physical books or do you pirate? If so, what do you read them on? E-reader/tablet/computer/phone?

[Anonymous No.21678093]

>>21678082
I use Tachiyomi on my android tablet. It supports extensions pretty much every manga sharing site, I primarily use the mangadex extension.

[Anonymous No.21678095]

>>21678082
you can just read them online

[Anonymous No.21678098]

>>21677984
>>/co/

[Anonymous No.21678106]

>>21678093
>>21678095
can you guys post or hint to good sources or would that trigger jannies?

[Anonymous No.21678107]

>>21678075
I lost my sides when the first lady told the president to legalize weed in the middle of the fucking end of the world.

[Anonymous No.21678114]

>>21678039
he atleast /pol/tard are know what is in their own interest.

[Anonymous No.21678118]

>>21678061
This is a part of the declining IQ of academia in the West. It is hard for people to repeat or even hear different opinions without having to subscribe to those opinions themselves. People who "refuse to give a platform for racists" are terrified that if they do, they will become a fascist by osmosis. Used to, not so long ago, people could give voice to opinions they disagree with. The fact that writers today can't even bring themselves to literally villify an opinion they disagree with is depressing. They just have to pretend there enemies don't exist. Suppression of opinions is what gives those opinions unearned strength by being shocking.
Someone who says I need to wear a literal tinfoil hat in order to not have my thoughts intercepted by the FBI or whatever is not someone I would normally take seriously. But then if they get cancelled for it, I become suspicious of the government creating the censorship lol. Or if a writer writes "conspiratory platitudes", it makes me want to figure out what those supposed platitudes are

[Anonymous No.21678119]

>>21678106
just google title + read online
different sites have different libraries and some manga are rarer than others. kinda depressed that i have to explain this.

[Anonymous No.21678130]

>>21678119
I thought maybe there was some renowned hub that is superior to others that a noob doesn't know about, kind of like how people new to pirating books don't know about libgen and stuff.

[Anonymous No.21678132]

/pol/ btfo

[Anonymous No.21678139]

oi vey

[Anonymous No.21678140]

>>21678132
Projection methinks

[Anonymous No.21678150]

Someone post that comic book page with the glow kkk guys saying "boy, I do hate niggers!"
I think about it time to time and even say it out loud kek

[Anonymous No.21678160]

>>21678118
I want to add that it is possible that the script writer for the comic (a lot of comic book dialogue is actually written after the artwork is drawn) may also fear that his opponents argument is correct, which in essence proves that he is intellectually incapable of defending his own argument and would prefer to remain in a state of willful ignorance rather than face the uncomfortable truth of being wrong for once. This proves that he is likely an even bigger dimwit than first thought.

[Anonymous No.21678163]

>>21678132
>>21678139
You should see what the guy that wrote and drew this looks like IRL. He is the basedjak in the image.

[Anonymous No.21678179]

>>21678132
K D Lang is not taking any shit.

[Anonymous No.21678202]

>>21678065
YuruYuri

[Anonymous No.21678207]

>>21678130
I think all the ebin secret clubs got annihilated by third worlders openly and vigorously sharing translated manga.

[Anonymous No.21678229]

It's perplexing to me how these people think.
As if there isn't a single cogent argument that a racist or nationalist could ever make, at any point in time, with any value, despite the society they live in (the comfort of which they are a symptom of) arising out of millenia of both these things.

[Anonymous No.21678230]

>>21678150
Turns out that and the "where the fuck is your chin" are from the same comic book and same scene, the more you know.

The KKK guys also shit their pants during the scene and sniff bicycle seats. It's quite subtle.

[Anonymous No.21678241]

1. >>>/co/
2. Do they not realize that by reducing villains to strawmen, in the purest sense of the term, they're perpetuating the notion that comics as a medium are for children and intellectually inept manchildren? This is effectively preventing readers from even having the option to think critically about this stuff.

