Zen Nazism

[Anonymous No.21639852]

I was watching the Zizek/Peterson debate a while ago and I remembered an interesting part where Zizek mentioned how the Nazis would use zen Buddhist techniques to aid their soldier. Zizek described one of them as being this technique where they would view their opponents as immaterial orbs in order to not feel guilty when killing them. I tried to track down what Zen buddhist texts they used and found some guy called D.T Suzuki and his work called "The Essence of Bushido". It was apparently very influential for wartime Germany during the second world war but I can't find the text anywhere. Or any other Zen Buddhist texts that influenced the Nazi. Can any of you bros help me out in finding what specific practical mystical practises were used by the Nazis during the second world war and how widespread they were among Nazi soldiers. I know that Hitler was into a lot of Esoteric shit by looking at his library.

[Anonymous No.21639872]

about 1% likely to be true, show me the primary source for this right now
>I know that Hitler was into a lot of Esoteric shit by looking at his library.
No, that was Himmler

[Anonymous No.21639883]

>>21639872
>about 1% likely to be true, show me the primary source for this right now
Only evidence I have is Suzuki's close association with the Nazi Karlfried Graf von Dürckheim

>No, that was Himmler
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/05/hitlers-forgotten-library/302727/

[Anonymous No.21639890]

>>21639883
>Only evidence I have is Suzuki's close association with the Nazi Karlfried Graf von Dürckheim
so it's complete bullshit
>https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/05/hitlers-forgotten-library/302727/
post an archive link, I don't have an account for that dogshit website

[Anonymous No.21639894]

>Zen Nazism
You're treating religion like ordering a sandwich from subway.

[Anonymous No.21639913]

>>21639852
atheists are bad at meditation, the chinese too.

[Anonymous No.21639925]

>>21639890
> post an archive link, I don't have an account for that dogshit website
Neither do I. I just pressed X on the thing that popped up.

>>21639894
I have no reference for Zen Buddhism. I am more interested in Catholic mysticism since I am Catholic yet I am still interested in other spiritual practises and hope to do a comparative study of them with Catholic mysticism.

[Anonymous No.21639926]

>>21639913
Who do you think are good at it?

[Anonymous No.21639934]

>>21639852
Of course, it was esoteric as Nazism (and by extension nationalism) is demonic and anyone who truly believes in God would denounce Nazism and nationalism. For he would never say for my beloved country but for my beloved God when in battle. Satan subscribed to racism brought upon by his own manufactured superiority over mankind, and his hatred of humans knows no boundaries.

[Anonymous No.21639939]

>>21639934
Don't care. What texts did they use to inform their spiritual practises?

[Anonymous No.21639943]

>>21639925
Nah man it cuts off at the bit about the salt mine. Why don't you try reading a big boy article about what hitler read?
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7829/j.ctt2jbnfm

[Anonymous No.21639944]

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.21639948]

>>21639939
There was no nazi spiritual practice. Nazism was a secular movement. Some elements of the leadership were interested in the occult, though not Hitler himself. Most normal Nazis were Christians.

[Anonymous No.21639959]

>>21639943
Based, thanks. I'll look onto it.

>>21639948
Nazis weren't Christian. Pic rel

[Anonymous No.21639964]

>>21639894
How about we split a Chicago style apollonian Teotlism, anon? Whole thing is too much for me.

[Anonymous No.21639985]

>>21639959
That measures catholicism, not christianity.

[Anonymous No.21640004]

>>21639959
you don't need spiritual practices if you have a shitload of drugs. If it is true that they used Zen practices, it was probably a minority of them using them.

[Anonymous No.21640021]

>>21640004
nazis weren't on a shitload of drugs and weren't using weird zen practices
why do you guys even come close to believing this retarded shit?

[Anonymous No.21640025]

>>21640021
>nazis weren't on a shitload of drugs
yeah right Pervitin was just a little medicine pill for troop morale and energy. Fuck you, you nigger.

[Anonymous No.21640030]

>>21640025
you're fucking retarded, US military did the exact same shit with Benzedrine. You're just swallowing retarded propaganda about METHAMPHETAMINE FUELED SUPER SOLDIERS!!!!! when this was common, standard practice.

[Anonymous No.21640048]

>>21640030
who's talking about the US? Yeah, they also used a shit ton of drugs, what's your point? you faggot. The nazis used a shitload of drugs.

[Anonymous No.21640053]

>>21639872
Not just any esoteric shit though. Because of the natzees, westerners think the character manji is some kind of evil WWII thing. It is a religious symbol deeply ingrained in asian culture and the top nazis were all massive orientalists.

