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>call centers are... LE BAD
>hangs self

Haha, epic

>> No.21585878

>>21585847
Call centers really are that bad and soul sucking that working at one will make you want to rope yourself or develop a drug addiction.

t. worked at a call center

>> No.21585900
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>>21585878
The worst call centers are absolute meme-tier corporate shitholes. I've literally been given shit for singlehandedly saving a dying contract for a month over its date, made the company 70k they wouldn't have had otherwise, all on my own time. Imagine having to change an emergency contact for state-wide 911 calls on a Saturday, only to be told you have to send an email to a team in a different country which speaks a different language and ask them to do it, then get an automated response that that department will be back open on Monday. Then you figure on your own how to do it in the programming, and then call the client to give them your personal number so they can call you to make changes instead of the company, because they are too retarded to understand they'll lose the contract otherwise. This goes on for a month. Then we lose the contract. Then two months later you get called by HR (which is also in another country) to explain yourself over it to someone you have never seen and never spoken to before.

>> No.21585916

>>21585847
Mark Fisher was a retard but call centres are the fucking worst

>> No.21585924
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>>21585847
I made a video discussing Capitalist Realism and critiquing it

https://youtu.be/cNyUx1CBv6Y

That was actually one of my critiques. According to Fisher:
>Watching Wall-e with your kids is le bad
>Telling people "work smarter not harder" is le bad
>Being an accountant that has to keep up with the latest tax laws is le bad
>Writing a performance review is le bad
>Slouching at your desk is le bad
>Not slouching at your desk is also le bad
It's almost as if Marxist critical theory involves just sitting on your ass and complaining. Or almost as if he had an overly negative view of the world

>> No.21586318

>>21585924

You take all the minutia of political marxist critique and reduce it to laziness like all Capitalist apologist. When in fact the Marxist critique is not against work per se, but against the arbitary notion of labor time that Capitalists use as enslavement, giving fake "free time" to consume. All Socialist movements want a freedom from workers exploitation and less work hours with livable wages. The very thing that Capitalism in its permanent crisis seems to wave off as "impractica" while those very same international corporations receive free loans from the goverment.

Fishers claim is made more strongly considering what the free time alloted actually is, just empty space of consumerism with no real imagination in it. Just people eating away their own being in a non-self actualizing way by watching trash or playing sports.

>> No.21586326

>>21585847
i miss this nigga like you wouldn't believe thougheveralbeit

>> No.21586328

Stop liking what I don't like: The philosophy

>> No.21586331

>>21585900
How much of that 70k did you see retard?
Shit like this is why everyone with half a brain is dropping out.

>> No.21586332

>>21585916
>worst
So, according to you, the rape and mutilation of young children is less adverse than someone ringing your telephone for a few seconds. What's wrong with you?

>> No.21586695

>>21586318
fuck… guess i’d kill myself to with that perspective. He’s a coward to leave a kid behind. But damn when you put it that way, I guess many of us are far more resigned to the fact that we are just wage slaves. Even working in an industry or environment you love, it eventually just becomes work. Routine. But slavery is as old as history.

>> No.21586703

>>21585847
I've worked for possibly one of the best/comfiest call center positions imaginable and it still made me want to kill myself.

>> No.21586731

>>21586318
>watching some guy’s youtube channel get decimated by a single comment on 4chan.
Nice.

>> No.21586768

>>21586328
>I like call centers

>> No.21586817

>>21586318
>All Socialist movements want a freedom from workers exploitation and less work hours with livable wages
Just use magic durr. Problem solved

>> No.21586902

>>21585924
Why do you waste your time like this? I mean, what is the reason in willfully missunderstanding an author to "refute" him?

>> No.21586905

>>21586318
>You take all the minutia of political marxist critique and reduce it to laziness like all Capitalist apologist. When in fact the Marxist critique is not against work per se, but against the arbitary notion of labor time that Capitalists use as enslavement, giving fake "free time" to consume.
Haven't watched the whole vid yet, but he hasn't spent that much time on Marxists being workshy. For me so far, he's more concerned with the whole "everything that's bad in this world comes from Capitalism" shtick (which in this instance he attributes to a guy's pessimistic/depressive temperament) and some examples of such theorising in the book that he takes to be slapdash and poorly argued (like that "Bipolar" analogy).

