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[Anonymous No.21605974]

Where can I learn the actual meaning of the Bible? The esoteric metaphorical meaning.

[Anonymous No.21605980]

>>21605974
Make something up. That's what esoteric means, you make something up and then force a reading of it in whatever book you want. I can find an esoteric doctrine in Animorph books

[Anonymous No.21605981]

>>21605980
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.21605996]

>>21605981
>Fuck off
You can find infinite meaning in those two words if you just meditate on them long enough. Fucking, the fundamental cause of human existence. Off, representing the outside and unknown. A deep story about human life is simply a jump into the void. The lack of a subject shows that there is no God to witness our lives

[Anonymous No.21606009]

>The restored New Testament
>the Hellenic fragments, freed from the pseudo-Jewish interpolations, harmonized, and done into English verse and prose with introductory analyses, and commentaries, giving interpretation according to ancient philosophy and psychology and new literal translation of the Synoptic Gospels, with introduction and commentaries
by Pryse, James M. (James Morgan), b. 1859

https://archive.org/details/restorednewtesta00pry/page/n7/mode/2up

[Anonymous No.21606019]

>the actual meaning which is sekrit gnostic bullshit for special smart people like myself ;)
>*faps to tranny porn*

[Anonymous No.21606023]

>>21605974
The Bible is 100% straightforward. Metaphoric interpretation is coping.

[Anonymous No.21606029]

>>21606019
Why else is the Church called the bride of Christ? First thing that happens when you get to heaven is J-Dawg rails your asshole. That's why sodomy is forbidden down here, he wants you nice and tight

[Anonymous No.21606735]

>>21605974
Check out some commentaries. Origen is particularly well regarded on this front, especially in his commentaries on the Pentateuch and Song of Songs. At the end of Augustine's Confessions he talks at great length about how the beginning of Genesis should be interpreted as well.
Particularly for the OT, many Christians have tried to tie it in to the NT with different parts foreshadowing the gospels. Some of the psalms have been interpreted as being from Jesus' perspective too.
Keep in mind that there's a lot of different takes on what might be metaphorical in the bible, and most of them are shit.
Also, the bible isn't really an esoteric book and there isn't a hidden secret in it, just things that will deepen your understanding of it.

[Anonymous No.21606891]

>>21606735
>Particularly for the OT, many Christians have tried to tie it in to the NT with different parts foreshadowing the gospels
Yeah and those are retards, saying the OT stories are metaphors of Jesus, not realizing the stories of Jesus are as much metaphor themselves.

[Anonymous No.21606897]

>>21606735
>a lot of different takes on
I'm interested in the truth, not takes, speculations or theories
>the bible isn't really an esoteric book and there isn't a hidden secret in it
wrong

[Anonymous No.21606947]

Is this the bible thread? I want to ask about the immaculate conception. As I understand it, the idea is that Jesus could only have been born free from sin if he didn't inherit it from his parents, which requires that Mary be free from sin herself. Therefore, she must have been immaculately conceived.

But doesn't this create an infinite regress? Wouldn't Mary's mother also have to have been immaculately conceived? And her mother in turn? What am I misunderstanding?

[Anonymous No.21606948]

>>21606897
This is what you are looking for:
https://www.truthunity.net/mbd

The esoteric meaning of the Bible are comporable to the concept of 'understanding' in the East: it is both available here and now, in front of your face, and at the same time deeply veiled by habituation.

Understand what is meant, when Moses asks God for his name, and God says I was, I will be, and I am what I choose to be. And then Jesus usurps this title, saying in John, I AM.

God is none other than being. Your life is God. That's it. That's the metaphysical meaning.

Christ's two commandments supply the ethical imperative of the above realization: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

God is being, the essence that brings life to inanimate matter, that 'raises the dead', that 'makes these bones walk'.

When you understand that all creatures share the same source of being, that there is ONLY ONE being, then the commandment (found in all religons) to treat others as you would have them treat you, becomes no longer a commandment, no longer becomes a law. The one who understands the source of being, the truth, the way, the light, the good — becomes free. He is no longer bound by the law. He becomes a law unto himself.

1 Corinthians 3:16: Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in your midst?

Praise God!

[Anonymous No.21606962]

>>21606947
Understand what is meant by this mythological equation: Jesus is the son of God, conceived by Mary without sex.

Jesus breaks free of the chain of conditioned reflexes going back to the beginning of biology, and becomes a free agent.

All of us are bond not just by our relationships, not just by our childhood, not just by our collective cultural inheritances ... — but by the entire chain of being stretching into the unknown past, eons and eons of conditioning. Biological conditioning, cultural conditioning, and so on.

Jesus broke free and became what he was. And so can you.

[Anonymous No.21606964]

>>21606948
>comporable to the concept of 'understanding'
yeah I know
>it is both available here and now
wrong, you're one of these retards who think that any retard can read the bible and know what it means, with zero study, I guess I don't even have to know the language of the bible I'm reading, just open the bible to a toddler and he will get it all amirite fuck protestants are dumb

[Anonymous No.21606966]

>>21606948
>When you understand that all creatures share the same source of being, that there is ONLY ONE being
Based. Since there is only one being I own everything. I can't steal from myself. Raping someone is just a form of masturbation

[Anonymous No.21606978]

>>21606962
That has literally nothing to do with what I asked.

