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[Anonymous No.21568756]

I find Hinduism infinitely more interesting than Abrahamism and I've only barely scratched the surface. Those ancient aryans were on to something

[Anonymous No.21568763]

>>21568756
I agree with you OP, but I'd still like to hear why you find it more interesting.

[Anonymous No.21568764]

>>21568756
Kena, Katha, Isha, and Chandogya upanishads are all you need

[Anonymous No.21568788]

>>21568764
I'm interested in Vedanta. Where do I start?

[Anonymous No.21568795]

>>21568763
I like the heavy focus on philosophy, rather than theology. I feel like Abrahamic religion uses philosophy ad hoc to prove its theology whereas Hinduism does the exact opposite. I'm still very new to this, but these are my thoughts

[Anonymous No.21568829]

>>21568788
>I'm interested in Vedanta. Where do I start?
Pic related is the guide to studying the original source texts of Advaita Vedanta

For Vishishtadvaita Vedanta a guide would probably be something like:

1) The Face of Truth - Lipner (or an equivalent secondary source providing an overview of Vishishtadvaita)
2) Upanishad commentaries - Ranga Ramanuja Muni (optional)
3) Bhagavad Gita commentary - Ramanuja
4) Vedartha Sangraha - Ramanuja
5) Vedanta Sutras commentary - Ramanuja

[Anonymous No.21568854]

>>21568795
The actual difference between Abrahamic religions and Hinduism is dogmatism. The idea of "freedom of religion" would never have occurred in a Hindu culture because it is the norm and has been for millennia. Proselytization is an utterly foreign concept for Hindus. This allows religion to form its natural function as local tradition and ritual. It allows you to recognize that the gods are not dependent on what names you call them by. They are metaphysical, psycho-spiritual beings and forces that exist for all people under any name and any manifestation. You are wrong that it focuses on philosophy more than religion, that is just how it is presented to you. The upanishads are supposed to be what comes after the rest of the Vedas, which are mostly rituals and hymns to the gods. They are the GOAL of the vedas, not the foundation.

[Anonymous No.21568863]

>>21568795
>I like the heavy focus on philosophy, rather than theology.
In ancient times there was no difference between the two, if you read Plato it's made perfectly obvious that philosophy is itself a form of theology.

[Anonymous No.21568864]

>>21568788
I think watching lectures should be seriously considered for anyone interested in Vedanta. This was originally how they passed down information onto disciples, through the spoken word. Yes, books are important and should be read, but if you're able to find a Swami that goes through the book slowly, you'll get so much more out of it than if you were to read it by yourself.
My two favorite Swami's are Swami Sarvapriyananda and Swami Tadatmananda. They both run their ashram's youtube channel and produce many great lectures. Swami Tadatmananda has recently past his 100th lesson going through the Bhavagad-Gita 4-5 verses at a time.

[Anonymous No.21568877]

>>21568756
This is not related to literature.

[Anonymous No.21568879]

>>21568877
this is a philosophy board

[Anonymous No.21568886]

>>21568863
>if you read Plato it's made perfectly obvious that philosophy is itself a form of theology.
Then that's what I like about it. What went wrong along the way and why?

[Anonymous No.21568902]

>>21568886
The lack of contact between the collapsed western Roman empire and the eastern Roman empire + your ignorance of western theology. Theology was what the best students would study, and philosophy mostly referred to what they learned in their introductory textbooks (these were literally just the complete works of Aristotle).

[Anonymous No.21568908]

>>21568864
Just to give you a background on myself (OP). I used to be a believer in Christ before I turned away from Abrahamic religion after reading Schopenhauer and contemplating on the problem of suffering. I have great admiration for Schopenhauer and I think it's very fascinating how Vedanta tradition came to the same conclusion of Arthur thousands of years prior to him being born and even he acknowledged this.

Another aspect I like about Vedanta is its roots. As an Indo-European I feel a certain connection to these ancient traditions that, to think this or a close form of this is what my ancestors believed many many years ago. Greek mythology helped turning me away from Christianity too but I feel it lacks the philosophical rigor and theological basis that Hinduism has retained still to this day but I ultimately see all Indo-European traditions as pointing towards the same outcome.