>> No.21586979

>>21585847
>>call centers are... LE BAD
well yeah

>> No.21587027

>>21586318
Not a Marxist anymore, but that's also where the common work–labour distinction comes from. When communists define communism as "free time and nothing else.", they do not mean the abolishment of labour, but rather—work.

>> No.21587043

>>21585847
If you think call centres are bad. Try working in telemarketing. You will get people screaming at you down the phone swearing at you. My boss threw a chair across the room when we did not get enough sales.

It is the worst job I ever had. Fuck telemarketing.

>> No.21588027

they call it employment for a reason; etymology meaning "to be conned" em+ploy, or in christian countries they refer to it as the name of a man who was abused for no reason by their god.

you should all feel stupid that your ancestors sold their farmland for a penny and moved to the city where they had to come up with coins suddenly to pay for rent and food.

>> No.21588059

>>21586332
What if the child consents tho

>> No.21588074

>>21585847
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etan_Ilfeld

Etan Ilfeld is a London-based entrepreneur and the founder of Tenderbooks, Tenderpixel gallery, Watkins Mind Body Spirit Magazine, Watkins Wisdom Academy, PlayStrategy.org, co-founder of Repeater Books, and the owner and managing director of Watkins Books, Watkins Media, and the Mind Sports Olympiad. Ilfeld is the inventor of Diving chess[1] and the author of Beyond Contemporary Art,[2][3] [4] co-author of Duchamp versus Einstein and the creator of the Synchronicity Oracle.

virgin mark fisher chad mark fisher's boss etan ilfeld. chad xenogothic exploiting the fisher brand and pissing on his grave in order to get an harem of low iq goth tranny sex workers. the sheer eil of weaponizing anti capitalist sentiment and making it serve capitalism, no wonder fisher offed himself.

>> No.21588079

>>21586332
i mean if there is one thing leftists are vocally for its the rape and mutilation of young children, as long as it is carried out by politically correct lgbtsjwtfnpc operatives

>> No.21588167

>>21585878
>>21585900
Call-centres made slavs have an active middle-class.

>> No.21588541

>>21585847
Mark Fisher is the most overrated garbage academic in this shit generation

>> No.21588597

>>21588541
What a good argument.

>> No.21588619

>>21588597
cope harder fisher fanboy.

The retard acked himself

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>>21586703
All my life is literally:
>Study
>Want to commit suicide
> Get a great, well-paying job
>Want to commit suicide
>Being a Neet
>Want to commit suicide

>> No.21588740

>>21586318
Every single one of your ancestors worked until the day they died. Everybody on earth throughout the history of earth has had to work. Until recently, retirement was inconceivable. Thanks to capitalism, people have had to work less and less and in better working conditions like offices with a/c as opposed to toiling digging potatoes under the sun. You are complaining that the sky is blue.

Also, i want to mention that I live very comfortably. I work from home, own a house and exercise regularly, read, have leisure time, do everything I want to do. I have a healthy family and enjoy every second I spend with my son. It's truly sad that so many people have everything, and yet never realize it.

>> No.21588877

>>21588740
It sounds like you're on medication, to be honest, to have decided that anarchism (nee: currency speculation) has had anything to do with 'better' working conditions; the constant drive for a reserve workforce in the unemployed and the massive devaluation of currency over the last seventy years debunks this notion conclusively.

>working hard
This isn't really true either, technically speaking. Before busywork came around when we had to find some reason to pay people to keep them off the streets, a typical Manor or Villa Economy could be run very effectively without the need for busywork, if you've ever grown crops you know that it's a simple matter of growing in season; you plant one day, you have months to do what you like, then you harvest when the crop is ready.

Farming is actually one of the easiest things in the world, it wasn't until Kings destroyed the economy by forcing peasants and lords to sell their crops for coins to take tax money from them instead of taking the tax in goods that these problems of "i need a job" began to occur. Aahhh anyway "capitalism" is currency speculation, coin clipping, etc. profits being derived at the cost of the broader economy, whereas most societies in history were centralized command economies (from crete to rome to 1700's); including the manor/villa/palace economy which has never really changed in principle (i.e. it's applicable to anybody with a bit of sense).