>japan cucked out and removed manji representing temples from tourist maps because westerners might have an aneurysm

[Anonymous No.21640066]

>>21640048
>what's your point?
it was just a medicine pill for troop morale and energy, not some replacement for a spiritual doctrine (???) or significant beyond being a pill for morale and energy. What's your point? ARYAN SUPERSOLDIERS GOING BERSERK?!!?!?!

[Anonymous No.21640072]

>>21640053
>the top nazis were all massive orientalists.
No, they weren't, and the hakenkreutz is an ancient part of european culture as well.

[Anonymous No.21640077]

>>21640066
Yeah, right, those pills were not meth. You're a retarded nigger.

[Anonymous No.21640079]

>>21640077
DRUG FUELED CRAZED NAZIS DOING ESOTERIC TANTRIC HYPERBOREAN YOGA IN THEIR TIGER TANKS
fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.21640086]

>>21640079
I don't give a shit about the esoteric shit. Most nazis lived a normal life, but they were given a shitload of drugs by their government (at least in a broad way from 1938 till 1944), the same way it happened in other countries. You just seem like a fucking schizo freak denying it. Go eat a nigger dick you massive faggot.

[Anonymous No.21640103]

>>21640086
>be given a few doses of stimulants in your rations in case shit gets rough just like in every other wartime military
>NAZIS WERE ALL ON A SHITLOAD OF DRUGS!!!
It's just not notable or worth commenting on or unique to nazis, but it's often made out to be some kind of strange thing they were doing. Use and abuse of stimulants, often officially sanctioned, happens in militaries including the US one today. I think you read the supersoldier articles written by jews and got carried away.

[Anonymous No.21640111]

>>21640103
>I think you read the supersoldier articles written by jews and got carried away.
I never once mentioned any sort of 'supersoldier', if anything I'm thinking about the opposite, a bunch of weakened soldiers suffering from withdrawal.
>It's just not notable or worth commenting on
It's notable enough to have affected society in such a way to make it hardcore illegal before the end of the war. If anything, they made it illegal not because of the 'supersoldier' thing, but because of the opposite reason, it weakened people and caused worse outcomes thanks to the withdrawals.

[Anonymous No.21640114]

>>21640103
>be given a few doses of stimulants in your rations
a 'few doses' of meth are still a shitload of drugs.

[Anonymous No.21640121]

>>21640111
>I never once mentioned any sort of 'supersoldier', if anything I'm thinking about the opposite, a bunch of weakened soldiers suffering from withdrawal.
>It's notable enough to have affected society in such a way to make it hardcore illegal before the end of the war. If anything, they made it illegal not because of the 'supersoldier' thing, but because of the opposite reason, it weakened people and caused worse outcomes thanks to the withdrawals.
That's actually interesting then if you have some sources that talk about this.
>>21640114
how?

[Anonymous No.21640320]

>>21639985
germany was/is majority protestant
has been since the age of reformation
how long will germany be protestant majority, don't know.

[Anonymous No.21640362]

>>21639852
Whoa, that is a smoked Mexican-Japanese man!

[Anonymous No.21640369]

>>21640021
Some may have been on some (drugs) and using some (Zen practices). Not everything has to be absolute. Why is it like that with us (/lit/ in general)? If Zizek said this, he probably had some source he’d read it in somewhere, however dubious the source, and it could be based on reality because it’s known some of the Nazi regime was interested in occultism, magic, mysticism, the paranormal and strange occult phenomena that might help them win the war, such as when they sent expeditions to Tibet.

“The Occult Roots of Nazism: The Ariosophists of Austria and Germany, 1890–1935” by Nicholas Goodrich-Clarke is said to be a good book on this, but I haven’t read it. “Zen at War” written by Brian Daisetz Victoria is a good book about the militaristic aspects of Zen and historical ties of some of them to supporting the feudalistic Japanese regime and their military, the samurai ideal, etc., which ironically made some of them rather more violent than (generally pacifistic) Buddhism is popularly regarded as being.

However, none of this applies to all Japanese Zen Buddhists or Ch’an and Zen Buddhism at large — incredibly dubious to say it does. Anymore than the Spanish Garduña society reputed to have carried out some of the dirty stuff of the Inquisition on behalf of the Catholic Church, and had a mythos that the Virgin Mary had appeared to and sanctioned it’s founder to start the society, represents all of Catholicism or Catholics. Or, just like Nazism doesn’t reflect on all Germans, or most kooky groups like the Theosophists tied to inspiring some of Nazi occultism and talk about “root-races,” most Theosophists are extremely far from being Nazis

[Anonymous No.21640378]

>>21639852
>>21640369
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_at_War

[Anonymous No.21640384]

>>21640362
It's lil uzi vert with a raceswap filter to make him look east asian.