[Anonymous No.21606989]

>>21606947
>Is this the bible thread?
Learn to read, no it's not, go make your own fucking thread instead of shitting up mine with off-topic.

[Anonymous No.21606991]

>>21606964
Love God, Love your Neighbor as yourself.

It doesn't get any clearer than that. The rest is commentary. All it takes is one chink in the dam, the rest will come flooding through.

[Anonymous No.21606997]

>>21606978
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

[Anonymous No.21606999]

>>21606991
how about you fuck off and be a retard somewhere else

[Anonymous No.21607005]

>>21606962
>>21606978
>>21606997
take your fucking off-topic discussion in a thread of its own

[Anonymous No.21607007]

>>21606989
It's the closest in the catalogue and your question is easily answered with the ESVSB.

[Anonymous No.21607009]

>>21607007
learn how to make a thread dumbass

[Anonymous No.21607015]

>>21605981
>>21606897
>>21606964
>>21606999
>>21607005
>>21606989
Why are you so mad? Calm down lol

[Anonymous No.21607016]

>>21607015
you're a fucking retard shitting up my thread which is now 90% off-topic, fuck off

[Anonymous No.21607023]

>nooo don't post in my thread

[Anonymous No.21607055]

>>21607016
That's my first post. 90% of the posts are you getting angry at anons responding to you. Grow up

[Anonymous No.21607085]

Easy is my yoke and light is my burden.

You want to know the metaphoric teaching of the Bible?

Jesus had taught 5000 people and now they were hungry. Someone up front had a couple fish and a few loaves of bread. The disciples said to Jesus, let us have our fill, there is no sense in trying to feed so many people with so little, it wouldn't make sense. We will all walk away hungry, said the disciples.

But Jesus said, pass it around and see what happens.

And not only did every one of the 5000 eat there fill, but when the food came back there was MORE TO BE SPARED. In fact, baskets and baskets of food came back, even more than they had initially passed out the crowd.

Do you understand yet?

Do not be miserly with love and goodwill. Do not hoard it for your own fill. You will never have enough for yourself!

But pass it around, and you will receive forty fold what you paid out.

[Anonymous No.21607090]

>>21605974
since you're bringing up the gospel of john,
>Jesus answered him, “I have spoken openly to the world. I have always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where all Jews come together. I have said nothing in secret.

[Anonymous No.21607117]

>>21607055
fuck off from this thread

[Anonymous No.21607118]

>>21606009
I’m buying this

[Anonymous No.21607124]

>>21607090
>protestant who thinks you can just open a bible for a toddler and they will understand it all

[Anonymous No.21607129]

>>21607085
When I was asking where I can learn I meant books etc not (you), spare me your wisdom.

[Anonymous No.21607175]

>>21607129
Read every book, turn every rock, split every tree, and you will never find it.

I am sorry to break the news.

Understanding is not a thing, it is not an object of knowledge. It is a thing of the spirit. It is a way of RELATING. 'The Kingdom of God is within you.'

To understand any text you must be posessed by the spirit of the author. If you want to understand Faulkner, you've got to have the mind of Faulkner within you. If you want to understand a divinely inspired text, whether it's the Tao te Ching, the Bhagvad Gita, the Bible, then you need to be posessed by the HOLY spirit, the MIND of God.

[Anonymous No.21607210]

>>21606989
>>21606999
>>21607005
>>21607016
Brother, I fear that learning The Truth may not be of much help to you at this point.

[Anonymous No.21607258]

>>21607117
>>21607023

[Anonymous No.21607262]

>>21607175
Completely true

[Anonymous No.21607327]

>>21607175
good, then I will apply this to your posts and not read them

[Anonymous No.21607332]

>>21605996
>You can find infinite meaning in those two words if you just meditate on them long enough. Fucking, the fundamental cause of human existence. Off, representing the outside and unknown. A deep story about human life is simply a jump into the void. The lack of a subject shows that there is no God to witness our lives
shit post and shit take

[Anonymous No.21607343]

protestants are dumb as fuck

[Anonymous No.21607348]

>>21607332
as a vast majority of posts itt

[Anonymous No.21607350]

>>21606897
>wrong
How do you know?

[Anonymous No.21607357]

>>21607350
several sources, here's one, also it's obvious when reading posts by literalist retards that their interpretation is not what the bible is actually about

[Anonymous No.21607373]

>>21607357
That quote seems very similar to Origen's take on the Pentateuch, which I recommended earlier in the thread. He's worth the read for his thoughts on allegorical interpretation, even if you disagree with the interpretations he comes up with.

[Anonymous No.21607387]

>>21607373
I saw a website by some Freemasons who talked about esoteric meaning in the Bible but I forgot to bookmark it and then I haven't found it again. It talked about how when Jesus, Mary and Joseph wander in the desert that's metaphor.

