/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.21591294]

Sunken Castle Town Edition

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[Anonymous No.21591328]

>>21591294
Why has the quality of fantasy releases dropped so harshly? It seems like the entire genre has been locked into the young-adult section for a decade.

Why isn't sci-fi having this issue?

[Anonymous No.21591331]

>>21591328
Because publishing houses have all jumped on the poz train
Sci fi is having the issue, you just haven't noticed because there's so much less of it published.

[Anonymous No.21591337]

>>21591328
>Why isn't sci-fi having this issue?
Fantasy is about repressed sexual desires. Only adolescents are sufficiently repressed to need to structure their sexual world through fantasy.

Science-fiction is about the sociology of contemporary society so it is still quite healthy.

Compare to Spec-Fic's retarded child: alternate history, where grown adults wish that things had happened different politically, as a way to deal with their political impotence right now.

[Anonymous No.21591340]

>>21591337
>Compare to Spec-Fic's retarded child: alternate history, where grown adults wish that things had happened different politically, as a way to deal with their political impotence right now.
Finally, a fellow Slaughterhouse 5 hater.

[Anonymous No.21591346]

Bakker is KING

[Anonymous No.21591352]

A new thread! Back to a Stable Era. My king, awaken your dynasty and let it prosper!

[Anonymous No.21591356]

>>21591340
>Finally, a fellow Slaughterhouse 5 hater.
I read more underground alternate history about the reasons for failed procurement processes, or why obscure small economies indicate that revolution was impossible for particular reasons.

But yeah maybe, if you reckon sh5 is alt-history I'll give it ago. Novellists tend to be really really squishy soft, and I like my alternate history quite hard. Especially about historiography and causative structures. Someone mischaracterised Stalin's character in the context of a reasonable causation for a Soviet Party position on Poland in 1944 and it shat me to tears. They misjudged Stalin's desire for geo-political control as being motivated by expansionism rather than opportunistic. (An expansionist Stalin would have given PCI PCF instructions to conduct revolution, and would have supported the KKE to win). Look upon my pathetic political impotence.

[Anonymous No.21591357]

>>21591328
>Why has the quality of fantasy releases dropped so harshly?
Fetishistic obsession with character drama and world building as substitutes for actually interesting stories. It's largely the same reason why modern readers can't get into any genre classics, for example. Their focus is simply different.

[Anonymous No.21591367]

>>21591328
Books don't sell and publishers can only listen to voices from twitter

[Anonymous No.21591369]

What the fuck is going on? I haven't been this confused since BOTNS

[Anonymous No.21591370]

>>21591367
Physical, yes.

[Anonymous No.21591374]

This was Tollers' first runic system and it's a shame he never used it.

[Anonymous No.21591381]

>>21591369
just struggle through it so you can make it to God Emperor

[Anonymous No.21591383]

>>21591369
69 checked. just push through to get to God Emperor. all you care about is that Leto gets neat powers.

[Anonymous No.21591542]

>>21591294
Where can I acquire books by R. A. Lafferty? I’m currently reading a collection of his short stories and they are great. He reminds me of Gene Wolfe. But I just can’t find a reliable source to get physical copies of his works.

[Anonymous No.21591691]

>>21591367
Publishers are propaganda outlets and aren't expected to make money.

[Anonymous No.21591716]

Read The Wandering Inn, Read Mother of Learning, Read I Shall Seal the Heavens.

Also read The Prince of Nothing, Neuromancer, Cradle, A Song of Ice and Fire, Hyperion, Between Two Fires, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.21591721]

>>21591716
Fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.21591745]

[Anonymous No.21591805]

I liked Endymion

[Anonymous No.21591837]

>>21591328
>Why has the quality of fantasy releases dropped so harshly?
Dropped harshly? That happened 20 years ago, if not more. A truly great work of fantasy hasn't been published in a long time. And that's normal. Fantasy is a dying genre. Much like romanticism, Russian realism and medieval poetry, it isn't going to last forever and it's going to die soon. Of course, crap will still be published, but that's not particularly relevant.

[Anonymous No.21591851]

[Anonymous No.21591924]

ok sciifisisters what do I read next

>Use of Weapons by Banks
>Heretics of Dune by Herbert
>Three Body Problem by Cixin

[Anonymous No.21591950]

>>21591924
>modern garbage
>classic kino
>modern garbage
That's a tough one.

[Anonymous No.21591951]

>>21591924
three body problem so you can enjoy the currently airing Tencent show (episodes come out everyday Sunday to Wednesday if you aren't willing to pay for membership)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9yRf-Ghij3Y4PySsFmix0ePFvuhvtpog

[Anonymous No.21592002]

>>21591294
>Just discovered Congruent Mage series
>First book good-ish with a bit too much MC Gary Stuing
>Second book completelyscrews the pooch by trying to do too much with multiple POV's
God dammit i just want a solid fantasy series!

[Anonymous No.21592006]

>>21591924
>Use of Weapons by Banks
I... really didn't care about it.

>Heretics of Dune by Herbert
Rather great imho

>Three Body Problem by Cixin
I mean you kinda have to read it because of how omnipresent it is, but be prepared for it being kinda shit.

[Anonymous No.21592033]

I'm really enjoying Magic Steampunk Pirate Booty so far.

[Anonymous No.21592046]

>>21591328
Give webnovels a try , all the cool ideas are there.

[Anonymous No.21592102]

I've got an Audible credit burning a hole in my pocket, recommended me a nice long standalone to spend it on.

[Anonymous No.21592114]

>>21592102
Wandering Inn

[Anonymous No.21592239]

>>21592102
This has top-tier production value , listen to some soundclips on Youtube to see if it's up to your tastes.

[Anonymous No.21592264]

>>21592239
>read dungeon crawler carl
>mc was cucked by gf
>read primal hunter
>mc was cucked by gf

why litrpg authors like to make MC a cuck?

[Anonymous No.21592266]

I'm 600 pages into this and I still have no idea what the plot's supposed to be
I've never read a more murderhobo book than this, it's basically just generic greentext threads on /tg/

[Anonymous No.21592275]

Heretics of Dune it is, thanks. I haven't read God Emperor in years, can someone re-summarize the Golden Path and why Leto II decided to follow it, but Paul did not? My impression was that Paul realized there would be suffering either way: going down the Golden Path and being tyrannical, or not going down the Golden Path and letting humanity die off - and he just couldn't make the choice so decided to kill himself out in the desert? And so Leto II obviously went with the latter choice.

[Anonymous No.21592316]

>>21592266
I think someone in an old /sffg/ thread said there's a gang rape scene of the protagonist for fun at the end of the series, but apparently it's kind of brief and only mentioned in passing

[Anonymous No.21592333]

>>21592316
I thought the gang-rape was at the beginning, it was like 30-60 pages in when there was this huge ado/trial about some soldiers raping the protagonist and then beating themselves up to accuse her of assaulting a higher ranking officer

[Anonymous No.21592337]

so hold up now which Culture books ARE good, any of them? People think Consider Phlebas is a weak opening.. Player of Games is just space chess.. three folks here don't like Use of Weapons

[Anonymous No.21592355]

>>21592337
that is why you dont crowdsource your opinions.
I liked all of them and thought Use of Weapons was the best.
It doesnt matter which one you start with.