>> No.21589205

>>21586318
The real scam is seeing the rich, western world increase its productivity over a hundred years and yet people still have to work 9-5.

>> No.21589218

>>21588740
What the hell are you talking about. Most (like 95 percent) of human history was spent in comfy hunter gatherer existence where you would search for food for a maximum of three/four hours a day.

>> No.21589434

>>21589218
OY VEY! THE GOYIM REMEMBER! SHUT IT DOWN!

>> No.21589672
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>>21589218
>>21588877
lol retards

>> No.21590918

>>21585924
>I made this video on YouTube sitting on my ass and complaining about this guy
>Because this guy just sits on his ass and complains
And no, I don't believe you made that video, you probably just posted some poor nobody and pretended to be him. I'm also not going to watch it.

>> No.21591045

Watch this bros..... this is what they fucking took from us.
https://youtu.be/xOnNWJ_GNwA

>> No.21591048

>>21589672
ah yes...the back-broken peasant. present for about....1% of human history.

>> No.21591128

>>21591045
you took it from yourself, that is: at some point along the line one of your ancestors thought it would be a good idea to sell their ancestral land and go to the city. That single stupid decision turned their subsequent decedents into helpless renters and job seekers, for many generations.

>>21591048
>>21589672
that pic is more like a backwards "capitalist" work ethic; even though the crops are healthy and are growing merrily and it'll just be another month or so before they need to be gathered in, a man is still wasting his day at the cost of his health to wander around and 'look busy'. It's a kind of neuroticism.

Why isn't he home with his feet up and enjoying a mug of hot alcohol?

>> No.21591146

>>21588740
>Thanks to capitalism, people have had to work less and less and in better working conditions like offices with a/c as opposed to toiling digging potatoes under the sun.
Don't google working conditions during the first industrial revolution bro

>> No.21591159

fisher doesnt understand that most of these problems with modern day capitalism are actually caused by state regulations. its the mass government bureaucracy that causes all this shit

>> No.21591163

>>21591159
hey retard did you know that the state protects the right of property as well?

>> No.21591167

>>21589218
>history
>hunter-gatherer
that's prehistory nigger

>> No.21591169

>>21591146
Rome wasn’t built in a day.

>> No.21591171

>>21591163
If people could only own what they themselves could defend life would be a lot better.

>> No.21591175
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21591175

> a kind of neuroticism
looks like there's some crossover with these threads,
>>21583371
>>21585847

>>21591159
>caused by state regulations
That's not entirely true; no regulation is what allowed the obviously bad business prctices to ester away and cause huge problems, whereas the governmental oversight is always playing catch-up rather than prevention, so it's always too ltitle too late, plus the government is more inclined to seek revenues under the pretense of regulation than to seek effective regulation - consider how if people stopped smoking cigarettes or no longer parked on double yellow lines or speeded that the governments would lose a massive large chunk of income that they derive from taxation and would begin to cut off the services that they provide to the public before they would cut off the government employees.

>>21591163
The rights of property? How can a property argue a case in a court of law? You sound like a deranged abolitionist; a hopeless utopianist o assigns human perception to static tools. You ought live subject to the whims of an rake or an hoe and see how well its judgment fares you, my boy.

>> No.21591223

>>21591175
> income that they derive from taxation
i mean: income that they derive from punitive sanctions under the false pretense of 'regulation'

that's not taxation, muh bad.

>> No.21591322

>>21591163
>the right of property
you crazed abolitionist, >>21591299

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21591744

>>21590918
Nice logic dude. Now you're sitting on your ass complaining about me sitting on my ass complaining about Mark Fisher sitting on his ass. And now I'm sitting on my ass complaining about you sitting on your ass complaining about me sitting on my ass complaining about Mark Fisher sitting on his ass, and if anyone complains about me, they better do it standing.