[Anonymous No.21607398]

>>21607387
Unfortunately I'm only familiar with mainstream Christian takes on this topic. Best of luck in finding what you need.

[Anonymous No.21607411]

>>21607357
>As applied to Masonry, the three sunbursts represent the gates of the temple at which CHiram was struck, there being no gate in the north because the sun never shines from the northern angle of the heavens. The north is the symbol of the physical because of its relation to ice (crystallized water) and to the body (crystallized spirit). In man the light shines toward the north but never from it, because the body has no light of its own but shines with the reflected glory of the divine life-particles concealed within physical substance. For this reason the moon is accepted as the symbol of man's physical nature. CHiram is the mysterious fiery, airy water which must be raised through the three grand centers symbolized by the ladder with three rungs and the sunburst flowers mentioned in the description of the Hindu painting. It must also pass upward by means of the ladder of seven rungs-the seven plexuses proximate to the spine. The nine segments of the sacrum and coccyx are pierced by ten foramina, through which pass the roots of the Tree of Life. Nine is the sacred number of man, and in the symbolism of the sacrum and coccyx a great mystery is concealed. That part of the body from the kidneys downward was termed by the early Qabbalists the Land of Egypt into which the children of Israel were taken during the captivity. Out of Egypt, Moses (the illuminated mind, as his name implies) led the tribes of Israel (the twelve faculties) by raising the brazen serpent in the wilderness upon the symbol of the Tau cross. Not only CHiram but the god-men of nearly every pagan Mystery ritual are personifications of the Spirit Fire in the human spinal cord.
https://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta18.htm

[Anonymous No.21607424]

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding."

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

You have to believe on Jesus and then you will have the indwelling of the holy spirit to guide and teach you.

bannedpreaching.com/videos/BIBLEWAYTOHEAVEN.mp4

[Anonymous No.21607450]

>>21607424
fuck off protestant smoothbrain, this thread is not for you

[Anonymous No.21607476]

Here's the esoteric meaning of the Behemoth and Leviathan
https://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/cdg/cdg43.htm
Info on Moses
>MOSES AN INITIATE
https://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/cdg/cdg45.htm

[Anonymous No.21607521]

>>21605974
Esoteric meaning just means you're coming up with your own thing. It's not true, so it's nothing but a waste of time. In 2 Peter it says, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20)

[Anonymous No.21607609]

>>21607521
So talking snakes, dragons, a woman being turned to salt, a man who gains physical strength from his long hair ... all literal?

[Anonymous No.21607619]

>>21605974
>the actual meaning of
lmao this nigga doesn't understand that the books of the bible were selected by a committee
>The esoteric metaphorical meaning.
LOL just be a good person bro, don't take it seriously, it's not that complicated

[Anonymous No.21607627]

>>21607609
The one about the woman being turned to salt happened. The other ones you seem to be misinterpreting a bit because that's not quite technically what it said. Samson didn't literally gain strength simply from keeping his nazarite vows, after all there were other people who were also nazarites; rather it was God that did it. It was all done for a specific reason to show us some things, and there are many teachings that find their application here. The term dragon is used in the Bible interchangeably with serpent, so that's nothing out of the ordinary. And unicorns are the same as rhinocerous, according to the 1611 footnotes they even specifically told us that. Lastly, the "serpent" entity didn't become a full-on snake until after it was cursed. It may have looked like something else before the fall. But we also have a talking donkey in another place, so yes there are very unusual things that have happened, but they all did for a reason. Hope that helps anon. Something can literally happen and at the same time have important lessons for us in them. For instance, Sodom and Gomorrha were destroyed with physical fire and brimstone, but it served a purpose to teach us that God considers it an abomination. Hence in 2 Peter 2:6 it says, "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;"

[Anonymous No.21607649]

>>21607627
>The one about the woman being turned to salt happened.
You have brain damage.

[Anonymous No.21607654]

>>21607649
Glad I could help anon

[Anonymous No.21607719]

>Suppose you tell a dozen people the facts of reincarnation as YOU understand them. Let us also suppose that you have thoroughly investigated the subject from every possible angle over the course of many years. Will each of your auditors share your understanding to the same extent? Will they even agree on the essential facts after you have patiently explained them? If you have any experience at all of human nature the answer to both questions must be in the negative. Moreover, by the time those 12 people have related what they have understood to another dozen of their friends, and these have passed this knowledge on in turn, how much of what you painstakingly conveyed in plain, simple words will be left? If you are honest, you will admit very little. Now imagine that some busybody, or even a whole meddling tribe of them, comes along every hundred years or so, and 'improves' your record to make it 'easier' to understand.

>Had the wisdom hidden in the Bible been expressed in such a way it is doubtful whether any of it would have survived intact, especially during the early centuries of the Christian era, when every legitimate and illegitimate means were employed to expunge any taint of esotericism from the dogmas of the Church. By concealing such knowledge under the cloak of simple, allegorical tales all could read and understand, the compilers and authors of the Bible ensured the preservation of the hidden wisdom for posterity.
http://www.occult-mysteries.org/hidden-wisdom-bible.html

[Anonymous No.21607731]

>>21607627
autism

[Anonymous No.21607779]

>>21605974
You? where can *you* learn it? Nowhere. *You* cannot learn it.