[Anonymous No.21592491]

>>21592337
I really really liked UoW.
>Use of Weapons > Player Of Games > Excession > Consider Phlebas
haven't read more, yet

[Anonymous No.21592512]

>>21592264
>Primal Hunter
He doesn't get cucked at all. He has a crush on a girl, she goes for somebody else and they barely talked at all anyway.

[Anonymous No.21592528]

>>21592114
>>21592239
Standalone, anons. As in not part of a 39 volume series.

[Anonymous No.21592533]

>>21592512
im talking about his girflriend fucking his best friend and everyone around knowing but not telling him, thats way before the tutorial

i remember william even goes after the girlfriend/friend to get to know more about him in part bc hes trying to overcome the trauma, but i stopped reading the webnovel bc i cant stand reading shit on pc and im just waiting for kindle release

[Anonymous No.21592556]

ok thanks culturebros

[Anonymous No.21592574]

>>21592528
Infinite Jest

[Anonymous No.21592620]

>>21592337
They all suck desu

[Anonymous No.21592646]

>>21591294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsstCR44Ibo
Based. Anyone know if the NESFA press sell good editions? I like the look of the Collected Short Works of Poul Anderson.

[Anonymous No.21592661]

>>21592528
so "nice and long" was just a penis joke?

[Anonymous No.21592732]

>>21586497
Genuinely good for children. Reading Goblet of Fire at age 10 really helped me develop a love for books.

[Anonymous No.21592739]

>>21592646
Not sure about the publisher you're talking about, buy ive been wanting to read his short stuff for a while now. Broken Sword and the King of Ys series were amazing.

[Anonymous No.21592785]

>>21591328
In the West at least, this is a cultural ice age.

[Anonymous No.21592813]

>>21592732
>Goblet of Fire
>"Harry Potter! Did you burn your name in the Sacred Ancestor Flame? Junior, you are courting death!", Supreme Elder Dumbledore said, his voice serene like a jade lake even as his killing intent filled the room.
>"Haha, a third-rate talent like you really thinks he can compete in the Three Sect Grand Tournament? Boy, get down on your knees and slap yourself fifty times so our sect can save some face! Five hundred contribution points are deducted from the Roaring Griffin Clan!" Dumbledore's wrathful essence poured out like a wave, cracking the stone floor beneath his feet and disrupting Harry's meridians. Harry was knocked backwards, spitting blood!

[Anonymous No.21592814]

>>21592661
Single volumes can still be long. Thinking around 20 hours. Just don't want to "waste" it on a 5 hour long potboiler.

[Anonymous No.21592831]

>>21592264
Part of the formula is that the new world is one you thrive in where the old one wasn't.

[Anonymous No.21592840]

>>21592574
Audiobook doesn't have the footnotes.

[Anonymous No.21592848]

>>21592102
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell

[Anonymous No.21592862]

>>21592848
Great novel.

[Anonymous No.21592910]

>>21592848
Oh that's a great choice, I've been meaning to check it out since watching the show.

[Anonymous No.21593128]

>>21592813
he said, calmly

[Anonymous No.21593143]

>>21592533
>overcome the trauma
What trauma?

[Anonymous No.21593175]

>>21593143
jaker (cucked mc) kills william (psychopath fag) at the end of the tutorial, completly destroys him, william gets ressurect by his primordial god master with severe PTSD, to the point of having nightmares and getting scared when he see archers or anyone with dark afinitude mage

he looks for his old psychologist to help take care of the problem, then he tries to infiltrate and talk to jake's family/friends/people that know him to learn more about him and little by little dispel the ''monster'' image he has of jake before finally talking to jake personally

[Anonymous No.21593213]

>>21593175
>jaker (cucked mc) kills william (psychopath fag) at the end of the tutorial, completly destroys him, william gets ressurect
I don't understand why authors do this

[Anonymous No.21593235]

>>21593213
by the signs I think he wants to do something like that with william:

teen psychopath edgy boy > creates feelings > tries to become a better person > becomes a hero

I remember jacob had said in some chapter that William's future was something big

[Anonymous No.21593350]

Best books with hot female vampires to romance
Non vampire creatures like Jahlee from book of the short sun count
Just read the gender swapped twilight and want more

[Anonymous No.21593421]

>>21592512
You aren't thinking of this with the appropriate mindset. If a guy has any feelings for a girl, even if never expressed any way, then that guy has laid a claim upon her. She's his. If someone else takes action though then he's been cuckolded and humiliated from her being stolen from him.

[Anonymous No.21593542]

>>21593421
>If a guy has any feelings for a girl, even if never expressed any way, then that guy has laid a claim upon her. She's his.
*sounds of sloshing wet pussies discordant with angry female argumentation*

[Anonymous No.21593627]

>>21593421
Better look smug while the woman you love (one sidedly) seduces other men, while you sit there and think how much better you are than them because you spent some time with her earlier. Apparently this is what sells books now.

[Anonymous No.21593693]

>>21593627
cue posting of the relevant meme page

[Anonymous No.21593819]

>>21591542
No idea anon, wish I could help. Lafferty is great and I can see why someone who likes Wolfe would like Lafferty.

[Anonymous No.21593892]

I'm reading Harry Potter for the first time after only having seen the films and honestly the world build is so good but at the same time it's so frustratingly terrible and shallow
Makes me angry man
Also I've realised I don't hate allegories in fantasy as much as I thought I did, so long as I can buy into it in the logic of the story

[Anonymous No.21593949]

>>21593892
Harry Potter's worldbuilding worked fine when it was just a silly thing intending to be wacky and goofy for kids, but then it tried to mature while still having the school where the stairs just sometimes trap you for hours because "lol why not".

[Anonymous No.21594084]

>>21593350
I'm not gay BUT she really cute books with this feel haha

[Anonymous No.21594121]

>>21591328
>Why has the quality of fantasy releases dropped so harshly?
Compared to what? We have garbage since ever, like GOT from '96 or WoT from '90

[Anonymous No.21594153]

>>21594084
Unless you're a girl why would thinking she's cute make you gay

[Anonymous No.21594172]

Can you guys recommend me fantasy books with strange and/or bizarre powers? The crazier the better

[Anonymous No.21594209]

>>21594084
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.21594220]

>>21593421
i like visual novels as much as anyone, but i'm glad those gross tropes haven't wormed their way into actual books

[Anonymous No.21594223]

>>21592264
Jokes on you my Mc was cucked before And after the apocalypse!

[Anonymous No.21594241]

>>21594121
Fantasy peaked from 1970 to 1990

[Anonymous No.21594266]

>>21592264
It's hard to find good fantasy books with romance that appeals to men

[Anonymous No.21594290]

>>21594266
Opinion on Princess of Mars?