[Anonymous No.21678255]

Why is it that liberals require an apparatus of state-enforced censorship to keep their 'objective' theories afloat? Where the fuck is your chin?

[Anonymous No.21678261]

>>21678060
>marvel comics dont have any cultural impact even though they sell a lot
Lmao.

[Anonymous No.21678263]

>>21678118
As much as I hate boomer faggots I will concede their generation was a lot more based than ours in the fact that people who were literal children of victims of the holocaust were willing to defend the rights of wignats for freedom of speech because they understood trusting government as an arbiter of speech is fucking retarded. So for some reason people whose parents survived the holocaust If it didn't happen the nazis are even more stupid than they already were, because they identified the juden as responsible for everything and they didn't try and get rid of them? Gimme a fucking break, or who fought fascism or dealt with real nigger hours jim crowe shit are more stoic in the face of bigotry than people for whom the primary interaction with racism was
>someone told me my ethnic lunch was smelly :(((
>someone said I looked like a cartoon character :'(
Or they got called a nigger on xbox live.

But yeah make memes with a talking frog and an old mcdonalds mascot and all of a sudden these miserable little shits cry for daddy gubment to censor wrongthink.

[Anonymous No.21678277]

>>21678263
speaking of which where the fuck do you download moonman songs anymore? even bitchute bans them. like what in the absolute fuck

[Anonymous No.21678295]

>>21678277
Never was a big moonman fan, but if I were you I'd try odyssey or telegram

[Anonymous No.21678361]

>>21678241
you're not allowed to talk about comics on /co/

[Anonymous No.21678370]

>>21678263
It didnt happen and it was the Boomer generation that first campaigned for censorship according to their own moronic beliefs.

[Anonymous No.21678379]

>>21678241
What's more amusingly tragic is they are cargo cultists who love well written villains but just can't do it themselves. They love villains more than they like heroes, but they cannot actually have the empathy to put themselves in someone else's position to write a villain. Since they cannot do that the end result is all they can write is their own opinion or a caraciture of an opponent, and if it is their own opinion then it's not the villain or it's a
>the villain is actually the hero
sUbVeRsIoN.

[Anonymous No.21678384]

>>21678024
Manga is absolute garbage. Theres only one good manga out there which I shall not name but the rest are literally the same exact story about an edgy teenager having a harem, saving the world, and excessive gore. Its also very morally perverse and subtley filled with japanese culture and mannerisms - The humor, dialogue, etc.

Berserk, vagabond, shonen, etc are all garbage and only appeal to neet losers.


This is why I read comics because the audience is made for are intelleigent adults, and not whiney porn addicted teens with power fantasies.

[Anonymous No.21678385]

>>21678241
>intellectually inept manchildren
Most comic book fans are intellectually inept manchildren and there are very few comics worth reading. My favorites are Frank Miller, Alan Moore, Bill Watterson, and Herge. Not in that order.

[Anonymous No.21678410]

>>21677984
Kind of bad writing, it would be better if the bad guys had a speech bubble that said "bad thing" while the good guys had a speech bubble that said "good thing".
It has really helped me understand the world when kind and intelligent journalists have appended "and that's a good thing" to their articles so I don't misunderstand and think incorrectly about it, so if they could also do that in comics, wonderful.

[Anonymous No.21678469]

>>21678384
>which I shall not name
dont be a pussy and just name it faggot

[Anonymous No.21678505]

comic book writing is literal cereal box tier.

[Anonymous No.21678616]

>>21678384
Quiet, whitioid

[Anonymous No.21678693]

>>21678107
It really is the Manga of all time

[Anonymous No.21678742]

>>21678384
Imagine thinking comics aren't the dumbest power fantasies out there

[Anonymous No.21678876]

>>21678742
no, that would be communism

[Anonymous No.21678916]

>>21677984
>>21678118
>>21678061
>GI Bill + Soviet active measures for 70 years
Societies do not require 'entertainment' much less 'media', they need art. If you're consuming trash, it is for you.

