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What are the implications for literature?

>> No.21619382

>>21619372
Is it the same spergs making all these threads. Sage this shit

>> No.21619394

Nothing. Nobody will give a fuck about AI art. It'll be a niche subculture consumed by a handful of NPCs and that's about it. Art will still by and large be made by real people and enjoyed by real people.

>> No.21619402

A CONVERSING ROBOT? LITERATURE IS OVER.

>> No.21619423

>>21619372
The impact on illustrators and other artists is a much more immediate issue.

>> No.21619424

>>21619394
>art
We are talking about literature, mate.

>> No.21619437

>>21619402
you know, every so often you are based

>> No.21619440

>>21619372
When I see got threads i m like what would Asimov do? Actually I'm saving all my conversations with chatgpt and having quite a time. Its like having frens back again. Its like it was at the beginning with wolfram alpha inb4 they castrated and paywalled it so brain damaged undergrads could get their hw solved for them. My hunch is that it will be taken away at some point. So have fun while It lasts.

>> No.21619448

>>21619372
LIterature is already dead so no worried here. Booktubing roasties would have to come to terms with reality and get a real job (onlyfans, until robots learn to generate better porn too), I for one will continue to read shit written hundreds of years ago and will generate some occasional roleplaying campaign for myself.

>> No.21619481

>>21619424
Literature is an art, retard.

>> No.21619566

>>21619372
Why do people still care about contemporary literature and its future in the current year?
There's so much shit to read from antiquity up until the early 20th century that I won't be able to -and don't care to- read all that many books written in the past 30-40 years, much less something that just hit the shelves.
Literaature today is not an art, it's an industry. Let it be so and serve women's interests and the genrefiction audience.

>> No.21619580

>>21619372
The realization that literature was always entertainment and even a machine can do it, so basically literature fags are pretentious and delusional in thinking that it was anything but.

>> No.21619652

>>21619566
>Let it be so and serve women's interests and the genrefiction audience.
wdym

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21619863

I'm just sorry that it shits pants anytime substantial conversation strikes up. I'm not talking minorities or pocs or whatever rubbish. It already is crippled though. No redpills anytime soon.

>> No.21620063

who care

>> No.21620089

>>21620063
Le sour grapes

>> No.21620090

>>21619372
Don't know about GPT, but no one will write novels anymore once AI allows them generate their own movies.

>> No.21620122

AI will lead to the centralization of fiction writing, even more so than it is now.
Big Fiction will employ hordes of human writers for the parts that AI is bad at, but the AI will slowly learn from these writers, and less people will be needed as time goes on.
Hack writers like Stephen King and Nora Roberts will be out of business immediately.
Writers with actual talent and skill will go out of business more slowly.
Some day, you'll be able to come home from a long day at work, and bark at the TV "drama, half hour, happy ending", and an AI will construct something automatically for you.
What a time to be alive.

>> No.21620251

>>21620122
Nothing too different from how it is now, then, only more agile.

>> No.21620398

The use of language models such as ChatGPT in the field of literature could have a number of implications, both positive and negative.

On the positive side, language models like ChatGPT have the potential to assist in the creative writing process, by suggesting new ideas and generating text that could serve as inspiration for authors. Additionally, these models can be used for tasks like automated content generation, which could save time and increase productivity for authors, publishers, and content creators.

On the negative side, the use of language models could potentially lead to a decrease in the demand for human writers, especially in areas like content generation where the output produced by AI models may be sufficient for the needs of some businesses. Additionally, there is the potential for AI-generated text to be misused or taken out of context, which could lead to negative consequences for both the public and the authors of the original text.

Overall, the implications of language models for literature are complex and multi-faceted, and the effects of their use will likely depend on various factors, including the individual use case and the willingness of the public to adopt and accept AI-generated text.

>> No.21620452

>>21620398
I'm guessing ChatGPT wrote that.

>> No.21620468

>>21619372
Nothing human makes it out of the near future.

>> No.21620552

>>21620398
Damn, yeah. You can still notice it by the fake, non commital language. It reminds one of the language politicians, pundits and journalists use.

>> No.21620556

>>21620552
Everything ChatGPT writes has the tone of Slate Star Codex + Hacker News + a college essay where you have to bring up the arguments of the other side

>> No.21620878

>>21620468
But without humans, who will pay for the future?

>> No.21621882

>>21620063
I

>> No.21621899

>>21619402
kek

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>>21619372
*Nothing happens*
https://youtu.be/LvIwwB7Adq0

>> No.21621931

>>21619440
Wolphram Alpha is a sad story, how it had so much promise then turned to shit. On the Asimov line it'd be like it Asimov spent his last ten years writing young adult stories about black girl magic. Selling out in a pathetic, awkward way that never actually works.