[Anonymous No.21594346]

>>21594290
Book one and two are nice
Book 3 is when you realize it's the same thing every time and stop
If I were John Carter I would have gotten with the blonde psycho from book 2

[Anonymous No.21594381]

>>21594241
Everything but video games peaked between 1970 and 1990

[Anonymous No.21594426]

every generation has had reams and reams of bad scifi and fantasy clogging up shelves. it's a lot easier to find good books when you're 20-30 years removed and the quality stuff has risen naturally to the top (plus their series are finally completed, etc.)

there's really no reason not to read stuff on a 30 year lag. there's so much god damn things to read, you're never going to run out

[Anonymous No.21594479]

Hyperion or Revelation Space next? Finished the last novella for The Expanse and I need more like it desperately.

[Anonymous No.21594530]

>>21594479
Revelation Space, like all of Reynolds, is an absolute slog. Go for the first two Hyperion books anon

[Anonymous No.21594548]

>>21594479
Revelation Space is the most like The Expanse but Hyperion is the better book.

[Anonymous No.21594689]

Give me comfy books where good is good evil is evil the hero gets the girl and everyone lives happily ever after

[Anonymous No.21594846]

>>21594530
Isn't hyperion 3 books?
>>21594548
Is it true book 3 ends on a massive unresolved cliffhanger?

[Anonymous No.21594857]

What do we think of the Drizzt books?

[Anonymous No.21594897]

>>21594846
>Isn't hyperion 3 books?
It's 2 if you know what's good for you.
>Is it true book 3 ends on a massive unresolved cliffhanger?
No. I haven't read past the 4th. Maybe later ones do that. The first 3 are all on the same plot arc but could be read individually at no great loss. Reynolds is all about fucked up aliens and high diamond age technoporn. The plot and characters are just there to move things along.

[Anonymous No.21594964]

just finished Lord of the Mysteries Volume 1

really nice really good

[Anonymous No.21595019]

>>21594857
They're good for exactly this kind of shit
>>21594689

[Anonymous No.21595305]

Am I just spoiled by Jefferson Mays or is the audiobook version of Revelation Space and Hyperion especially shitty?

[Anonymous No.21595325]

>>21594426
>there's really no reason not to read stuff on a 30 year lag. there's so much god damn things to read, you're never going to run out
I would generally agree with this sentiment. But even 30 years isn't much of a pointer with fantasy as fantasy readers have shit taste even with a 30 year lag. It takes some experimenting.

[Anonymous No.21595340]

>>21594897
>Endymion is...le bad!
Small brain opinion

[Anonymous No.21595524]

I resumed reading Distress after a hiatus due to lack of interest. Of course the plot picked up just after the point I stopped.
But Greg Egan is Reddit personified. I just thought you guys should know that, because maybe you didn't, and it's really quite funny and impressive. He's the most stereotypical fedora-tipping atheist, oh my Science! author you could imagine.
That being said, the plot did get more interesting so I'm enjoying the read.

[Anonymous No.21595527]

>>21594689
The Sparhawk series by the Eddingses. There's one trilogy then another one, it starts with The Diamond Throne.

[Anonymous No.21595530]

bros, just re-reading second apocalypse, just an observation: when we know of moenghus' background, we learn that he was a captive of the sranc before coming to the scylvendi, with his close scrutiny why did he not reach the conclusion of absolute zero aspect of the sranc (if the dunyain are trying to become the state where their own souls are the darkness that comes before, sranc are absolute zero that are completely subservient to the demands of the darkness that comes before, ultimately the singularity of the no-god) that koringhus reached? why did he need the skinspies to realise that the consult or someone has loosened counterfeit creatures on earwa?

[Anonymous No.21595649]

>>21591851
Fucking CCP.

[Anonymous No.21595796]

>>21595649
Did CCP really ban it? Maybe the author just didn't have a good enough ending that could match the rest of the story (many such cases in world of literature) and to increase the hype he said it was banned instead?
Now he has years to come with good ending and people are hyped?

[Anonymous No.21595809]

>>21595796
No. Author of a xianxia McNovel by the name of Soul Land saw his trash novel wasn't doing well and went after several novels that were above his so he can get his novel higher up on the list. It just so happens that he has an uncle that is some official in the CCP party.

[Anonymous No.21595950]

>Carl's Naughty Little Piggie
fucking kek I forgot about the whole fake sex tape thing in the Maestro segment
GLURP GLURP

[Anonymous No.21596117]

>>21595530
My memory is fuzzy (I need to reread the series too) but wasn't there a passage on sranc anatomy and neuropuncture and how they essentially were created without a soul..? Sranc aren't living things, they're just organic weapons.

[Anonymous No.21596367]

>>21595530
>>21596117
how the fuck are sranc a threat
they're like 4 foot tall 100lb little gremlins

[Anonymous No.21596396]

>>21591924
>>21592006
Don't read 3 Body Problem. Read the Killing Star instead. It expresses similar themes, but it isn't gay retard shit.

[Anonymous No.21596420]

>>21596367
There are untold gorillions of them.
They know no fear, moral or ideological restraints, they're obedient (to a robotic degree if No-God is present).
They work like von Neumann machines, easy to make, self-reproduce once the cycle is launched, sustain and organize themselves when unused.

[Anonymous No.21596475]

Finished Good Omens

Maybe I shouldn't have watched the series first. Still , had a good chuckle every 10 pages or so. Nice ending too.

7/10 , Gaiman was not on good form and his immortal-being wankery dragged the whole thing down.

[Anonymous No.21596605]

>>21596420
the sranc are literal 4 foot tall 100lb cavemen who are dumber than cavemen. im suprised they even know how to use bows and arrows. they have no knowledge of siege equipment so what the fuck stops a group of people with five years or so worth of supplies just holing up in a castle and killing them

[Anonymous No.21596611]

I searched for books where characters are competent and intelligent but couldn't find any. So I tried out this genre called "rational fiction" and it made me lose all hope in literature. Apparently rational fiction means gary stu self insert garbage that is not rational at all. Like Project Hail Mary or Worm, which both have very high ratings.

>>21592046
Are there any webnovels you can recommend? Most webnovels I tried are self insert shit by people who can't write.

[Anonymous No.21596628]

>>21594689
anything by David Eddings: Belgariad/Malloreon, Elenium/Tamuli, etc
anything by Dennis L. McKiernan: Mithgar, Faery, etc (if you can tolerate his verbal tics which can be extremely aggravating)
the better Star Wars novels like the original Thrawn trilogy

[Anonymous No.21596687]

It's insane how Dune goes from an incredible first book to downright schizophrenia in the next one

[Anonymous No.21596705]

>>21596611
Practical Guide to Evil

Starts as a typical YA novel but give it a chance.

Alternatively you can try Pale Lights by the same author. Better writing after the lessons from PGtE but it's only halfway through the first volume.

People also suggest Mother of Learning for rational fiction but it's a slower burn than the rest.