[Anonymous No.21679037]

>>21678916
Entertainment is to art what high school football is to the NFL. Artists tend to begin as entertainers. They have to grind out romcoms and superhero movies before they get to direct the next Kubrick level film. If someone is complaining about high school football, it is clear that they are also talking about future prospects for the NFL

[Anonymous No.21679058]

>>21678061
It wouldn't have been so bad if instead of that he just drew the characters, and the narrator made generic references to "racist bullshit" or "nationalist platitudes". I'm ok with an author not wanting to directly engage arguments if the story doesn't have room for them, that's what indirect discourse is for.

But when they literally replace what would be a speech with just a label (RACIST, NATIONALIST), it comes off as simultaneously smug and revealing: they don't think in terms of arguments, they think in terms of labels. They hear you, identify a few keywords, put it under the appropriate label, celebrate or dismiss it accordingly. There is never actual engagement with it. This is doubly so because what they consider "racist" or "nationalist" nowadays isn't even literal racism, it's centrist opinions from 2010.

[Anonymous No.21679075]

>>21678061
Think you missed the point. Kurtz is a unique antagonists with personal history and experiences shaping his way.

The guys the comics are no-named strawmen parroting the same tired non-factual arguments they read or heard from their favourite right wing source.

[Anonymous No.21679092]

>>21677984
It actually highlights that the author is in a position of power where he can give himself the luxury of simply dismissing what his adversary has to say without any consequences.

[Anonymous No.21679114]

>>21678029
Watchmen is great specifically because it's Moore taking a piss on the superhero genre.

[Anonymous No.21679118]

>>21678065
Phoenix by Tezuka

[Anonymous No.21679135]

>>21677984
Honestly I think I am literally just gonna leave at this point.

[Anonymous No.21679142]

>>21678118
Everyone knows that humanity yearns for fascism. This is why the establishment is so obsessed with convincing people that fascist is bad and its ideas can't be out there in the open or else everyone would vote for it.

[Anonymous No.21679166]

>>21678255
>le democrats are le real fascists

[Anonymous No.21679168]

>>21678263
>victims of the holocaust
You mean the labor camps, right? You don't believe there were extermination camps, do you, anon?

[Anonymous No.21679174]

>>21678132
>The skull-bone is not an organ of activity, nor even a process of utterance. We neither commit theft, murder, etc., with the skull-bone, nor does it in the least distort its face to suit the deed in such cases, so that the skull should express the meaning in the language of gesture. Nor does this existential form possess the value even of a symbol. Look and gesture, tone, even a pillar or a post stuck up on a desert island, proclaim at once that they stand for something else than what they merely are at first sight. They forthwith profess to be symbols, since they have in them a characteristic which points to something else by the fact that it does not belong peculiarly to them. Doubtless, even in the case of a skull, there is many an idea that may occur to us, like those of Hamlet over Yorick's skull; but the skull-bone by itself is such an indifferent object, such an innocent thing, that there is nothing else to be seen in it or to be thought about it directly as it is, except simply the fact of its being a skull. It no doubt reminds us of the brain and its specific nature, and skull with other formations, but it does not recall a conscious process, since there is impressed on it neither a look or gesture, nor anything which would show traces of derivation from a conscious activity. For it is that sort of reality which, in the case of individuality, is intended to exhibit an aspect of another kind, one that would no longer be an existence reflecting itself into itself, but bare immediate existence.

[Anonymous No.21679200]

>>21679166
t. chinless lib

[Anonymous No.21679293]

>>21678255

[Anonymous No.21679303]

>>21679142
If by fascism you mean the gay retarded combination of totalitarian government working with government enforced monopolies to trans your children and inject you with clotshots, then no, fascism is homosexual.

[Anonymous No.21679311]

>It was from out the rinde of one apple tasted, that the knowledge of good and evill as two twins cleaving together leapt forth into the World. And perhaps this is that doom which Adam fell into of knowing good and evill, that is to say of knowing good by evill. As therefore the state of man now is; what wisdome can there be to choose, what continence to forbeare without the knowledge of evill? He that can apprehend and consider vice with all her baits and seeming pleasures, and yet abstain, and yet distinguish, and yet prefer that which is truly better, he is the true wayfaring Christian.