[Anonymous No.21568923]

>>21568908
>As an Indo-European
>Greek "mythology" lacks the philosophical rigor
>Schopenhauer

[Anonymous No.21569141]

>>21568908
Holy LARP

[Anonymous No.21569145]

>>21568829
Advaita is shit. Study Dvaita instead.

[Anonymous No.21569172]

>>21569145

> I'm an avatar of the wind-God Vayu
> I also authored the Sruti and Mahabharata myself
> Also, here are dozens and dozens of quotations from purportedly """"Sruti""" texts show my philosophy is true and that confirm I am an avatar, just trust me that they are real even though nobody has ever seen them before or referenced these passages in any prior piece of writing in any Indian language... I wouldn't make them up!

was it autism?

[Anonymous No.21569202]

I’m the complete opposite OP. I find the jeets incredibly boring, and watching a dirty brown guy kneel in front of a cow doesn’t give me much hope that this is what God looks like.

[Anonymous No.21569214]

another "muh indo-european" heritage larp thread

real theology is real metaphysics and vice-versa. this "theology vs philosophy" dichotomy is entirely modern

[Anonymous No.21569218]

Hinduism is a religion so backwards that India was one of a handful of places which improved thanks to the arrival of Islam

[Anonymous No.21569235]

>>21569218
Thankfully, India no longer suffers from a lack of 70-IQ retards produced from repeated 1st cousin marriage

[Anonymous No.21569240]

>>21568886
>What went wrong along the way and why?
your ignorance
there's a deep intellectual tradition that you're apparently oblivious to

[Anonymous No.21569282]

>>21569214
It isn't a LARP, experts notice the similarities between Hinduism and pre-Christian European religions, they are "sister religions".

[Anonymous No.21569315]

>>21569240
That tradition receded into the foreground in the west in a way that it never did in India. The mainstream or more influential intellectual trends and movements in the west have been moving away from Neoplatonism, Scholasticism etc for many centuries now.

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY/Ar.iI No.21569365]

>>21568756

>I find Hinduism infinitely more interesting than Abrahamism[...]

WHAT IS «ABRAHAMISM»?


>Those ancient aryans were on to something[.]

HINDUISM IS A VEDIC CULT; THE VEDICS WERE TURANIAN, NOT ARYAN; TURANIANS INVADED ARYAN INDIA, AND APPROPRIATED THE SWASTIKA FOR THEIR SAVAGE RITUALISM.

[Anonymous No.21569526]

>>21568756
That’s because you barely scratched the surface of Christianity and think the infantilized version you were taught is the right one. Most eastern religions are life denying, which make them shit tier, by the way.

[Anonymous No.21569543]

>>21568756
>I find Hinduism infinitely more interesting than Abrahamism
Because you're an impressionable retard easily impressed by the exotic. Your understanding of hinduism cones from LARPing fetishists. You want to appear cultured while you venerate a bunch of shit-worshipping subhumans. Also what he said:
>>21569526

[Anonymous No.21569586]

>>21569526
>Most eastern religions are life denying, which make them shit tier

[Anonymous No.21569599]

>>21569214
>another "muh indo-european" heritage larp thread
How is it larp though when the vedas was brought to india by the aryans? you know what's larp? evangelics pretending to worship a jewish god and talking about muh israel

[Anonymous No.21569603]

>>21569218
hows pakistan these days?

[Anonymous No.21569605]

YUM YUM SIRS DRINK THE PHILOSOPHY JUICE!

[Anonymous No.21569606]

>>21569543
what does this have to do with the vedas though? you want me to pull up tranny priests and call it christian?

[Anonymous No.21569616]

>>21569606
The difference is Christian philosophy, theology and scripture all specifically condemn homosexuality. Pajeet mystics think toilet witches are evil.

[Anonymous No.21569620]

>>21568854
Pajeets will fight each other for praying to the wrong cow statue.

[Anonymous No.21569625]

OH LAAWWWD YESHUA SAVE US

[Anonymous No.21569639]

>>21569616
I don't care what fucking pajaeets do. Unless they're high caste they are not even worthy of the Vedas. I'm only interested in the Vedic texts and insofar as it relates to Indo-European traditions

good thing Hinduism is not dogmatic, I can practice my spirituality my own way

[Anonymous No.21569657]

>>21569625
VERY GOOD SIR PUT PENIS IN STREET SHITTER

[Anonymous No.21569667]

>>21569657
pajeets have nothing to do with Vedas.