[Anonymous No.21596709]

When I was a kid, an old man gave me a nice gold watch. This year I travelled to the past and met a kid, I liked him so much I gave him my watch. Later I found out the kid grew up to be the old man, the one who gave me the watch!
Now I'm just trying to figure out who made the watch.

[Anonymous No.21596715]

>>21596705
Mother of learning is shit. Main character is lame, supporting characters are also lame. It is all garbage.

>>21596611
If you are ok with reading chinese novels, read The Human Emperor.

[Anonymous No.21596733]

>>21594346
>Book 3 is when you realize it's the same thing every time and stop
Later ones get weird. Like the one where a guy gets his brain transplanted into a frankenstein.

[Anonymous No.21596777]

>>21596420
The central premise of the high middle ages is no number of peasants or 4' tall retarded cavemen are a threat to a handful of guys in full plate. As long as they remain standing there's not shit the masses can do.

[Anonymous No.21596795]

>>21596777
if you read Aspect-Emperor you know that for the majority of the Ordeal this premise held true as the horde had no choice but to recede before the advancing soldiers. But it only works to a point, when sranc start to outnumber their enemies 10000 to 1 full plate or fucking ironman suit it ceases to matter. Plus the Consult used bashrags as armybusters

[Anonymous No.21596825]

>>21595305
John Lee is fucking awful

[Anonymous No.21596859]

>>21591331
>Because publishing houses have all jumped on the poz train
As a Canadian white straight male I have no hopes of getting my book published anymore.

[Anonymous No.21596873]

>>21596859
It's okay Scott I still love you

[Anonymous No.21596878]

>>21596859
Just self-publish on Amazon

[Anonymous No.21596926]

>>21596859
might as well just get yourself euthanized, bro.

[Anonymous No.21596940]

>>21596859
You can easily get published because your book probably containts tons of cuckolding, white knighting, feminism and majority of characters are non white, the rest are women. I don't see why any would reject you.

[Anonymous No.21596974]

>>21594689
>>21596628
>anything by Dennis L. McKiernan: Mithgar, Faery, etc (if you can tolerate his verbal tics which can be extremely aggravating)
I don’t think I’ve ever seen him recommended here before but I really like his work. It’s just fun comfy high fantasy adventure. Not grimdark, not YA. Very classical. Each book is mostly standalone, but takes place in the same world, and there is one book that is an avengers-style crossover where multiple plot threads and characters from past books come together to save the world. I would recommend googling a reading list to read them in chronological order. As I recall he got started as an author by writing a sequel to LotR, and a publisher liked it and took it to the Tolkien estate who of course said no, so the publisher said “ok, go write your own LotR trilogy in your own original world and then we can publish your sequel to it” so Mithgar is very Tolkien-esque classic fantasy if that’s what you’re looking for

[Anonymous No.21597042]

>>21594266
Morgaine Saga by C.J Cherryh, mc is the squire/Sidekick of an older cold-hearted white haired swordwoman who has an alien sword, very slowburn romance, no cuckolding, just two broken people trying their best..

[Anonymous No.21597045]

>>21596715
I've read Chinese webnovels before. They can be interesting as long as they're not too embedded in folklore nonsense, like people meditating in a cave to become stronger.

[Anonymous No.21597053]

>>21597045
Release that Witch was cool , despite the bad writing.
Too bad for the rushed ending.

[Anonymous No.21597063]

>>21591328
Authors write nothing but court intrigue because they don't know how to write Action sequences anymore.

[Anonymous No.21597064]

>>21597042
not that anon but you just sold me on this book. sounds great

[Anonymous No.21597073]

>>21597063
Is that really true though? I haven’t read Branderson Sandwichson but I’m told his books are basically just marvel movies. I think the primary “problem” with contemporary sff lit is that publishers want to appeal to women.

[Anonymous No.21597077]

>>21597063
There is just something about older thick white women that gives me a stiffy.

[Anonymous No.21597084]

>>21597073
NTA

The problem is that in the 00s Sci Fi stopped being optimistic about the future (9/11 , forever wars , recessions , climate change).
Dystopian future is nice , of course , but if that's what's only on the table then fuck it , bring me fantasy.

[Anonymous No.21597093]

>>21596974
I really love Dennis McKiernan's ability to weave a story but I despise his loathsome attempts at aping archaic theatrical speech, and his conlangs are positively abysmal, worse than Karen Traviss' Mando'a in her Star Wars novels. He also has a fetish for Yoda-speak, constantly putting his verbs at the end of sentences, I swear if I see the sentence "Onward they rode." one more fucking time I will set fire to his house. It is a completely avoidable grammatical trap but he insists on smearing that shit over the page as much as possible, which is a damn shame because his books are as comfy as a Disney animated princess movie like Sleeping Beauty, or Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings.

[Anonymous No.21597106]

Any good books with weak but important protagonist like the hobbits in lotr? It's my favorite kind of story

[Anonymous No.21597111]

>>21597093
I like his writing style. Maybe it would get old for some people, especially if you’re binging all his books at once, but for me it just feels like complaining about “technobabble” in a sci-fi book. It’s comfy that he’s just unapologetically writing in a theatrical fantasy voice.

[Anonymous No.21597145]

>>21597073
Brando, Erikson, Esslemont, John Gwynne, Miles Cameron and that's it, everyone else can't write a good battle for shit

[Anonymous No.21597157]

>>21597145
Has Sanderson improved his action beyond the teleporting DBZ fight he wrote for Perrin in WoT? Because that was so bad it made me not check out any of his other work.

[Anonymous No.21597165]

>>21597157
Stormlight Archive is very very very DBZ. It's fun if that's what you're looking for but it's the definition of Shonen in novel format.

[Anonymous No.21597194]

>>21596605
isn't that what the dunyain did? and then they got shit on by mad nonmen magic who broke open their fortress

[Anonymous No.21597294]

>reading Dune for the first time
>love it
>get to the ending
>suddenly everything is rushed into like 40 pages
I know that everyone says that Messiah fixes this but how can it retroactively fix such a rushed jumble of events?

[Anonymous No.21597377]

>>21597165
>Stormlight Archive is very very very DBZ
Sounds based. Do they spend half the book training and the other half fighting?

[Anonymous No.21597504]

>>21596859
Oh quit whining. Truly good fiction gets published and appreciated no matter who you are.

[Anonymous No.21597564]

>>21592266
The plot is tall muscular hobo mommy beating the shit out of everyone for three books.

[Anonymous No.21597665]

>>21597564
Into the trash

[Anonymous No.21597700]

>>21597665
Cringe

[Anonymous No.21597730]

>>21597665
You have no taste

[Anonymous No.21597753]

>>21597700
>>21597730
Coomers

[Anonymous No.21597758]

>>21597564
>The plot is tall muscular hobo mommy beating the shit out of everyone for three books.
I'm 760 pages into the 1120 pages of the omnibus, and so far 90% of the book has Paksenarrion being raped, captured (like 5 separate times), tortured, bullied, duped, conned, scammed, mindbroken, and crippled, as well as having a childlike naivete so profound as to border on actual mental retardation, with a brief interlude to witness some random side-character have his cock cut off.
It is without a doubt the stupidest and most incompetent attempt at writing a strong female heroine in fiction that I have ever read, though mercifully, I have not read a particularly large amount of such. I think I'd sooner read an 800 page side-novel by David Eddings about Belgarion's nearly useless wife Ce'Nedra, but perhaps fortunately, Eddings is no longer alive to commit such a crime. Fortunately, Polgara the Sorceress has been written, so I have that to look forward to at least.

