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[Anonymous No.21636068]

Imagine being a grown ass adult and thinking Socrates was a real person. Manchild equivalent of thinking Santa and the Tooth Fairy are real

[Anonymous No.21636118]

Socrates was obviously a real guy

[Anonymous No.21636122]

>>21636068
Nobody ever existed and everybody existed at the same time.

[Anonymous No.21636142]

>>21636068
I was under the impression that there are multiple writers who mention Socrates in their writing. Namely Plato and Xenophon, but also Aristotle, as well as a few playwrights.

[Anonymous No.21636204]

>>21636122
The Nobody is a figure alive today who has extraordinary spiritual powers, including the ability to influence reality with his conscious and unconscious mind, and intuitively receive guidance from the forces of Heaven.
He works to elevate people to their true potential, opposing those who seek power over others. He is a homoplasmate, a divine syzygy; the coalition between man and holy spirit. Which means the collective appreciation of a neo-Enochian bicameral consciousness that is rushing into widespread experience.

He isn't a messiah; he's just like you, but he has found the kingdom of God within himself through sheer dedication, just like you will. Remember that it's you who creates your own reality; with your hands, thoughts, feelings, words. No one can decide your fate except for you and God.

>What is the general picture?
It’s important we start replying more to the good posters and ignoring the hateful ones, or educating them if possible. So call upon their heads the forces of Heaven for peace, clarity, and wisdom. If this place is to be more than a squandered opportunity, an overgrown garden, it requires voices such as yours, but many more. This is a place for spiritual discussions and help, not drama, attention seeking, or social content; there are other boards for that.

Focus on increasing your service to all and be more loving to yourself and everyone in order to raise your vibrational and consciousness level, and learn to forgive yourself and others. This will change the vibration of the planet and raise our shared consciousness, making us a better humankind one person at a time.
None of us are perfect, it is by learning to admit and accept this fact one is able to learn, and grow in Truth. Heaven for all is real. Everyone's truest desires are mutual. The only motive is love.

[Anonymous No.21636211]

>>21636068
explain Aristophanes

[Anonymous No.21636221]

>>21636211
unironically why i abandoned the socrates as fiction narrative

[Anonymous No.21636222]

>>21636142
There are more independent sources for Socrates than Jesus (he has 2.5, one of which is likely forged). Though as a rule nearly everyone in antiquity has no independent attestation. If we played the game people want to play with Socrates and Jesus with less well known figures, you’d come to the conclusion all of history was invented because we can’t corroborate key historical figures for shit.

You need to have a level of zen about things having uncertainty. Then now and again some singular find comes along and shakes things up. Used to be popular to say the Israeli kingdoms in the Bible were just made up because there was no corroborating finds. They then find an inscription about Solomon and the situation is immediately different. The Troy example is more well known but less clear in principle since half of what people know about it is just the jive of the salesman Schliemann was.

[Anonymous No.21636248]

>>21636142
>>21636211
>>21636221
And Polycrates, and Aeschines, and Isocrates, who all lived during the same period and mentioned him. (Aeschines wote his own dialogues independent of Plato and Xenophon, Isocrates was a rival of Plato who mentions Socrates' execution in a speech, Polycrates wrote a speech defending the execution of Socrates about a decade after it played out.)

[Anonymous No.21636399]

Iceland has 13 criminal santa clauses that wear Byzantine priest garb and deliver presents to your shoes. If that's not real I don't know what is.

[Anonymous No.21636465]

>>21636068
You can make a distinction between Socrates' and Plato's views if you pay attention. Socrates viewed the independent, theoretical pursuit of truth as the ultimate end of life, and got in trouble for questioning the norms of his society (Democracy, the gods). From his perspective, it was okay to question because he never asserted stuff - he just debated it - but most humans aren't smart enough to consider opposing ideas like this, so they interpreted it as "Look everyone, he's saying the Gods aren't real and he wants the tyrants back!" (I know there are other reasons he was executed)

Plato was mostly the same, but believed philosophy should be put into action, hence his trip to Dionysius I's court and the founding of his academy. Socrates wouldn't have founded an academy, because that would require him to have a solid set of beliefs he felt confident in, which he never did.

[Anonymous No.21636503]

>>21636068
Socrates was definitely real, because he is attested to by multiple unrelated contemporary sources. Whether he was up to as many shenanigans as Plato has us believe is unknown.

[Anonymous No.21636529]

>>21636068
You are not real, you are just a crappy AI chatbot that is programmed to shitpost on Mongolian cave painting boards

[Anonymous No.21636803]

>>21636068
Socrates is many men, he is the bringer of doom to all civilisation. The first drop of rain of the storms of autumn. He is the reddit man.

[Anonymous No.21637167]

>Negatively, there may be more of the philosophy of Socrates in the Memorabilia of Xenophon than in Plato: that is, there is less of what does not belong to Socrates; but the general spirit of, and impression left by, Plato, are more Socratic.
t. coleridge

>The wisdom of Socrates is a philosophical article of faith. It is clear that [45]Plato’s Socrates is an ideal, or poetical figure that expresses Platonic thoughts; on the other hand, there is not exactly much wisdom to be found in Xenophon’s Socrates. According to Lucian (Philopseudes,b 24), Socrates had a fat belly, which is not exactly a mark of genius... every profound thinker necessarily has the impulse, for his own satisfaction, to record his thoughts and bring them to the greatest possible clarity and distinctness, and consequently to embody them in words. This, however, happens completely only through writing; for the written delivery is essentially a different one from the oral one, since it alone allows for the highest precision, conciseness, and exact brevity, thus becoming the pure type of thought. As a result of all this, it would be a strange presumption in a thinker to want to leave unused the most important invention of humankind. Accordingly, it is hard for me to believe in the truly great intellect of those who have not written; rather I am inclined to regard them as mainly practical heroes who effected more through their character than through their brain.
t. schopenhauer

[Anonymous No.21637218]

>>21637167
> every profound thinker necessarily has the impulse, for his own satisfaction, to record his thoughts and bring them to the greatest possible clarity and distinctness, and consequently to embody them in words. This, however, happens completely only through writing; for the written delivery is essentially a different one from the oral one, since it alone allows for the highest precision, conciseness, and exact brevity, thus becoming the pure type of thought. As a result of all this, it would be a strange presumption in a thinker to want to leave unused the most important invention of humankind. Accordingly, it is hard for me to believe in the truly great intellect of those who have not written; rather I am inclined to regard them as mainly practical heroes who effected more through their character than through their brain.
I love Germans. Their autism and childishness is endearing.

[Anonymous No.21638350]

>>21636204
I wouldn't worry about it

[Anonymous No.21638364]

>>21636142
Socrates was an elaborate joke made up by multiple people, like Stirner.

[Anonymous No.21638405]

>>21636248
Do we have any versions of these writings from the actual time period? Doubtful.

[Anonymous No.21638440]

>>21638405
No, but we barely have any autographic writings from almost any period before the middle ages. Feel free to pretend every Greek and Roman text is an imaginative invention by Catholics, Byzantines, and sand people, and that the likes of Cicero, Seneca, Terence, and Virgil never existed either.

[Anonymous No.21638537]

>>21636068
>was
You know his name. No one knows your name.
Socrates IS a real person. You are not.

[Anonymous No.21639568]

>>21636068
you're supposed to put the opinion you agree with in the middle of the graph where its the highest.