[Anonymous No.21569676]

>>21569667
Then who exactly is keeping this "vedic tradition" alive?

[Anonymous No.21569682]

>>21569616
>The difference is Christian philosophy, theology and scripture all specifically condemn homosexuality. Pajeet mystics think toilet witches are evil.
No, they don't. That's an outdated meme based on one (1) online article from years ago which was anecdotal anyway.

[Anonymous No.21569683]

>>21569682
t. Toilet witch

[Anonymous No.21569685]

>>21569676
"Abrahamists". The Vedic religion was strictly monothiest and the "Hindus" digressed into idol worship.

[Anonymous No.21569688]

>>21569676
Pajeets are appropriating and committing a divine crime by "keeping the tradition alive". It is punishable by death for a pajeets to even hear a single line of the Vedas, but I digress. I do not know what a pajeet is doing in India has to do with me reading the Vedas in Europe.

[Anonymous No.21569694]

>>21569685
>The Vedic religion was strictly monothiest and the "Hindus" digressed into idol worship.
How so? The later philosophical and theological schools of Hinduism basically all say that Brahman is the Supreme God and that every other diety is more like an angelic being that is contingent on Brahman, later philosophical Hinduism is more explicitly monotheist than the Rig-Veda for example, where there are only a few passages that explicitly suggest that there being one supreme God above all; this is made MORE explicit in later Hinduism and not less

[Anonymous No.21569698]

>>21569685
Also this. From my limited understanding, Brahmin (God) is One but the gods of Hinduism are merely different sides, aspects or whatever philosophical terminology they use. This reminds me of the Trinity even. Just look at how Muslims attack Christians for "polytheism"

[Anonymous No.21569701]

>>21569688
>It is punishable by death for a pajeets to even hear a single line of the Vedas,
That rule doesn't come from the Vedas itself but it comes from later texts that were written by pajeets (ie manusmriti and other dharmasastras). If you view all additions by pajeets as illegitimate then that rule itself is illegitimate.

[Anonymous No.21569707]

>>21569694
>>21569698
>dude no it's actually le neoplatonic system
Is this true or just another pajeet trick?

[Anonymous No.21569709]

>>21569701
Why would Pajeets themselves impose such rules on themselves? I thought the Caste system was wholly devised by the Aryans to keep their race pure from pajeet admixture.

[Anonymous No.21569716]

>>21569707
>neoplatonic system
Yes. All Indo-European traditions are the same under the hood pronouncing the one divine Truth about Reality.

[Anonymous No.21569717]

>>21569694
yet the vedic texts themselves make fun of those who are "sheep to the gods" and make sacrifices. Literally describing what the Hindus turned Vedic texts into. Only the Lord is worthy of worship etc. The early texts are full of phrases like this. Just because all things are lesser forms of the Lord doesn't mean you should worship anything but the Lord. The Vedic religion believed this wholeheartedly.

>>21569698
Indeed. I don't think it's a coincidence that the examples given in the early parts of the Torah for idol worship is a golden calf and that's literally what Hindus worship. The Torah almost reads like a pissed off Vedic dude was writing it.

[Anonymous No.21569719]

>>21569717
>The Torah almost reads like a pissed off Vedic dude was writing it.
I see the Vedas as the last standing antidote against the Yahweh worshipping cult.

[Anonymous No.21569723]

>>21569719
Is it a coincidence that the one thing Torah worshippers are scared of the most is the symbol of the Swastika?

[Anonymous No.21569734]

>>21568756
You're going down a fruitless path. At best, you'll come out after wasting a lot of time. The worse scenarios are all very dangerous. Repent, seek Christ. Study other religions only for historicity and cultural understanding - if at all. Trust me, you'll be glad you listened.

[Anonymous No.21569736]

>>21569719
how so?

>>21569723
fuck off poltard

[Anonymous No.21569745]

>>21569719
It's the Lord. "Yahweh" is not the name of any god worshipped. YHWH is an acronym

[Anonymous No.21569750]

>>21569717
You seem knowledgeable. You know John David Ebert? He talked about Spenglers commentary on Hinduism and said that after the Aryans brought the Vedas (post-vedas era of India) Hindus introduced foreign practices into the Vedic religion that were not mentioned in the Vedas at all and today Hinduism is basically an amalgamation of Vedic tradition and Hindu (Dravidian) tradition.