[Anonymous No.21640385]

>>21640121
>how?

[Anonymous No.21640406]

>>21640079
>>21640385
He’s probably upset because he thinks any mention of this is “Allied/Zionist propaganda to make Nazis look excessively bad, deranged and kooky.” In his defense, that does exist, but it’s such a hot button and sensitive topic it now can’t really openly be discussed without opening yourself to accusations YOU’RE a “Nazi” or sympathetic to them.

However, all his kvetching doesn’t negate the fact that some of the Nazis, including those as high in the command as Himmler, were very interested in kooky stuff like this.

[Anonymous No.21640490]

>>21640053
The swastika had long existed in Central Europe and Eurasia. It’s not an exclusively Asian import. In fact, one of Hitler’s biographers claim that the neighborhood church of his childhood had a swastika over the door. Same with the totenkopf. People think the nazis invented it to look evil. It had been used in Austria-Hungary for a long time.

[Anonymous No.21640507]

>>21640384
Oh a filter; I thought he had truly modified himself thus.
It also makes him look like that one from the Black Eyed Peas

[Anonymous No.21640720]

>>21639852

The exact passage Himmler had written down in his journal is from the Baghavad Gita where Krishna says to Arjuna that its its ok to kill his relatives in this fraticidal war because of karma.

One thing to keep in mind though, was that Ariosophy and the Indian mania in Germany was a huge mess and a confusing hodgepole of many things. Its unlikely that the Nazis were serious readers of these texts. Also a practising theosophist and one of the biggest researchers of Hindu religious wisdom, Rudolf Steiner was public enemy no.1 for the Nazis, and his organization was one of the first purged targets.

[Anonymous No.21640780]

>>21640369

Having read Goodmans book, I none the less think that that its not that big of a conspiracy theory to say that a group of theosophists formed the Thule society which in turn formed the National German workers party. Unfortunately the precice make up and identity of who these people were is still mysterious. The thing is though , that the Theosophy was not a monolithic movement nor was it centralized after Blavatskys death. Steiner founded his own movement after he was kicked out of the mainstream Theosphical society and he eschewed nationalism. One interesting fact was the obsession with an Aryan "messiah" that Drexler harped on about, not too dissimilar with what the Theosophical Society attempted and grooming Krishnamurti being the Metreya Buddha, only for the Thule society that person came to be Hitler. Goodman also notes that a lot unmarked and mysterious funds came into the National Workers Party early on, further adding to the mystery on who these benefectors were.

[Anonymous No.21641578]

>>21640385
You're giving me the frog but nobody talks about modern militaries being 'PUMPED FULL OF A SHITLOAD OF DRUGS' despite the practice remaining in place internationally, yet over and over again people babble about nazi use of stimulants.
>>21640406
>However, all his kvetching doesn’t negate the fact that some of the Nazis, including those as high in the command as Himmler, were very interested in kooky stuff like this.
I would never even deny it or deny that the German army was using stimulants, but people act like it's something unique or go way too far with it. Himmler was interested in the occult. Hitler was not and expressed dislike for Himmler's antics. This turns into 'ALL THE NAZI LEADERSHIP WAS INTERESTED IN THE OCCULT AND WERE ALL HUGE ORIENTALISTS'. It's very irritating.

[Anonymous No.21642136]

>>21639872

[Anonymous No.21642183]

>>21642136
>In 2003, it was revealed that Schertel had sent a dedicated copy of the book to Adolf Hitler. Hitler read the book and marked several passages.[3]
The only citation is that terrible Atlantic article. If it's true it makes me want to read the book more but I'm not sure it's true. Nobody knew until 2003 huh. okayyyy. You might think my skepticism is excessive but we're talking about the most lied about man of the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.21642211]

>>21639852
There is a connection between buddhism and terrorism:
https://aeon.co/essays/the-lessons-of-nissho-inoue-and-his-cell-of-zen-terrorists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

[Anonymous No.21642250]

>>21642183
All great men are in touch with the spirit realm

[Anonymous No.21642262]

>>21639852
This is a perfect combination, as both Zen and Nazism are for degenerates.

[Anonymous No.21642925]

>>21642250
this