>>21591048
>Hunter gatherer
>Comfy
T. would starve to death trying this once

>>21591128
>Farming is actually one of the easiest things in the world
Ok. Here's a picture of a farmer
>that pic is more like a backwards "capitalist" work ethic;

>>21591146
The fact you had to go as far as the first industrial revolution means you agree we're in an upward trajectory

>> No.21591827

>>21585878
I work in one, work from home, don't have to make any calls, earn more than regular wagies just working 6 hours

>> No.21592554

>>21591744
>>Farming is actually one of the easiest things in the world
>Ok. Here's a picture of a farmer
>>that pic is more like a backwards "capitalist" work ethic;
I don't understand why you think posting pictures of chinese people is a response to observations about currency speculation (capitalism) being a harmful thing.

It's like you've got a polarized mentality where not having criminals periodically wrecking the economy in our countries via financial fraud (which you've conflated with all industry) that we would become (picture of chinese person with missing teeth).

>an upward trajectory
This would be said at any point in history to argue against improving anything, to shame the inclination to do better itself, which is obviously a contradiction in your all claims because it's a very anti enterprise kind of statement.

If you're happy to toil away for nothing, aimlessly, to accumulate credit tokens to buy basic food stuffs that you can produce yourself, then that's fine. But don't presume you're doing any better than those poor farmers that you're making fun of.

I'm reminded that some 95% of Americans have less than $500 in the bank and currency inflation and debasement has been steadily worse and worse over the last century, rendering your money to be of less and less use.

e.g. a house bought for $30,000 in 1970 being sold for $4,500,000 in 2020 isn't a profit when it's the consequence of currency debasement; bread costing $00.10 in 1970 and costing you guys $05.00 lol that's a currency debasement by .... 2,500% ... or something near that.

You'll have to do better to convince anyone why working constantly in that society to pay for a cost of living that is both bad and insanely overpriced makes sense vs. buying a goat.

>> No.21592680

>>21585847
Love the aesthetics of suicide. Have many videos of suicides saved. But I seriously can't take anyone who has commmited suicide seriously as a person or intellectually. It's just pathetic. I somewhat respect normal, lesser people who went through with it, if it's what they wanted emotionally, but if you are pretending to be something more, pretending to have an intellect, then you're just an embarrassment. Waste of time knowing anything you ever said. Glad you stopped pretending and deleted your existence I guess but then the act is just used to bring attention to your nothing words that should also cease to be. So no, you should stay alive and just stop speaking instead.

>> No.21592702

>>21592680
if you were going to be tortured horribly and spend the rest of your life in misery and humiliation, and if you decided to end it before it got like that, is that bad of you? If so, why?

also, what about mass shooters? one group who at least have the guts to take down their oppressors along with themselves. well mostly

>> No.21593255

>>21592554
I agree 100% with you on inflation. I'm a libertarian and think we should go back to the golf standard.

Capitalism and free trade has made abject poverty fall from over 80% in 1800 to under 20% in 2015. That's a fact. That translates to less suffering world wide. It hasn't fallen at the global rate in some countries. Communist countries like North Korea, and Venezuela still have people hunting pigeons because they are starving. The upward trajectory is not a given and it's closely correlated to the degree of free market capitalism applied.

Your bit about 95% of Americans is wrong. Look it up

I tried growing our own vegetables last summer. It was a pain in the ass, but we'll continue just for the fun of it. Bananas are less than a dollar. $1 gallon of milk is $3 something where I live. Eggs are $3 something.

The reason why your bleak diatribe fails is the same reason why communism didn't pick up in America: even the poor in America are rich. I'm very happy with my life. Food is cheap. I own everything I want and need: a house, a car, a squat rack, a DSLR camera, treadmill, library subscription, ping pong table, pizza oven. But more important than material things: I have plenty of time to spend with my family, go to church, call my parents. Life is good

>> No.21593636

>>21593255
>Capitalism and free trade has made abject poverty fall from over 80% in 1800 to under 20% in 2015. That's a fact.
ehhhhhhh it's really not a fact because you can't discern something like that in the first place; I could say tat people int he west are more poor than they've ever been and cite the great number of people who are landless, grievously indebted - not to mention the catastrophic debts incurred by the governments, and so on.