Do you know which practices he meant?

[Anonymous No.21569758]

>>21569707
>Is this true or just another pajeet trick?
Basically 99% of Hinduism and all major types of Hindu theology all accept that there is just one supreme God on whom everything is contingent, anyone who knows the least thing about Hindu philosophy could tell you this.
>>21569709
>Why would Pajeets themselves impose such rules on themselves?
The dharmas-sastras say that all twice-born (which includes millions of pajeets) are able to study the Vedas. They don't state the reason for every caste rule. Some people think rules like those maybe were added to help prevent foreigners from claiming to be Vedic experts and thereby engaging in subversion. In a practical way it also makes sense that laborers should be directed to stay in their lane instead of being less productive by engaging in other matters which they might not have the training or aptitude for.
>I thought the Caste system was wholly devised by the Aryans to keep their race pure from pajeet admixture.
This is a meme-tier misunderstanding repeated by brainlets who maybe read Evola once and never engage with the primary texts. In the dharmasastras that establish the rule of castes they actually give the lower castes many advantages that the upper ones don't have, in particular the punishment for breaking a law gets worse and worse the higher up in the caste that the criminal is.

[Anonymous No.21569761]

>>21569736
>how so?
It is the only Indo-European tradition standing fully intact after Jews, Christian and Muslims erased most of European pre-christian traditions.

[Anonymous No.21569769]

>>21569736
>muh pol
Idiot detected

[Anonymous No.21569775]

>>21569750
Likely you're referring to them bringing their gods and painting them as equally worthy of worship as part of the Brahman. Along with this came sacrifices (of humans in ancient times.). There's a series about this "Dravidian Gods in Modern Hinduism"

[Anonymous No.21569778]

>>21569775
>"Dravidian Gods in Modern Hinduism"
Interesting, thank you. Is the practice of Yoga and Meditation mentioned in the Vedas or is that also a product of Dravidian addition?

[Anonymous No.21569780]

>>21569775
To add, this evolved into the ever complex system of Idols/Avatars/etc to justify worshipping and sacrificing to their own gods instead of that of the Aryans.

[Anonymous No.21569783]

>>21569586
u mad

[Anonymous No.21569786]

>>21569778
Both Yoga and Meditation are mentioned as ancient practices even in the earliest of texts.

[Anonymous No.21569795]

>>21569786
if you strip out all of the last few thousand years worth of idolatries and sacrifices you end up with something akin to a panthiest/animist take on monothiesm with worship being meditation based (yoga being a form of body meditation.). Pretty comfy religion.

[Anonymous No.21569804]

>>21569717
>yet the vedic texts themselves make fun of those who are "sheep to the gods" and make sacrifices. Literally describing what the Hindus turned Vedic texts into.
That's basically backwards

1) The Vedas promote Vedic sacrifices/ritual as being good things which can generate positive results
2) In the midst of doing this, the Vedas talk about many deities AND mention one supreme God, but the latter idea is less common
3) the last portion of the Vedas, ie the Upanishads, gets more explicit about metaphysics and clarifies that while Vedic rituals can produce positive results they cannot generate moksha (liberation) or union with God, they also get more explicit about there being one supreme God
4) Hinduism has gotten less concerned with Vedic rituals/sacrifices as time went on and not more as you wrongly suggested

[Anonymous No.21569815]

>>21569804
>induism has gotten less concerned with Vedic rituals/sacrifices as time went on and not more as you wrongly suggested
sure in the modern day. We're comparing the original vedic religion to the Hinduism that came after it.

[Anonymous No.21569839]

>>21569815
>We're comparing the original vedic religion to the Hinduism that came after it.
The only sources we have on the early Vedic religion is the Vedas themselves, which are more focused on sacrifices/rituals in the chronologically earlier portion of the Vedic text, and less focused on sacrifices/rituals in the chronologically later portion of the Vedas (the Upanishads). This does not align with the thesis that the original Vedic religion had no place for sacrifice/ritual or that a concern with sacrifice/ritual was a foreign imposition on Vedic religion.

[Anonymous No.21569873]

Adityas Mitra Jesus

Jesus is a Hindu

[Anonymous No.21570060]

>>21568756
>I find Hinduism infinitely more interesting than Abrahamism and I've only barely scratched the surface. Those ancient aryans were on to something