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>tfw too low IQ to understand The Iliad

>> No.21599211

>>21599207
read a prose version. or a children's version if you must.

>> No.21599215

>>21599207
gg

>> No.21599381

>>21599207
>>21599211
Samuel Butler's is generally considered the most readable. Also it's public domain so it's easy to get your hands on.

>> No.21599416

>>21599207
Also Fagles but he used to be mocked constantly on here for some reason.

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21599692

>>21599207
It's okay little bro. Things will get better. Keep up the effort.

>> No.21600255

there is no way

>> No.21600287

>>21599381
>Samuel Butler
>A number of critics, beginning with Malcolm Muggeridge in The Earnest Atheist: A Study of Samuel Butler (1936), concluded that Butler was a sublimated or repressed homosexual and that his lifelong status as an "incarnate bachelor" was comparable to that of his writer contemporaries Walter Pater, Henry James, and E. M. Forster, also assumed to be closeted homosexuals.
Academicucks retroactively gayified him, no thanks

>> No.21600293

>>21599381
>>21600287
>Butler developed a theory that the Odyssey came from the pen of a young Sicilian woman
>His other works include Shakespeare's Sonnets Reconsidered (1899), a theory that the sonnets, if rearranged, tell a story about a homosexual affair.
>Samuel Butler argued for the existence of a single, corporeal deity, declaring belief in an incorporeal deity to be essentially the same as atheism. He asserted that this "body" of God was, in fact, composed of the bodies of all living things on earth, a belief that may be classed as "panzoism". He later changed his views, and decided that God was composed not only of all living things, but of all non-living things as well.
So he was a a schizo tranny?

>> No.21600294

>>21600287
Achilles, Patroclus, Sappho, Socrates, Plato, Alexander, Hadrian, and many more have been retroactively homosexualized despite there being evidence to the contrary. Academics are just incredibly desperate for examples of ancient homosexual 'love' to validate modern homosexuality.

>> No.21600297

>inb4 thread turns into another "were the greeks gay" debate

>> No.21600325

>>21600294
That's right. It's contemporary politics.

>> No.21600407

>>21600294
Great video on the topic

https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E

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>>21599207
You can't understand it because the people who wrote it were literally unconscious.

>> No.21600469

maybe get a more modern translation, because even in Greek it isn't that hard to read per se if not for the rare words used through it, the themes are relatively straightforward especially considering it was compiled from stories that illiterate bards sang in meter

>> No.21600477

>>21600287
do you know anything about muggeridge mate

>> No.21600543

>>21599692
>gimme the grapes
>you can have them if you can reach em
>GIMME

>> No.21601177

>>21599207
to start out with, just try to remember the events and the names of the people. Focus less (at first) on trying to understand any symbolism or hidden meanings; that comes later.

>> No.21601256

>>21600407
>Achilles and Patroclus were totally gay bro
>oh yeah? where does Homer say that?
>uhh...well....actually....
everytime

>> No.21601301

Is there something to "get"? Or are you implying the language itself is hard to understand?

>> No.21601325

If you don't read the Wikipedia article on the Trojan War and read all the essays at the beginning of whatever edition of the book you have, you'll probably be a bit lost

The ancients who heard this poem were all assumed to already know the entire story, all the characters, and every reference already.

Going in without context is just unnecessarily punishing yourself.

>> No.21601880

>>21601325
the ancient greeks were all assumed to have read the wikipedia article

>> No.21602269

>>21601325
>read all the essays at the beginning
Newfag detected

>> No.21602306

>>21599207
Bruh the Iliad isn't even all that deep. The plot is basically:
>Magic gods play trick
>Paris Grug steal wife
>Menelaus Grug get mad that wife stolen
>Grug gathers friend Grugs to attack Grug to get back wife
>Greek Grugs fight Trojan Grugs
>Strong Achilles Grug gets mad when friend Grug dies, kills lots of Grugs and Hector Grug

>> No.21602317

>>21602306
For the love of god please stop posting on a literature board

>> No.21602331

>>21601880
retard

>> No.21602341

>>21599207
What? No, anon, it's an epic.

>> No.21602344

>>21602331
You got BTFO. You repeat the same crap everyone already knows but the other anon posted something dumb and entertaining while you got all angry for being a boring pseud LMAO

>> No.21602349

>>21602317
Admit it, I'm not wrong.

>> No.21602353

>>21602349
You're stupid, unfunny, and reddit. Of course you're wrong, but that's not the most offending part of your post.

>> No.21603914

>>21600287
Was his translation any good? If so, none of that matters

>> No.21603938

>>21603914
I read it and it was alright. It was understandable but I have nothing to compare it to as it's the only translation I've read.

>> No.21603956

>>21601325
A brief introduction to Greek Mythology is all that you need.

>> No.21603975

>>21603956
Are there any particular introductions you or anyone else would recommend?

>> No.21604010

>>21599207
Don't give up. Iliad is hard at first, but keep reading and you will pick up on it.