[Anonymous No.21607783]

>>21605974
Well, it's esoteric, so you can't just read about it...

[Anonymous No.21607807]

>>21606023
But there are a bunch of weird things that seem like something more. Like the number 40 keeps popping up.

Moses stays on Mount Sinai for 40 days and nights. Before his temptation, Jesus fasted "forty days and forty nights" in the Judean desert. Forty days was the period from the resurrection of Jesus to the ascension of Jesus. According to Stephen, Moses' life is divided into three 40-year segments, separated by his growing to adulthood, fleeing from Egypt, and his return to lead his people. In modern Christian practice, Lent consists of the 40 days preceding Easter. In much of Western Christianity, Sundays are excluded from the count, there are 46 days in total of Lent; in Eastern Christianity, Sundays are included. The Forty Martyrs of Sebaste. Kirk Kilisse, "Forty Churches" in Eastern Thrace. Rain fell for "forty days and forty nights" during the deluge.

And then there are all those bizarre parallels between classical Paganism and Christianity.

The virgin Persephone's son, who was conceived by her father Zeus, was Dionysus. Dionysus is the god of bread and wine, Jesus is the transformer of water into wine and the multiplier of loaves of bread, and his primary rite involves the consecration of bread and wine which are said to transmute into the literal presence of the Lord, like in the Eleusian mysteries where the stalk of grain was to represent the literal presence of Persephone. Jesus was the son of the Virgin Mary, just as Dionysus was the son of the virgin Persephone, and in both cases the father God of heaven conceived in the virgin to give birth to a god of bread and wine. In the Greek instance, it's the maiden mother who descended into the underworld; in the Christian, it's her son the culture hero. In the Greek, the mother is resurrected as the staple wheat crop; in the Christian, the son is resurrected as the physical bread of life. Even the primordial even that initiated the whole cycle in both stories was the lord of the underworld using a plant to tempt the maiden into his clutches.

So what do you make of all that, retard?

[Anonymous No.21607825]

>>21605974
Neville Goddard (Law of Assumption [LOA]) did Biblical interpretation.

[Anonymous No.21607855]

>>21605980
Based post-modernist

[Anonymous No.21607864]

>>21607807
You might like this anon
https://pathofregeneration.org/search/The+return+of+persephone

[Anonymous No.21607890]

>Initiation in St. John’s Gospel
>The first eleven verses in the second chapter contain the allegorical representation of the last and final Initiation; herein we find mention of all the divine and human “principles” veiled in allegorical language, and personified, and of the purification wrought in them by Initiation; the incident ends abruptly and mysteriously, so much so, that we have reason to suspect that more was originally added. A very superficial knowledge of the laws of esoteric allegory shows it to be so.

>The main point of the allegory is the turning of “Water” (the Astral) into “Wine,” or Matter into Spirit.
https://blavatskytheosophy.com/initiation-in-st-johns-gospel/

[Anonymous No.21608365]

>>21605974
Jordan Peterson and Dennis Prager have accesible, contemporaneous views

[Anonymous No.21608715]

>>21607476
Moses wasn't an initiate, he's a fictional character and a metaphor.

[Anonymous No.21608718]

>>21607521
>Esoteric meaning just means you're coming up with your own thing.
no it doesn't retard

[Anonymous No.21608721]

>>21607627
>literalist
didn't read, fuck off

[Anonymous No.21608731]

>>21607719
What's your point?
>simple, allegorical tales all could read and understand
That's clearly not true since most Christians are retards who interpret those allegories as literal history.

[Anonymous No.21608745]

>>21607783
not necessarily a correct interpretation of the word "esoteric"

[Anonymous No.21608750]

>>21607783
not necessarily a correct interpretation of the word "esoteric"

[Anonymous No.21608755]

>>21608750

[Anonymous No.21608840]

>>21606989
you big fag lmao

[Anonymous No.21608870]

>>21607807
1- The writers liked the number 40
2- The writers got inspiration from other religions

Its not that hard

[Anonymous No.21608994]

>>21607807
>these stories are the same because they both have characters
come on man they are clearly two different stories

[Anonymous No.21609187]

>>21608731
The point was to show why they used and needed strange symbols and stories like in this post >>21607609
>CIRCUMLOCUTIONS.--"Every time you find in our books a tale, the reality of which seems impossible, a story which repugnant both to reason and common sense, then be sure that tale contains a profound allegory veiling a deeply mysterious truth; and the greater the absurdity of the letter the deeper the wisdom of the spirit." RABBI MOSES MAIMONIDES.

[Anonymous No.21609450]

>>21608718
This is what finding "esoteric meaning" is. Time to admit it, anon.

[Anonymous No.21609472]

Oy veh, a literalist made a post in my esoteric thread--

[Anonymous No.21610650]

Read the church fathers

[Anonymous No.21610659]

>>21605974
You know where.

