Judging authors based on physiognomy

[Anonymous No.21573898]

in a letter to Bertrand Russell, DH Lawrence quoted a woman who had heard one of Russell's lectures:
>"It seemed so strange, with his face looking SO evil, to be talking about peace and love. He can't have meant what he said.

Is it really fair to judge an author's works based on their physical appearance and the characteristics of their face?

[Anonymous No.21573903]

no

[Anonymous No.21573906]

Yes

[Anonymous No.21573910]

>>21573898
In Russell's case, probably (that's a joke).

[Anonymous No.21573946]

>>21573898
>Is it really fair to judge an author's works based on their physical appearance and the characteristics of their face?
It's something everybody does and is an important survival skill: being able to judge if a stranger is a potential threat or harmless.

I don't think Russel looked evil at all, he looked like a dignified Victorian gentleman.

[Anonymous No.21573952]

>>21573898
I love women. For all their lack of intellectual depth, they can easily cut through the veil of appearance and see the truth right in front of them.

[Anonymous No.21573954]

>>21573898
>"It seemed so strange, with his face looking SO evil, to be talking about peace and love. He can't have meant what he said.

[Anonymous No.21573958]

>>21573898
yes unironically but more the feeling that u get reading the dialetic between people u can understand someone and their ideas and their works

[Anonymous No.21573964]

this guy wrote some of the most sensitive and sublime poetry of the last century

[Anonymous No.21573971]

>>21573952
>For all their lack of intellectual depth, they can easily cut through the veil of appearance and see the truth right in front of them.
Russell wasn't a violent man and women fall prey to dark triads all the time, I wouldn't call them good judges of male character

[Anonymous No.21573977]

>>21573898
That women was a shit judge. He's not attractive but kindness does show in features, and he looks kind. Same with
>>21573964
It's like that Shel Silvertstein poem about the crooked smile

[Anonymous No.21573992]

>>21573971
Russell was not a "dark triad", he was just a vain, egotistical, petty and resentful man. If he were a more genuine person, with some properly masculine vices like being occasionally prone to outbursts of violent rage, he would still have been a better person than he was.

[Anonymous No.21573998]

>>21573898
Yes, if you're ugly you're basically worthless in my eyes.

[Anonymous No.21574006]

>>21573964
Bukowski doesn't look evil or bigoted, he just looks washed up and downtrodden, and perhaps too cynical for his own good.

[Anonymous No.21574009]

>>21573952
This is something men used to tell women so they'd shut up.

[Anonymous No.21574013]

>>21573992
why does russell make chuds seethe so much? Is it just because he regularly got laid and was obviously happy, while also beung uneuivocally opposed to fascism and war?

[Anonymous No.21574017]

>>21574013
Because they had to read him once in an introduction to logic class and they hated it because it was 'like math' and they wanted to go back to just reading and regurgitating

[Anonymous No.21574019]

>>21574006
Bukowski WAS bigoted and if you ask me he looks like a mean spirited drunk, the type who probably beats his wife and kids

[Anonymous No.21574021]

>>21574006
my point is that he was fugly as satan's asshole yet expressed himself thru beauty of such a high degree as to sound angelic

[Anonymous No.21574022]

>>21573898
Furthermore, you should give each one a natal chart reading, in fact.

[Anonymous No.21574024]

>>21573898
Hmmmm

[Anonymous No.21574027]

>>21574017
retard take, I hate Russell because he's a stuck up pompous Brit who thinks he's smarter than everyone else (yes I'm aware 90% of famous Brits are like this)

his "math" would actually make any real mathematician cringe with how childish it is

[Anonymous No.21574033]

>>21574027
sounds like you're a bit insecure about British intellectuals

[Anonymous No.21574046]

>>21573898
It is certainly fair to judge people based on the shape of their face. Physiognomy is a legitimate science with broad applications. However, the person in your picrel does not have evil physiognomy at all

[Anonymous No.21574054]

ugly people have ugly souls, we've been through this

[Anonymous No.21574074]

Pasolini would like to have a few words

[Anonymous No.21574076]

>>21574027
>his "math" would actually make any real mathematician cringe
O! If only to find one!

[Anonymous No.21574087]

If you're attractive... Shut the fuck up!
look good =/= talk good

[Anonymous No.21574094]

>>21574074
pasolini looks like a faggot who fucks little boys...
oh wait!

