/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21612490]

The two languages that it is acceptable to read translated are Greek and Russian, because having to learn an entirely different alphabet on top of learning a new language is a tall order for even the sharpest of minds.

If you are raised in the West on the normal alphabet you should be able to learn Latin, French, Spanish, Italian, and German, and read what was written in those languages. No one's saying you have to do it overnight, but especially with poetry you should be less inclined to read works from these languages in translation.

[Anonymous No.21612495]

>>21612490
Enoch Powell was able to recite Greek grammar by the age of 4 and certainly fluent in the language by 7.
Medieval boys could be fluent in Latin by their 9th or 10th year.
You've just declared yourself less intelligent than a child who isn't even in double digits.

[Anonymous No.21612904]

>>21612490
>having to learn an entirely different alphabet on top of learning a new language is a tall order for even the sharpest of minds
You've clearly never tried to learn a different alphabet, or are an incredibly dull mind. Some fundamentally different system, such as Chinese, is indeed quite difficult. But simply using different letters (many of which are based on each other, that is, Greek is the source for both Latin and Cyrillic alphabet, along with Glagolitic for the latter) is trivial to learn.
Had you actually tried to learn these languages, you'd quickly notice the alphabet is the least of your worries. But I suspect you're completely monolingual, like most of you faggots who babble about translations and learning languages.

[Anonymous No.21612931]

>>21612490
Alphabets are a non issue. You learn them in one hour and become confortable with them after one week.

[Anonymous No.21612959]

>>21612490
You're telling me you couldn't learn Cyrillic?
Spastic mongols who film themselves jumping out of 5-storey buildings into snow piles can read both Latin and Cyrillic, yet some how it's a tall order for you?
Fuck, I know some who switch naturally between their Mongol hieroglyphs and QWERTY without a hitch and the OP says IT IS TOO DIFFICULT.
What a colossal faggot you are.

[Anonymous No.21612965]

>>21612490
>because having to learn an entirely different alphabet
You can learn the Cyrillic and Greek alphabets and cursives in less than two hours

[Anonymous No.21613064]

>>21612965
print characters yes, but the cursives are horseshite

[Anonymous No.21613301]

>>21613064
Only if you're an angloid that hasn't learned and used cursive in school.

[Anonymous No.21613763]

>>21612490
The alphabet is the easiest part, and can be picked up in under an hour.

[Anonymous No.21613772]

This thread reeks of esl cope

[Anonymous No.21613790]

never make this thread again OP

[Anonymous No.21614236]

>>21612490
Bruh, I agree with your sentiment and practice what I preach, but learning an alphabet takes only a couple hours.
There's no way someone can't learn to read Latin, Greek, Russian, German, Italian, French, and Spanish in a lifetime in addition to further languages like Biblical Hebrew, or Arabic, or Sanskrit.

[Anonymous No.21614325]

For the following reasons, Portuguese is also very useful:
1) Brazilian portuguese is the best suited language for rhythmic prose.
2) Lusophones, alternatively to other Latin speakers, are unashamed of not writing all-encompassing, larger-than-life narratives every time they pick up a pen. Their books might be less interesting if you're looking for monumental stories, but they're the best at telling stories that reside between the words.
3) Portugal is pretty much where modern poetry began.
The literary traditions of portuguese speaking countries, such Brazil and Portugal, are not as rich as, say, the French tradition. But it is still a worthwhile effort to learn their language and dive into what they have to offer.

[Anonymous No.21614385]

>>21614325
>Portugal is pretty much where modern poetry began.

[Anonymous No.21614409]

>>21612490
learning and reading different alphabets is the easiest part in learning a non-latin language; I thought myself greek and the elder futharc in a month
What is harder though is dealing with the sounds the letters make, and if they've changed when dealing with Koine or something similar

[Anonymous No.21614429]

Is learning a new alphabet really that hard? I'd think that great differences in structure would be the most challenging thing when learning a language, not having to memorize a new set of shapes, which sure, is a chore, but once you get it down it's down.

[Anonymous No.21614440]

>>21614429
>Is learning a new alphabet really that hard?
Learn the Greek one. It will take you an hour at most and you will have gained a useful skill and experience.

[Anonymous No.21614490]

>>21614429
>Is learning a new alphabet really that hard?
no, that was OP's way of saying he's monolingual

[Anonymous No.21614561]

>>21612490
Greek and Cyrillic are just Latin in funny clothes, you would have a point with Chinese or Korean.

