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I'm a german ayrab coming off a long spree of reading very emotional middle eastern poets like shahriyar (the turk) which speak to intuition, but I also have a taste for strong german Hölderlin and Wagnerian autism, a side of me which I'd like to indulge in again, I also like the kind of language employed by Goethe and I love Schubert the most, it's all very snug and cozy, withdrawn from the world; need some more comfy german autism /lit/

>> No.21633215

>>21633203
Novalis is somehow both comfy and exciting at the same time. Read hymns to the night. He also has some philosophy texts that are interesting

Trakl is very withdrawn from world but it's cold and a bit strange

Those two my favorites of the Germans/Austrians

>> No.21633322

>>21633215
>Read hymns to the night.
Check out Tristan und Isolde. It's Wagner's completion of Hymns to the Night and the ideas expounded in it in dramatic form.

>> No.21633364

>>21633322
I was slightly obsessed with Tristan a long time ago. To me though it represents a kind of tragedy of failing to reach something, whereas Novalis has accepted this

>> No.21633813 [DELETED] 

>>21633364
>whereas Novalis has accepted this
I think this is where the drama ends, eventually. In the climax of each act, the penultimate rhyme word, which derives from the root bewußt, is used to represent a stage in the release in the development of night. The final climax, Isolde's Verklarung, is a complete acceptance:

Du mir einzig bewußt,
höchste Liebeslust!

ein-bewußt:
heiß erglühter Brust
höchste Liebeslust!

unbewußt, -
höchste Lust!

>> No.21633821

>>21633364
>whereas Novalis has accepted this
I think this is where the drama ends, eventually. In the climax of each act, the penultimate rhyme word, which derives from the root bewußt, is used to represent a stage in the development of night. The final climax, Isolde's Verklarung, is a complete acceptance:

Du mir einzig bewußt,
höchste Liebeslust!

ein-bewußt:
heiß erglühter Brust
höchste Liebeslust!

unbewußt, -
höchste Lust!

>> No.21633863

>>21633813
Maybe you are correct but the feeling of Tristan is one of tremendous agitation imo, intensity of emotion and striving. Novalis' description of his night ecstasies is more like a "letting go" to me, like a marveling at something beyond yourself. This is just the sort of vibe I get from them though, obviously not a proper analysis.

>> No.21633992

>>21633863
But would dramatic necessity allow for anything less agitated? The symbolic representation of the psychological progression Novalis details in characters and drama only really allows for an absolute calm at the end. Though the liebesnacht does feel very mellow and like it's "letting go".. until it speeds up at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IjJXVY4j7U

>> No.21634015

>>21633992
Yeah I see your point

>> No.21634033

>>21633821
Reading this in german is very corny