[Anonymous No.21610757]

>>21605974
Well that's what you want to believe the Bible is about. But we know it's not about anything other than what it appears to be about because the apostles had disciples and they also wrote down what they believed. And those disciples had their own disciples, and they also were very wordy in writing down what the Bible meant. None of it is esoteric New Age type stuff that you want it to be.

[Anonymous No.21610792]

>>21605974
>actual meaning
>esoteric
Pick one

[Anonymous No.21611046]

>The Chaldean Account of the Deluge
by George Smith
Transactions of the Society of Biblical Archaeology 2 [1873] 213-34.
https://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/chad/chad.htm

[Anonymous No.21611107]

>>21606019
>*faps to tranny porn*
Based

[Anonymous No.21611157]

The core of Christianity and the New Testmanet is, “Jesus is the Son of God.” It revolves around His Sonship to God. A frequent claim in “mystical” or “esoteric” writings and teachings is, “So are You and I.”

However, ironically, even this message of the absolute equality, Brotherhood and Sisterhood of humanity and equal Sonship or Daughtership before God, is exploited by New Age or megalomaniacal cults which aim to make it seem as if they’ve become superior to the rest of humanity or are guarding some special esoteric inner knowledge, and are now the uniquely new qualified “Church” to speak on such mysteries.

Read the Gospels, read more of the New Testament, think of it for yourself, see what it makes you feel, what insights it gives you; then, say, read the verses of Walt Whitman or William Blake. This itself is already “mysticism,” or an especially devoted, close and intensely faithful initiative towards the understanding of a religion and relationship with that same religion.

Also, the Gnostic Nag Hammadi tractates and other apocryphal texts excluded from the Scriptures are also rather interesting to read if you’re actually sincerely interested in this question and not just trolling or baiting “to get wacky deluded narcissistic esotericists to embarrass themselves.” I mean hey …. It’s not like much of Western society, civilization, culture, and our conception of religion could have been DELIBERATELY warped, prodded in that direction, obscured, edited, distorted, altered, the original message twisted for means of social control and out of the megalomaniacal pretensions of the learned divines and clergy wanting to monopolize the role of intermediary to the Divine instead of letting the commonafolk conceive they can have access to God without a hierarchical totalitarian structure as an intermediary??? … heh heh, right, guys? Guys? Goys?”

[Anonymous No.21611170]

>>21605974
Commentaries of st. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas.

[Anonymous No.21611304]

>>21610757
>>21610792
>esoteric: intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest
That's exactly what the Bible has, an esoteric meaning for the initiated and an exoteric meaning for the profane.

[Anonymous No.21611341]

>>21611304
KJV Matt 4:11, 12
>11And he(Jesus) said unto them(his disciples), Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables
>12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

[Anonymous No.21611375]

>>21611341
Yeah what's your point?

[Anonymous No.21611474]

>>21611341
The point is Jesus himself is saying there is a such thing as hidden or esoteric wisdom meant only for a chosen few that are worthy.

[Anonymous No.21611479]

>>21611474
Meant for>>21611375

[Anonymous No.21611491]

>>21611474
Yeah most likely Freemasons, you have to be deemed worthy of initiation by the more highly initiated to be initiated further.

[Anonymous No.21611511]

>>21611474
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.21611520]

>>21611511
>"He who would enter into the realm of Wisdom must first divest himself of all intellectual pride. Prejudices, pre-conceived opinions and beliefs always stand in the way of true wisdom. Conceited opinions are always suicidal in their influences. They bar the door to the entrance of Truth."
Ralph Waldo Trine

[Anonymous No.21611531]

>>21611520
why would I care about what he says?
never understood why peoplelle treat people like this as primary sources

[Anonymous No.21611542]

>>21611531
Doesn't matter. The quote is true. I even quoted Jesus words from the Bible to support my point and get told to fuck off lol

[Anonymous No.21611614]

>>21605974
you can't properly understand the Bible if you are not a saved Christian. The Holy Spirit indwells the believers and if you're not a believer, you do not have the the Holy Spirit indwelling you to teach you the meaning behind the scriptures.

watch this gospel video if you want to repent of your unbelief and be sure of going to heaven. after you get saved by believing on Jesus, you should read the King James Bible (the preserved Word of God in the English language).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf3uF0juIVI

[Anonymous No.21611619]

>>21611614
>>21605974
I also wanted to add, when you get your KJV Bible, don't get a study bible, or a bible with commentaries and footnotes. Get the KJV Bible without footnotes or commentaries. if you're a saved Christian, the Holy Ghost will teach you the meaning behind the scriptures when you read your Bible.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

[Anonymous No.21611638]

>>21611614
>you can't properly understand the Bible if you are not a Christian
Stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.21611650]

>>21611542
Not gonna join your pedo cult

[Anonymous No.21611904]

>>21611474
"What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops."
- Matthew 10:27

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
- Mark 16:15

I don't see anything in here about hidden, occult, esoteric, gnostic, etc.