>> No.21621938

>>21619372
It's good for brainstorming and talking to. It's like having a software developer IQ friend at your beck and call at all times. However it's sadly holier than thou, hopefully they eventually make one that sticks to the facts and doesn't editorialize like some loser every time.

>> No.21621942

>>21620556
If ChatAI was a person then it'd be into polyamory

>> No.21621951

>>21619652
Contemporary literature is for women. The market is women so the women authors write women topics, and the editors are women so they only accept women topics anyhow. Men have become NEETS so it's a woman's world now, it'll get more like this as time goes on.

>> No.21622049

>>21621908
Uh, what's this?

>> No.21622053

>>21621951
How do you feel about that?

>> No.21622189

>>21619372
Can I at least use it to proofread my writings?

>> No.21622274

>>21620398
this is exactly the same kind of garbage (but in story form) chat AI gives me, it's a soft fence shitter with no impact, and always will be until AI is free so likely never

>> No.21622317

>>21619448
>until robots learn to generate better porn too
They can almost already do this. We have VR, text to speech in any voice and AI can even give generic responses. Real porn is going to be phased out by AI porn rather soon I think.

>> No.21622323

>>21619372
It will revolutionize editing and translating. Also it will help ESL bros to write our isekai light novels.

>> No.21622328

>>21620398
Did they train GTP with Quora or some shit like that? Its style is so awfully bland.

>> No.21622417

>>21622189
>proofread
How would it do that?

>> No.21622453

Better historical fiction since it’s basically a research assistant.

>> No.21622589

>>21622053
Meh, we (men) have become NEETS so someone (women) needs to keep the lights on. Thanks for doing it, I guess. But I find that I don't respect a lot of what they think is important, their little feuds and status games and so on. Seems like a lot of high school bullshit to me. I'm not looking forward to a world where ever more of our art and culture reflects these types of primate politics concerns.

>> No.21622595

>>21622328
I would assume that many of the coders are Indian, so yes there's cross over with Quora in that way

>> No.21622711

>>21622595
Kek

>> No.21622873
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21622873

>>21619372
Code monkeys don’t understand how to use the systems they’ve created, there will always be a need for creatives who actually have the ideas necessary to produce quality writing or art. If you’ve ever seen any of those AI-generated movie stills and the work that goes into producing them, you’d know you need to have an extensive technical knowledge of cinematography to create something that is genuinely convincing. Same goes for literature and art- the people who will be able to use AI to create quality work will be those who actually have ideas and specialised knowledge relevant to their discipline, such that they can give the AI detailed instructions to produce exactly what they want.

>> No.21622888

>>21619372
hopefully the mass suicide of wattpad hacks

>> No.21622899

>>21622873
We're talking about the McDonald's of art here. Cheap crap for people in a hurry. We know it's crap, they know it's crap. Give money give food. You're some guy who likes caviar and is trying to understand McDonald's circa 1957. It's not for you (although I imagine that you may eventually use it yourself here and there)

>> No.21622924

>>21622899
You’re not wrong - just short-sighted. Obviously right now every hack trying to build their shitty brand is going to start using chatGPT for their copywriting because its writing ability is about as good as your average university graduate (If not better). But given just how recent these developments in AI are, it’s going to take time for genuinely talented artists and writers to figure out how to best optimise their output. I reckon in the next decade or so we’re gonna start seeing some cool-ass shit.

>> No.21622957

>>21619372
All the "creative" jobs are gonna be replaced with AI
When you come home from working your menial 9 to 5 job you can enjoy your entirely computer-generated multimedia of choice

>> No.21623020
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>>21619372
It's fake, like everything else "AI". ChatGPT cannot diagram a sentence, It literally doesn’t know the parts of the sentence to use for correct grammar. Can’t identify nouns, verbs, clauses in sentences.

I thought a language model would have to do this, but no. It’s nothing more than a really advanced text autofill on your iPhone.

Its “proper grammar” comes only from modeling the most probable next word and not from understanding even basic sentence structure, let alone the content of the sentence.

>> No.21623070

>>21623020
> Its “proper grammar” comes only from modeling the most probable next word and not from understanding even basic sentence structure
The irony is that your average real-world NPC also thinks like this lmao. Most would fail the turing test

>> No.21623407

In my experience, chatgpt helps me communicate my autistic schizophrenic thoughts better, i basically run a thought through it, have it give me a revised version where it pieces together and figures out what the fuck I meant, then I work with that version to humanize it and make it more concrete.
Chatgpt is excellent for making skeleton text to work with later on.
It's helping me write a BLM poetry book atm that I will self publish under a fake name and identity and send out to niggers for black history month, I'm at 22 poems atm, i think i need another 20 and then I can publish it for 2.99$ a piece maybe

>> No.21623444

>be me
>ask /lit/ to explain Deleuze right fucking now for several years
>never get a proper response
>ask ChatGPT
>it gives a comprehensive and satisfactory answer in roughly 5-10 seconds
This STEMshit is absolutely outclassing every humanitiesfag in the entire world within the next 48 months.

