/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21649197]

What a stupidly boring book. Half the time the characters are talking about inane bullshit.

[Anonymous No.21649205]

>>21649197
>>>21647897

[Anonymous No.21649792]

It's a deeply philosophical book & you got filtered big-time.

[Anonymous No.21649821]

>>21649792
What’s its philosophy?

[Anonymous No.21649869]

>>21649821
You read the book; you should know.
In any case, it can't be boiled down to a few simple sentences -- it's too dense for that.
I'm sure some fanboi on the Internet has written the summary you crave.

[Anonymous No.21649885]

>>21649869
>37 word reply
>solved a whole captcha
>just to say screw off

Sounds embarrassing. I will continue to ignore Heinlein then.

[Anonymous No.21649934]

>>21649885
I'm glad you revel in your ignorance.
It makes it easier to dominate you.
And if there's anything that makes modern slavery easier, it's willing slaves.

[Anonymous No.21649972]

>>21649934
>25 more words to say screw off, but in the bootlicker dialect, therefore giving a hint at the aforementioned philosophy he’s too embarrassed to mention.

I dedicate my time to more worthy discourse and strategies to avoid your dreamworld prison planet.

[Anonymous No.21650024]

>>21649197
I read this recently and agree with you. Maybe it was ground-breaking in 1961 when young boomers needed an excuse to practice hedonism but Valentine's Martian mysticism is pretty tired at this point

[Anonymous No.21650054]

The only Heinlein novel I truly want to read is I Will Fear No Evil, but it seems like I should read something by him beforehand.

[Anonymous No.21650068]

>>21649197 >>21650024
True, I really looked forward to this book but so much of it was just boring weird spiritualism bullshit.
It was probably a lot better back in the day but just feels out of touch now.

[Anonymous No.21650112]

>>21649972
Embarrassed?
Who said anything about being embarrassed?
Project much?
And isn't picrel from the "Starship Troopers" movie?
The original book, and "Stranger In A Strange Land", have little or nothing to do with each other.
>dreamworld prison planet.
Are you talking about the world in "Stranger In A Strange Land", or our own?

[Anonymous No.21650198]

>>21650112
>Project much?
>hunts for a projector jpg
>in no way projecting
>continues to be glib

>>21650024
>Martian mysticism
>>21650068
>weird spiritualism bullshit.
Hmm.

[Anonymous No.21650334]

It's interesting as a window into the past's vision of the future. Heinlein described the waterbed so clearly in this and other works that when it was later invented for real, the inventor couldn't get a patent on it. Jubal Harshaw is an unthinkable character in a world where Viagra exists. Still don't have tri-dee. Jill not having a son named Aaydynn is nearly as incredible.

[Anonymous No.21650458]

>>21649821
It has none.

[Anonymous No.21650565]

>>21649197
Amazing first half, second half didn’t do it for me. Starship Trooper remains his magnum opus, but I might think differently if I read it in the era it came out

[Anonymous No.21650574]

>>21650565
Starship Troopers was 10x better than the OP shlop, it had a coherent story and the characters didn't have discussions so long that it makes Ayn Rand's writings look like a children's book.

[Anonymous No.21650684]

The only Heinlein book I actually own is The Star Beast. Is it worth reading? I understand it's a kid's book.

[Anonymous No.21650699]

Heinlein is not worth reading. He has the worst habit of author self-inserts. His Doctor-Lawyer-Writer surrounded by three beautiful carer/concubines was truly the worst.

[Anonymous No.21650737]

>>21650699
kek he self-inserts the wise old lolbert sage into every book

[Anonymous No.21650756]

>>21650699
>missing the point this hard
he's an impotent old man who enjoys a degree of intimacy with his beautiful secretaries that's only possible precisely because he's an impotent old man. they're not concubines, and wouldn't give him the time of day if he were capable of using them as concubines - but they're endlessly delighted to play the role of his concubines.

[Anonymous No.21650764]

>>21650756
>When Heinlein's editor required him to make substantial cuts in the original Stranger manuscript, the bulk of the material cut was said to be lengthy monologues by Harshaw.

Garbage character in a garbage book(s) by a garbage author.

[Anonymous No.21650796]

>>21650764
lol you don't even comprehend what you read, why would your opinion be of value?