[Anonymous No.21597762]

>>21597564
>>21597758
>>21597753
oh by the way, there is absolutely NOTHING erotic about Paksenarrion, she is a completely non-sexual character - probably the first genuinely asexual character written in a novel, the very idea of sexual relations literally never enters her head and she can't really seem to comprehend just what happened when she was raped (twice), let alone considers the possibility of having children; indeed, she doesn't seem to correlate the act of childbirth with sexual intercourse

[Anonymous No.21597769]

>>21597762
If it's not sexual why is there rape?

[Anonymous No.21597789]

>>21597769
The rape itself is ancilliary, in fact it literally happens "off-screen", the actual descriptions are solely a matter of Paks being naked and beaten to a pulp and writhing in such agony she can't stand (which seems to be her natural state in the series, as she rarely spends much time not being a miserable lump of flesh). Honestly, pulp damsels from the 1930s were never as big of a weenie as Paksenarrion is.

[Anonymous No.21597792]

Any good harem book with older monster girls? (I really love cunning fox girls)

[Anonymous No.21597799]

>>21597792
It’s called using google, you stupid frogposter.

[Anonymous No.21597817]

>>21597799
Is google even useful for anything anymore?

[Anonymous No.21597822]

>>21597817
Maybe if you used it instead of waiting to be spoonfed, you would know, retard.

[Anonymous No.21597825]

>>21597799
>using google to find monstergirl literature
some people want to read books that aren't porn from furaffinity

[Anonymous No.21597831]

>>21597825
No, you don’t. Fuck off already.

[Anonymous No.21597838]

>>21597822
I wasn't that anon you fucking faggot. Google is a censored piece of shit he should use something else regardless.

[Anonymous No.21597844]

>>21597831
I'm not that guy who asked for harem shit (because harem lit is cringe) but I have asked for SFF lit featuring human/nonhuman romances before, and the only results I can ever get, from here or google, are overt pornography.
If I wanted alien or monster porn, I'd just go to paheal and search for asari dickgirls.

[Anonymous No.21597848]

>>21597844
Then go to paheal

[Anonymous No.21597857]

>>21597848
but I DON'T want porn, that's the point, I want to read romantic fantasy or scifi that extends beyond cocks and cunts and tits, I want actual literature with interspecies romance not some trashy romance novel for overaged undersexed women

[Anonymous No.21597859]

>>21597792
I always wonder if posts like these are made by bots. Because going on Amazon, there’s a shit ton of These books, yet somehow you can’t find them.

>>21597844
Are you also the guy that keep posting about romance here? Despite getting the same response every time?

[Anonymous No.21597863]

>>21597857
>I want actual literature with interspecies romance not some trashy romance novel for overaged undersexed women
Then stop reading human/nonhuman romances

[Anonymous No.21597867]

>>21597042
>Morgaine Saga by C.J Cherryh
Good recommendation. It's thankfully only 4 books long.
https://www.goodreads.com/series/40819-the-morgaine-cycle

[Anonymous No.21597872]

>>21597762
>there is absolutely NOTHING erotic about Paksenarrion, she is a completely non-sexual character - probably the first genuinely asexual character written in a novel
That's why she's based

[Anonymous No.21597874]

>>21597859
what do you mean by "keep posting"?
I've only posted that question twice over the course of a year or so, and gotten nothing for my trouble except Twilight, which is shit because the girl is the human and not the guy

[Anonymous No.21597880]

>>21597872
asexuals are the opposite of based, and they are also not mommies, which makes them double-unbased

[Anonymous No.21597888]

>>21597874
I keep seeing some retard posting about romance here, and it was more than twice. I thought it was you.

[Anonymous No.21597896]

>>21592337
I've read all of them except Hydrogen Sonata and State of the Art. My favorite ones are:
Inversions (not even overtly a Culture novel except for a throwaway event near the end)
Look to Windward (just all around good)
Use of Weapons (definitely his best sci-fi novel but somewhat obtuse and a slow start)
and Consider Phlebas
If you want some other good similar sci-fi I'd recommend his non-Culture book The Algebraist and Verner Ving's A Fire Upon the Deep. Also the Gap Cycle by Stephen Donaldson is awesome but not really similar in theme.
Speaking of Donaldson, holy shit his new trilogy is dank. People who write him off because of Thomas Covenant really miss out on the rest of his books, he never writes the same book twice.

[Anonymous No.21597900]

>>21597872
um... why does she have condoms on her thigh strap?

[Anonymous No.21597904]

>>21597888
romance is an exceptionally broad topic, you can hardly expect it to be monopolized by a single avatarfag

[Anonymous No.21597908]

>>21597904
Except no one here cares about romance other than that idiot.

[Anonymous No.21597926]

>>21597859
>I always wonder if posts like these are made by bots
Either that, or just idiots who are incapable of using basic search engines.

[Anonymous No.21597930]

Will I like Michael Moorcock if I love classic pulp like Howard, Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith? The only of his contemporaries I've read is Gene Wolfe

[Anonymous No.21597967]

>>21597377
Read Cradle if that's what you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.21597969]

>>21597930
Elric is sort of meant to be a deliberate send-up of Conan and similar stuff, because it's about a weak, barely-alive dickbag with no honour who has to rely on external power to even function.

[Anonymous No.21597982]

>>21597969
Damn he's just like me

[Anonymous No.21597991]

>>21597967
No

[Anonymous No.21597997]

>>21597930
Yes, Moorcock is a pulp writer

[Anonymous No.21598019]

>>21597969
So basically like Conan?

[Anonymous No.21598023]

>>21597758
Polgara, my beloved
>prequel about her teenage years
*dies of cringe*

[Anonymous No.21598034]

>>21598019
I mean, no, Conan is pretty clearly a singularly powerful guy. He does trickery and shit of course, but Elric can barely even walk without the evil sword's power. It's clearly meant to be a sort of mirror to Conan's all-powerful protagonist.

[Anonymous No.21598036]

>>21597857
>I want to read romantic fantasy or scifi that extends beyond cocks and cunts and tits,
You do know what's basically what romantic fantasy is, right?

[Anonymous No.21598040]

>>21598034
Basically like Conan

[Anonymous No.21598076]

>>21597926
It’s people who don’t want to waste a few minutes to search for books, so they would rather waste hours asking here. It’s just as dumb and confusing, but that’s how they operate.

[Anonymous No.21598081]

>>21598040
yes, except elric likes to cry a lot and sometimes acts like a simp.