[Anonymouṡ No.21574122]

>>21573898
Neural nets and AI in general are now getting pretty good at pattern-recognition. Much better than people, in fact.

On interesting side-effect: they're demonstrating that character and physiology are much more closely associated than liberal intellectuals have been pretending. Computers can look at pictures of faces and identify homosexuals, alcoholics, etc with much better accuracy than they could if the world was as we're told it is.

I tend to believe that woman. Russell was a nasty piece of work and she probably saw that.

[Anonymous No.21574131]

>>21573898
>Russell: bad habit attempting to fuck his friends' wives
A simian philitrum usually is FAS and such

[Anonymous No.21574203]

>>21573898
>His physical appearance in 1839 was described by the painter Friedrich Pecht: strikingly elegant, indeed aristocratic in his appearance, despite his somewhat short legs, and with such a strikingly beautiful woman on his arm (his wife Minna] that she alone would have sufficed to make the couple interesting, if Wagner himself had not had such an arresting head that one’s attention was involuntarily fixed upon him.

>Meeting him a few years later (1843), the author Eliza Wille described him thus: It had remained a fleeting encounter […]. But Wagner’s features had impressed themselves on my mind: his elegant, supple figure, the head with the mighty brow, the acute eye and the energetic lines around his small and tightly closed mouth. A painter who was sitting next to me drew my attention to his straight, protruding chin, which seemed to be carved out of stone, giving the face a special character.

>Gautier remembered being fixed for a full, silent minute by the soul-scoping intensity of his gaze. In letters home, Villiers described the “fabulous being” in terms suitable for the cruel angels and crazed scientists of his stories: “Something like immortality made visible, the other world rendered transparent, creative power pushed to a fantastic point, and, with that, the sweat and the shining of genius, the impression of the infinite around his head and in the naïve profundity of his eyes. He is terrifying.”

>Cosima states: I Reflect how R.’s nature consists, like his works, of a mixture of great strength and delicacy; his mouth, ears, skin are as fine and delicate as a woman's, his bone structure sturdy, even gnarled.

[Anonymous No.21574252]

>>21574074
>Pasolini
Italian commies of the 50-s are the cringiest retards I've ever seen.
20 years of car bombings and fucking shit up to achieve literally nothing.

[Anonymous No.21574365]

>>21573898
Yes.

[Anonymous No.21574367]

Tolstoy looks as good as his writings

[Anonymous No.21574371]

>>21574203
>dead people simping
>meaningful
No, I don't think it is.

[Anonymous No.21574372]

>>21573898
Seems that only women care about that

[Anonymous No.21574373]

>>21574074
F A G G O T! F A G G O T S P O T T E D!
Truly, this man is descended from ancient boy-fuckers.

[Anonymous No.21574376]

>>21574024
Hegel was fucking handsome

[Anonymous No.21574469]

>>21574094
>>21574252
>>21574373

[Anonymous No.21574969]

>>21573898
Russel was one in a long line of smart people whose will for cummies clouded their judgement.

[Anonymous No.21575051]

>>21573946
photos can lie, maybe in real life when you saw him talking and moving he looked really evil. sometimes it's the face but the facial movements and body language and gait.

[Anonymous No.21575068]

>>21573898
>Find out Russel was the son of a cuckold
>And a cuckold himself
>Instantly lose 90% of my interest in reading him
Imagine as well receiving a letter so devastating you nearly kill yourself out of shame
>"I was inclined to believe that he had some insight denied to me, and when he said that my pacifism was rooted in blood-lust I supposed he must be right. For twenty-four hours I thought that I was not fit to live and contemplated suicide"

[Anonymous No.21575073]

>>21574367
>Just you.....
>and I....
>Just you....
>and I....
>Together....
>Forever.....
>In love.....

[Anonymous No.21575316]

>>21573898
Yes. However, I would discount the very young and very old. It takes time for experience and temperament to take effect on the body, and all elderly people end up looking like shriveled goblins eventually. But people aged 25-55 or so are fair game.

Also, "good" and "evil" are imaginary categories, so they cannot be read in faces. More concrete descriptions of temperament can be. Resentment, loneliness, naivete, lust, optimism, cynicism, generosity, etc.
Look at Bataille, the coomer eyes are unmistakeable.
>>21573964
Bukowski is the perfect example of how physical appearance and character reinforce each other. He became a social outcast largely because of the horrible case of acne/boils which fucked up his face early on (described in Ham on Rye and his poem "The Boil"). Isolation then became a basic fact of his character, which further affected his appearance.