[Anonymous No.21650809]

>>21650796
lol why is heinleins biggest defender out here taking bullets for him? Do you think they'll retroactively write you into his will?

[Anonymous No.21650834]

>>21650809
Why are you trying to shoot bullets at Heinlein's work? Do you think they'll retroactively call you brilliant?

[Anonymous No.21650853]

>>21650809
none of this deflection is making your analysis any less shitty.

heinlein in his later work was what the kids these days would call a beta cuck, insofar as he put pussy on a pedestal. this book, the beginning of that later work, provides - via the character jubal harshaw, the writer/doctor/lawyer in question - insight into what made heinlein into a beta cuck; i.e., being surrounded by nubile women and impotent to do anything about it, which in bob's case took the form of nurses during his long hospitalizations.

any dipshit can bitch "hurr durr self-insert." what does the self-insert tell you?

[Anonymous No.21650882]

>>21649197
It didn't age well. It was a very 60s book.

[Anonymous No.21650905]

Moon Is a Harsh Mistress is his best work anyway.

[Anonymous No.21651021]

>>21650796
Of course i comprehend, probably more than you do. Where other books that deal with socio-political issues have their character enact and realise the philosophy gradually throughout the course of the written work, Heinlein sees fit to introduce huge tracts of single character monologue instead. It is all objectively bad writing, even in Stranger where he has a blank canvas in the case of Michael he still has other characters, always his own self-insert,explain the philosophy in excrutating detail. If Heinlein had any skill in his craft, the reader would be gradually and subtly introduced to the theme via action and counter-action.

The Elric Saga, by Moorplots, is a better example of this. The author had a strong anarchistic world-view he wished to include, he did so by means of action and reaction of the main character battling against abstract forces that would lay claim over his life and expropriate his loyalties. It shows rather than tells. This from a man who admited he was never a good writer.

You dumb cunt.

[Anonymous No.21651073]

>>21651021
dumbass, I'm not claiming that heinlein was a talented writer. i'm claiming that your shallow analysis of heinlein's work is of orders of magnitude less literary value than the smelliest pile of tuberculoid excrement that he ever shat out. no amount of lowering heinlein in comparison to other authors will elevate you an iota.

[Anonymous No.21651238]

For me, it's "A. Wyatt Mann and the Subterranean Negropolis."

[Anonymous No.21651247]

>>21651238
most deceptive cover art ever

[Anonymous No.21651276]

I was fine with it until it was just, "we have lots of sex"

[Anonymous No.21651282]

>>21651276
>we have lots of sex and gain superhuman powers
>Now we are become communist

[Anonymous No.21651289]

>>21651282
I dropped it when they did the time skip and they were fucking the snake tattoo lady.

[Anonymous No.21651336]

>>21651289
I powered on all the way to the end, you did not miss much. It was still a better book than indecisive, crybaby Philipino boy gradually fails upwards in the military.

[Anonymous No.21651647]

>>21651336
Starship Troopers > Stranger In A Strange Land

[Anonymous No.21651767]

>>21651336
>>21651647
why don't you guys argue over wifey vs superfudge while you're at it

[Anonymous No.21651876]

>>21651767
Are you mad that people are debating the merits of a book on a literature forum?

[Anonymous No.21651915]

>>21651876
no, I'm commenting on the absurdity of arguing whether an author's children's literature or the same author's adult literature is superior.

[Anonymous No.21652923]

>>21651915
The target audience for both is teenage boys. Try making sense next time

[Anonymous No.21652932]

>>21649197
Welcome to science fiction
What were you expecting exactly?

[Anonymous No.21653095]

>>21649197
>41 replies
>not one mentioned the utterly egregious abuse of the word "grok"
Did you even read it, /lit/? Tell the truth.

[Anonymous No.21653302]

>>21653095
how exactly does someone abuse a word that he himself invented?

[Anonymous No.21653310]

>>21653302
It was used everywhere in sci-fi circled and early internet culture. I personally thought the word sounded terrible and unsophisticated for the grand concept it tried to encapsulate.

[Anonymous No.21654172]

>>21650905
Computer ex machina

[Anonymous No.21654178]

>>21651289
Me too