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>He wrote and edited his trilogy via a rigorous creative process. First by long hand with a pen. The next draft went onto his typewriter. Finally, Self inputted the finished story onto his computer. “Writing, while staring at the computer screen, favours literalism over thinking in words,” he says. Self is referring here to the endless clickbait distraction and illusion that social media platforms such as Twitter, Instagram and TikTok provide. He believes they only reward vanity, profit and megalomania. “People marching up and down on social media pushing their products, banging their little drum and trying to sell shit is not a very edifying spectacle,” he says.

WhOAoAoA guys phones r BADDDD!!

>> No.21633064

>>21633058
>“Writing, while staring at the computer screen, favours literalism over thinking in words,”
wtf does that even mean?

>> No.21633079

>>21633058
He’s right.

>> No.21633082

>>21633058
Will Self sounds like euphemism for masturbation. "I'm just will selfing right now"

>> No.21633097
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>>21633058
>Self inputted

>> No.21633173

>>21633058
He's right, and the world was a better, calmer, safer place before smart phones

>> No.21633286

>>21633079
>>21633173
you were both probably 10 years old how the fuck would you know

>> No.21633695

>>21633058
What race is he?
>>21633064
My best guess is he's describing robotic writing.

>> No.21633698

>>21633695
English

>> No.21633758

>>21633058
>WhOAoAoA guys phones r BADDDD!!

no shit

>> No.21633845

>>21633695
>>21633698
hes half jew half english

>> No.21633849

>>21633058
Every boomer is a midwit tho

>> No.21633908

>>21633286
I was 14 when smartphones first got big but there is absolutely a difference in consciousness between older boomers and zoomers. You can see it in their writing styles. Boomer newspaper comments, in the guardian for example, possess a greater command of the English language. At the same times its incredibly anal and particular. The zoomer lowercase free form typer isn't necessarily a worse form of communication but the text message being the primary medium of written communication changes the way people write. Most messages I type on my phone or my pc are either quickfire texts or a max 100 word 4chan posts like this one. The medium is the message, like mcluhan says. The difference in temperament between generations is arguably a product of this

>> No.21634207

>>21633286
I remember my whole life in vivid detail from the age of 3 onwards

>> No.21634557

>>21633908
what does this have to do with anything said before

>> No.21635032

>>21633058
cant stand that jew

>> No.21635101

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgMPr0UZObY
kino

>> No.21635108

>>21633908
So you're saying smartphones made the next generation less boomerish? Good, boomers are the shittiest gen in human history

>> No.21635131

>>21633286
I was 24 when the iphone was released, and while there were smart phones before (like the based Palm range), Apple's contribution to the world has driven society towards hyper-consumerism, the chasing of make believe points, faux fame, and the garden walling of the internet.

Life was slower before, and the wy2xorld was better.

>> No.21635137

>>21635108
Have you seen a boomer with a smart phone? They suffer for it. Zoomers don't know any better.

In the was fast food rots the body, fast tech rots the mind.

>> No.21635146

>>21633058
That's not a midwit boomer opinion. Every author worth reading, irrespective of age, shares that opinion. Really not a controversial take.

>> No.21635966

>>21635131
How do your nurses treat you? Do you like hard candy?

>> No.21635980

>>21633058
phones make you dumb and boring. how is this take controversial?

>> No.21635992

>>21635980
Self describes himself as socialist in the George Orwell mould. This aggravates the post2015 chud types so we get threads ever so often where screeching newfags collectively denigrate him.

>> No.21636022

>>21633058
Most good authors don't use a computer, and I don't think that's a coincidence. I notice I write much worse when using a computer, and I "write" worse when trying to use a pen versus composing in my head. All my best paragraphs have been created solely in my head.

>> No.21637497

>>21636022
>Most good authors don't use a computer
yeah gonna need a source on that one bud

>> No.21637625

>>21633058
Self is a writer that is somewhat of a guilty pleasure, in that I can’t stand him yet enjoy reading his fiction. He writes with his cock stuck inside a thesaurus.

>> No.21637649

He’s incapable of writing a book that can be classified as middlebrow. Even Murakami has more talent than willy boy lol

>> No.21637674

>>21633064
He's saying writing on a computer inclines one to just write what's happening in a given scene, while his process lets him think about the language itself, how it interacts with itself, what the words evoke, etc.

I actually think he's wrong, and he's confusing his own preferences and processes for objective reality.

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He's written some decent novels and had the balls to write and publish a full on, high-modernist novel in Umbrella when he could easily have written dross that would have sold better.
He can come across as a complete arsehole in the media and televison yet he can also come across as reasonable and interesting. He's a frustrating mixed bag and a bit of a dick really.
I suspect his media appearances will slow as he was quite open about needing to do them to afford to live in london with kids and his kids have left home (note to aspiring writers - you need to have successful novels, newspaper articles, talks/lectures, tenureships and media appearances to afford to be able to live in london as a writer)

I really enjoyed Book of Dave recently, even though it is a bit derivative of Riddley Walker.

>> No.21637728

If you use a thesarus, wikipedia or google maps when you're writing fiction you are a bad person

>> No.21637752

>>21637674
He is talking about himself/his own method, not objective reality. Your taking things so literally sort of supports what he is saying.

>> No.21637780

>>21633173
it's not so much that he's wrong but that it's such a total commonplace cliche, it's truly cringe for an author with high-brow pretensions to say it out loud and make a big deal out of it like it's some highly original insight.
I remember a discussion that he had with Zizek, he seemed really in over his head, spoke in the same sort of cliches and namedropped authors and book titles without any understanding.

>> No.21637803

>>21637674
>He's saying writing on a computer inclines one to just write what's happening in a given scene, while his process lets him think about the language itself, how it interacts with itself, what the words evoke, etc.
that's what a second, third, fourth draft is for

imo the first draft is just getting the general outline of a story/plot onto paper

>> No.21637816

>>21637497
I'll keep it PoMo, since ones before are obviously cheating -
DeLillo, Auster, McCarthy off the top of my head, there are also others I suspect but don't know for sure - Roth, Pynchon, Gass

>> No.21637833

>>21637803
Where’s all the books you’ve written then, faggot?

>>21637816
Most of them are awful

>> No.21637839

>>21637816
yeah but they use typewriters for that
if you are under the age of 60 and use a typewriter in 2023 you are a pretentious twat

>> No.21637844

>>21637833
>Where’s all the books you’ve written then, faggot?
whats that got to do with anything?

>> No.21639103

>>21637839
I use a typewriter and nobody even knows I own one but my mom. It brings a level of comfiness that microsoft word can't match. There's also the fact that you don't have to stare at a screen for hours a day. I'm pretty sure looking in the distance boosts creativity and mental freeflow inb4 source.