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"
- Revelation 14:6

It sounds like you're trying to shoehorn in some kind of false doctrine. The only reason people don't understand the Gospel is because they choose not to and resist the Spirit of God. It really isn't that hard to grasp in actuality, there is no secret code language that requires you to pull out a decoder pin or anything like that. You're being scammed if someone is selling you one, anon.

[Anonymous No.21611908]

>>21611619
Yeah make sure to pray in the Lord's name also.

[Anonymous No.21611934]

>>21611904
Than why does Jesus not give freely to the everyone "the mystery of the kingdom of God"? He clearly makes a distinction between the types of teachings he gives to the two groups of people.
In Matt 4:12 he describes the masses as not being suitable candidates for it.
>12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

[Anonymous No.21612033]

>>21605974
I think this might be a good place to start if nothing else. I've been slowly working my way through this list

[Anonymous No.21612302]

There are a handful of responses in any online discussion about Christianity about how protestants are dumb and that is about the extent of contribution to the subject I have seen from fake online Catholics. Why???

[Anonymous No.21612307]

>>21607450
Here's a challenge, explain to me how to get into heaven with scripture

[Anonymous No.21612347]

>>21612033
Nice. Thanks for sharing.

[Anonymous No.21612897]

>>21606966
it's bait but that doesn't make sense because by harming others, you harm yourself. raping someone is unpleasent for them, so it's like the pleasure emo people gain by cutting themselves—which is very gay, i'm sure you agree. you accidentally outed yourself with this one

[Anonymous No.21613000]

>>21605974

https://sensuscatholicus.jimdofree.com/blog/
https://sensuscatholicus.substack.com/
https://vedavyasamandala.com/en/initiation-and-method-of-hesychasm/
https://antsur.ru/en/somatopsychic-techniques-in-greek-orthodox-christianity-february-1957/
https://vedavyasamandala.com/en/testi/tradizioni-occidentali/labyrinthos/meister-eckhart-e-la-conoscenza-dellassoluto/

Philip Sherrard
Jean Hani
Wolfgang Smith
Jean Borella
François Chenique
Abbé Henri Stéphane (Introduction à l'ésotérisme chrétien)
Juan González Arintero, O.P.

[Anonymous No.21613038]

>>21605974
The Bible teaches itself. You have to study it over your whole life and walk with the Lord. Esotericists fall prey to their own laziness and pride. They end up being deceived by demons and the slaves of demons in their search for a shortcut and secret knowledge. Christ is the Hidden Manna. Christ is the door. He is the shortcut to unity with God. The Holy Spirit is the one who will show you what is hidden in the Word. He does that when you repent of your sins, confess Christ, ask to receive the Holy Spirit, and live your life according to the Word of the Living God.

If you'd rather fall prey to demons, there are plenty of sects of predators who have esoteric interpretations of Scripture. A waste of time that costs an eternity of suffering to pay off.

[Anonymous No.21613046]

>>21605996
Pothead philosophy at its finest - useless thoughts, from arrogant men.

[Anonymous No.21613065]

>>21612033
>Pageau
no thanks

[Anonymous No.21613070]

>>21613038
Spoken like a true protestant-retard. Just open the Bible to a toddler, wtf he doesn't get it? He must be a sinner.

[Anonymous No.21613264]

>>21611619
>>21613000
good posts

[Anonymous No.21613321]

>>21611619
>the Holy Ghost will teach you the meaning behind the scriptures when you read your Bible.
This is clearly bullshit and usual protestant retardation, as evidenced by the many "saved Christian" retards on 4chan who believe the Bible is literal. Holy fuck I have no patience with protestant retards, they're being psyoped and don't even know it.
>just open the bible to a toddler, wtf he doesn't get it? that means he's not saved

[Anonymous No.21613382]

>>21606023
>The Bible is 100% straightforward.
How does it contradict the fact that there's a metaphorical interpretation along with its straightforwardness? Judaism and Christianity both see deep metaphors everywhere in the Bible. The fact that Jesus spoke in parables demonstrates that that's the right way to do it. How can you even have a religion without metaphors?

[Anonymous No.21613388]

>>21605974
You can start with Maximus the Confessor.

[Anonymous No.21613391]

>>21613000
outstanding

[Anonymous No.21613411]

>>21607090
The fact that the truth is in plain sight doesn't mean it's easy to comprehend it. That Jesus said nothing in secret doesn't contradict the esoteric nature of Christianity, unless by esoteric you mean some purposefully hidden knowledge accessible only to the elites. It's like mathematics is all there in the plain sight, theoretically you could learn all of it yourself in a prison cell without the access to the outside world.

[Anonymous No.21613507]

>>21613065
swine

[Anonymous No.21613736]

>>21613070
Nice strawman. Die in your ignorance and sin. You are responsible for your own life. Besides, children have the easiest time of all people believing in and building a relationship with God. My sister and I used to read KJV for fun by ourselves at 6 and 8 years old. We had no trouble understanding it. The Word is open even to children. If you weren't so ignorant, you'd know that.

[Anonymous No.21613749]

>>21607023
>what secrets does the Bible contain?
>tell us...
>TELL US NOW

[Anonymous No.21613774]

>>21605980
This. The author is dead.