You can compare us to scorched earth nations and declare us 'better', but what does that matter? The wastefulness here is inexcusable and a consequence 'of' profligate/fraudulent capital in the first place:

i.e.
if I can withhold product and create scarcity I can drive up the monetary price for the product (inflation of its value) and make a profit in credit tokens, I do this at the expense of the economy, if I'm a capital-ist (i.e. stock market rabble) then that's how I do business (it's all i do at all) and this comes at the cost of possessing actual tangible production power because the profit of my product relies upon preventing the product to be produced in greater surplus as this would reduce the profit on the sale.

>even the poor in America are rich.
lol sure.. in the one country that doesn't even provide free healthcare.. you just don't know better, look at this,
>even the poor in America are rich. I'm very happy with my life. Food is cheap. I own everything I want and need: a house, a car, a squat rack, a DSLR camera, treadmill, library subscription, ping pong table, pizza oven. But more important than material things: I have plenty of time to spend with my family, go to church, call my parents. Life is good
>Your bit about 95% of Americans is wrong. Look it up

Abject nonsense. In your head things are fine perhaps but you're no better than the rest of your people; two or three paychecks or one mcdonalds induced gall stone away from living under a tarp. And even if you don'tthink veyr far into the future or consider the people around you, if you are the one local exception, you're still living surrounded by hundreds of thousands of people who are two or three paychecks away (or far less in reality) from robbing you due to starvation. It is not good.

>95%
It's probably worse at the moment, given the rising inflation on the currency. When I was more interested in arguing these kind of things, some years ago now, it was near 95% - in 2010 money.

>why communism didn't pick up in America
because Men like Roosevelt and Ford understood the implication of the last few lines of the second above paragraph and realized that it was in the long-term interest to not have a society of desperate people living hand-to-mouth, as anybody with any long-term thinking would conclude.

>> No.21593642

>>21593255
>I tried growing our own vegetables last summer.
well stick at it. I'm going to enjoy the day when I trade a bucket of goat milk to some scrawny man in thick glasses in exchange for a truck load of bitcoins, for nostalgia purposes.

>> No.21593669

He has a bad phenotype. Very academic, very leftie, very whiny.

>> No.21593733

>>21589218
Yeah, bossman gave them all the sustenance they needed after their allotted 3 hours of mammoth hunting

>> No.21593735

>>21585847
>>call centers are... LE BAD
I feel like there is some massive conflation going on with this post.

Who is this man and what was his argument exactly? And do call centers even exist in english speaking countries anymore? I haven't spoken with a telephone company or .. other business ... rep. who wasn't obviously an Indian (with a fake name like Bob or Steve) in my entire life.

>> No.21593742

>>21593636
>lol sure.. in the one country that doesn't even provide free healthcare.. you just don't know better, look at this,

Not him, but whether or not the poor are "rich" has no relation to the existence of "free" healthcare, i.e. non-sequitor. Might as well say nobody's rich because another country drinks more coffee.

>> No.21593749

>>21593636
>you can't discern something like that in the first place
Their definition of abject poverty is living below $2 a day. It's pretty easy to calculate adjusting for inflation and exchange rates. We have good records of both. You need to maybe get your head out of your ass. Or at least look it up. At the very minimum read the abstract of the study.

You should also read a book called Investing for Dummies. It'll teach you a lot about stock trading. Stock trading is great. Smart people do it. Dumb people rationalize as to why they won't do it. It's also a great way to provide capital to small, medium and large businesses who really want capital.

If your description of wilfully withholding goods to jack up the price is real. Can you name me one (1) good that is scarce in this country? Capitalism has proven time and time again that monopolies don't last. You'd be screwing yourself out of potential profit if you do it. It's called opportunity cost

America does provide free health care. It is illegal for hospitals to deny life saving services. We have a very socialized health care system already. Especially after Obama care. Medicare and Medicaid were expanded, and insurance companies were forced to cover a lot more shit. Democrats will never admit it, because they want to screw it up even more. effectively it's free. You can get treatment and then just get put in collections.

I am not an emergency away from bankruptcy. It's not hard in this country to save up money. You just need a college degree, wait till marriage to have kids, and don't have an addiction like drugs and you can save a lot of money.

