/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21618566]

don't know if we'll ever see quite the level of experimentalism in literature as the cold war produced, because all of the political leakage of this time period created much warranted social upheaval and rebellion, especially in literary forms. What people get wrong about guys like Burroughs, Thompson, Mailer, etc, is that drugs were only part of the equation of their work. These were guys who so feared bureaucratic institutions of power that they sought to break free from control with new literary forms i.e. the cut up, or new journalism. Even something like Dispatches could not have existed in its form without its Vietnam context and its simulation of that through its style.

[Anonymous No.21618597]

>>21618566
Gonzo journalism is not literature

[Anonymous No.21618652]

>>21618566
Burroughs was a pedophile

[Anonymous No.21618665]

>>21618597
Why not? What is literature then?
(all empty posture collapses immediately when challenged)

>>21618652
Aesthetically irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.21618671]

>>21618665
You don't know what aesthetics is

[Anonymous No.21618691]

>>21618671
Free play of the understanding and imagination. I like the Kantian conception, and I like it even more in it's phenomenological-hermenutical explication by Gadamer.
It'll never be relevant what sort of moral habitus the artist had, and it is absolutely peak midwit to think so.

[Anonymous No.21618708]

>>21618652
A homosexual and a druggy that wrote a lot of surrealist psycho stuff, but this accusation is new to me and seems too trendy for me to take you seriously.

[Anonymous No.21618729]

>>21618708
Dude, he was a founding member of NAMBLA (north american man boy love association), he and ginsberg (another NAMBLA pedo) constantly exchanged letters about wanting to rape prepubescent boys, this is all on record

[Anonymous No.21618745]

The problem is that people don't read as much anymore - and that includes the autists here. Television and vydia gets more experimental because that's what people are consuming. There are experimental lit even today. Have you read numbers by Victor Pelevin? I don't think so becuase you prefer to dwell into fake nostalgia of yesterday than to find schizos worth reading today. It's ironic how some of you hate mainstream media but don't give a chance to anything that doesn't have its appraise.

[Anonymous No.21618766]

>>21618708
Excerpt from letter to Ginsberg:
>The Italian school is just opposite, and I stand for hours watching the boys with my 8-power field glasses. Curious feeling of projecting myself, like I was standing over there with the boys, invisible earthbound ghost, torn with disembodied lust. They wear shorts, and I can see the goose pimples on their legs in the chill of the morning, count the hairs. Did I ever tell you about the time Marv and I paid two Arab kids 60 cents to watch them screw each other—we demanded semen too, no half-assed screwing. So I asked Marv: ‘Do you think they will do it?’ and he says: ‘I think so. They are hungry.’ They did it. Made me feel sorta like a dirty old man.
Mind you this was a grade school

[Anonymous No.21618813]

>>21618766
>They are hungry
Jfc this pedo did this to starving children?

[Anonymous No.21618836]

>>21618813
Yup.

[Anonymous No.21618884]

>>21618691
You are braindead

[Anonymous No.21620316]

>>21618766
wtf

[Anonymous No.21620344]

>>21618597
You don't decide.

[Anonymous No.21620392]

>>21618597
I'm sorry you turned out to be homosexual.

[Anonymous No.21621189]

>>21618766
>this was a grade school
That was really the cherry on top

[Anonymous No.21621231]

>>21618691
It cannot not be relevant, practically. Ideally the aesthetic and the ethical interpenetrate and fuse, but few artists actually render the distinction imperceptible, and do not allow us to infer to some degree from their ethos. It's an ideal, not an accomplished fact for every case. They can certainly take us into seediness and ugliness and evil, but not well if they mistake them for good.

[Anonymous No.21621558]

>>21618766
lmao imagine burroughs standing next to a gradeschool with fucking binoculars

[Anonymous No.21622523]

>>21618766
The Beats should’ve been beaten to death

[Anonymous No.21622801]

>>21622523
This

[Anonymous No.21623620]

>>21621558
ROFL

[Anonymous No.21623628]

>>21618708
Don't know if he engaged in the act, but he obviously had an interest in it. Naked Lunch couldn't have been written otherwise.

[Anonymous No.21623640]

>>21618884
Very poor retort, transparent empty posturing.

>>21621231
Much better, though I don't agree. To take an example you're likely familiar with: I think Milton is at his very best in those parts where Satan is most convincing, where Satan himself is being mistaken for the good.

[Anonymous No.21623705]

>>21618766
What the fuck was wrong with The Beats?

[Anonymous No.21625120]

>>21621558