[Anonymous No.21598091]

>read lord of the rings
>realise it's way better than the films
>read ASOIAF
>realise it's way better than the TV series
>read harry potter
>realise it's way better than the films
I'm thinking about watching the House of the Dragon soon, do you think they did a good job with the source material?

[Anonymous No.21598108]

>>21598091
Try watching it and see for yourself, or ask /tv/.

[Anonymous No.21598122]

>>21598108
Yeah I have before but nobody had read fire and blood
I'll try again

[Anonymous No.21598148]

>>21598040
Emo Conan.

[Anonymous No.21598160]

>>21598091
>>read ASOIAF
>>realise it's way better than the TV series
At least the TV show has an ending.

[Anonymous No.21598163]

>>21598160
Don’t know how that changes things. The books are better.

[Anonymous No.21598180]

>>21598163
>e-endings aren't i-important...
the absolute state

[Anonymous No.21598190]

>>21598180
A tv show’s ending isn’t important to a book, I know, how shocking.

[Anonymous No.21598201]

Anybody read the first cyberpunk book / violent, nihilistic, black-comedic , praised by Philip K Dick masterpiece Dr. Adder?

[Anonymous No.21598205]

>>21598160
I haven't seen the TV show ending, I stopped watching at the start of season 4

[Anonymous No.21598229]

>>21597896
thanks. I started Use of Weapons yesterday and I am really enjoying it - I'm totally fine with the back and forth of each chapter. Something about the main character Zakalwe keeps me reading. I've owned Fire Upon the Deep for Years but it just seemed like TOO much

[Anonymous No.21598237]

>>21598180
You've picked an odd hill to die on, anon. I know you want to slam GRRM, and rightfully so, he sucks and will never finish his books before croaking

but you're doing it by defending one of the most infamous failures of all time. I think even TV-only fans would have preferred no ending to the one they got

[Anonymous No.21598268]

>>21598180
How you actually defending the tv ending? Pick another hill to die in, idiot.

[Anonymous No.21598290]

>>21598091
>House of the Dragon
I finally finished season one of HOTD last night. It sucked...

[Anonymous No.21598308]

>>21598091
This sounds like something you would ask /tv/. Since there's daily threads about it.

[Anonymous No.21598320]

>>21592337
I love all of them but Excession is my favourite by far. It's the most focused one and it doesn't have much of the slight preachiness he could fall into, just good fun times.

[Anonymous No.21598353]

>>21597867
Four books to long for /sffg/

[Anonymous No.21598355]

>>21598201
>the first cyberpunk book
>published 1984

Nope. City Come a-Walkin' (1980) is the earliest I know of, and there may be earlier depending on how you understand the genre.

[Anonymous No.21598368]

>>21598201
>>21598355
A quick google search shows that Bruce Bethke's Cyberpunk short story is the first instance of cyberpunk.

[Anonymous No.21598398]

/lit/,
https://strawpoll.com/polls/05ZdW1x1Eg6

[Anonymous No.21598402]

>>21598398
Go back to /v/ you cancerous fuck.

[Anonymous No.21598413]

>>21598398
Snek gang

[Anonymous No.21598425]

>>21598398
How is this even /lit/? It's about a game.

[Anonymous No.21598446]

>>21598425
It's about a game adaptation of a fantasy series hence tangential to this general.

[Anonymous No.21598449]

>>21598446
>It's about a game adaptation
And I stopped reading. Talk about books, nor video games, idiot.

[Anonymous No.21598452]

>>21598398
>>21598446
Can’t you just go to /v/ for this? Why even force this shit here.

[Anonymous No.21598483]

I'm writing a military sf/horror novel with a setting that's like a laughably grimdark mix of various 20th century occupations/insurgencies/ethnic conflicts, what would you guys recommend for inspiration? Most of the military sf I see recommended is about conventional armed forces, is there anything about the murkier stuff?

[Anonymous No.21598492]

>>21598483
Ask the writing general >>21593992

[Anonymous No.21598495]

>>21598492
But they're all pinecone wannabe shitters, I'm asking this thread because you might actually know

[Anonymous No.21598499]

>>21598495
>I'm asking this thread because you might actually know
No we don’t. Either go to the writing general or some other website.

[Anonymous No.21598500]

>>21598495
>I'm asking this thread because you might actually know
You new to /sffg/?

[Anonymous No.21598502]

>>21598495
>>>/lit/wg/

[Anonymous No.21598509]

>>21598499
>>21598502
sorry lads what I meant to say was 'hey aren't the Dune sequels LE WEIRD? Isn't GRR Martin like, OLD?' apologies for the confusion

[Anonymous No.21598517]

>>21598509
you forgot about, any books like Berserk/dark souls? and lest we forget the classic: just started Wheel of Time, When does it get good?

[Anonymous No.21598530]

>>21598509
>apologies for the confusion
No problem. Just use the writing general next time.

[Anonymous No.21598532]

>>21598368
This is a good example of why a quick google search isn't very helpful if you don't actually make sure the answer it spits out is correct. Bruce Bethke wrote that story sometime in 1980, only published it in 1983. City Come a-Walkin' has a publication date listed as January 1, 1980, and so necessarily was written even earlier. So, despite Bethke coining the name of the genre later on, his wasn't the first instance of cyberpunk. William Gibson identifies City Come a-Walkin' as the first cyberpunk work, I've not come across a reliable source putting the genesis any earlier.

[Anonymous No.21598533]

>>21598509
We get plenty of the same variant of request post too but they don't preface their "hurpen durpen I've never read a sff book before what should I read???" posts with writefaggotry.

[Anonymous No.21598549]

>>21598532
Actually July 1980, not January, not that it changes anything.

[Anonymous No.21598595]

>>21598533
It’s bots.

[Anonymous No.21598602]

has there ever been a series that fell so hard as Zones of Thought? A Fire Upon the Deep was fantastic, And Emptiness was good but holy shit Children was fucking garbage.

[Anonymous No.21598636]

>>21598602
>has there ever been a series that fell so hard as Zones of Thought?
Yes

[Anonymous No.21598647]

>>21598602
Gor and Anita Blake off the top of my head. It's not unusual for professional writers to start phoning it in after a couple of books.

[Anonymous No.21598670]

>>21598602
Dresden files, granted, they were shit since the beginning, but they really went downhill.

[Anonymous No.21598681]

Why is half the dune audiobook voice acted and the other isn't? Kinda fucking ruins it.

[Anonymous No.21598682]

>>21598670
I don't think they went down in quality so much as they got more and more obviously gay

[Anonymous No.21598684]

>>21598682
No, they went down in quality. And they were always gay from the start.

[Anonymous No.21598692]

>>21597377
The big climactic fights are very dbz-esque and one of the characters literally goes Ultra Instinct at one point.

[Anonymous No.21598708]

>>21598692
Sounds great.

[Anonymous No.21598746]

>>21598708
It really is.

[Anonymous No.21598776]

>>21598692
Kaladin is a real one.

[Anonymous No.21598809]

>>21598692
Sounds pretty neat, why do people hate it?

[Anonymous No.21598813]

>>21598809
>why do people hate it?
It doesn't pretend to be something it's not, so many pseuds hate it.