[Anonymous No.21575336]

>>21574469
I will never forget someone on /lit/ saying “Updike’s face looks like it’s reflected on the back of a spoon.”

For all that, he’s still one of the best American novelists and prose stylists of the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.21575365]

>>21575316
>Look at Bataille, the coomer eyes are unmistakeable.
i want to bring him to the present day in a time machine and show him internet porn. hed be so happy

[Anonymous No.21575673]

>>21574203
why you use a pic of him when he was an old ass nigga? it's like doing the same to Schopenhauer.

[Anonymous No.21575677]

>>21574367
No, Tolstoy looks like an ancestor of Boy Sminem.

[Anonymous No.21575687]

>>21575068
>Imagine as well receiving a letter so devastating you nearly kill yourself out of shame
that's literally karma in his case

[Anonymous No.21575953]

>>21575673

[Anonymous No.21575962]

>>21573898
you can recognise atheists by how their face looks like (it's not flattering)

[Anonymous No.21576066]

>>21575953
This ugly fuck really had all that written about him? I don't care how much of a genius he was. Germans are insane.

[Anonymous No.21576162]

>>21576066
Cope.

[Anonymous No.21576172]

>>21573952
Except women are terrible judging men though which is why often they get stuck in abusive relationships

[Anonymous No.21576180]

>>21575953
look at this neckbeard lmao

[Anonymous No.21576216]

>>21575953
bro ass got a megamind and sundial nose, with some marble ass eyes and a whole ass Nero neckbeard

Iunno what this say about him but nigga look a lil goofy ya feel

[Anonymous No.21576283]

>>21573898
His turtle-like physiognomy makes him look truly alien. Inhuman. Reminds me of what Kyle Odom said about the body snatcher martians among us and the peculiar fearures they share.

[Anonymous No.21576363]

>>21574367
someone photoshop him with one of those black dude box haircuts

[Anonymous No.21576464]

>>21574027
But he was smarter than most people, even if he was generally wrong.

[Anonymous No.21576484]

>>21575336
That's a perfect description, and it's hilarious. Whoever wrote that has a knack for similes.

[Anonymous No.21576486]

>>21575677
lol'd

[Anonymous No.21576492]

>>21575953
Man, I wish I was alive back then. Beauty standards were so low I would have been considered a 10/10, which is a 5/10 at best today.

[Anonymous No.21576724]

>>21573898
He has no philtrum. Very bad. Do nit trust.

[Anonymous No.21577426]

>>21575953
>cultivaed neckbeard
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.21578281]

>>21573898
>Is it really fair to judge an author's works based on their physical appearance and the characteristics of their face?
No, what even gave you that idea in the first place? Don't judge a person on how they look.

[Anonymous No.21578302]

"le phisiognome XDD" has to be worst meme produced by the nu-internet

[Anonymous No.21578313]

>>21573898
Yes, facial expressions betray the speaker's mood and emotional response to their own words, and women are very good at correctly identifying it:
https://twitter.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/1618335725665259521

[Anonymous No.21579156]

[Anonymous No.21579209]

>>21574054
What about Socrates?

[Anonymous No.21579763]

>>21573898
Physiognomy is absolutely real and individuals only deny it because they themselves have very bad sense. I can tell 90% of someone's personality as soon as I look at them, and the remaining 10% as soon as they open their mouth. That being said, I don't really agree that Russell looks evil. He looks more bureaucratic and a little self-important.

>>21573964
>this guy wrote some of the most sensitive and sublime
He also wrote some incredibly apocalyptic, misanthropic and despairing poetry (much like Marx)

[Anonymous No.21579785]

>>21573992
Behind the veneer of a meek dignified gentleman you can see there's some sliver of rage and power lust boiling still. He doesn't repress it or turn it against himself. Instead he transforms it to pettiness

[Anonymous No.21579797]

>>21579209
>What about Socrates?
Someone who isn't conventionally attractive can still be pleasant to look at if they think pure and delicate thoughts. If you saw Socrates in the flesh he would probably come across as quick-witted, playful and fundamentally good-natured.

[Anonymous No.21579802]

>>21578302
sincerely, a hideous retard

[Anonymous No.21579935]

>>21573898
Yes, if they are jewish.