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Why do people still read philosophers that have been debunked?

>> No.21579690

>>21579684
Faith of fools

>> No.21579710

>>21579684
>WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING ANON?!?
>P-PLEASE STOP
>DON'T READ PLATO
>DON'T START WITH THE GREEKS
>THEY'VE BEEN DEBUNKED! DEBUNKED! DEBUUUUUUUUNKED! PLEASE, PUT THE BOOK DOWN!
>PUT. THE. BOOK. DOWN.
>THINGS DON'T HAVE TO GO THIS WAY! YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THE CLASSICS! PLEASE, ANON, JUST- JUST TRUST ME, OKAY?
>THEY ARE DEBUNKED. THERE IS NOTHING OF VALUE THERE. NO! DON'T O- DON'T OPEN THE PAGE! ANON! THERE'S NOTHING WAITING FOR YOU THERE! PLEASE!
>THEY ARE DEBUNKED! D-DON'T YOU WANT ME TO, TO BUY YOU AN INTRODUCTION TO MODERN PHILOSOPHY INSTEAD?
>I-IF THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, IF YOU REALLY HAVE TO STUDY THE GREEKS, THEN SURELY AN ABRIDGED SUMMARY WILL-
>NO! PLEASE, ANON! STOP READING! THEY ARE DEBUNKED, PLEASE, LISTEN TO ME, DON'T- DON'T READ IT, DON'T THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S- IT'S POINTLESS, IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING TO GAIN!
>STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!
>NOOOOOOOOO, DON'T READ PLATONISM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AAAAAARGHHHHHH

>> No.21579757

>>21579710
Kek

>> No.21579770

>>21579710
Gigantically based

>> No.21579786

>>21579710
This, but unironically

>> No.21579790

Are there forms of forms in Platonism?

>> No.21579794

>>21579710
I fuckin love you guys

>> No.21579801

>>21579710
hahaha funny fella

>> No.21579822

>>21579684
Because even though they've been debunked, its still a source of knowledge to read them.

>> No.21579860

>>21579786
You unironically grovel before people who consider reading Plato's works?

>> No.21580688

>>21579684
never mind OP's stupid bait thread, asking the platobros here what is the best translation of the Republic in english

>> No.21580695

>>21579860
Kek

Anons who use "unironically" ironically forever btfo

>> No.21580705

>>21580688
Benjamin Jowett. Everything else includes "corrections" to "address harmful stereotypes and language."

>> No.21580713

>>21580705
That translation has been debunked

>> No.21580715

>>21580713
Agreed. When will chuds learn? If it's racist, if it's sexist, if it's homophobic, it's incorrect.

>> No.21580751

>>21579684
I don't trust other people, because other people are low iq. I read filosophers and then debunked them myself.

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21580767

I get all my philosophy from Sumerian texts.
>Gilgamesh, where are you hurrying to? You will never find that life for which you are looking. When the gods created man they allotted to him death, but life they retained in their own keeping. As for you, Gilgamesh, fill your belly with good things; day and night, night and day, dance and be merry, feast and rejoice. Let your clothes be fresh, bathe yourself in water, cherish the little child that holds your hand, and make your wife happy in your embrace; for this too is the lot of man.

>> No.21580870

>>21579710
Lmfao

>> No.21581064

>>21580715
No it’s not you faggot tranny. Go hang yourself

>> No.21581366

>>21580767
Sounds very epicurean actually

>> No.21581389

>>21579790
There is a form of forms, which is the Good.

>> No.21581435 [DELETED] 

>>21579684
You do understand neither Plato nor philosophy.

>> No.21581438

>>21579684
You understand neither Plato nor philosophy.

>> No.21581446

>>21579684
Plato was right tho.

>> No.21581555

>>21579710
Massive kek

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21581562

this nigga really thought the world worked like avatar the last air bender biggest fraud ever

>> No.21582223

>>21581064
The Jowett translation is outdated. Deal with it.
When Jowett translates a word as "catamite" it steals the history of non-hetero people around the world and relegates it to yet another white cisnormative bigotry. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF CATAMITE IS THE WORD PLATO WROTE. Catamite is NOT accurate with our current understanding of homosexuality. Do you really want to send a message to young people that even the Greeks thought there was something abnormal about homosexuality? This isn't just about being right or wrong, it's about just not being a piece of shit.
So what if we have to change a few words here and there? If Plato was alive now, he would have wrote it differently too.

>> No.21582227

>>21580767
>What are you saying Siduri?
>I am heartsick for my friend.
>What are you saying Siduri?
>I am heartsick for Enkidu

>> No.21582230

History is a dark forest anon, you need to know where you've already been if you want to avoid walking in circles.

>> No.21583123

I read everything I can get my hands on even if they're idiots or even if they've been debunked as you call it. The main reason is because not every part about them or their doctrines are crap. Just like everything and everyone, there's good and bad. You just need to filter out and keep the good while rejecting the bad.

Then there's the aspect where I have learned the right way about something by observing someone do wrong. It's like obtaining a positive from a negative.

>> No.21583147

>>21582223

Obviously this is bait but man, the fact that people exist who think like this is so infuriating. How have they gained even an ounce of influence anywhere?

>> No.21583679

>>21579684
I can't tell why but I enjoy hate reading him.

>> No.21583730

>>21579684
Philosophy has been debunked as literature

>> No.21583790

>>21583730
Kek.

>> No.21583814

>>21579710
This is not even funny, this sounds exactly like a transcript of an unfunny wojak comic. Is the average user here today 14?

>> No.21583832

I rebunked them.

>> No.21584419

>>21583814
Lighten up queer, life's hard when you're a downer!

>> No.21584686

>>21583814
>DON'T LAUGH, IT ISN'T FUNNY
>NOOOOOOOOO, DON'T LAUGH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AAAAAARGHHHHHH

>> No.21584760

>>21582223
>steals the history of non-hetero people around the world and relegates it to yet another white cisnormative bigotry
What the fuck you bigoted sack of tranny shit?! Did you just presume the position of white people on homosexuality? You bigoted evil chuddy fuck-pudding! How dare you proliferate your racism here!

(I don't actually give a shit, just pointing out your hypocricy.)

Stop equating dark skin with perversion. Black men don't like your anus-plunging ways any more than anyone else. The average black man would literally step up to box if a gay gets too friendly.

>Do you really want to send a message to young people that even the Greeks thought there was something abnormal about homosexuality?
Yes, of course I want that. That is what is best for society. The normalization of something which is obviously, logically abnormal is objectively bad for children - not to mention, gays are pedos.

>NOT accurate with OUR current understanding
Nonsense. YOUR. YOUR fiction of homosexuality. You and your perverse cabal of disease ridden rut-monkeys wish the narrative changed for your own interests. You don't give one flying you-know-what about modern understanding. You simply wish the narratives re-written in your favor.

>> No.21584778

>>21580767
How absolutely commonplace. The only thing which allows you to pretend this is special is the ancient quality of your source material.

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>>21579710
Hearty kek. Perceptive and topical intra board meta commentary. 4/5 star post; pretty good.

Topical

>> No.21584915

>>21579684
this guy looks like a chud

>> No.21586194

>>21579684
>"Platonism is wrong... because its wrong! OK!"
>"Platonic conceptualizations of reality are FASCIST anon, ARE YOU A NAZI?!"

>> No.21586215

>>21579684
pic unrelated but yeah, I don't know why people are still reading nietzsche either