[Anonymous No.21598820]

>>21598809
By the time I got through the two prologues I was already tired of it.

[Anonymous No.21598822]

>>21598809
As a fan of the series, I can understand people saying each novel can feel bloated at times and has a tendency to drag its feet pacing wise. I'd say it makes up for it with creative and detailed world building if you're into that sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.21598830]

>>21598822
>I'd say it makes up for it with creative and detailed world building if you're into that sort of thing.
Isn’t that the reason why people read fantasy in the first place.

[Anonymous No.21598839]

>>21598830
Some midwits who can't get into philosophy try using fantasy as a proxy. So there's that. But yeah, Stormlight Archive, or anything Brandon Sanderson writes is your standard fantasy.

[Anonymous No.21598841]

>>21598830
You're not wrong but I've seen and had conversations with people who think detailed worldbuilding bogs a story down and they couldn't give less of a shit about it.

[Anonymous No.21598848]

>Achamian smiled in turn. "And you are?"
gottem

[Anonymous No.21598850]

>>21598841
Sounds like those people can’t enjoy a good comfy fantasy.

[Anonymous No.21598851]

>>21598848
>"I got them moves like jagger." And then I show him exactly what I mean.

KINO

[Anonymous No.21598858]

>>21598509
look at how you're acting at the slightest pushback. we aren't even critiquing your work and you're melting down

you're not ready to write a novel, anon, and it has nothing to do with your inspiration

[Anonymous No.21598874]

>>21598858
Anon, he just wanted attention.

[Anonymous No.21598893]

>>21598495
Somebody copied and pasted your and people gave them two solid recommendations, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.21598902]

>>21598681
Why are you listening to audiobooks in the first place?

[Anonymous No.21598905]

>>21598902
BASED

[Anonymous No.21598909]

>>21598905
How is my question based?

[Anonymous No.21598911]

>>21598909
Based on facts and logic.

[Anonymous No.21598912]

>>21598911
Are you stupid or something?

[Anonymous No.21598917]

>>21598902
I like them for when I'm at the gym or at work, also it's nothing is more comfy then listening to a good space opera while playing rimworld or factorio. I don't only use audiobooks if that's what you think though.

[Anonymous No.21598921]

>>21598917
Ah, then don’t complain about audiobooks if you use them.

[Anonymous No.21598922]

I like to listen to an audiobook at 1x speed, another at 1.5x, and another at 2x. They're on different frequencies so I don't get them confused.

[Anonymous No.21598933]

>>21598922
Any reason why you're telling such a lie, other than attention?

[Anonymous No.21598942]

Would you read a story with this prologue? Not posting in /wg/ because they're arguing about basic writing conventions again.

https://pastebin.com/ku0FUXGm

[Anonymous No.21598941]

>>21598874
>>21598933
>being this thirsty for attention

[Anonymous No.21598946]

>>21598942
>>>/lit/wg/

[Anonymous No.21598947]

>>21598942
Not reading your shit. Take that shit to /wg/.

[Anonymous No.21598950]

>>21598947
>>21598946
Fine.
God I hate /wg/

[Anonymous No.21598960]

>>21598942
I didn't think this could get any worse while reading it, but your ending was a surprise multipler of terribleness. I had thought I had seen some truly horrendous messes, but you've outdone yourself. I give this negative 6 out of 10.

[Anonymous No.21598961]

>>21598950
Just use some website that help aspiring writers if you’re that desperate.

[Anonymous No.21598962]

>>21598960
Thank you! Exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for. That means this'll do great on royalroad.

[Anonymous No.21598967]

>>21598961
I'd rather gargle sawdust.

[Anonymous No.21598972]

>>21598967
Then don’t bitch when people here don’t care about your shit.

[Anonymous No.21598974]

>>21598972
I'm not. This exchange is just preferable to dealing with /wg/'s shit.

[Anonymous No.21598975]

>>21591294
>Poul Anderson published Broken Sword and Brainwave (which he considered one of his best) at 28
How? This man was on another level.

[Anonymous No.21598977]

>>21598975
he cute

[Anonymous No.21598990]

It's dead man's switch not dead man switch

[Anonymous No.21598997]

>>21598975
Pynchon wrote V. at 25. some niggas are just blessed

[Anonymous No.21598999]

>>21598942
>https://pastebin.com/ku0FUXGm
1/10 not enough milfs

[Anonymous No.21599003]

>>21598975
>How?
By writing.

[Anonymous No.21599004]

>>21598990
fixed. I probably used the wrong version because the correct one doesn't read as smoothly. Could just invent a fake in-setting term, maybe.

>>21598999
that art is fucking rancid but the subject of my pastebin is actually 43

[Anonymous No.21599026]

>>21598997
More likely they have something to write.

[Anonymous No.21599046]

>>21598975
How is that shocking? People managed to publish books younger that 28.

[Anonymous No.21599054]

>>21598922
Seems counterproductive

[Anonymous No.21599067]

>>21598813
A fantasy series that just wants to be a fantasy series is bad now?

[Anonymous No.21599073]

>>21598692
Sounds like litkino to me

[Anonymous No.21599085]

>>21599073
It is Kino.

[Anonymous No.21599092]

>>21599085
I really like the part where Kaladin was enslaved and fucked up some commander's plan.

[Anonymous No.21599098]

>>21598681
> voice acted and the other isn't?
Shit like this is why I’m so nervous in buying audiobooks. It’s like playing Russian roulette with how good the voice acting is.

[Anonymous No.21599133]

>>21599098
I’m pretty sure you can listen to them on YouTube? I’ve heard a few fro there.

[Anonymous No.21599148]

>>21598975
Mid-late 20s is a pretty normal start for career writers.

[Anonymous No.21599179]

>>21599148
28 years is later twenties.

[Anonymous No.21599187]

>>21599179
I remember being in my late mid 20s at 30

[Anonymous No.21599201]

>>21597844
For alien romance, read CJ Cherryh. "Pride of Chanur" series and "Foreigner" series. They're also great books in general.

[Anonymous No.21599204]

>>21599187
Okay?

[Anonymous No.21599209]

>>21599073
Honestly, Stormlight Archive is a good series, just ignore /sffg/ and read it.

[Anonymous No.21599212]

>>21598091
The "source material" for House of the dragon are a couple pages of a lore book. It's a decent watch.

[Anonymous No.21599220]

>>21599209
I unironically read xianxia shit, it can't be worse than that.

[Anonymous No.21599242]

>>21599220
Well, xianxia is dogshit to begin with, so everything you read afterwards is just going to get better.

[Anonymous No.21599279]

>>21599212
How is the lore book?

[Anonymous No.21599280]

>>21599242
No way, I can enjoy xianxia but I can never stomach w*stern cuck/diversity shit.

[Anonymous No.21599283]

>>21599280
>Buzzwords with no inherent meaning
never mind, you seem the type of person to read garbage. So go ahead and read your terrible chinese stories.

