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>everybody is still in awe 2,500 years later of the colossal contributions greeks made to philosophy
>yet what we know of greek philosophy today is just a fraction of everything they had
my god...

>> No.21540676

>>21540670
I'd say it's also obvious that what we have now is just a fraction of all of true Greek philosophy. We're currently in a 2000 year dark age.

>> No.21540679

so true

>> No.21540779

>>21540670
yeah well they couldn't have known that much because they never developed advanced tech like we did

>> No.21540834

>you will never read their treatises about sculpture aesthetics
<their sculptures were so good because it was the one thing they didnt de-philosophize
t. burckhardt

>> No.21540843

They couldn't possibly have pulled all that brilliance out of their asses. The same way we have been riding on their coattails without being too obvious about it, I'm sure they had a more ancient source of inspiration. Right?

>> No.21540882

>>21540670
I’d like to think that the Iliad and Odyssey being the only books saved from the Epic Cycle were because they were the best books by historical consensus, same with a lot of plays. For the philosophy and history that were lost though I’m truly despondent, if Aristotle’s dialogues were so much better than what were basically his lecture notes and not a single one was saved it really is too terrible a state of things to contemplate for too long to remain of sound mind

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>>21540670
>tfw their worst works are what survived and the aliens destroyed the actual solutions to our philosophical inquiries

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21540909

less is more

>> No.21541121

>>21540882
just because its popular doesnt mean its good

>> No.21541127

>>21540670
Bro...

>> No.21541305

>>21540670
Philosophybros... It's over.
>>21540843
They were heavily influenced by Egypt and the East, but they perfected the previous systems so much as to build philosophical monoliths. The greeks stand on their own.

>> No.21541343

>>21540779
Weak, boring, unoriginal bait

>> No.21541866

>>21541343
It was baity but also kind of true. How much insight into the world could they realistically have had, given we are so advanced now?

>> No.21541896

>>21541866
Empirical investigation takes time and that's all there is to it. That's not remotely true.

The civilizational cycle, simplified:
1. Have peace and quiet
2. Analyze world and create new theories
3. Synthesize theories into inventions to analyze the world on a deeper scale
4. Repeat 2-3 until someone inevitably creates better weapons technology
5. "Hey, those people have weaker weapons then us, let's conquer them"
6. Win before your opponents can match your technology or continue to develop better weapons
7. Repeat 5-6 until there is no one left to possibly conquer
8. Have peace and quiet

>> No.21541960

>>21540670
If something was important, it would have been able to stick around and not get forgotten. We got all the good stuff

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>>21540670
>someone actually hand crafted the antikythera mechanism 3k years ago
we got a new batch of zoomie engy interns last week, mfkers can't even solve the bernoulli equation for beam bending
it's beyond over for our industrially weakend asses

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>>21540670
Want more rabbit holes?
google The Cultural Revolution in China
google The Library of Alexandria
google Lost art since World War II
...

>> No.21542278

>>21540670
yet nobody figured out that if you put metal rods through a brick it makes reinforced concrete

>> No.21542307

>>21541866
They discovered atoms thousands of years before the technology was created to observe them

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>>21542278
because they needed something with more than 50 years of durability

>> No.21542343

>>21542333
It looks fine to me, it's still standing and if it wasn't abandoned it would have aged just fine.

>> No.21542353

>>21542333
>Romans build the largest free standing nonreinforced concrete dome in history
>refuse to elaborate
>leave
>modern engineers don't even know where to begin to build something comparable

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>>21542307
Except their definition of atoms is retarted, and every sane Greek rejected it. We named little particles atoms as a tribute, but we know they can be divided.

>> No.21542366

>>21542356
Tomato, tomato

>> No.21542369

>>21542307
They did not. It was just a similar sounding idea