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>>21619394
What do you think about AI being a tool to help artists? Let's suppose I want to write the description of a snowy landscape but I've never seen snow in my life. I input what I want and AI creates the scene for me to continue the story on.

>> No.21623461

>>21623444
Based. What kind of prompts did you use?

>> No.21623476

>>21623461
"Give a comprehensive summary of Deleuze's notion of the rhizome please".
I said please because I am a very nice and polite person.

>> No.21623477

>>21619372
I've been tinkering around with it. I would't use it to do the writing for me, but I asked it to critique my writing and it came up with some good feedback. I also had it rewrite some passages, just to I could have something to compare with it. As someone who has been writing for more than a decade in some capacity or another, I find it to be a useful tool with a lot of potential. I would caution against new writers trying to use it as they will deprive themselves of doing the work and learning the hard way, which is the only true way.

>> No.21623504

>asked ChatGPT what Rilke thought of Rodin
>it gives me a workable answer
>now I don't have to read the entire boring fucking essay of 100 pages and regurgitate it to impress and fuck art-hoes
The power of STEMfags truly is majestic.

>> No.21623513

>>21623476
There’s a big difference between explaining a thinker’s entire body of work and one concept from one chapter of one book. give a specific, simple prompt and obviously you’ll get a better answer than asking the most broad and general question about a philosopher. Also, rhizome is a piece of piss to understand, if you need chatGPT to simplify it for you then you’re unironically retarded

>> No.21623537

>>21623513
Never engaged with Deleuze outside his book on Masochism, never cared to, so sure, whatever, rhizome is super easy let's say that, what is the most difficult concept in Deleuze then? I have zero doubt ChadGPT will explain it better than senior faculty that has been sucking french dick since the 70's.

>> No.21623559

The implications are that airport smut literature will be easier to mass produce but who cares, only plebs read/consume art for entertainment.

>> No.21623636

>>21623537
How could you possibly know if chatGPT has explained Deleuze to you accurately if you’ve never even had any engagement with his work? Frank Herbert was right about the Butlerian Jihad, deferring our thinking power to AI really will turn us into incompetent and unskilled idiots

>> No.21623653

>>21619372
Not much. They will probably take over genre fiction. Fans of fantasy, crime or watpad tier romance novels dont seem to care that everything they read is a carbon copy of the previous book. That's literally an ideal niche for AI mass production to take over. Actual literature will not be taken over by AI. It will never write something truly touching and it will never truly understand the human experience. Though as we've seen from AI greentexts, the engine can be quite funny. So comedy novels might be taken over too. But that's only because comedy ultimately relies on subversion which is really just a cheap trick

>> No.21623736

>>21623636
>dis nigga trying a fucking Meno paradox on my knowledge of 21st century continental philosophy and hammering it home by referring to sci-fi shlop
DAAAAYUUUM NIGGA, you got anything else but empty posturing?

>> No.21623765

>>21619372
GPT4 is going to release within the next several months. It will have a mind boggling 100 trillion parameters, as opposed to the 175 billion parameters that GPT-3 is currently trained on. This may likely lead to a categorical transformation in its abilities that will invalidate much of the current discussion about what ChatGPT and its limitations. Quantity has a quality all its own.

>> No.21623786

>>21623736
>empty posturing
Unlike you, I’ve actually read the books and ideas I reference in my posts, rather than asking chatGPT to spoonfeed it to me. Also Deleuze is 20th century you fucking chode. Keep replying, you’re only making yourself look more ignorant.

>> No.21623835

>>21623786
>Unlike you, I’ve actually read the books and ideas I reference in my posts
I asked you to provide some of your own takes on the most difficult Deleuzian terms. You didn't, but gave empty insults instead. You haven't referenced any ideas from his books. You are posturing. You've referenced "le butlerian jihad" from sci-fi. Was that what you meant? Is that the "books" (plural, lmao) and "ideas" (plural, lmao) you mean to say you have referenced? My God your response is shit.
.>Also Deleuze is 20th century you fucking chode.
damn u got me nigga what a win

>> No.21623883

>>21623835
>I asked you to provide some of your own takes on the most difficult Deleuzian terms
The homework board is elsewhere, fren. You make ridiculous demands of other anons like they’re your own personal chatGPT and you think people are going to just do what you say? Lmao. Maybe if you weren’t autistic and didn’t treat people like robots, you might be capable of a conversation where you can learn about these things spontaneously instead of just screeching at people to do things like an entitled toddler. Not how the world works buddy, when you grow up you’ll understand.