[Anonymous No.21599287]

>Xianxia is shit because it just is. I don't need any rationale beyond that.
>Oh you have specific things you don't like in a western story? Well that's not an acceptable rationale to dislike it.

[Anonymous No.21599290]

>>21599283
I'm just speaking from experience, Xianxia at worst is very predictable whereas w*stern books will just insert their cuckoldry fantasies out of nowhere.

[Anonymous No.21599292]

>>21599290
>w*stern books will just insert their cuckoldry fantasies out of nowhere.
I’ve read Tolkein and this never happens, so again, I don’t know you keep on insisting on this.

[Anonymous No.21599293]

>>21599290
You need to get off the internet.

[Anonymous No.21599296]

>>21599290
Did you even read fantasy books, or are you unironically going off what /sffg/ says? Because the worst thing you can say about Conan is just mindless violence, but its pulp, so that's to be expected. Other classic fantasy stories are the same, no cuck whatever you keep trying to say.

[Anonymous No.21599297]

>>21599296
I read Primal Hunter, Defiance of the Fall and World Seed and got burned three times. No more.

[Anonymous No.21599302]

>>21599297
>I read Primal Hunter, Defiance of the Fall and World Seed
That's basically xianxia.

[Anonymous No.21599303]

>>21599297
For me it was Shadow Campaigns going from a a cool flintlock fantasy war story to lesbian drama in book 2, Arcane Ascension pulling a surprise gayMC, and cuckshit in several books in a row.

[Anonymous No.21599304]

>>21599302
It's western.

[Anonymous No.21599308]

>>21599297
>Read Self-publish trash
>Be surprised it’s trash
This is retarded. It’s like if I read Chinese webnovels and say all Chinese literature is shit because of it while not reading the romance of the three kingdoms, Journey to the west, or water margin.

[Anonymous No.21599310]

>>21599308
>reading approved trash instead
But that's even worse, there is not a single decent book that's not a few decades old.

[Anonymous No.21599311]

>>21599304
Keep playing stupid.

[Anonymous No.21599313]

>>21599310
>three kingdoms, Journey to the west, or water margin is trash
And like that, you outed yourself as a retard. Nothing more need to be said.

[Anonymous No.21599318]

>>21599311
>book by western author isn't western
>>21599313
That's not what I said
see >there is not a single decent book that's not a few decades old

[Anonymous No.21599323]

>>21599318
>That's not what I said
>reading approved trash instead
And this is my last post to you. It’s obvious you’re just a retard at this point, no point in trying to discuss thing with you.

[Anonymous No.21599331]

>>21599323
Between
>there is not a single decent book that's not a few decades old
and continuing the conversation where we were talking about w*stern shit I can only conclude that you're autistic or a retarded baiter.

[Anonymous No.21599353]

>>21599148
>>21599046
It was more that he wrote his best books only 2-3 years into first being published that I was mentioning.

[Anonymous No.21599465]

I'm only on chapter 4 of Revelation Space but these huge time jumps are starting to fuck with me, I know this series employes time dilation bit maybe I'm too retarded to acclimate to it yet lol

[Anonymous No.21599482]

>>21599283
Do you like reading cuck and diversity shit?

[Anonymous No.21599491]

>>21599296
Conan, Tolkien.. who else?
there are very few unpozzed western authors, there is only so many times onecan reread the few select classics. Almost all new western fantasy is pozzed.

[Anonymous No.21599492]

>>21599279
I have a physical copy. It's pretty tall and it's a good read if you're interested in the lore. There's Westeros history and also descriptions and illustrations of the other kingdoms. Of course since it covers the entire history of the Targaryen family, it spoils things that still need to happen in House of Dragon

[Anonymous No.21599501]

https://youtu.be/ivdXZ2hH254
Yassssss

[Anonymous No.21599516]

>>21599501
she should start with a diet

[Anonymous No.21599527]

>>21592813
kek

[Anonymous No.21599539]

>>21592813
I wanna read this

[Anonymous No.21599609]

>>21592813
...I would read this.
pic tangentially related

[Anonymous No.21599632]

Has anyone read Shadiversity’s novel. Shadow of the Conqueror. I would give it a solid 7/10 personally.

Also there was an anon a couple threads ago who mentioned a book that was a borderline ripoff of the cradle series but was still somewhat good on its own. I forgot the name, if your here. Please remind me.

[Anonymous No.21599638]

>>21599632
>I forgot the name, if your here. Please remind me.
Have you tried using warosu that's linked in the OP?

[Anonymous No.21599655]

>>21599632
chadiversity

[Anonymous No.21599656]

>>21599632
Judging by the cover I wouldn't even try it.

[Anonymous No.21599658]

>>21599656
it's about a dirty old man who gets a second chance as an isekai protag

[Anonymous No.21599660]

>>21599632
Massive autism and filled with literal mormon preaching

[Anonymous No.21599706]

>start reading a book
>put it on hold
>pick it up again
>can't remember much
>have to read it all over again

[Anonymous No.21599712]

>Start reading a book
>Scroll on my phone
>Comfy times ahead

[Anonymous No.21599715]

>>21599609
What's pic related from?

[Anonymous No.21599733]

>>21591294
PAGE 7
PAGE 7
PAGE 7

[Anonymous No.21599744]

>>21599715
Literally any decent xianxia. Off the top of my head, Beware of Chicken comes to mind as one that has a good body cultivation waifu.

my own fic's main character also fits the archetype but it's a heavily westernized xianxia without most of the expected tropes so it might not be what you're looking for

it's Retribution Engine

[Anonymous No.21599747]

new thread WHEN?

[Anonymous No.21599753]

>>21599733
>>21599747
Page ten, you already know this. Stop being an annoying little bitch already.

[Anonymous No.21599756]

>>21599744
I doubt you wrote Retribution Engine

[Anonymous No.21599764]

>>21599756
...okay? Go read it then, makes no difference for me if I didn't write it.

[Anonymous No.21599773]

>>21599638
Thread’s 404’d

[Anonymous No.21599779]

>>21599773
Anon, the entire purpose of warosu is to look back at threads, that are from weeks and months, or even years ago. Why don't you use it instead of making up such blatant lies.

[Anonymous No.21599792]

>>21599744
sounds based it's not cuckshit is it

[Anonymous No.21599799]

>>21599792
It's got a single main romance running from the very first arc and it's lesbians
It also has an entire side arc dedicated just to killing glowies

[Anonymous No.21599883]

New thread
>>21599850

[Anonymous No.21599906]

>>21591294
Seveneves is so poorly written. Should I try reading any other Stephenson's book ever again?

[Anonymous No.21599997]

>>21599799
>lesbians
dropped

[Anonymous No.21600065]

>>21598681
There are several audio versions of Dune

[Anonymous No.21600078]

>>21592337
Excession > Use of Weapons > Inversions > Surface Detail > Consider Phlebas > Matter > Hydrogen Sonata > Look to Windward > Player of Games
stop putting so much weight into what other people think, especially anons on a underwater yodeling forum
>>21598320
my melanin-enriched sibling