It amazes me that after I mentioned you were way off on your 95% number, you doubled down. Now that's just being retarded

>> No.21593912

>>21593749
>$2
>You should also read a book called Investing for Dummies. It'll teach you a lot about stock trading. Stock trading is great.
ah so you're a stock market criminal eh? That explains your airheaded delusions in your earlier post about everybody being perfectly okay, you're in deep denial that your way of life is directly responsible for massive poverty and theft of tax payer funds.

My family, incidentally, was and is very much into this during the good old days, and my grandfather, who got quite rich doing it, taught me all about it and hates it.

>It amazes me that after I mentioned you were way off on your 95% number, you doubled down.
No. I cited said 95% twice, it amazes me that you don't realize that resorting to lies is a broadcast of your own self-conscious guilt over being brutally in the wrong about (well, most of) this.

>America does provide free health care.
lulz sure yankee doodle dumski, take another shot of your pain pills.

>if your description of wilfully withholding goods to jack up the price is real. Can you name me one (1)
I'd love to. Consider how fucking slow and costly it is to produce a single fighter jet or nuclear armed submarine, by relative standards of highest technology,the roman in their day possessed the logistic and production power to produce a fleet of 500 warships in less than 30 days. My own country, your grandfather, has take over eleven years to produce three single submarines.

I'm giving you a lot of room to pushback and argue for 'complex tech' I know I know, but my point here alone (without even mentioning colossal failures like infrastructure and energy, and inflation especially house prices, etc.) is how a debased currency and monopolization of key sectors produces lethargy and this translates only into stagnant production capacity. It's a fun example to compare the total production capacity of (at times) super-states to see how they fare up.

Do you think that the United States of America could produce 500 fighter jets or battle submarines in one month? (if they could it would create a lot of jobs and solve a lot of problems tho)

>insurance companies
> You can get treatment and then just get put in collections.
i forgot you guys have that shit to deal with as well, yeah, I can get any treatment I like for free and I don't have to pay anything ever. It's astounding that you don't understand that "put in collections" for someone with no money is going to make them homeless.

>I am not an emergency away from bankruptcy. It's not hard in this country to save up money. You just need a college degree,
A college degree? the fuck xd

I know people in their 60's still paying off those eight years or so when they got drunk and went to a place calling itself a university, they have nothing to show for it.

>democrats
yeah i know, it's all the fault of the team who wear the other colors and have the other silly animal as their logo.

i could go on

>> No.21593918

>>21593742
He claimed hat the poor are 'rich' (due to something or another great things america has), I pointed out that they don't even have free healthcare (and are objectively, then, far more poor than any other country that does).

I like to watch Carlson and that other guy once in a while myself but these kind of claims are just dumbshit. They're democrat tier apologisms.

>> No.21593922

> that other guy
Gutfeld. that's the other guy I was thinking of. Not Hannity. no no no

>> No.21593974

>>21591827
I'm who you responded to. It was a work from home job, and I still hated it. Your bedroom also being your workspace really screws up your brain. I would take naps during my lunch hour and have dreams where I am working.
>>21593735
>And do call centers even exist in english speaking countries anymore?
They still do, but they are mostly centered in Michigan and Texas. Most of the people you talk to will either be black, hispanic, or broken white people.

>> No.21593983

>>21593636
>Abject nonsense. In your head things are fine perhaps but you're no better than the rest of your people; two or three paychecks or one mcdonalds induced gall stone away from living under a tarp. And even if you don'tthink veyr far into the future or consider the people around you, if you are the one local exception, you're still living surrounded by hundreds of thousands of people who are two or three paychecks away (or far less in reality) from robbing you due to starvation. It is not good.
I'm not saying that capitalism is good but none of your critiques are even that anti-capitalist. A capitalist economy would alleviate these issues with a strong welfare state.

>> No.21594029

>>21589218
You are insane.

>> No.21594045

>>21588740
I too am a solipsist.

>> No.21594317

>>21585847
His name was Marked Phisher.
A homeless junkie choking on his own spit has more conviction in his own will, manifestation besides, than your pathetic greentext. Yes, he hangs himself like hanging up on the call center indian. But did you make that connection? No, your wire is fucking cut because the scammers kept calling you by your deadname.

>> No.21595425

>>21594029
Explain why.