[Anonymous No.21614387]

>>21613736
believing in God =/= understanding the Bible, retard

[Anonymous No.21614721]

>>21614387
Without God, you have no hope of understanding the Bible.

[Anonymous No.21614984]

>>21611934
>Than why does Jesus not give freely to the everyone "the mystery of the kingdom of God"?
He does give them the Gospel, they just reject it. So that leads to them being unable to understand anything else. Basically if you don't get the basics, or refuse to accept them I should say, then you won't be able to understand anything beyond it. But the responsibility for that lies with the person doing the refusing.

"And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." (John 5:40)

[Anonymous No.21615000]

>>21613749
Wo shadi slamo

[Anonymous No.21615009]

>>21605974
Have you ever considered learning Greek and Hebrew? Ρακα

[Anonymous No.21615155]

>>21614721
Without knowing English/Latin/Greek/Hebrew/grammar/logic/rhetoric/basic philosophy you have no hope of understanding the Bible, in other words you will never understand it

[Anonymous No.21615167]

>>21614984
>He does give them the Gospel, they just reject it
That's not what it says. Even here:
KJV Matt 13:10, 11.
>10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
>11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

[Anonymous No.21615204]

>>21615167
You skipped verse 13 anon, and the full explanation.

"Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."
(Matthew 13:13)

Certain people already refuse the truth, so they are unable to understand the meaning of the parables. They will understand neither the parable itself nor the explanation thereof.

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."
(Revelation 22:17)

"Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."
(Matthew 13:9)

[Anonymous No.21615352]

>>21615204
If there was no difference in Jesus' teachings he would not say "but to them it is not given".

[Anonymous No.21615376]

>>21615352
>"but to them it is not given".
Again, you have taken this out of its context. The reason why this is so is because they will not hear. To those who have, more will be given unto abundance. Matthew 13:12.

So, the distinguishing reason here is just because some refuse the truth. And to those people, even what they seem to have, will be taken away. But to those who do have the truth, because of accepting it, even more will be given.

[Anonymous No.21616355]

>>21613507
we know it's you Matthieu, and we know you made the chart, pay for an ad

[Anonymous No.21616362]

>>21605974
Sadly, Porn

[Anonymous No.21616374]

>wa wa I'm a Christian, that means I automatically get the full depth of the meaning of the Bible, because I'm saved!
the absolute state of protestanttards

[Anonymous No.21616420]

>>21615155
I read in Latin every day, have like 7 books in Hebrew in my room including the Tanakh, and have far better knowledge of the latter categories than you have any hope of, you well-stuffed pompous half-wit. You have the privilege of speaking to someone in the top 1% of English speakers, who's studied the Word top to bottom, bested only by scholars. It is a privilege wasted on you. You're just another arrogant scoffer. You'll die in the same ignorance you were swaddled in.

[Anonymous No.21616425]

>>21616420
what's your point retard?

[Anonymous No.21616433]

>>21616425
Just this. Enjoy Hell. Like everyone else there, you'll have earned it.

[Anonymous No.21616441]

>>21616433
Luke 6:37
Matthew 7:1-3

[Anonymous No.21616475]

>>21616433
make an actual argument or fuck off

[Anonymous No.21616477]

>>21616441
Satan quotes scriptures too. Your knowledge won't save you.

[Anonymous No.21616484]

>>21616475
I already smashed your argument, brainlet, but I said what had to say.

[Anonymous No.21616494]

>>21616484
>I already smashed your argument
nah you didn't, and you're clearly a brainlet if you think having a discourse is about smashing the other, emotional thinker

[Anonymous No.21616540]

>>21605974
By asking a priest, you know, the one person that spends their days reading the Bible and learning all its secrets.

[Anonymous No.21616545]

>>21616477
I'm not even the guy you're debating with but ok. It's just not wise to tell someone they are going to hell.

[Anonymous No.21616562]

St Teresa of Avila has some pretty good mystical stuff. "The Interior Castle" is her most popular book.

[Anonymous No.21616574]

>>21605996
I laughed.

[Anonymous No.21616586]

>>21616562
>female
not reading it

[Anonymous No.21616614]

>>21616540
That assumes OP really wants to know in the end.

[Anonymous No.21616629]

>>21616540
priests in my country are lesbians, priests in america don't exist, they have pastors who don't know shit, which explains the state of american christians

[Anonymous No.21616689]

>>21616586
A female that is married to Jesus and will be judging your soul during the apocalypse. Put some respect on her name

[Anonymous No.21616694]

>>21616689
still not reading

[Anonymous No.21616731]

i have a somewhat related question.
>read NIV bible audiobook almost completely (im at the final letters then i have revelations)
>see common scripture name like, oh i dont fucking know, psalm whatever chapter: whatever verse)
>have literally no idea what those specific verse are referencing
did i goof reading in audiobook format? i mean that pretty much how medieval peasants took it. also i might read another translation to see if i get more out of it. recommendations?

[Anonymous No.21616958]

>>21605974

[Anonymous No.21616985]

>>21616731
no one memorizes verses on one read-through.
just look it up and if you think it's important, commit it to memory.