[Anonymous No.21614950]

>>21614325
Brazilian Portuguese <<<<< Euro Portuguese. It's third worldist cope to say otherwise

[Anonymous No.21614957]

>>21612490
>having to learn an entirely different alphabet on top of learning a new language is a tall order for even the sharpest of minds.
wtf are you even on about its not even that hard compared to the actual grammar

[Anonymous No.21614980]

>>21614950
You can like Euro portuguese more than Brazilian portuguese AND recognize that Brazilian portuguese is superior for rhythmic prose specifically. Euro portuguese is mysterious, austere and elegant, which may suit your liking better than the voluptuous, boastful vowels of Brazilian portuguese, but the latter is still undeniably a more fertile terrain for the construction of rhythm; especially when the context is tricky.
To be clear, I am Portuguese myself and prefer my accent over the brazilian accent too. I just can recognize which language is best at what.

[Anonymous No.21615061]

>>21612490
The Greek/Cyrillic alphabet isn't at all difficult, you're just lazy or have never attempted it.

[Anonymous No.21615541]

alphabets are easy as other anons said. Abjads (hebrew, Arabic, syriac etc) are also quite easy, but because they don't write short vowels it's hard to distinguish some words. In my opinion it's easier than learning Chinese.

[Anonymous No.21615576]

>>21612490
Kys larper. This >>21612931. I can't speak Russian but I memorized Cyrillic in like half an hour many years ago.

[Anonymous No.21615693]

>>21612490
Learning Classical Chinese would be harder.

[Anonymous No.21615744]

>>21612490
You are a retard. Learning an alphabet is trivial in comparison to the other challenges of learning to read a language.

[Anonymous No.21615926]

>>21612490
Learning a new alphabet is trivial compared to learning a whole language.

[Anonymous No.21615954]

>>21615926
how so?

[Anonymous No.21616037]

>>21612490
>having to learn an entirely different alphabet on top of learning a new language is a tall order for even the sharpest of minds.
It really isn't. You can learn a new alphabet in a single day and become fully proficient in less than a week of practice (though practice is very important for maintaining proficiency).
I've briefly studied Russian and learned non-cursive Cyrillic and have been studying Japanese recently. Despite not practicing Russian in like 2 years, I can still read Cyrillic. And I can read Japanese hiragana pretty fluently (katakana are rougher because they're rarer, and kanji take longer to learn).

The biggest challenges with learning new languages are learning the vocabulary and just getting a feel for the language

[Anonymous No.21616670]

>>21612490

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[Anonymous No.21617754]

>>21612931
>>21615576
That's bullshit
I'm Polish and even though I memorized the Cyrillic in like half an hour, there were many moments over the next months where I noticed that I was pronouncing something wrong all along and had to correct. Also it's been like 4 years and I still can't read Cyrillic that fast, especially if a new word appears that I don't know yet. But I've never studied Russian, my studying of Russian was just learning the alphabet and reading random shit I encountered in Russian, because I was putting my active effort into Japanese.

[Anonymous No.21617894]

>>21617754
Cyrillic is a lot easier if you have even rudimentary knowledge of Greek, but it should be pretty easy for Polish speakers to learn Cyrillic (just because the sounds of Slavic languages get captured pretty well by it). But the key is practice.

I'm sure with Japanese you struggled the same way but got better over time and became more comfortable with their writing system because you kept reading in it.

[Anonymous No.21618108]

>>21617894
Yeah, I can read the words that I already know pretty fast in any script, but if I stumble upon a new word then I have to spell it slowly to make sure I'm not mispronouncing it, but it's actually the same in English (for example with the word like Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, that's how it feels to read unknown words in a foreign script) but later on the words become the smallest unit and not letters
But actually Russian was hard for me because at first I didn't listen to the spoken language at all, I only read some texts for example on 4chan or in video games chat, but the sounds that I "learned" from the internet were wrong, for example щ was transcripted as "szcz" (or shch in English), but the corresponding Polish sound is actually "ś", but now I know pretty much all the true sounds

[Anonymous No.21618129]

>>21615954
Learning the sounds of several dozen symbols (and even if the language uses the Latin alphabet you still need to learn new sounds for at least some of the letters) is much easier than learning the grammar of the language and the meanings of thousands of words.

[Anonymous No.21618140]

>>21613301
>yeah just learn Russian cursive.
picrel is a good handwriting, not even some doctor shit. That said you don't need to.read cursive well tonread books.

[Anonymous No.21618181]

>>21614429
it's a bit or a challenge it you're learning something really different like Arabic, but the Greek alphabet is literally just the Latin alphabet with different letter shapes