[Anonymous No.21679415]

>>21679142
>fascism
>vote for it
do americans really

[Anonymous No.21679421]

>>21677984
so smart. I bet at least three people really appreciated it.

[Anonymous No.21679433]

>>21678106
google tachiyomi
I then source mine from Mangadex, Batoto for older stuff, Mangapill and Mangakalot.

Recommending Vinland Saga, Berserk, Dorohedoro, Witch Hat Atelier

[Anonymous No.21679474]

>>21679303
>If by fascism you mean the gay retarded combination of totalitarian government working with government enforced monopolies
That's not fascism though. inb4 Mussolini's quote. It's always hilarious seeing Americans who don't understand a word of Italian misinterpreting that quote.

[Anonymous No.21679482]

>>21679474
I would ask you what you mean, but since you're such an effeminate faggot you don't simply speak directly in the first place, I can comfortably assume that whatever you meant is dogshit retardation.

[Anonymous No.21679540]

>>21678263
I don't know man, 6 million seems like a lot

[Anonymous No.21679608]

>>21678277
Have you tried Soulseek?

[Anonymous No.21679667]

>>21678229
Go back to pol fucked. That bigoted shit was never relevant to how society developed. We are better now and rapidly leaving people like you behind.

[Anonymous No.21679678]

>>21679075
>The guys the comics are no-named strawmen parroting the same tired non-factual arguments they read or heard from their favourite right wing source.
Everyone does that now, though. Everyone is just putting strawmen to the torch driving sane people away.

[Anonymous No.21679685]

>>21679421
How come Japan is capable of producing quality comics while Americans are sterile?

[Anonymous No.21679688]

>>21679685
>How come Japan is capable of producing quality comics while Americans are sterile?
Japanese millennials aren't as culturally corrosive. That's pretty much it. Class was the issue of the 19th century. Race was the big one in the 20th, and the 21st will be age. Millennials are so fucked, they'll be begging the few remaining boomers to save 'em lol

[Anonymous No.21679703]

>>21678065
Sangatsu No Lion, if you like slice of life stuff

[Anonymous No.21679705]

>>21679685
i remember seeing an old article (or excerpt from a book?) years ago from a highly-esteemed american artist in the 90s i think it was, where he talks about how even back then traditional artists were disappearing and new students weren't being taught the right techniques so the entire craft has led to people forgetting how to draw
it was related to disney movies and the transition from 2D to 3D animation

americans just don't care about anything except money

[Anonymous No.21679708]

>>21679705
>americans just don't care about anything except money
Well, that and anything else is "problematic" or "woke" and who wants to deal with a bunch of retarded spergs sucking the life out of everything? Might as well just stick to the old shit.

[Anonymous No.21679726]

>>21679685
If I had to guess, likely something to do with cultural shifts. Comics are a fairly niche part of western society, while manga is very predominant in Japan, even among the older generations. There just isn't the same level of incentive to produce quality works. Why would I check out a niche American comic author when I can just read a high quality manga that is likely leagues better and gets new chapters/volumes at a faster rate due to Japan's ridiculous work culture

[Anonymous No.21679804]

>>21679685
Japanese manga industry is hyper-competitive; anyone with a pen can write a manuscript and many people want to try it. Serious, quality, saleable stuff rises to the top. I've never met someone in the US who wants to write comics.

[Anonymous No.21679825]

>>21679705
Was it this?

[Anonymous No.21679944]

>>21679825
>Tfw I can crank out far better art in a minute with AI than someone who got a graduate degree in art
Maybe AI is what will get artists to finally take their craft seriously

[Anonymous No.21680012]

>>21678065
they're all shit except Nausicaa which is the best comic ever made

[Anonymous No.21680026]

>>21677984