[Anonymous No.21617576]

>>21616355
First time seeing someone hold a grudge against a semi hermit who wrote one book. I don't know why but the 3 Pageau brothers have done work to turn people to God at least, what have you bothered to do at all?

[Anonymous No.21617582]

>genuinely feel a close connection to Jesus
>believe there is definitely an esoteric meaning to much of the bible
>can't put faith in Catholicism because we 'know them by their fruits'
>can't join Orthodoxy because I'm in the west. In the east, every attempt left me with a sour taste which felt like a warning
>like Protestantism, but it's shallow as a puddle and completely relativistic
>know too much about pagan religions that apologetics against its overlap in the bible is just pure cope; once again owing to why I think there is an esoteric meaning
What do? I can't be as so arrogant to draw my own conclusions. I really do believe in Jesus in some way, but just not in the traditional Christian way I guess. The closest thing that comes to mind are the church fathers, especially Gregory of Palmas, and some of the Western mystics like John of the Cross, Avilla, Eckhart. These people clearly understood a deeper meaning to the bible, but we don't see that in Liturgy/mass/sermons.
>>21613065
>>21612033
Yeah his book is shit, it's completely made up exegesis with literally 0 references. Isn't he Orthodox? If so then that's just heretical.

[Anonymous No.21617593]

>>21617582
>can't join Orthodoxy because I'm in the west
this makes no sense

[Anonymous No.21617705]

>>21617593
There's no churches within 4 hours of me, and they are diaspora churches in Greek/Russian/Romanian, no English

[Anonymous No.21617810]

>>21617582
If you can't be bothered to invest in a local community at all and you're also unwilling to move, then you wouldn't be a contributive person of value to any of them anyway

[Anonymous No.21618222]

>>21617810
It wouldn't matter anyway, they're just diaspora social clubs.
Besides like I said, my heavy inquiry into Orthodoxy during my 6 months in Greece and Romania has left a sour taste in my mouth short of everything that is monasticism. Too many red flags that you don't see with orthoLARPers online. Just pride, ethnocentrism and hubris amongst them. It's not any different from Catholicism in practice it seems (but with added ethnocentrism).

[Anonymous No.21618587]

>>21616545
I disagree. Many never even think about it, yet that is where most will find themselves in the end. They should think about it deeply.

[Anonymous No.21618656]

>>21613382
https://www.ccel.org/a/aquinas/summa/FP/FP001.html#FPQ1A9THEP1
Aquinas writes about this in the Summa Theologica, part 1, question 1, articles nine and ten
Might be a useful resource, kind of how the metaphorical meanings are the literal meanings, it's confusing to understand but makes sense when you think about it.

[Anonymous No.21618659]

>>21611934
He does give it freely, but people choose to not accept it for many different reasons.

[Anonymous No.21618701]

>>21617582
Maybe Jan Hus would interest you.
And denomination isn't important. Catholics, protestants, orthodox, they all go to heaven in the end.

The Bible doesn't say you have to worship Christ in a certain way to be saved, just that you must accept Christ into your heart. Is it possible that one way is sinful and another is not? Yes, but Jesus' sacrifice cleanses us of our sins as long as we accept Him truly into our heart and accept that we are all sinners.

Denomination doesn't matter as long as you accept Christ, His word, and repent for your sins.

[Anonymous No.21619613]

>>21605974
any catholic study bible
or just ask your local priest

[Anonymous No.21620654]

>>21618222
I know what you're talking about as I myself am ethnic Orthodox but in the West. Everything you've said is true, but I must say that the ethnocentrism has historical reasons. The people would not have survived in their own countries if they were not Orthodox and they had to group together at churches to survive when they immigrated here. The attitudes of the common people should not interfere with the Church but they have until recently. I also understand what you mean that anything less than monasticism doesn't cut it. Perhaps you can visit an English language monastery in your country.
If you ever make it to an English language Orthodox church you may have a better experience. I've been going to some and ethnicity is of no concern. They are also more palatable culturally. At one of the ones I go to the choir sings in a Western classical music style but the liturgy is Byzantine Rite.
In any case your heart is in the right place. Seraphim Rose said that it is becoming harder to find a spiritual father and in the case that it is not possible then just read the Bible and Church Fathers and live a life of fasting and prayer. Sounds like you've done that already. Godspeed.

[Anonymous No.21621556]

>>21605974
>Where can I learn the actual meaning of the Bible? The esoteric metaphorical meaning.
Galya Raza, Talmud, Zohar, Midrashim

[Anonymous No.21621696]

>>21605974
by reading Orthodox Church Fathers commentary. you absolutely cannot use your own intellect since you are not illumined by Christ.

[Anonymous No.21621862]

>>21605974
The Book o' Mormon will help you understand it better...

[Anonymous No.21622118]

>>21618222
At some point you have to ask if you're just being a brat expecting perfection to arrive at your front door and finding excuses to not find a local community to invest in. And if you've ever asked yourself how one can be of some value to x local community and help it out or strengthen it instead of asking and asking for those community rewards to be delivered with a quick snap