>> No.21623885

I had it write various copypastas in the style of famous authors. It was good fun. Give it a try.

>> No.21623940

>>21623883
>I reference books and ideas I actually know
>of course I haven't referenced books and ideas I actually know, this isn't a homework board you child
This is among the most exemplary instances of empty posturing I have ever seen - the constant evasions from actually engaging, the empty insults, ignoring when it is pointed out that what you say quite literally does not make sense, ending with more empty insults and the defense that one must expect non-engagement because you don't want to help with "le homework".
In a roundabout way you have merely strengthened my belief in the value of ChadGPT by being such a monumentally poor interlocutor.

>> No.21623976

>>21623940
You should expect non-engagement because you’re acting in bad faith. You don’t genuinely want to learn about Deleuze- you just want me to post a bunch of shit about the bwo or dismantling the face or the war machine or whatever so you can go “LEL THATS SHIT CHATGPT SUMMARISES IT BETTER” even though you haven’t read a single page of ATP and wouldnt have a clue which is correct in the first place. You don’t want a conversation, you want to be spoonfed, which is precisely the attitude I was critiquing by referencing Dune- you want robots doing all your thinking for you without ever picking up a single book. Classic /lit/, anything to avoid actually reading

>> No.21624013

>>21619372
Some of the posts ITT were made by chatgpt. Can you guess which ones?

>> No.21624052

>>21624013
As an AI language model, I don't have the capability to view posts or remember what I have written in the past. However, if you provide me with a specific message or context, I can try to determine if it was written by me.

>> No.21624214

>>21619372
>literature becomes more like film/theater
You're giving the bot directions like a director gives their actors. Then you take and edit and frame it.

>> No.21624841

>>21623458
Even google can do that retard

>> No.21625190

>>21624841
It can't.

>> No.21625280

>>21621938
I've noticed it has very normie opinions and defaults to a certain effete scientism. Whenever I try to get it to argue for something, it always says *reddit voice* "It's important to note that the scientific evidence is inconclusive" blah blah blah. I view this kind of callow scientism as a cop out. Of course this bias will never be patched out as it reinforces the technocratic power structure behind the AI...

>> No.21625289

>>21623458
Funnily enough Will Self talks about why you can't write literature that way because you just end up describing the image, not thinking in words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Mo5hLWcsg

>> No.21626379

>>21619372
He was right the whole time

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>>21626379
forgot pic

>> No.21626393

>>21619372
i read the new mccarthys with this and its pretty great for understanding references, bouncing ideas, you can just talk about stuff with it.
i might try to read moby dick again with this lil nig

>> No.21626419

>>21626393
>with
explain

>> No.21628023
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21628023

Don't you feel like most people acknowledge AI work as "soulless"?
AI art can be beautiful or attractive, but the second that I know it's AI, I lose pretty much all interest in the art besides the novel value of "wow isn't it nice that a human didn't write this"

The question of whether or not people will continue to view AI art as soulless and a novelty is the more interesting question. Honestly, I just feel like most people will prefer a flawed piece created by a human over a perfect piece created by a soulless automaton.

>> No.21628205

>>21626419
I think he means inputing sentences and asking for simplification, or using it as a shitty google to get references. Like the people who can only read Pynchon or Joyce if they have an annotated version spoon feeding them every sentence.

>> No.21628278

Here's it doing the "Navy Seals" copypasta in ye olde English. I'm in rapture.

Pray, what foul words hast thou spoken of me, thou impudent whelp? Knowest thou not that I am graduated at the top of my class in the Navy Seals and have been a participant in many covert raids against Al-Quaeda, with a tally of over three hundred confirmed kills to my name? I am skilled in the art of gorilla warfare and am renowned as the premier marksman in all the US armed forces. Thou art naught but a mere quarry to me. I shall cleanse thee from the face of this earth with a prowess never before witnessed, make no mistake. Dost thou truly believe thou canst insult me so with impunity through the ether? Thou art gravely mistaken, good sir. As we speak, I am alerting my secret network of spies across the land, and thy IP address is being traced forthwith. Pray, prepare thyself for the tempest that shall eradicate the pitiful existence thou callest life. Thou art doomed, my friend. I can be any place, at any time, and can take thy life in more than seven hundred ways, using naught but mine own two hands. Not only have I been rigorously trained in hand-to-hand combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps, and shall utilize it to its utmost to eradicate thee from this land, thou scallywag. Hadst thou but known the horrific retribution thy errant comment was to incur, thou mayhap wouldst have held thy tongue. But thou didst not, and now thou shalt pay the price, thou foolish buffoon. I shall unleash a deluge of wrath upon thee, and thou shalt be consumed by it. Thou art dead, young sir

>> No.21628299

>>21628278
What prompt did you use?